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iphone rotating

iphone have a intresting feature, when you rotate your phone, display automatically changes to landscape
Is it somethin to do with hardware? or just a software?
if it can be done from a software is there any softwares for windows mobile out yet?

its hardware...i think it has a thing called Accelerometer

ammadeyy2020 said:
iphone have a intresting feature, when you rotate your phone, display automatically changes to landscape
Is it somethin to do with hardware? or just a software?
if it can be done from a software is there any softwares for windows mobile out yet?
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ya. i agree. it is hardware.

There was talk about doing something like this using the camera in most WM devices, but has probably been given up due to processor/battery constraints of having the camera chip detecting constantly.

It is hardware.. but i have thought about it and it is some what possible to do it. I'm not sure which phone you guys are using, but Wizard (and others with slide keyboard) has a magnetic mechanism that is used to detect if the keyboard has been slided out or not. So, I thought that, if you were to able to free enough space, and put a free sliding magnet on it, gravity will made the magnet slide to the position you want when you rotate the phone, and making the screen rotate.
Theoretically workable but.. needs some risky hardware hacking.

im using Asus P525, do u think its possible?

hanmin said:
It is hardware.. but i have thought about it and it is some what possible to do it. I'm not sure which phone you guys are using, but Wizard (and others with slide keyboard) has a magnetic mechanism that is used to detect if the keyboard has been slided out or not. So, I thought that, if you were to able to free enough space, and put a free sliding magnet on it, gravity will made the magnet slide to the position you want when you rotate the phone, and making the screen rotate.
Theoretically workable but.. needs some risky hardware hacking.
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if there is a little room you can use a mercury(kwik) switch found in a old central heating (in your house) controller

Don't know how comfortable I would be carrying a glass vial full of mercury in my pocket
... would be just as easy to get an accelerometer chip similar to what Apple uses and stick it in there.

skatsev said:
... would be just as easy to get an accelerometer chip similar to what Apple uses and stick it in there.
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http://www.ecertech.com/

ammadeyy2020 said:
im using Asus P525, do u think its possible?
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I don't think you can do that. Need to surgery to your phone.

The best option for most HTC devices is to map a button to the screen rotate option. No, not as cool as the iPhone, but it does work for quickly changing the screen view. The other option, for devices like the touch that don't have very many keys, is to paste a shortcut to screen rotate in the /windows/start menu file. This will allow you to do a screen rotate from the start screen.
I'm sure HTC and others will be incorporating automatic screen positioning to the hardware in the near future. Just be glad the WM devices can do landscape in all applications! The iPhone (currently) can only do lanscape in safari, ipod and youtube. It doesn't work when you are in e-mail, sms, maps or notes.

Are there any fingerprint authentication locks avaliable for windows mobile?

It would make a cool feature.

the hardware isn't present in the device (I've seen another htc device with fingerprint reader). If you mean, fingerprint detection by the screen, forget it ! It's not enough acurate

some hp's had it too

Lock down the user interface (Windows Mobile 6 Professional)

Hey Guyz,
Long time no see..! I have been assigned to develope a barcode scanning application using .NET Compact Framework 2.0 (I can use 3.5 if necessary).
Right then to the point, I have already developed and finished the barcode application and there came a new demand from the business team who uses the application.
Basically the devices we use are HP iPaq (Windows Mobile 6 Professional) in combination with Grabba barcode scanner. They have requested that the application I wrote starts automatically and covers the entire screen. Now as for covering the entire screen is working fine but I need to do something about starting the application when the device starts up or when a device is put to sleep by clicking the power button and then bring back, the application should start up or show up automatically.
Now I have been researching and exploring a lot of third party applications and one application so far that comes the closest to my needs is the SPB Mobile Shell. It does pretty much what I want apart from locking down all buttons.
Now what I would like to know is, is it even possible to lock down all buttons at all? If not then how would I atleast go about developing an app which behaves like a SPB Mobile Shell? I know that the SPB Mobile Shell is very complicated application but all I want if the behaviour of SPB Mobile Shell's Today screen.
If I need to start by creating my own custom shell then where would I start from?
Regards

I'm not a developer, but hopefully this will help. You would be better off looking at kiosk software such as spb kiosk, whick locks down the whole device apart from programs you specify, ie. your developed app, and any other apps that are used.

This is a virus, not an application.
You use your pocket pc only for barcode reading. Why not use just a reader which costs 10 times less??
And no, SPB is not a complicated application.

HTC-Master said:
This is a virus, not an application.
You use your pocket pc only for barcode reading. Why not use just a reader which costs 10 times less??
And no, SPB is not a complicated application.
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Please don't judge me by my post count or the type of question. This is a genuine question.
Tell me what sort of device you think I can use which costs 10 times less.
I need a device with Wi-Fi so users can take it with them while attached to the barcode scanner. Then using the Wi-Fi the application connects and talks a web service running on the intranet server so users from all around the country can manage state of things that are needed to be tracked of their movement.
This was a specific request from the CIO that users are not needed to use any other applications and thus complicate things for themselves. All they want is just to use the application without any special training.
Hope this clears things a little.

jez83uk said:
I'm not a developer, but hopefully this will help. You would be better off looking at kiosk software such as spb kiosk, whick locks down the whole device apart from programs you specify, ie. your developed app, and any other apps that are used.
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Thanks mate
I will pass this down to the chief architect so we can decide if the SPB Kiosk can do of what we need.
Cheers again.

FYI, we are going to try the PocketKiosk Builder
http://www.askarya.com/pocketpc/pocketkiosk/pk.asp
Will see how that goes.

And what about puting a link to your app in the windows\statup folder?

janemanno1 said:
FYI, we are going to try the PocketKiosk Builder
http://www.askarya.com/pocketpc/pocketkiosk/pk.asp
Will see how that goes.
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this is interesting...
(btw, http://www.hjgode.de/dev/iLock/index.html )

Another idea
Old thread, but...
Why not go for a unit with a built in barcode reader and Wifi/GPRS like the Motorola MC55 / MC75A?
Then you can use the Motorola AppCentre software which allows you to restrict which programs can be launched and presents a really simple interface for the user. I'm pretty sure you can download this software free with the serial number of one of their units.
Users will have no need to hunt for Wifi connectivity as the units have built in connectivity to the Internet. All you need is a low data allowance SIM with voice calls blocked.
The units are more expensive than the HP iPAQ, but they do more as well.
Hopefully someone might find this information useful.
HD.

will the lack of stylus be an issue?

while the gigantic 4.3" helps in making everything finger (or even foot) friendly, its still a windows mobile device. and many of the apps require some precision are written to be used with a stylus. i cant imagine using "Pocket Artist" or copy and pasting text using my finger on a WM device.
You guys think that this will be a problem with this device.

it's not a problem on the iphone, why should it be a problem on a device with a bigger screen? I don't remember ever using the stylus on my HD...never needed it. I don't expect I'll need it on this device either

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it's not a problem on the iphone, why should it be a problem on a device with a bigger screen?
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Because iPhone applications are written on the assumption that they are being used on an iPhone without a stylus. Plenty of Windows Mobile apps are written on the assumption that you are using a stylus; this includes a number of utilities built into the operating system.

I used the Leo ROM on my Xperia X1 and can say as long as you stay inside windows (or said different inside the shipped software) you won't get any problems, its very finger friendly and I never went down to an old wm 6 skin. concerns are only there if you want to use some 3rd party software. there might be a problem with finger usage like said above or somewhere else as they don't have to be finger optimized.

Personally - I think it will be fine. Also with later revisions of WM6.5 and then hopefully WM7 I think the phone will get easier IF there are any issues. The issues will only occur when you come out of the HTC Sense layer anyway, which won't be that often.

I thought HTC patented the capacitive stylus?

Lack of stylus will not be a issue at all with that huge screen...I think. We see when its in our hands. Hope it will be very soon

I'm using a TyTN II and almost never dig out the stylus. Over time I moved to apps that were finger friendly. And with the current design trends, I'm guessing even more apps will become available that don't require a stylus.
-Bob-

12aon said:
I thought HTC patented the capacitive stylus?
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afaik yes but on no pics can you find where it is placed i think and then they will probably release it with a largish price tag like the car dock...

All of you who are using resistive screens with LEO ROM, your impressions are worthless (regarding how the LEO ROM will behave on the real HD2) because resistive screens are more accurate than capacitive screens, even if you use just your finger (not to mention you can still use fingernail with resistive).
HTC said that since the LEO has capacitive screen, it can not operate well without the new MANILA, and for that reason, they said that they didn't give an option to disable MANILA, and went even further to say that if some programer will try to disable it, they did everything they could in order for him to find it "very challenging".

Noam23 said:
All of you who are using resistive screens with LEO ROM, your impressions are worthless (regarding how the LEO ROM will behave on the real HD2) because resistive screens are more accurate than capacitive screens, even if you use just your finger (not to mention you can still use fingernail with resistive).
HTC said that since the LEO has capacitive screen, it can not operate well without the new MANILA, and for that reason, they said that they didn't give an option to disable MANILA, and went even further to say that if some programer will try to disable it, they did everything they could in order for him to find it "very challenging".
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What makes you say this? There have been plenty off leo roms out that seem to leave that function intact

Noam23 said:
All of you who are using resistive screens with LEO ROM, your impressions are worthless (regarding how the LEO ROM will behave on the real HD2) because resistive screens are more accurate than capacitive screens, even if you use just your finger (not to mention you can still use fingernail with resistive).
HTC said that since the LEO has capacitive screen, it can not operate well without the new MANILA, and for that reason, they said that they didn't give an option to disable MANILA, and went even further to say that if some programer will try to disable it, they did everything they could in order for him to find it "very challenging".
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I don't use my Touch Diamond's stylus, and the Touch Diamond has a much smaller screen so I think the huge screen of the HD2, coupled with the capacitive touch sensivity, should be fine.
And if that second bit is true, I'm surprised because that means they went to the trouble of making it easy to disable TouchFLO 3D and TouchFLO on older devices...

And if that second bit is true, I'm surprised because that means they went to the trouble of making it easy to disable TouchFLO 3D and TouchFLO on older devices...
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True, because the TouchFLO 3D and TouchFLO were sold on devices with *resistive* screens, these devices can handle Windows Mobile screens without any trouble. The HD2 on the other hand has the capacitive screen, and HTC knows that operating the WM UI with such device is going to be a problem, such a problem that no one even believe capacitive will reach WM before version 7.0, yet HTC came with the MANILA 2.5 solution, so I can very much understand them when they say they don't want you to defeat MANILA 2.5.

O2 are offering me this phone as an upgrade. I need a decent keyboard and am loathed to part with my TP2!
Does anyone have any experience of using any of the screen "keyboards" for emails etc? If so, can it really replace the hardware keyboard?

May be a silly question, I don`t know much about different screen types but cant you just use another stylus instead of your finger? I always have a pen/stylus in my pocket at work and never use the provided stylus with my HD

kjt57 said:
May be a silly question, I don`t know much about different screen types but cant you just use another stylus instead of your finger? I always have a pen/stylus in my pocket at work and never use the provided stylus with my HD
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You need a special kind of stylus for capacitive screens.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-CAPACITIV...ries_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item2ea897a251

Noam23 said:
All of you who are using resistive screens with LEO ROM, your impressions are worthless (regarding how the LEO ROM will behave on the real HD2) because resistive screens are more accurate than capacitive screens, even if you use just your finger (not to mention you can still use fingernail with resistive).
HTC said that since the LEO has capacitive screen, it can not operate well without the new MANILA, and for that reason, they said that they didn't give an option to disable MANILA, and went even further to say that if some programer will try to disable it, they did everything they could in order for him to find it "very challenging".
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Very interesting information Noam23. Being able to use a phone effectively with your finger most of the time when you have to use your finger all of the time is not acceptable to me.
I also have the same issue mentioned in your other post where I would want to turn off Manila/HTC-Sense. The fact that they've tried to prevent this proves how unusable WM6.5 is on a capacitive screen.
Oh well, that's just saved me a lot of money!

Can't help but think everyone is being a little binary here
The UI is the launch pad for the device ... It will be possible to disable TouchFlo3D. HTC were probably saying this to detract people from the ever present concerns with exposure to the native OS UI.
All the other apps you use on the device have their own UI. Once launched, it is almost (back to that in a moment) irrelevant what the OS UI is. The concern will be if those desktop class apps we love on WM in spite of WM itself are not easy to use on the HD2.
I don't see many apps I have that will be a problem ... infact, the only ones would be Resco Explorer, utilities like SKtools, data entry tools like Softmaker Office and PhatNotes (although I'll probably be ok with the on screen keyboard given the capacitive touch and size of display ... and for laptop 'replacement' use, I'll use the BT Stowaway keyboard and mouse) and drawing tools .... which some I'm sure want .... I personally (and therefore subjective) have never used them ... so it isn't an issue for me.
It is true to say that PI and Flexmail could do with more focus on touch ... and given the iPhone apps Alex was working on (I'm a little out of date) ... I'm sure that will come soon.
Also .. I'm not sure if it waning enthusiasm or a change of focus ... but having used PI extensively for years ... when using Mobile Shell 3 and things like PocketBreeze, I realised I rarely went to PI any more .... With FlexMail ... it is a superb product ... but it always had problems with storage ... and after the WM client supported HTML ... it was less needed ... with TF3D ... again ... makes it even easier ... so PI will remain for micro text month view and tasks ... FM will remain for when I need to do complex searches of mail (a real weakness of the native clients on all phones), but I will rarely touch them in normal daily use.
So ... although I resisted the 'hype' around capacitive ... and thought a stylus would always be needed .... in practice ... I'd like to get an HTC capacitive stylus if it ever makes it off the drawing board ... but I doubt I'll really need one.
I used to always want the keyboard ... but after having 4 TyTNs and 3 TyTNIIs respectively before I got one that didn't have some keyboard or mech / ribbon issue .... and the TP2 that had the loose mech issue ... I finally decided I wanted to simplify all mechanical bits ... so I'm looking forward to the HD2. I like others think the 5 buttons + the rocker will allow aebutton+ control where needed in older games.
And the benefit to the Capacitive screen for me will be a smoother more responsive touch (I'm not commenting of accuracy ... because no one that hasn't used it can really comment ... and they certainly can't comment on what it maybe like if and when the HTC Stylus comes out ... if it does) .... and it should also be less reflective ... and therefore clearer in different light conditions ... and it will have a harder surface ... which will (to me) feel better.
So in summary ... given TF3D or MS3.5 will cover most of the OS UI requirements ... as well as the front end to native apps which are touch optimised and most of the big apps I will use will be fine with their own UI ... I think the HD2 with it's display and external simplicity has hit the market at the right time and will in practise be more than fine for everyone happy with a device this size that doesn't need drawing apps on day one.
I also suspect that the internal 512M + a good fast 16 or 32 GB MicroSDHC will more than meet the requirements of the WM7 1 chassis .... and in a year or 18 months ... when I have itchy feet .... I will get a ROM from XDA .... that will rejuvinate the machine ... I can't say this for certain ... and no one at present can say it will or won't be a possibility ...
Mine is on order for Clove ... it is genuinely the first time I've been excited about a WM device since the TyTNII was announced ...

Moandal said:
Very interesting information Noam23. Being able to use a phone effectively with your finger most of the time when you have to use your finger all of the time is not acceptable to me.
I also have the same issue mentioned in your other post where I would want to turn off Manila/HTC-Sense. The fact that they've tried to prevent this proves how unusable WM6.5 is on a capacitive screen.
Oh well, that's just saved me a lot of money!
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Maybe you should try it before drawing any conclusions?
Really interested in seeing how Opera performs on the HD2 and whether or not clicking links is difficult.

It's easy to tap small links on the iphone, why should it be difficult on the HD2? All this "it won't be possible to use because of the capacitive screen" debate is just FUD, IMO.

[question]multi-touch on tattoo

i've just read about sdk that allow smartphone with windows mobile and resistive screen to have multi-touch.
now the question:
is there a similar project for android device like tattoo?

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i've just read about sdk that allow smartphone with windows mobile and resistive screen to have multi-touch.
now the question:
is there a similar project for android device like tattoo?
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ralle.gade is currently working on including this in his kernel for Kiljacken's ROM

No,
ralle.gade don't work with MT now, becouse we have to wait when Wildfire kernel releases..

i see
i wish it comes fast

it isn't a real MT.. just emulating it thrugh the sw.
a real multi-touch is impossible and I think is very hard dev a software to do it..
we'd need a "hook" (maybe a "+" on the screen) to hang the position of the finger and then do the second move to do something (like rotate images..)

Wikipedia says resisting screens can support multi touch along with this reference
www.umpcportal.com/2009/02/multi-touch-comes-to-resistive-touchscreens/
I've even found that this company 'stantum' is also developing multi touch for resistive screens
i.engadget.com/2009/02/19/stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/
It basically requires the device to understand the position of both fingers along the XY coordinates and then process them accordingly.
Sent from my HTC Tattoo using XDA App

any news about MT?

hello man, the problem is that the screen hw tattoo is kind of capability, and is a hardware limitation to not support multitouch,
you could try to emulate it via sw but from what my experience is of counsel to give up, too much work for an outcome that would at most just enough

... and that is why tattoo is so cheap