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Hi,
I'm a new MDA II owner (since yesterday) and already ran into some weird problems.
One prob is: the MDA II is closing open programms after some idletime in the backround. That means, if you e.g. open pocketinformant, and put it into backround (as an Icon in tray) and you wait some secs (about 30-60), the pocketinformant just pops away. Also with some other programms: Totalcommander, XCPUScalar, almost every programm with icon is being shut down by the MDA II (or some garbagetool).
If you hold them in focus, the resist.
It doens't matter if you are activesynced or not...
Tools like smallmenue or wisbaradv or pocket controller are not shut down.
Any idea?
Sincerely
Dejan
Common,
you're the XDA-Developers, whoelse as you might now, which tweak in the registry, which .dll or whatelse leads this device to handle open programm in such a bad manner.
How can I make the device not closing some programms? Does anybody knows a tool, which prevents other tools from being closed?
Anybody?
128mb and still 94% free RAM, because the device closes the software as soon as it goes in the backround....
Greets
Dejan Ivkovic
Yeah seen the same problem here, no way to fix it yet.
Re: MDA II closing programs after some ideltime
IvkovicD said:
Hi,
I'm a new MDA II owner (since yesterday) and already ran into some weird problems.
One prob is: the MDA II is closing open programs after some idle-time in the background. That means, if you e.g. open pocket informant, and put it into background (as an Icon in tray) and you wait some secs (about 30-60), the pocket informant just pops away. Also with some other programs: Total commander, XCPUScalar, almost every program with icon is being shut down by the MDA II (or some garbage tool).
If you hold them in focus, the resist.
It doesn't matter if you are activesynced or not...
Tools like smallmenue or wisbaradv or pocket controller are not shut down.
Any idea?
Sincerely
Dejan
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Sounds like you're running low on program memory, if thats the case
your device is doing what its suppose to do! Open a few programs and then check your memory and see.
HTH
HTH
Not in my case, over 80Mb free...
@qman
well, this should be the normal way, IF I run into some memory trouble. :wink:
But, my Autostart/Startup is quite filled up with the default programms, which are being loaded by system to handle alle the little goodies form the PE AND which are being installed by default during first initialisation after hardreset.
Dispite that, I only load two other programms while booting: smenue and wisbaradvance (not worth being counted as memoryconsumer). Still have 94% of programm memory free, (or about 65MBRam. So If I load PI4, I might use some 100kb/s, and than PWord, which uses some more 100Kb/s. Ok. I still might have about 90-92% of programm ram free (aprox. 62-63MB, I cannot get the right value, because the MDA just closes the PI4 :x )
So the routine might do the right thing, but in wrong time and toooooo conservative.
BTW, this effect is also shown up on a fresh hardreseted device, just load pie and pword amd pexcel, you will see, how PIE is just vanished....
Greets
Dejan
BTW Does anybody know some dudes at MS Developing stuff (esp. Windows Mobile 2003 Phoe Edition)? In my eyes, this is one ofe these:
1. The memorycoresettings are copied from earlier days, while the devices only had 16-32 mb memory. :lol:
2. Is a bug.
Big Bug in memorhandling for open programms
Big bug in memoryhanding for open programms
I've posted following message to the microsoft.public.pocketps.phone_edition newsgroup with hope, that any of the Microsoft developer would read it, and post an reply:
to "Microsoft Mobile Stuff"
please confirm following bug:
The new Windows Mobile 2003 Phone Edition (at least german edition, might also be at english one) has a big bug at the memoryhandling routine, which handles the closing of open programms to keep programm-memory free.
Situtation: if you load programms and get over 16mb of used memory for programms at the shared memory pool of your device, the device (here especially MDA/XDA II) starts closing programms until it gets under 16 mb again, it doesn't matter, if your device has 128 Mb free, or you moved the slider at memory configuration to the left, so the programm memory is > 80 MB)
If you load enough load-and-stay-resident programms (traytools, menue extensions, desktop enhancments e.g. wisbar, smenue, pocket controler, aso.) to keep more than 16 mb used, you cannot load any further programms, because the device reports insufficant memory for execution. You can only use the loaded tools.
If you remove all \windows\startup entries and boot clean, you can load all the programms, which are being closed before, without any problems, the programms stay in memory for hours....
luck, the telephontool is somekind hardwired, so it functions even if other programms are quit with memoryerrors...
If this value of 16mb is not being set up into registry, than it is a hardcoded bug.
Anyway
Please check this out, especially an foreign language Mobile 2003 OS, and provide an bugfix fast, because with 16mb of usable programm-memory, you hardly can use your PE in a professional fashion!
Sincerely
a frustrated PE user.
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You can check this effect just load programms and look at your memory consumption. It (MDA) should close all programms until you get under 16 megs again, if it cannot, because of resident programms, you will get insufficant memory errors.
Dejan
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Just don't want to retype it again
http://www.tekguru.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=512&sid=524b13482c3e2596000dde9a7cc05e09
Is this a hardware problem or an issue with the ROM on HTC Himalaya Phone Edition devices? Or is it a problem with Windows Mobile 2003 Phone Edition?
I mean... Will/Can this be fixed through a software/firmware update?
From the Microsoft Newsgroup:
Windows Mobile 2003 supports only 33 Processes at a time!
After a normal start the XDA II has over 26 running processes, so removing the Flash-Programs and every not needed app in Autostart is a good idea!
Does anyone know if any of the items in my starup folder are unneccesary as my XDA II seems to be running really slowly:
Aflashman.lnk
Battery Monitor.lnk
BPinsert.lnk
BTIcon.lnk
CFlashMan.lnk
CheckAutoRun.lnk
HandsFree.lnk
IA_Caller_ID.lnk
MMReg.lnk
MultiIE.lnk
NFlashMan.lnk
poutlook.lnk
SMSreceiver.lnkstk.lnk
TFlashMan.lnk
USSD.lnk
VoiceCommand.lnk
There seems to be a lot here. Any ideas of what I could lose?
Look at www.ppcw.net (special story about it) or at www.tekguru.co.uk (last part of his review).
Your problem of running slow is probably due to a MS Mobile 2003 bug My I-mate was running really slow.
Download this freeware (both of them), install them and run them. I had over 500 entries in the database which I cleared with the util and it went to 9 The speed of my Imate returned to normal.
http://www.scarybearsoftware.com/ppc_cn_overview.html
Hope that helps....
Thanx drj bro! I had 830!!! Down to 11 after running app. My XDAII is running real smooth now. The second app says its only trial though....
Your welcome...glad it worked!
It will build up over time and as you soft reset. Just run the util every once and a while and all should be well.
drj said:
Your problem of running slow is probably due to a MS Mobile 2003 bug My I-mate was running really slow.
Download this freeware (both of them), install them and run them. I had over 500 entries in the database which I cleared with the util and it went to 9 The speed of my Imate returned to normal.
http://www.scarybearsoftware.com/ppc_cn_overview.html
Hope that helps....
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Thanks from me too! I had my alarms fail, which made me oversleep, which could have been very embarrassing on any other night as the bands I drive rely on me getting them to the next gig on time.
I installed this freeware which seems to have (a) cleared a lot of unwanted dross & (b) sorted out my alarm problem (I think!)
I also use the very useful pocket alarm from Burr Oak Software, check it out here:-
http://www.burroak.on.ca/pta2.html
Top banana! Thanks again!
My Australia i-Mate came with a whole bunch of Telstra customisations. I would actually like to get rid of these because they interfere with telephone functionality (e.g replaces caller ID with a telstra logo!).
However I am unable to delete the Telstra setup files using File Explorer. Anybody have any ideas how to do it?
Hi guys,
I got my wizard a couple of days ago, and was initially pleased by how snappy it was compared to my magician.
Since then, I've noticed that my wizard progressively slows down through the day. Initially I thought, no big deal, I'll just stop all running programs and it should speed up again. When I do this though, the amount of Free Program space does not increase by much. After a reset, I usually have 30-35MB free. and after a day's use, I'm down to 3MB. When I stop all programs it only goes back up to 5-6MB! It's like there is a memory leak or something.
I also got a "low memory" pop-up at one time, which gave me a list of applications I could close. That list had a lot more items than the list of running programs in the Setting Menu! There were also multiple instances of some processes, such as 'Phone'.
Anyone know what is going on?
Thanks
Get Clearnotify and Check Notifications from Scarybearsoftware. make sure to check remove duplicates in advanced settings
Cheers
Aren't these applications only for WM 2003? it says on their website that these applications are not needed in WM 2003 SE.
Those programs fix a problem in WM 2003. They are not anymore necessary in WM2003 SE and of course on WM2005, as the problem has been fixed by Microsoft.
The slowdown problem is elsewhere...
sirox said:
Those programs fix a problem in WM 2003. They are not anymore necessary in WM2003 SE and of course on WM2005, as the problem has been fixed by Microsoft.
The slowdown problem is elsewhere...
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Problem is not fixed by Microsoft. Just run this programm and see it yourself
Memory leak?
It may be that one of your programs is leaking memory (due to poor design or to incompetability to WM5).
I suggest to run a binary search elimenation:
First run the Wizard for a full day without any 3rd party programs.
The next day add several program and run full day again.
And so on, until you may find a program that causes the leakage.
If one of these program resposable, you'll find it that way.
Good luck :-((((
And report back since this is interesting for the rest of the Wizard-to-be users.
ID64 said:
sirox said:
Those programs fix a problem in WM 2003. They are not anymore necessary in WM2003 SE and of course on WM2005, as the problem has been fixed by Microsoft.
The slowdown problem is elsewhere...
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Problem is not fixed by Microsoft. Just run this programm and see it yourself
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I had this program from Scarybear running on my previous HP4150, so I know what you are talking about.
When I moved to the Jam (with WM2003SE) it became useless, as there were no duplicate notifications anymore. This is confirmed also by the excellent SKTools.
I do not have a K-Jam yet, but your theory that this bug has come back in WM2005 after it was fixed on 2003SE, sounds a bit difficult to believe...
I confirm.
This is the come back of the famous bug.
For me I get multiple lines of
\windows\sddaemon.exe
I am not sure what it does exactly but I know that if I don't clean it regularly I have many problems (like the phone soft reseting alone!!!).
If I keep it clean with scarybear soft then no more trouble.
They probably didn't take the latest windows mobile 2003 version to start building windows mobile 5.
I didn't see many posts on this.
We should give it some ups so that it will be fixed in a future rom upgrade.
Come on all the people complaining about this phone check if you do not have duplicates. Just in case...
verified. I have multiple run instances for various apps after a day of use. according to this there's more than 4 instances of clock, calendar, ssdaemon, replog etc etc. pretty much just the apps that I've launched multiple times then later shut down.
I had 28 ssdaemon duplicates on my kjam
did you have stability problems or slowdowns with 28 sddaemons?
how i can discovered its?¿?
regards
I guess the other question I have is that why there's zero notification showing from MemMaid?
with Check Notifications i detect 256 events, and many repeat, but i can´t deleted
sclui56 said:
I guess the other question I have is that why there's zero notification showing from MemMaid?
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Or zero duplicate notifications from SKTools??? I had 114 events with about 78 of them repeated sddaemons with Clear Notifications.
Thanks for the hint about this.
Frank
imposible sincronize after install check notifications and clear all the notifications... it´s imposible
anyone more...
sddaemon is in the start up folder in windows . I believe it is linked to the Voice software on the device.
wardy said:
sddaemon is in the start up folder in windows . I believe it is linked to the Voice software on the device.
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That's correct.
I ended up deleting sddaemon.exe out completely with clear notifications and it doesn't return. Or pull it from the rom before you hard reset. I use voicecommand anyway.
...however, I have some good news. I just saved a bunch of cpu cycles by running clear notifications...
-mix
I removed sddaemon from startup as well. Voicedialing still works though, so what does sddaemon really do?
I tried to do a search about this, but nothing came up. For some reason, whenever I tried to open my Windows folder using Resco, it takes about 8-10 seconds before it opens up. I don't know what program I've installed that can be causing this. In fact, I even hard resetted and restored using one of my latest backups. The folder opens up normally and quickly, but then a few syncs later, it goes back to taking 8 sec to open the folder (so, only the Windows is affected). I'm thinking maybe it's some dll file that resco or the built-in file explorer are trying to read, but just a conjecture. Please advise if you have any suggestions.
is resco installed in the main memory or storage card?
Opening the windows folder is always slow - it has to gather info on every file, from ROM (which is slow anyway) and then gather icons for every .exe. Disable showing icons for rom files in your settings (I use gsfinder, but I'm sure Resco does this too).
V
I have resco installed in the main memory. I can try disabling the icon display. The only thing disappointing here is it was opening the Windows folder fine, until suddenly it slowed down (overnight). I tried to figure out what program I installed in the interim, but couldn't find anything. This has happened before, but was corrected with a previous backup restored. Then happened again after a few weeks. I just wish there is an answer, instead of me blaming it on software incompatibility. B/c if that's the case, I have to be careful about installing every program in the future. And with WM5, you can't always uninstall programs cleanly.
ganglion5 said:
I tried to do a search about this, but nothing came up. For some reason, whenever I tried to open my Windows folder using Resco, it takes about 8-10 seconds before it opens up.
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One way - overclock your PDA.
Speaking of overclock. Where can I find the omap overclocker? Excuse my ignorance, but I did a search on the net, it links from one site to another, but I can never find the actual site for the download. Does anyone know?
I too have noticed this problem with opening the Windows folder. I have the following observations:
1: Normally when I tap the windows folder it opens up before the spinning coloured wheel has completed one full turn.
2: When the slow down occurs it takes about 4 spins of the colured wheel before the windows folder opens up.
3: Once the slow down has occurred it can be noticed both in Resco file explorer as well as the original windows file explorer.
4: I have noticed that this slow down in opening the Windows folder is also accompanied with a slow down of the boot up time. In my case when things are working nromally a boot up takes 1 Minute and 30 Seconds. (this is the time between when I press the reset button to the time when the today screen has fully redrawn). Once the problem has occurred the boot time increased to 2 Minute and 5 seconds.
5: In my case this problem has occurrred most of the time when I have installed a new software after installing NetFront 3.3. In my case the solution that has worked is to uninstall Netfront 3.3 and then again reinstall it. In other words if I install any new software I first have to remove Netfront 3.3, install the new software and then reinstall Netfront 3.3.
By the way my device is an i-mate Jasjar but the observations are quite similar to the prophet.
Kind Regards
same here guys.. It is obvious that slow down accure after active sync or new application install. Then it makes me think it has to do with registry modification, once windows folder has been modified? Forgive me my ignorance, I’m not a programmer.. And this is just observation in an effort to find a couse and solution. Any ideas? Anybody? Cuz this is really getting on my nerves. This prophet is disappointing me a big time I have magician and prophet and when I compare two phones, with prophet over clocked to 240 (this is optimal speed before it crashes) and magician with its normal speed, both phones have same applications running and the difference is like driving the porche and old opel! Where magician is a porche! I can watch high quality, full 600 mb movie on magician without a flinch! And prophet is barely moving!! I got to tell you, I love the design and everything, but by putting an OMAP processor with WM 5 (which is slow as it is) HTC really screwed up! First they try to make a PDA out of phone, and then they are taking it back from PDA to a phone.. I’m selling it I guess Atom is the next thing for me. It’s just to darn expensive
Smrz, I think you pretty much hit it on the nose with netfront. I noticed that on my old dopod 818pro and now the jamin, the slow down occurred after netfront was installed. But I dismissed that it was due to netfront b/c I think I reinstalled it, and then it was back to normal. But I didn't think about netfront causing a conflict only IF YOU INSTALL NEW APPLICATIONS. I think I'll try reinstalling netfront again, and see if it works. What's frustrating with wm5 is I can't cleanly uninstall applications anymore. Is this unique to my machine, to prophet, or to WM5 in general. Everytime I uninstall, it says it can't do it, but it'll remove the application name from the Add/Remove menu. Meanwhile, I have to go delete the folder in program files manually. And who knows what happened to my registry and dll files during all this. BTW, anyone know where I can get that overclocker?
Windows folder
Hi,
any solution found to this problem? My normal time of opening the Windows folder is about 4 secs. After installing of any application which copies its files to Windows folder the time grows. I've tried to uninstall the application, the files are gone, free space is as before, number of files in Windows folder is the same as before, but the slowdown persists.
After installing Manila 2D for example my Windows folder takes up to 40 secs to open and everything slowed down (boot, opening apps from Windows).
Anything I can think of now is maybe a filesystem problem? (\Windows inode corrupted somehow, probably relayed to the fact that it is linked to ROM files)
P.S. I have SPV M3100 (TyTN) with WM6.
Thanks for any advice except hard reset
Hi!
I'm having the proplem that when ever I start IGO I get the message that the device is low on memory... I had that problem before and somebody in this forum had a solution (registry key or cab to remove/suppress the message) - unfortunatelly I had to do a hard reset and now I don't know what I did before - I searched in this form but It seams that the threads have been archived and can not be access anymore!?
thanks for any support!
regards
MM
i need the same info
please post something
thanks
This device low message is damn irritating, to my surprise, this problem happened to me a day back.
I basically hard reset.
Please backup before doing that.
On the Elf I have this issue.
The thing is I never reach no memory - the warning comes at ~5MB left of program memory, which is where it seems to sit on my Elf running almost any app...
Any solutions rather than just hard-resetting all the time?
Hello?
Nobody with a solution for that problem?
My elf is behaving the same way although there seems to be enough memory.
That really is annoying...
hard reset is the only solution.
vinoob said:
hard reset is the only solution.
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It's not a solution. After a hard reset, you reinstall everything, run everything, and within a few days [or even hours] the RAM fills again, and the message reappears.
A workaround will be to use a light ROM [i.e. Onyx 6 for my device, the Elf, is lighter and gives me more program memory].
A solution we are looking for is one to either fix memory leaks so these notifications never pop up, or a method to stop the low memory messages from appearing, even when the program memory is [critically] low.
check this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556416
try this
have you tried cleaning or clearing temporary files? i have encountered that once before and what i did was clear all temporary files on my phone using "Clear Temp" application... you might want to try that... hope it helps...
Did you try running any programs to free-up memory? i.e. like cleanRAM or pmClean (I run these a few times a week). If that doesn't help check to make sure you don't have any un-wanted programs loading on startup, i.e. check in your \Windows\Startup folder.
mGabby
DebLogger is already disabled.
I have MemMaid, which has both Clean and ReclaimRAM functions.
Clean my phone to get rid of Internet Explorer / Opera temporary files, which crowds the storage memory. This is not related to program memory.
ReclaimRAM saves about 800KB [supposedly] when I run it. But the message comes up at 5MB of program memory left. With an app running, my free program memory is usually around 3MB - ReclaimRAM won't remove the notifications.
Currently I get abit more program memory running WM 6.5.3 [Onyx 6 R4], but it's still not ideal...