Hi,
Just wondering if anyone has benchmarked their storage cards using SKtools ?
I have a 1GB Toshiba microSD and SKtools shows that the average
Read is about 10000KB/s while write is incredibly slow at 200Kb/s
The card is currently formatted using default specs (FAT). I tried formatting at FAT32 before at 8K cluster size but write speed was even slower than ... 60KB/s.
I plan to upgrade to 80x MicroSD but not sure if it will make any difference.
Any advice or figures to share as well ?
cheers
fy
If you mean that it's slow when transfering via the usb it's because HERMES only has USB1.0
Related
Hi.
I have many questions which have been skimmed across on quite a few other topics in this forum, I wish to ask more in depth questions for all you IT Brainiacs which I lookup to greatly 8)
I own a XDAIIi and a 512MB Kingston SD Card.
Using 'Storage Tools' by softwinter...
http://www.softwinter.com/storagetools.html
The SD Card is formatted:
FAT 16 (Backup FAT)
Cluster Size (The Largest Size)
I also use TomTom Navigator 3.07 with GPS 3.07.
I experience frequent lockups whilst driving.
What I am asking you guys is what is THE BEST AND ULTIMATE SD CARD to use in my XDAIIi with TomTom.
I know about all the Sandisk Ultra II/Extreme III but pocketgps.co.uk...
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/storage-card-compatibility.php
Do not advise using Sandisk cards due to their poor performance.
Do any of you guys recommened how to tweak my SD card but increasing/decreasing the cluster size or formatting the card with FAT32 !? Or are there any REG Hacks that people know of how to increase the stability of the XDAIIi using the SD Card slot.
Also are there any solid specs of HOW fast the XDAIIi SD Slot can Read/Write to SD Cards?!
Sorry to ask such harsh, to-the-point questions but I have learn so much from this forum and will be donating money soon as if I were to ask or ring the customer services of the products I own they would charge a bomb on phone calls and not answer my questions.
This forum does neither of those
Thanks in advance,
lydiachris
SD Ram XDA IIi
The only card that I have found to reliable with the XDA IIi is the Kingston, I have the 1GB version currently formated FAT16 32 Secs, 512 bytes per sector and Tom Tom functions perfectly...Hope this helps...
Hi there. thankyou for VERY quick reply.
Please could you explain more about the way you have formatted your card.
I understand the FAT16 bit but what do you by 32 SECS and 512 bytes per sector.
Thankyou again,
lydiachris
ps. I take it that you are using the standard Kingston (blue), not the elite pro version (white)
The Kingston "Elite Pro" range is miles faster than the standard kingston SD cards, and only about 20% pricier (at http://www.picstop.com/securedigital.htm). Just replaced my Kingston 256 with an Elite Pro 1GB, and Tomtom flies! (5 times faster to load)
PS if you're using Tomtom's GPS 3.07, you might wish to change to one of the earlier versions that doesn't hijack your BT stack (Pocket GPS world has loads of info and downloads for this)
Hi there. Are you serious?!? Do you have a XDAIIi ???
I am currently using a standard blue kingston 512MB SD.
But I have just bought an Elite Pro 512MB SD Card for £33 which I am quite pleased with
Please could you post some more info on the formatting question I have posted above.
How did you format your card Fredrick_Fredrickson.
Also what does the 'Cluster Size' of an SD Card mean. I understand that if you have many large files i.e. like TomTom maps (all the individual files) then it is better to have a larger cluster size than say if you have many little files like photos.
Am I correct in saying that!?
Cheers,
Lydiachris
Ps. has anyone got one of these?!?!?!
http://www.kingston.com/digitalmedia/sdultimate.asp
Very serious!
5 times quicker to load.
Just did a quick back to back ABA test, starting up Tomtom.
Kindston Elite Pro (1GB): 15 seconds
Kingston Standard (256Mb): 53 seconds
Both cards formatted FAT32 with default cluster sizes.
Test on an XDAII (not XDAIIi)
Note that the new Elite Pro cards are also blue, like the standard ones.
Hi thankyou.
That is really amazing!!!!
Could you please look further into how your cards are formatted, i.e. cluster sizes.
Why FAT32??? Doesn't this cause lockups whilst your using tomtom????!!!!!
I thought that SD Cards usually work better with the FAT16 file system?
Actually, do you experience any lockups at all with tomtom???
Regarding the colour of the cards, what colour is your elite pro card???
Because if you go on the link that I posted above, they are actually the ultimate kingston card.
With 133X read / write etc...
Cheers,
lydiachris
The manufacturer of Storage Tools says (http://www.softwinter.com/storagetools_faq.html):
Q: What file system I should use FAT12, FAT16 or FAT32?
A: It depends on the storage card size. For larger cards, 64MB and up, the answer is almost always FAT32. FAT32 can be incompatible with digital cameras.
My cluster size is:
256MB standard card: 512 bytes
1GB Elite pro: 4Kb
I've not had any trouble with lockups (touch wood)
My card colour is blue, but it is definitely an Elite Pro, not an Ultimate.
Hi,
For those experiencing lockups using TomTom 3 and XDA2i please look at my thread, its not the SD card its the Phone that causes the lockups.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=21002&highlight=
Cheers
Blue
Hi thankyou.
But how the hell do you turn your bluetooth on with flight mode enabled?!?!
It is impossible on a XDAIIi.
UNLESS your using a wired gps receiver?!?!?
SD Card and Formatting
I don't know if anyone is interested but I have done extensive testing on my XDAIIi with my Kingston Elite Pro 512MB SD Card.
Using Spb Benchmark
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/benchmark/?en
and softwinter's storage tools
http://www.softwinter.com/storagetools.html
I have tried formatting my SD Card withmany various differnt set-ups.
I.e. differnt cluster sizes, FAT 16 and FAT 32, back-up FAT or not.
And by using the 'storage card' benchmark option on SPB Benchmark I have found that my Kingston Elte Pro card functions best and fastest by formatting it like this...
FAT16
512 byte Sector Size
64KB Cluster Size
Backup FAT - NO.
Hope this helps some people, maybe other people can try with their makes of storage card and post their results.
The next 'best' format was with..
FAT32
512 byte Sector Size
32KB Cluster Size
Backup FAT - NO
Also another observation I made was if you format the card using the first set up but have
Backup FAT - YES
There is a significant decrease in speed operation.
As I said above I format my cards in my XDAIIi or through my laptops media card reader.
Hope this helps!!
Happy testing 8)
Cheers,
lydiachris
I havent looked too deeply into this, preferring to ask like .. So please don't eat me.
Its late and all ..
I'm wondering what speed the SD card reader in the Universal is?
Is it worth spending a little extra on some 60x Corsair SD cards or should I just get the bargain bin stuff since the Universal maybe doesnt have a particularly quick card reader?
Any advice welcome. I plan to use this is a system disk with seperate 512 card for my MP3's and pod casts/documents. THAT will be cheap stuff.
But for the main I need a 1gb system disk for storing apps and system stuff.
Compared to a dedicated USB card reader for the PC, the Universal is extremely slow - I have tested this with my 150X 2GB SD card. So unless you plan on using it with a PC card reader, it doesn't really matter
Accessing the SD card through activesync was at least 10 times slower than the card reader...
I did a small test with Pocket Mechanic.
1. My "normal" 2 GB sandisk gives 0.84MB/sec
2. My super duper Extreme III Sandisk 1 GB gives me a whopping 0.88MB sec.
Nr . 2 card, in my portable, writes files much, much faster than nr.1.
You can see however that in my Jasjar the difference is nearly zero.
I would say: go for the cheapest, but I am not a great technician.
Huib
Thanks guys ..
Very informative and will help me get the right card. ie. the cheapest!
-Gubbs
Hi
I have not noticed any difference between a basic Sandisk card and a so called 66x KingMax card when used in the exec.
I do notice a difference between these two cards when using them with my digicam - the multishot mode (2 frames/sec) actually works cause the camera is able to write to the card quickly enough. With the slow card, cam kept pausing to write its cache onto the card.
I am not sure that pocket mechanic tells the truth! Likewise, timing a copy from the internal flash to an SD card is not gonna give accurate results (speed of internal flash may be bottleneck). On Wm2003 devices this was possible cause RAM is loads faster than flash still.
You cant test the speed of the SD reader in the exec over activesync tho!! Its a USB 1.1 device (max 11Mbit) and on top of that activesync treats it as a 10Mbit network card. Max you'll see after overheads is thus around 1MByte/sec
Nigel
veletron said:
Hi
You cant test the speed of the SD reader in the exec over activesync tho!! Its a USB 1.1 device (max 11Mbit) and on top of that activesync treats it as a 10Mbit network card. Max you'll see after overheads is thus around 1MByte/sec
Nigel
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Certainly much better to do it that way.
Huib
ok i m having problem to decide as well...
anyone has a more concrete data about this ?
i m thinking whether to choose a normal 66x or 133x ...
getting 2gb sd card.. either transcend or pretec...
by the way exec sd slot is 1.01 or 1.1 specification?
hope someone has a benchmark to share.. thanks
1gb Scandisk does the job for me.
Watched a movie on it the other night, perfect. Plenty fast enough.
Its HTC so you can be assured it will be genius design with cheap crap chipset.
Bit like an Italian sportscar.
get one of those sd-usb card combo's....if u can find one going at a decent price.
saves the hassle of card readers. the LAST thing anyone needs is yet another wire lol
Hi there,
my 2GB SD card has just arrived and I am wondering which format is safer/faster with WM5, and which cluster size is recommendable...
Thanks,
Manuel
P.S: I benchmarked the card with Pocket Mechanic (it is an extrememory 133xSpeed) and for reading I get a value of 0.96 M/sec - thats quite slow for a 133x Card, isnt it?
IMHO the larger FAT means seek times are much slower for small file writes. In my personal experience, my old old 128MB Panasonic SD card is much faster for general usage than my 1GB Sandisk Ultra II.
Of course, if you copy movies and music onto the card, the 133x would be faster for sustained transfers...
All that, and I can't really answer your question
Can anybody tell me how I can fix my transfer speed with ActifSync 4.0.
Because if I upload the transfer rate is about 100 kb/s.
Anyone with the same phone and sd-card please help me.
Thanks
Ercan
Holland/Turkey
If you want faster transfer speeds use a card reader. Using activesync the data first gets moved to the universal, then from the universal to the memory card. This is very slow due to the limited bus speed of the universal.
But with my 512 mb card, I get normal speed. I think you dont understand how slow it is. Let me explane.
512 mb > 3 sec 1 song
4 gb > 30 sec 1 song
Yesterday I bought a Transcend 4GB 150x SD card.
It's very slow; not only when using it in my HTC Universal, but also in the cardreader in my PC.
I'm going to return it tomorrow...
Jan after reading some reviews they say that it is one of the fastest cards. I think the problem is with the reader. I can now transfer at usb 1.0 speed with Card Export II.
Are there any app. with 2.0 support?
Happy new year guys. I bought two microsd cards. One is a PQI 2GB microSD card for flashing. Another one is a Ridata 4GB microSDHC card for everyday stuff, with a speed class of 6. I don't know the class of the PQI.
I noticed that when copying files from the pc, or when just copy pasting files within the Hermes, the writing speed is very slow. For both cards, the PQI and Ritek, they're around 400 kB/s to 600 kB/s. I used both WM5torage and activesync and they're both this slow. Even for a class 2 card, such speeds are slow. I RMAed the PQI one due to CRC errors when copying. The Ridata has no errors but is still very slow.
I searched the forums and installed the SD tuneup.cab file, restarted the Hermes and its still the same writing speed, around 400kB/s. I used the microsdhc in a card reader in a pc and it writes at 6 MB/s. What could be wrong, why such a writing speed difference? I have red about posters with writing speeds as much as 9MB/s with their phones in the Hermes accessories forum.
The specs of my phone are:
Cingular 8525 Hermes 100
PDACornerPro.V27
Radio 1.56
HardSPL v7
Ridata 4GB microsdhc class 6
Any suggestions, comments? Thanks.
Mate, join the club... I don't really believe that when connected through activesync you will get very fast speed copying. Its ALWAYS been slow as a stoned snail when copying through the phone. sd card readers move like lightening in comparison.
Don't believe you're gonna find an answer to the slow speed problem.
Cheers...
You mean from the very start till now, the Hermes really writes slowly? But some people on the Hermes accessories forum have write speeds up to 9MB/s. Maybe there is a fix/tweak somewhere I don't know about and still not able to find through searching? Any ideas? Thanks.
I've never found it. Most threads I've read about this issue are lamenting the fact it has such a slow read/write speed when connected through activesync.
I generally backup and transfer files through an sd card reader.
Cheers...
Thanks for the reply. Maybe I'll just use a card reader to save time. But those folks at "What brand SDHC card is everyone using?" thread have speeds up to 9MB/s when writing. Aren't they using the Hermes? Or they're using a card reader?
Probably a card reader. They may also be talking about when transfering files to/from sd card when using the Hermes's own file manager as that is fairly fast. I use a class 6 8Gb card for reading Tomtom maps and there is no lag, had a bit previously with a 2Gb card.
I believe the hangup is in microsoft's active sync program. No0t sure about those using vista's own transfer app.
Cheers...
ultramag69 said:
Mate, join the club... I don't really believe that when connected through activesync you will get very fast speed copying. ...
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Actually, Activesync can be fast.
Activesync on an XP machine copying to my Herm100 is quite slow, a card reader is much better, but the same Activesync copied to the latest HTC (don't know the model) slidey keyboard phone's internal memory in comparatively lightening speed.
So is there different configurations or drivers for the USB connections on our phones and/or ROMS ?
G.
As you said
Ogier said:
Activesync copied to the latest HTC (don't know the model) slidey keyboard phone's internal memory in comparatively lightening speed.
G.
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Maybe something in the hardware of the newer phones because if it was software, since the chefs use the ported os of the later devices, we should also be getting better speeds if we had updated the OS. I'm currently using build 21109 and I haven't noticed a speed increases...
Thanks for the replies guys. I think its really the hardware of the Hermes that is slow. I bought a cheap $1 card reader and its very fast compared to the Hermes' own card reader. I used Sisoftware sandra to bench my cards. My RMAed 2GB PQI card writes at around 6.5 MB/s while my Ridata 4GB card writes at around 5.4 MB/s. What a difference a dollar makes