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I have had a Universal for a while now and there are ups and downs. I like the fact that i can upgrade the firmware and customize it the way i want, but the device is big and i have broken the screen once before. I have been eyeing the sony ericcson P990 for a while and i was wondering if anyone can add their input if i should get the P990 and sell my universal while the price is high since there is a new universal coming out soon.
Thanks.
It all depends what You expect from Your mobile. If all You want is a handy tool for communication I would go for an cell phone like motorola ez or similar. If You expect more like having additional calendar or PIM I would still stick to ordinary cell phone.
Universal or p990 is much more than communicating device. cut to the point because You know what UNI is ;-)
I am quite familiar with whole family of Symbian UIQ phones since p800 and motorola A925. I always considered them as much superior to pocketPC in terms of stability and potential of freeware soft. Till Ive bought WM2003 almost a year ago (now I have universal too). Overall usability and software ergonomy is much better in pocketPC than in symbian (its MY personal opinion). theres thousands small issues which make pocket pc better that symbian just like IE You cannot record conversations in symbian out of box - in pocketpc you can make notes along with recording. Theres much more things like this. Another question is constant problem with backing up data from symbian devices - I found several ways but none of them is comparable to activesync (even whatever bad things You can say about its instability etc). In terms of soft theres huge disproportion in obtaining freeware soft for both platforms - Youll wont find such great games like pocketHeroes, UFO on symbian.
I could tell much more but reasumming: as for size p990 is smaller but not so small afterall - I would tell both UNI and P990 are in the same class (comparing to small samsung or motorola). As for battery operation time. Hmm, in papers P990 should run much longer but in reality theres almost no difference between those devices (my friend have P900)
Sorry for my unconsistent reply but I just wanted to give You some points for consideration.
I would definitely stay with Uni - BTW I love to watch movies on it. Futurama looks great on UNI.
Regards,
Piotr
Hard to decide. The p990 is much better to be uaed as a phone than the Universal. However, the latter has much better software support.
If I were you, I'd wait for either the Omni or would go for the TyTN.
I would definately go for uni .
Thanks
Thanks, i appreciate your inputs. I think i will stay with the UNI, but i would like to give the P990 a try. My main reason is for somthing powerful and that can stay in pocket or belt clip without pulling me down. The universal has a much nicer interface than the symbian, buti will see, might have to try the P990.
Thanks again.
i prefer universal
So all these show that with many drawbacks r uni still has a upper hand above many pda's.
Hey guys,
i recently traded my belloved Athena for a Sony vaio UX 380N,
i used my Athena mostly to send pictures using pocket phojo
and read email and navigation, and for a pocket pc it worked like a dream,
no crashes, well the magnetic design was kinda akward for me
but all in all it was a great little machine, working on a umpc
is different though its slower but i benefit greatly since i have a
better display and a photo shop installed. For me having a device
with pc and ppc combined would be a dream come true.
What do you think?
Tito
isnt that a Shift? dream come true is possibly not the word for it though. pipedream come true? daydream come true? the problem is it came true and it's there if you really want it.......
Everybody is entitled to their own preferences for the gadgets they use. Frankly I love the viao more than the athena. It's small, it does have a phone and it works with a full windows xp. The downside is the price. USD 2k for a phone is too much for me. If a small screen fits well with you while using photoshop, that's also fine. Personally, I perfer a 21 inch or bigger screen when I do graphic intensive stuff like color separations. Good luck on your new gadget!!!
I work as a photojournalist and have to send daily asigments on loacation
or real time so carring a 20" imac or even a small laptop isnt really and option...
Let me know if you get bored of the UX380, I may trade you for a X7500
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I work as a photojournalist and have to send daily asigments on loacation
or real time so carring a 20" imac or even a small laptop isnt really and option...
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I suggest you look into the OQO model 02 it's a pretty cool gadget, just my 2 cent.
Pricey though.....
Tikej said:
Hey guys,
i recently traded my belloved Athena for a Sony vaio UX 380N,
i used my Athena mostly to send pictures using pocket phojo
and read email and navigation, and for a pocket pc it worked like a dream,
no crashes, well the magnetic design was kinda akward for me
but all in all it was a great little machine, working on a umpc
is different though its slower but i benefit greatly since i have a
better display and a photo shop installed. For me having a device
with pc and ppc combined would be a dream come true.
What do you think?
Tito
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You were using your GPS on your Athena before. You've given that up in the process?
How do you find the battery life of UX380N and its speed ? Do you listen your MP3 on it? What about your PIM? Is the lack of instant on capability a problem for you or no? Does it have a phone or are you having a separate smaller phone with MP3/GPS?
OQO Model 2 looks a lot sexier, but as you said the price is also much higher. I like its 5 inch 800x480 screen.
I was using gps on my Athena a lot, I also liked build in hsdpa modem a lot,
sure ux takes forever to boot and you can put it to sleep(crashes sometimes) but i dont know different tools all together. Mostly i like ux becouse its a regular pc and its more versatile if you ask me....
The better mobile PC is... my HOME/OFFICE PC
I have a vista mobile, an XP mobile, I just use the athena as mobile PC as 5' device to connect, via RDP or logmein.
THEN I have some movies, music, PIM and e-mail on-the go
Why Athena? Size matters for remote PCs
Well ive had it with Vista, i sold Vaio UX(with profit), i desided to go back to PPC and got a new Hp hx 4700 with wm 2003 and iam back to step one,
i had with umpc, giant PPCs(Athena, Qtek 9000 etc.), this baby is kinda unstable(use backup a lot) but it flys in Pocket Phojo and gps is way better
with an external antena(have one built it under the bonet). Iam waiting for
better device to use as a mobile editing station/navigation/office work,
i realized that smal screens (5" and smaller) and small keyboards just doesnt
work good in my hands. I prefer using OS X better than Win devices,
Macbook Air is lightweight but not really light or small enough,
so the search continues. Yeeezzz.....
I have never owned or used a WM device before, all my previous devices have been S60 devices. I have been doing a lot of research on WM over the last week but I am still looking for more feedback
I like the look of the Touch HD because of it's large screen which is ideal for my needs as far as web, video & applications used are concerned.
Also it should be OK as a modem for my Mac laptop.
It's out in the UK tomorrow where I am located so I am looking for views on this.
wm may not be as good as other os but it is fairly easy to get the hand of besides touchflo covers it up to a good extent.
Now that Nokia is coming out with s60v5 Touch you wanna desert them? No seriously, I understand you, after N95 s60v3 the Touch HD will take me back to the WinMobile world. And most of the s60 software offerings have an equivalent in the WinMobile world. Not always as good (like no answering machine, limited SMS and call handling/forwarding/auto answering), but for the productivity you mention the Touch HD should bring you joy. And TouchFlow 3D, aiming to be the OSX of the iPhone, is doing a better and better job of shielding us from the WinMobile shortcomings, where a stylus was meant to be used instead of fingers.
Super Chimp said:
I have never owned or used a WM device before, all my previous devices have been S60 devices. I have been doing a lot of research on WM over the last week but I am still looking for more feedback
I like the look of the Touch HD because of it's large screen which is ideal for my needs as far as web, video & applications used are concerned.
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Disclaimer: I've never used or (knowingly) seen an S60 so I don't know what sort of interface it's got.
You'll find WM quite a "technical" OS to use once you get past the TouchFLO software that HTC has created for the front-end. WM isn't as immediately usable, finger-friendly, glossy and slick as - for example - the iPhone. Fans of the iPhone claim this is a limitation of WM but those of us who are happy with WM enjoy the flexibility and power that all the options and details provide and accept the consequences that it might sometimes (although rarely in normal usage) be a bit fiddly to use. Personally, I find the iPhone's interface too simplistic for my needs, although it is glossy and attractive.
It depends where your priorities lie and it's a purely personal choice, which makes me wonder why people get so heated/aggressive/defensive about which OS is the best. Try them all and decide based on your experience. Unfortunately it's difficult to fall in love with WM in a shop because it's only when you start using it for real that you discover the true flexibililty and power that it offers. Conversely it's easy to fall in love quickly with the gloss of the iPhone, which is perhaps why non-technical users seem to love theirs so much.
Just to give more context I already have a SE C905 for my more 'phone' activities & media production such as taking pictures.
I have an unlimited data contract to use with the Touch HD so it would be used for web & media consumption.
Plus I would like a device that can handle multiple e mail accounts easily & can deal with Word documents etc.
Will I need to tweak it much to improve it's performance & is this easy to do?
Is it correct that it's an idea to download application to better control it's data connections?
Are their other applications that it will require or will most of this be covered by the stuff already on it?
I have also seen people stating the X1 has an advantage because of it's physical D Pad which you need to use WM properly they claim?
Finally how likely is their to be an Touch HD version of the X1 panels & does anyone have the HD's SAR rating?
Thanks all for your assistance on this & pardon my ignorance on this.
Anyone got a version of dosbox that works on the hd2?
Audio Oblivion said:
Anyone got a version of dosbox that works on the hd2?
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would be possible, not to hard, but we have to make a control scheme for every game apart.
Commander keen, biomenace and c&c on HD2 would be awesome.
Descent 3 using the G sensor would be awesome - lots more potential with dosbox and its like than with console emulators.
xedahh said:
Descent 3 using the G sensor would be awesome - lots more potential with dosbox and its like than with console emulators.
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problem is still that so few good developers are interested in windows mobile...
It would be super...but there's not a big chance we will have a dev that will work on this.
Cant hurt to ask but i doubt they even wanna reply to this thread.
I use dosbox on my pc to run wolfenstein 3d and quake. If your interested in running wolf3d on your HD2 then check THIS out, I havent got it working yet, (not that Ive tried much) but you might, Im not sure if its designed for wvga devices as I can get it running, but it doesnt fill up the whole screen so i keep cliking the manila soft keys
Sorry, went a little off topic there
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would be possible, not to hard, but we have to make a control scheme for every game apart.
Commander keen, biomenace and c&c on HD2 would be awesome.
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This sounds good, when we can expect your fingerfriendly version of DosBox ?
Here a Pocket PC port.
AnnaW said:
This sounds good, when we can expect your fingerfriendly version of DosBox ?
Here a Pocket PC port.
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i'd be happy to make control schemes, but someone with photoshop skills should fill the buttons i will make in MS paint
First we need that port to support multitouch screens and cotrol schemes.
If that port works and is not fake, then it would be a piece of cake for the developer to add this.
I cant code that launguage however, but have enough knowledge if things in coding terms are easy or not.
EDIT:
Wait...can someone try the DOSBox PPC toolbar editor...maby it is for mapping keys to the touchscreen...
But it would still be hard without transparant buttons.
Would be awesome to have a functional dosbox on the HD2. the processor of the device should have enough power to handle all retro games.
if you guys can try commander keen 4 on your HD2 and it works, let me know. i will map the rest of all schemes because im a huge fan of dosbox.
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I do think its for the lower part of the screen for touch controls. someone would have to try the port though.
I do have photoshop and fireworks but don't seem to be able to bring any alpha channels into the tool - I have a test RGBA png file attached in case anyone can figure it out.
Probably more to the point - this PPC port of dosbox does not support wvga, not even sure if it supports vga, maybe we're barking up the wrong tree?
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I do have photoshop and fireworks but don't seem to be able to bring any alpha channels into the tool - I have a test RGBA png file attached in case anyone can figure it out.
Probably more to the point - this PPC port of dosbox does not support wvga, not even sure if it supports vga, maybe we're barking up the wrong tree?
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time to contact the creator i guess. lets hope he's still interested.
who is the lead dev for the dosbox port?
are they still developing?
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who is the lead dev for the dosbox port?
are they still developing?
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Dont know and i dont know. Pressing the "help me" links gives you a mail adress though. Try to use that.
Well I thought I'd post about my success in getting some dos games running on the Leo. Personally, I'm far more interested in running dos games than console games, so I hope others will join in and share their experiences here also so we can get a bit of momentum going.
First impressions were that it was a bit of a mixed bag. There is not a clear winner in term of dos emulation for the Leo in terms of taking advantage of the screen resolution, cpu and achieving broad game compatibility.
Speaking generally, n0p's port has the most attention on XDA as far as I can see, and perhaps rightly so in terms of the kernel, but I think the praise is overdone where the Leo is concerned as it is a very awkward experience using it on the Leo. Even with the 0.73 version, the lack of WVGA support means that we're stuck with big piece of unused screen realestate and a tiny, horrible keyboard overlay at the bottom that is barely usable. PocketDos has a much better UI in that regard, with the option of using your own pim, although it doesn't run the more sophisticated/demanding games as well as DosBox.
Betrayal at Krondor
I got BAK working, albeit slowly, on N0p's port. The speed is reasonable -- much better than the Symbian DoxBox port I was running on
my E71. Audio in particular is much closer to what it should be. It still judders enough to be annoying instead of easy listening, but it's close enough that I wonder whether smaller memory optimisations or tweaks might make it work properly. The lack of WVGA resolution really hurts in combat though, because hitting the right grid square is pretty hard and makes it a bit of a chore to play. At least when adventuring you can use the stick-to-road button to travel easily about Midkemia. Not sure how to right-click consistently either.
I couldn't get BaK to run on Pocket Dos, although I suspect it might work with different memory settings. From what I recall, it needed a healthy EMS allocation to work back in the day.
Jones in the Fast Lane
With Jones, it's the opposite to BaK. It really struggles on N0p's port but absolutely flies on Pocket Dos. It's actually perfect (although I had sound down so can't comment on audio). The ability to resize the screen and change to landscape makes it a wonderful experience.
N0p's port can run Jones but only barely - the cursor is bugged with the touchscreen so that you can't select anything on the right-hand-side of the screen and it's also nowhere near as fast or smooth as on Pocket Dos. Don't know why it struggles so much as it isn't a very demanding game.
UFO
Given the lack of a WVGAFix for WM6.5, Pocket UFO won't work on the Leo and we're stuck with running UFO on dos. Here, n0p's port is the best. It's fairly playable although, again, surprising slow. Unfortunately Pocket Dos wouldn't load it properly.
Here's a list of games I intend to try in the near future:
Space Quest series
Police Quest series
Heroes Quest series
Dune 2
Syndicate
As far as I can understand there is no properly working dosbox for Leo.
I wish I can play Commander Keen. That's my favorite dos game. I guess we can only hope that someone will port a proper dosbox version to the Leo.
Any updates or so for Dos games to play on the HD2 yet? I know id love this as well. =)
I have been interested in the HD2, but I've been curious about Dos emulation. I don't own any WP devices at the moment.
I realize this thread is a few years old, but are there any updates since this last post?
Lets just say for fun that Moto released Windows 8 for our Xoom, and that it worked as well as Android. Would you switch to it? Lets not start the license issue say you could buy a copy. Would you dual boot? Just wondering how many would give it a run, I think I would.
Yes in a heartbeat. Always wanted to try windows tablet and able to use full blown microsoft office products.
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Yes in a heartbeat. Always wanted to try windows tablet and able to use full blown microsoft office products.
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I wonder if you would need a special version of office (ARM) or if office 2007 would work? That would be very cool if it did.
zone23 said:
I wonder if you would need a special version of office (ARM) or if office 2007 would work? That would be very cool if it did.
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They have already shown office running on arm, but it was a recompiled version.
All software will need a new arm version.
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No but i'd like to have the office programs to android
wouldn't run windows on any hardware I own lol
i would do it in a heart beat! im a verizon customer and love android. but if verizon had a better windows phone i would be all over it. i have an xbox and several winows laptops in my house so i think i would love the intergration. i admit, i dont even know if it would intergrate that well, im just speculating..
Absolutely not. My office just got the Samsung Slate Windows 7 tablet and we installed Win8 beta. The slate has 4gb RAM/64GB storage and an Intel icore5 at 1.66ghz. At almost $1,200, its very expensive for what it is. Heavy and has a gigantic fan in it.....
The entire concept of Windows in a tablet/slate does not work. Metro navigation is horrible and breaks almost every existing standard for Windows navigation.
To use Win8 Metro without a touch screen, is an excuse for carpal tunnel where every single task now takes twice as many clicks. ESC no longer works as the universal get me back one level.
Overall, my impression of Win8 Metro is very poor. The device we have has an icore5 in it and it is not snappy. Its smooth but not fast. Navigation is horrible and confusing.
IMHO, Microsoft better fire the UX team on Metro because all they've done is manage to muck up the entire concept of touch and Windows into a completely unusable package.
Android ICS navigation, HC and even Gingerbread are light years ahead in terms of efficient touch navigation implementation. MSFT needs to learn that in mobile, do not marry the desktop metaphor into it. It will not work. iOS and its unhappy marriage in Mac Lion is a perfect example of a big failure. Even Apple made that mistake and couldn't fix it.
Well there is an instruction of how to install Win XP in our Xoom.
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X86 programs aren't going to run on the arm version of win8 so a lot of the programs that I would be looking forward to won't be compatible out the gate.
Things android lacks that windows has? Java, resizeable &stackable window ui, full fledged browsers with extensions.
Can't compare win8 to ics, maybe to cupcake. Give win on arm a few years and it should improve. That said, i am now 100% commited to android and i believe it is the future of os'es.
That would be the only way I would keep the XOOM. Android is just a toy to me.
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Absolutely not. My office just got the Samsung Slate Windows 7 tablet and we installed Win8 beta. The slate has 4gb RAM/64GB storage and an Intel icore5 at 1.66ghz. At almost $1,200, its very expensive for what it is. Heavy and has a gigantic fan in it.....
The entire concept of Windows in a tablet/slate does not work. Metro navigation is horrible and breaks almost every existing standard for Windows navigation.
To use Win8 Metro without a touch screen, is an excuse for carpal tunnel where every single task now takes twice as many clicks. ESC no longer works as the universal get me back one level.
Overall, my impression of Win8 Metro is very poor. The device we have has an icore5 in it and it is not snappy. Its smooth but not fast. Navigation is horrible and confusing.
IMHO, Microsoft better fire the UX team on Metro because all they've done is manage to muck up the entire concept of touch and Windows into a completely unusable package.
Android ICS navigation, HC and even Gingerbread are light years ahead in terms of efficient touch navigation implementation. MSFT needs to learn that in mobile, do not marry the desktop metaphor into it. It will not work. iOS and its unhappy marriage in Mac Lion is a perfect example of a big failure. Even Apple made that mistake and couldn't fix it.
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Couldn't disagree more... if what I'm running on my Wp7 is even half as well implemented on a tablet then I'm on it. Metro is the first decent differentiation away from 'icon' based interfaces and if I'm not mistaken the Android market has just been updated to a Metro like home screen.
I've played with the Win8 beta too but wouldn't judge MSFT on it when they clearly are capable of a top-notch Metro based OS as per WP7.
But opinions are like assholes, we all got one ;-)
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Hmmm... I'd think about it...
I always was a MS user, probably always will be. I see the opinions on both sides, and understand both of them... I guess my thoughts lean toward "let me dual-boot and try it, and see if it works for me..."
I would like to give it a test run.
~ BereanPK
Well I don't know all that much about Metros cept what I have read and from what I understand you can get rid of the Metro interface and go back to the standard if you choose to.
Metro is really not much more than Windows Media Center type interface that runs over the standard desktop and you can dump out of it if you want to get more of a legacy type screen.
That said I would definitly try it on my Xoom if I could Dual Boot from an SD Card but I would be hesitant to flash it directly as my daily driver. It could be useful for some presentation I do and some Classes I teach but as an everyday operating system for my Pad I really don't see the need until I know it allows me to do something I can't do with ICS.
And I have yet to hear of anything along those lines!
And from what I hear about draconian copy protection I may just pass on Win8 for my desktop as well!
I change my hardware a LOT and they seem to think I am not allowed to do that when I run their OS!
And they wonder why people PIRATE it in the first place?
You can't run OneNote with ICS.
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I would dual boot, because I love metro UI (the launcher I use the most on my phone is Launcher 7) and I am very curious about Win8.
I have Windows 7 on my notebook and it's great, the first os by MS which is very good and has no problems. Not a single crash in months of use!
Only one thing puts me in doubt:
-Windows 98: good
-Windows 2000: not good
-Windows XP: good
-Windows Vista: awful
-Windows 7: very good
-Windows 7: ???
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I would dual boot, because I love metro UI (the launcher I use the most on my phone is Launcher 7) and I am very curious about Win8.
I have Windows 7 on my notebook and it's great, the first os by MS which is very good and has no problems. Not a single crash in months of use!
Only one thing puts me in doubt:
-Windows 98: good
-Windows 2000: not good
-Windows XP: good
-Windows Vista: awful
-Windows 7: very good
-Windows 7: ???
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You whippersnappers with no sense of perspective.
Windows: bad
Windows 2: eh
Windows 3: not too bad
Windows 3.1: better
Windows 3.11 for Workgroups: now you're cooking with gas
Windows NT: blah
Windows NT 4.0: much better
Windows 95: pretty good
Windows 98: good but I wish it had some of the NT 4.0 stuff.
Windows 2000: not the best for games but at least it has the NT stuff.
Windows XP: nice but 64 bit was kind of a joke
Windows Vista: fine if you know how to read but a bit of a hog.
Windows 7: this is a nicer cleaned up Vista with a watered down interface for those who want a spoon fed experience
Windows 8: probably something even simpler with a robust OS under the hood (I hope or it will suck worse than Windows ME that I refuse to include in my list because it SUCKED.)
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windows me was an operating system? lol
no i wouldn't install windows 8 on my xoom... I'll keep ics. it's smooth and pretty stable.
I would have no desire to run WIN8 on my tablet. I can see the possible argument for encouraged development though...
windows CE + windows ME + windows NT = CEMENT