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Hi,
I am currently using a Samsung F480 and I really have to say the difference in the touch screen experience is very much noticeable compared to my HTC Wizard (I'd probably call it Apple-esque - even though I never actually used their phone), however at the very same time I also have to admit that I am really missing the possibilities Windows Mobile offers.
So when I first read about the Touch HD it seemed it would unify all those. Well, meanwhile I found out that the touch screen technology basically remained the same so I'd really be interested to hear how you would actually rate it? Does one still have to press/push the screen or does a simply touch do it as well?
Apart from the touch screen topic I am also a bit uncertain after reading threads like this and in particular vangrieg's posting. How would you rate the overall performance?
Basically what I would be looking for would be a compact phone with a good display, easily extensible (Windows Mobile) and a nice touch screen experience (Apple) ....
i have it for a week now and i am very satisfied with it. Not one program crashed and no reboot so far. Internet browsing is fast and really usable. For the first time ever i really like to surf the net while commuting on the subway. GPS with TomTom7 is great - i locks in seconds even when in downtown surrounded by skyscrapers.
regarding the touchscreen, i find that i have to press really hard to get a reaction. at first i even was reluctant to press so hard because i thought i would break it with the stylus. but now i am glad that it does not react to simple touching because i usually carry it in the pocket of my trousers and touch the display when handling it and it should not react to simple touching in my view - and it does not.
Thanks kkrammer, so you havent noticed respectively cant confirm the lag mentioned by donbronzi and jon- in the indicated thread. I am asking in particular because vangrieg stated the used Qualcomm processor shouldnt be the fastest.
As to the touch screen, this is certainly a subjective matter but personally I really like Samsung's way to respond even to a very very light touch without having to actually press it. So you would say one actually has to press it, a light touch doesnt do it?
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After owning a Touch Diamond, I feel that the screen is much more responsive. I dont have to press hard at all. I really like it so far. Yes it is a bit bigger and heavier, its still thin. All my programs are working great.
Thanks wfhowell, actually I just went to a store and expectedly they didnt have an HD yet, however there was the Diamond and considering my touch tests I slowly begin to understand the Apple fanboys. Coming from the Samsung F480 I was almost unable to use it. So how much would you say was the HD improved in this area?
Maybe someone who used Apple's, the F480 and the HD could outline where he/she would see the differences.
hi drzoid
i know what you mean about the screen but thats the difference between the two different screen technologies. if you want the ability to use a stylus the phone can only detect it if you push. iphones can measure the current through your finger with a lot less screen pressure.
that said i use rhe advanced configuration tool from the diamond forum to make the screen more sensitive. not as nice as iphone but close
Its the best phone till today... awesome tough still not perfect..
Unless you still think that a phone requires a QWERTY keyboard (I haven't missed on yet on this awesome phon) I'd run to my local dealer
Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
marcel808 said:
hi drzoid
i know what you mean about the screen but thats the difference between the two different screen technologies. if you want the ability to use a stylus the phone can only detect it if you push. iphones can measure the current through your finger with a lot less screen pressure.
that said i use rhe advanced configuration tool from the diamond forum to make the screen more sensitive. not as nice as iphone but close
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Thanks Marcel, I know Apple's touch screen as well as - probably - the F480's measure via the skin but nonetheless I was "shocked" today when I saw what touching means in terms of the Diamond.
How "close" would you say is the sensitivity you mentioned?
Can someone who has experience with the Wizard and the HD tell if there is an actual difference in the sensitivity.
I'd love to get an HD - even if its price is currently almost prohibitive - but I am not sure whether I'd really like to go back.
mwatson said:
Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
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its not worth the upgrade in my opinion.
I found you have to push a fair bit harder with the stylus on the screen than with your finger. If you use your finger it responds to a very light touch in comparism and is very responsive.
Thanks, for a real-world example, how hard would one have to press to slide the tabbar on the home screen left and right. Would just placing the finger without actual pressure be enough?
hi drzoid
how sensitive is the screen on mine...not sure how best to answer.
On an iphone I hardly have to touch the screen. As soon as the skin touches, thats enough.
With the HD, if I press the screen, I have to push until the top of my finger squashes by 1mm. Does that makes sense??!
So try pushing on a hard surface so 1mm of your finger squashes...and thats an HD
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On an iphone I hardly have to touch the screen. As soon as the skin touches, thats enough.
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Just like with the F480.
marcel808 said:
With the HD, if I press the screen, I have to push until the top of my finger squashes by 1mm. Does that makes sense??!
So try pushing on a hard surface so 1mm of your finger squashes...and thats an HD
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Thank you Marcel, perfect explanation, even though I am not sure whether this is really close if one has to push 1mm into the screen .
Somehow my excitement gets colder, unfortunately
F480 has a capacitive screen, just like the iPhone and G1, so the HD would be worse touchy-wise (resistive screen), but according to reviews HD's screen is quite close to iPhone's sensitivity. Anyway, you can't write with the stylus on those and you can on the HD
Insaneboy said:
F480 has a capacitive screen, just like the iPhone and G1, so the HD would be worse touchy-wise (resistive screen), but according to reviews HD's screen is quite close to iPhone's sensitivity. Anyway, you can't write with the stylus on those and you can on the HD
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Well, personally I dont really need a stylus, although the magnetic of the HD makes a precious impression. Anyhow Samsung's screen is what I would really define as touch screen. It would be interesting how close it is, but the 1mm Marcel mentioned doesnt sound too close .... I guess I will have to wait until I can see the HD live.
What a shame almost
For me, the ability to use stylus is a big plus. I like the option of being able to use product such as Netfront Browser. It is a lot easier to click on links and to type quickly on keyboards as compared to using finger. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against fingers. In fact, 99% of the time I use my device with just fingers. There are times when I feel that stylus is a lot easier. I consider this to be a plus over iPhone actually. I wish iPhone can support both, because then I need not zoom in before activating a link.
I would say it's about the same as using a touchpad on a laptop if using your finger, it's pretty good
mwatson said:
Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
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I have both the diamond (business phone) and, recently, the HD (personal phone). The HD is a step change in a number of ways. The larger screen, in purely size terms, makes sense of the touchflo interface. Buttons are big, and useable, and I'm rarely (if ever) pulling out the stylus. Also the software itself is faster, more developed (losts of little changes - like answering a call uses a finger gesture, rather than pressing a button - which means you are much less likely to inadvertantly answer an incoming call in your pocket. a little thing, but one of a myriad of significant little changes). The stock ROM is blisteringly fast in comparison (my diamond is the t-mobile version, and a shocker in comparison). Given that they are roughly the same hardware it shows what the diamond may become capable of. The screen is spectacular. The sensitivity (though lacking multi-touch, no biggie for me) feels just right. The battery life literally takes my breath away. I've run it for two lumps of two days, and not yet got the battery below 50%. My diamond corpses after about 24 hours.
It's the best WM device I've had by a country mile, and I've had a few. I still like my diamond, though. It's little and I can look after it much better when I'm out for a riotous night on the town. The HD is big, and until I can get a silicone case for it, it's a dropped smashed phone waiting to happen (I hate having to remove a phone from a case to use it, it massively increases the chance of accidents).
Philio25 said:
I would say it's about the same as using a touchpad on a laptop if using your finger, it's pretty good
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Really? If I judge it from my Acer Aspire I would then actually call it decent.
I really have to find a store where you can try it out .
eaglesteve said:
For me, the ability to use stylus is a big plus. I like the option of being able to use product such as Netfront Browser. It is a lot easier to click on links and to type quickly on keyboards as compared to using finger. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against fingers. In fact, 99% of the time I use my device with just fingers. There are times when I feel that stylus is a lot easier. I consider this to be a plus over iPhone actually. I wish iPhone can support both, because then I need not zoom in before activating a link.
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Well, I can talk only for the F480 which actually has Netfront and there you can click links without zooming, even if you have aim well sometimes.
Lets say I am not against a stylus but I am for the touch experience the F480 brings .
I am finding clicking links which are quite small a bit hit and miss and the lighter the touch the easier it is to register a click Also registry tweaks on things like total commander are very difficult and I miss a stylus for things like this. I beleive a capacitive stylus should have been provided and left to the user to use or not. What do you think?
Nope - capacitive screens don't need styli. What they should have done is made all of the wm 6.5 menus finger friendly and maybe added a safari-type magnifying glass for clicking links in Opera.
While I was waiting for my phone to arrive, I had ordered a cheapo Pogo stylus "just in case". I've used it a few times when I first got the phone and started changing stuff in the registy, but got confident enough with my "finger poking" very quickly. Haven't used it in nearly 2 weeks now.
I think the HD2 is perfectly finger friendly. However, if HTC could have produced a stylus for the capacitive screen that was the same size as a normal stylus and managed to find room in the current case for a silo to hold it then I wouldn't have objected. Regardless of what the finger nazis would have you believe, you can still get more done faster with a stylus and ruling it out is as silly as ruling fingers out.
jakem said:
I think the HD2 is perfectly finger friendly. However, if HTC could have produced a stylus for the capacitive screen that was the same size as a normal stylus and managed to find room in the current case for a silo to hold it then I wouldn't have objected. Regardless of what the finger nazis would have you believe, you can still get more done faster with a stylus and ruling it out is as silly as ruling fingers out.
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I agree. The transition from stylus to finger may be ok for people with slim fingers but my fingers are not slim, I have bloke hands so a stylus for me is essential for some operations like editing the registry.
The possibility of screwing something up with a large fingered prod after using that slider thing to navigate to the right registry key doesn't bear thinking about. That alone stopped me in my tracks mid regedit and made me go to the bay and buy a pogo.
Koreans and snake hipped ladyboys might find styluses obsolete but some actual men use these devices, some of us have been doing so since they were invented and some of us are over 40
HTC ought to have included a stylus, whether the user chose to use it or not.
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Koreans and snake hipped ladyboys might find styluses obsolete but some actual men use these devices, some of us have been doing so since they were invented and some of us are over 40
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I am well over 40, neither Korean nor a ladyboy... but quite tall with quite big hands and not so small fingers...
And I got used to the touch screen after some practicing... after having some experience from Apple devices.
"Problem" is maybe that HD2 is really fast with everything. One has to get used to the sensibility of the screen and the sheer speed.
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Should HTC have provided a stylus with HD2?
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Yes.
Next question?
Im also using pogo stylus, works great and regarding registry editing on mobile i use CeRegEditor which basically connects from PC to mobile registry and on PC you can fast and easily edit it.
compact_bijou said:
I agree. The transition from stylus to finger may be ok for people with slim fingers but my fingers are not slim, I have bloke hands so a stylus for me is essential for some operations like editing the registry.
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Erm finger size not quite an excuse ... I've got slim fingers, true (I'm a girl), but instead I have long nails to contend with (and I mean long - they "stick out" by about half an inch) so I had to find the right angle to poke at. Agree with you that it would have been nice of them to include a stylus anyway and let the user decide.
i really need a slim stylus...i use VNC/RDP alot and with this phone it's quite impossible.
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One has to get used to the sensibility of the screen and the sheer speed.
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I'm getting there with the sensitivity of the screen vs the insensitivity of my digit (it's only been 6 hours) but I have to say that I'm delighted to have finally found a hand held device which fast enough to work my way.
Hi all,
well as my x1's screen is not working and I may not be able to fix it on warranty (still working on that as I have to take it in to see) I am going to get a new phone, the HD2 seems to fit the bill as I do a lot of reading and watching vids on my phone... the big screen appeals but I use Pleco a chinese dictionary and so much more. It enables me to write in chinese and with a stylus this is fast and simple... however I am worried that I will not be able to use a stylus on the capacitive screen and thus it will render Pleco in operable or nearly useless (the ability to write Chinese characters is very important)... thoughts on this, will the finger be able to write accurately enough, can I get a stylus or make one to use (ie do I have to buy a special one or will a slightly thicker one work ok (compared to an x1 stylus for example)... thanks for any advice or info...
The iphone stylli even with tweaked screen sensitivity don't seem to work well on it. The Dagii stylus for the hd2 looks good though. Youtube it.
Thanks for the heads up... that might be what I am after although I have read there are issues with usability...
Shadowdh said:
Thanks for the heads up... that might be what I am after although I have read there are issues with usability...
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HTC have launched their own stylus for use on capacitive screens. I think they are available on Clove.co.uk and many other stores.
HD2 and Pleco
I have an HD2 and use Pleco almost every day. There is an option to use the whole screen to hand-write characters. You have to use your finger, but its not that bad. Sometimes when I try to go too fast the results aren't super accurate, but overall its really not any more inconvenient that having to pull a stylus out.
I'd say it doesn't impact usability at all, and the larger screen makes the software much better in my opinion.
I have tried every stylus I could find and none of them work very well with the hd2 at all. I have found that your finger is much easier to use and more responsive and accurate than any of the capacitive stylus'... so if it's an app that needs a stylus and isn't easy to use with your finger, you're going to have a difficult time with the hd2.
hi!
I was just wondering. Has anyone tried to use a pen on the HD mini. I know the HD mini comes without a pen, but I don't know for sure whether the screen only responds to the fingers (warmth) or whether it also responds to pointy things (pressure).
Using ones fingers to control a smartphone is alright, but I do like using a pen for the fidgety stuff or scribbling notes. I also use the pen that goes with my wacom tablet on my phone when I am working both at the same time.
So I am curious about this.
Can anyone tell me more about this?
Pen
HTC HD Mini has a capacitive display so you cannot use pen because it doesn't respond on a pressure caused by pen. Fingers only.
Hi,
It exists some capacitive pens, but be careful.
I purchased some cheaper pen on ebay for almost nothing; nevertheless they do not work well.
What I tried to do is to find a precise pen for playing to games where precision is needed like ScumVM.
But these cheaper pens react less well than the finger and are less precise. In brief the fingers are better!
Nevertheless I found a special HTC pen “ST C400”, they say that is a must. I ordered one but it cost about $40 with shipping, for only one pen! I hope for this price it will work!
Capacitive pens for the mini
The HTC STC400 from htc or on Ebay(about £16 in the UK) will work fine on it and seemingly also on most of the htc range.I use one on 3 different htc phones including the Mini.
The cheaper ones are very poor and feel just like an ordinary pencil rubber !! and drag so better to avoid them
Clive
You can also search for the capacitive pens from a taiwanese company called "DAGI". They are more affordable than the HTC STC400 and are really precise. From what I can tell, they use almost the same design as the HTC STC400.
Having to buy a expensive special pen that doesn't fit in the actual phone itself, doesn't strike me as progress, to be honest.
So how about scribbling and doodling with your fingertip instead of a pen?
Does that work?
I find it hard going on the pressure sensitive screen on my Touch. I have to use my nail for it to work, and I can't see what I am writing.
@ Windows: you´ll probably need some time to get used to the capacitive screen. As a previous HTC diamond user I also used my nails to type and to navigate through my phone. Nails don´t work on capacitive screens. You´ll have to put the flesh of your fingers on the screen. The problem for scribbling is that the line you draw is usually thinner than your finger. So you cannot really see what you are drawing. Since recent programms are usually fingerfriendly I didn´t encounter that many problems so far. Only programms that use a lot of drop down menus can be really tricky. I only use the pen for one programm. But even we that in mind, I personally wouldn´t go back to a resistance touch screen.
same as nivi,
I am not sure if it is really a resistive or capacitive debate, but new phones are really more reactive.
I broke my mini and I had to return to Diamond (resistive) but very slow in regard to mini, and I have lot of dificulties to readapt myself to the stylus and Diamond usage.
take a look at this :
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/iphone-sausage-stylus-kor_n_459845.html
Hehehe
LOL ... a porc ou chicken ?
Hi xda was hoping someone would be so kind as to help me out before I make an expensive purchase.
Ok so I play a lot of android games.
I recently sold my VEGA rebrand from flat computing.
I had a few screen issues where the multi-touch was faulty? Or just not that good.
Anyway I made a youtube video showing my problems..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boesCfhkRbs
In the multitouch visualizer you can see the second touch on the right when moved affects the first touch. I cannot play FPS's wherein the controls are on the bottom left and right of the screen. This movement was just too much to make it worthwile. It also became stuck at times where the right would freeze and my right movement would start controlling the left.
Yes i tried some games and it did play up a lot.
Some people have been complaining about similar issues with the adam AND some even saying the touch doesn't work well the closer to the edges you are
I just sold this device to wait for the adam. (not long now I hope) ANd would be devistated if the adam was the same. This would also breatly waste my time, again.
There is a video on youtube and whilst I spoke to the guy and he says it works perfectly the multitouch visualizer clearly shows what seems to be some sort of snapping. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=597On89k4iU
My question is..
Can someone create a video showing me exactly how well it works. Including maybe trying to reproduce what my flatpad was doing?
Here you go, i dont have that version of the visualizer dunno if it makes a diference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0U2X9D78hI
Wow. Thank you so much. The touchscreen is perfect. Nice!
I patiently await for notion ink to advise of the second preorder.
Thanks again this is a huge help to me.
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I believe that some people who are having trouble with their
tablet touch screens do not realize that the condition of the skin on ones finger has an effect on the accuracy of the screen. Also what part of your finger you use to touch the screen. Small phone screens do not have as much problem because you are using the same part of your finger to touch the screen. On a larger tablet you tend to roll your finger to different parts that are touching the screen. This different skin may not work as well as what you usually use. The tips of my fingers do not work as well as the flats. I never knew this until I got the larger HD2 screen and I was pounding away with the tip. Touch it with the flat part and bingo, every time.
It has to do with how moist or oily your skin is. My wife has dry hands and has a terrible time with touch screens. I read an article about it but can't find it to link here.
Any body else had any experience with this?
johnboatcat said:
tablet touch screens do not realize that the condition of the skin on ones finger has an effect on the accuracy of the screen. Also what part of your finger you use to touch the screen. Small phone screens do not have as much problem because you are using the same part of your finger to touch the screen. On a larger tablet you tend to roll your finger to different parts that are touching the screen. This different skin may not work as well as what you usually use. The tips of my fingers do not work as well as the flats. I never knew this until I got the larger HD2 screen and I was pounding away with the tip. Touch it with the flat part and bingo, every time.
It has to do with how moist or oily your skin is. My wife has dry hands and has a terrible time with touch screens. I read an article about it but can't find it to link here.
Any body else had any experience with this?
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I do, i sweat alot from my hands, and in that video i posted i used the cleaning cloth to place over my fingers so i could film it, otherwise the touch screen wouldnt lock.