Happy new year guys. I bought two microsd cards. One is a PQI 2GB microSD card for flashing. Another one is a Ridata 4GB microSDHC card for everyday stuff, with a speed class of 6. I don't know the class of the PQI.
I noticed that when copying files from the pc, or when just copy pasting files within the Hermes, the writing speed is very slow. For both cards, the PQI and Ritek, they're around 400 kB/s to 600 kB/s. I used both WM5torage and activesync and they're both this slow. Even for a class 2 card, such speeds are slow. I RMAed the PQI one due to CRC errors when copying. The Ridata has no errors but is still very slow.
I searched the forums and installed the SD tuneup.cab file, restarted the Hermes and its still the same writing speed, around 400kB/s. I used the microsdhc in a card reader in a pc and it writes at 6 MB/s. What could be wrong, why such a writing speed difference? I have red about posters with writing speeds as much as 9MB/s with their phones in the Hermes accessories forum.
The specs of my phone are:
Cingular 8525 Hermes 100
PDACornerPro.V27
Radio 1.56
HardSPL v7
Ridata 4GB microsdhc class 6
Any suggestions, comments? Thanks.
Mate, join the club... I don't really believe that when connected through activesync you will get very fast speed copying. Its ALWAYS been slow as a stoned snail when copying through the phone. sd card readers move like lightening in comparison.
Don't believe you're gonna find an answer to the slow speed problem.
Cheers...
You mean from the very start till now, the Hermes really writes slowly? But some people on the Hermes accessories forum have write speeds up to 9MB/s. Maybe there is a fix/tweak somewhere I don't know about and still not able to find through searching? Any ideas? Thanks.
I've never found it. Most threads I've read about this issue are lamenting the fact it has such a slow read/write speed when connected through activesync.
I generally backup and transfer files through an sd card reader.
Cheers...
Thanks for the reply. Maybe I'll just use a card reader to save time. But those folks at "What brand SDHC card is everyone using?" thread have speeds up to 9MB/s when writing. Aren't they using the Hermes? Or they're using a card reader?
Probably a card reader. They may also be talking about when transfering files to/from sd card when using the Hermes's own file manager as that is fairly fast. I use a class 6 8Gb card for reading Tomtom maps and there is no lag, had a bit previously with a 2Gb card.
I believe the hangup is in microsoft's active sync program. No0t sure about those using vista's own transfer app.
Cheers...
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Mate, join the club... I don't really believe that when connected through activesync you will get very fast speed copying. ...
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Actually, Activesync can be fast.
Activesync on an XP machine copying to my Herm100 is quite slow, a card reader is much better, but the same Activesync copied to the latest HTC (don't know the model) slidey keyboard phone's internal memory in comparatively lightening speed.
So is there different configurations or drivers for the USB connections on our phones and/or ROMS ?
G.
As you said
Ogier said:
Activesync copied to the latest HTC (don't know the model) slidey keyboard phone's internal memory in comparatively lightening speed.
G.
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Maybe something in the hardware of the newer phones because if it was software, since the chefs use the ported os of the later devices, we should also be getting better speeds if we had updated the OS. I'm currently using build 21109 and I haven't noticed a speed increases...
Thanks for the replies guys. I think its really the hardware of the Hermes that is slow. I bought a cheap $1 card reader and its very fast compared to the Hermes' own card reader. I used Sisoftware sandra to bench my cards. My RMAed 2GB PQI card writes at around 6.5 MB/s while my Ridata 4GB card writes at around 5.4 MB/s. What a difference a dollar makes
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Igb Card Support
Yes I am using a San Disk Igig card for GPS Maps with no problem.
great ! thanx......
...and I use one for movies!
1 gb
i use it for my MP3s and movies as well.
what about high-speed x60 1G SD card ?
faster then normal speed ?
i'm using 1gig 60x pqi sd card. oftentimes it works. problems encountered: xda2 can't detect the sd card. never done the 3x format yet.
you won't see much in terms of speed in PPC. all these fast speed SD is meant for digital camera & video actually.
I have a 1Gig card by 'Integral' that claims to be high speed. I was having some problems running gps mapping etc from it, though for mp3's and videos it was fine.
I have now bought a 512 SanDisk Ultra 2 card and Tom Tom is much better with this card. Using a multiple file read/write test to copy from the card to itself, the new Sandisk card is significantly quicker, and Tom Tom runs/opens much better than it did with the 1Gig card. So higher speed cards do show an improvement, though not as much as when they are in a device that can take full advantage of the card, like a PC card reader for instance.
I have a x66 PQI 1Gb SD card that I run TomTom3, MP3's and store presentations on. I have had no problems with this card at all. The higher speed of the card does make difference and improves the performance to both the applications and the speed at which data is copied to the card (not using hotsync).
Ive found that some really cheap SD cards have loads of problems.
I bought a cheap card and it was terrible, kept not working, corrupting files etc. I swapped for a 1gig Sandisk, all is well, no problems at all.
I found that the 32meg NOKIA cards given with most new nokia phones a year or so ago dont work. They are totally unreliable.
You get what you pay for, the faster cards are normally more expensive, and ive noticed the difference when copying big files from ram to card.
Get the better cards, its worth it in the long run.
I havent looked too deeply into this, preferring to ask like .. So please don't eat me.
Its late and all ..
I'm wondering what speed the SD card reader in the Universal is?
Is it worth spending a little extra on some 60x Corsair SD cards or should I just get the bargain bin stuff since the Universal maybe doesnt have a particularly quick card reader?
Any advice welcome. I plan to use this is a system disk with seperate 512 card for my MP3's and pod casts/documents. THAT will be cheap stuff.
But for the main I need a 1gb system disk for storing apps and system stuff.
Compared to a dedicated USB card reader for the PC, the Universal is extremely slow - I have tested this with my 150X 2GB SD card. So unless you plan on using it with a PC card reader, it doesn't really matter
Accessing the SD card through activesync was at least 10 times slower than the card reader...
I did a small test with Pocket Mechanic.
1. My "normal" 2 GB sandisk gives 0.84MB/sec
2. My super duper Extreme III Sandisk 1 GB gives me a whopping 0.88MB sec.
Nr . 2 card, in my portable, writes files much, much faster than nr.1.
You can see however that in my Jasjar the difference is nearly zero.
I would say: go for the cheapest, but I am not a great technician.
Huib
Thanks guys ..
Very informative and will help me get the right card. ie. the cheapest!
-Gubbs
Hi
I have not noticed any difference between a basic Sandisk card and a so called 66x KingMax card when used in the exec.
I do notice a difference between these two cards when using them with my digicam - the multishot mode (2 frames/sec) actually works cause the camera is able to write to the card quickly enough. With the slow card, cam kept pausing to write its cache onto the card.
I am not sure that pocket mechanic tells the truth! Likewise, timing a copy from the internal flash to an SD card is not gonna give accurate results (speed of internal flash may be bottleneck). On Wm2003 devices this was possible cause RAM is loads faster than flash still.
You cant test the speed of the SD reader in the exec over activesync tho!! Its a USB 1.1 device (max 11Mbit) and on top of that activesync treats it as a 10Mbit network card. Max you'll see after overheads is thus around 1MByte/sec
Nigel
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You cant test the speed of the SD reader in the exec over activesync tho!! Its a USB 1.1 device (max 11Mbit) and on top of that activesync treats it as a 10Mbit network card. Max you'll see after overheads is thus around 1MByte/sec
Nigel
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Certainly much better to do it that way.
Huib
ok i m having problem to decide as well...
anyone has a more concrete data about this ?
i m thinking whether to choose a normal 66x or 133x ...
getting 2gb sd card.. either transcend or pretec...
by the way exec sd slot is 1.01 or 1.1 specification?
hope someone has a benchmark to share.. thanks
1gb Scandisk does the job for me.
Watched a movie on it the other night, perfect. Plenty fast enough.
Its HTC so you can be assured it will be genius design with cheap crap chipset.
Bit like an Italian sportscar.
get one of those sd-usb card combo's....if u can find one going at a decent price.
saves the hassle of card readers. the LAST thing anyone needs is yet another wire lol
I have a new Jasjar and the package came with a 2GB SD card. The supplier tells me it should be a 60x card but in Pocket Machanic the benchmark says it is 4x on read and just 0.2x on write.
This is my one and only SD card so I have no others to compare. Is it possible Pocket Mechanic uses a different measurement method and that program just gives low figures for all SD cards? Or is my card really a slow one?
Can someone with PM give me some benchmark figures for their SD card so I know whether I have a slow card or not.
And should I expect a 2GB card to perform more slowly than say a 1GB card?
On my Exec using a 4GB 150X Transcend card, I'm only getting 0.7MB/s read and 0.2MB/s write (benchmarked by PocketMechanic)
Like in most other PPCs and PPCPEs, the SDIO interface is low speed so no matter how fast your SD card can run, you'll be limited to the speeds of the SDIO interface on your Universal.
Good observation O2. Actually I find it a bit surprising the Universal would have a slower than normal SDIO interface. After all it is just about the most expensive (if not THE most expensive) PDA/phone available. I guess I expected better - er, if that really is the cause of our slow SD card performance.
Hi.
There's one question which has not been asked yet (I think) and that's about USB Speed.
When I connect my HTC Touch Cruise to the PC and start a file transfer I get speeds around 250kb/s. What about the new Leo? Is there any improvement?
when syncing mp3s with wmp I get around 2-3MB/s but I haven't tried large files yet. using the included 2gb card of course!
With an A-Data MicroSDHC 8GB class 6, transferring a 680MB file I'm at full speed.
I mean that I'm getting 5-6MB/s!
The transfer speed of the HD2 is a joke when compared to the USB 2.0 specs and the extremely low transfer speeds does not have anything to do with the cards used.
There is a big difference in the speed of ANY card when used with hd2 compared to a card reader. And the truly limiting factor is only the hd2.
When i'm in "disk drive" (not activesync) mode the write transfer speed to the sd card is only about 1.8 MB/s which i think extremely slow. The read speed is only ~3.5 MB/s.
I've tried that with 2 different cards, both 2 GB sandisk.
When i plug them into my PC or notebook using an USB-adapter i have the write speed ~5.5 - 6 MB/s and read is ~ 8-9 MB/s.
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So the speed is about 3x higher in any card reader.
Take alook at the following thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=628582&highlight=usb+speed
nicky-xda said:
The transfer speed of the HD2 is a joke when compared to the USB 2.0 specs
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Don't forget this is going through activesync, which is a protocol that really isn't meant for large file transfers. And that previous phones were only doing a couple hundred kB/s.
Use Disk drive mode when transferring big files. Hits 5MB/s.
@kilrah:
please read my posting above:
When i'm in "disk drive" (not activesync) mode the write transfer speed to the sd card is only about 1.8 MB/s which i think extremely slow. The read speed is only ~3.5 MB/s.
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OK then, but in that case you're off-topic as the thread was about activesync
Anyway, I can't duplicate that. In disk drive mode I have 4.5MB/s writes and 6.5MB/s reads, similar to what someone else mentioned earlier. With a 8GB class 6 Sandisk card.
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OK then, but in that case you're off-topic as the thread was about activesync
Anyway, I can't duplicate that. In disk drive mode I have 4.5MB/s writes and 6.5MB/s reads, similar to what someone else mentioned earlier. With a 8GB class 6 Sandisk card.
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Yup, same here; I got fast speeds when not in Activesync and applied tweaks to my Win 7.
It is also notable that unless tweaked, Win Vista and Win 7 copy files poorly (even between 2 different physical hard drives!) so compounded with Activesync, Windows may be contributory factor to the OP's problem.
i bought this new card and was happy that i have a fast card now and that the transferring data with usb connection would be faster, but it is not.
The writing speed is between 3-5 MB/s, not better then my old Sandisk 16gb class2 card.
I have aMAGLDR v1.13 with CWM v.5.0.2.7.
I use the usb mount from CWM and transfer data through it, but it is really a disappointment. I format the card through different ways, all without any success.
On the my computer the card is not faster with FAT32 (with the micro sd adapter), when i format the card to NTFS it is really fast, but i can not use it on my phone with NTFS. Is Fat32 the problem here?
Does someone have the same card and could approve this problems or am i the only one?
thanks in advance /masteroe
try this..
get into android and see if this app works...it will increase the cache...you should see difference..
thanks, i tried this already without any success.
it seems that the problem is not this value. In the CWM this value is not interesting at all.
As i told you on Windows i have same performance issues with FAT32....
If you bought your SD card from Ebay you probably bought a fake Class 10
domimatik said:
If you bought your SD card from Ebay you probably bought a fake Class 10
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it is not from the bay it is a original card (i hope) from amazon.
Class 10 only assures you of 10MB/S on sequential write, so if the card has been written to a few times there could be some drop due to fragmentation. Also, there are various overheads to consider, moving the data about, issuing the write command to each block, wait for a confirmed write response, blahblah.
Here
http://www.smxrtos.com/articles/whiteppr/flashperformance.htm
Is a (very) technical explanation, which rather happily (or not) examines a 10MB/S raw write speed SD as an example (scroll way down) and calculates an actual write speed at 5MB/S.
samsamuel said:
Class 10 only assures you of 10MB/S on sequential write, so if the card has been written to a few times there could be some drop due to fragmentation. Also, there are various overheads to consider, moving the data about, issuing the write command to each block, wait for a confirmed write response, blahblah.
Here
http://www.smxrtos.com/articles/whiteppr/flashperformance.htm
Is a (very) technical explanation, which rather happily (or not) examines a 10MB/S raw write speed SD as an example (scroll way down) and calculates an actual write speed at 5MB/S.
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thanks for your information, but i think there is an other problem, my class 2 card is faster as it seems . I'm copying 700 MB with 1,5MB at the moment, that is really frustrating....
hehe yea i know what you mean, mine always runs far slower than it probably should too, one point some meg/s, for both my class 2 and a class 6, never any faster, either through cwm, android usb mass storage, or my card reader. (Lots of built in card readers are just usb readers mounted to internal usb headers, and are often only usb1, which doesn't help, , usb has a lot of overhead, lots of info regarding usb overhead here http://www.smxrtos.com/articles/usb_art/usbperf.htm (if a little old))
i will give back the card. This card does not make sense with HTC HD2..
Thread can be closed ! Thanks anyway ..