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Newbie questions - M5000 Email Options

Hi,
I have just upgraded from a very tired SE P900 to an Orange SPV M5000/HTC Universal and so far am loving it.
I run several email accounts and would like to be able to monitor at least two or three of them from the M5000, collecting the emails seperately as opposed to forwarding them all to a central inbox but there doesn't seem to be any logical way of doing it.
Also, what is the cheapest way of setting up some sort of push email functionality - I have only just started to look into this and see that Orange charge extra for the service.
I have updated (after problems with the Country ID error) to Orange's AKU2 ROM and have Exchange Server 2003 installed and have access to fixed IPs on the web, etc so can do a lot of things from my end.
Most of the time I will be using it at 3 different sites where I have wireless access and then occasionally would want to use either 3G or GPRS, whatever is available.
Any pointers would be appreciated.

For three seperate e-mail accounts, I'm not sure how to do that with normal POP email.
However, I myself run an IMAP server instead, and it keeps the IMAP emails in a seperate folder for each account. And as a big plus, everything you do is automatically synched between your email clients (e.g. when I read something on my phone, it's also marked as read on my PC)

I hadn't considered IMAP, however how do you deal with sending messages so that they go out of the different messages?
I need to ensure that the messages from the three accounts are kept totally separate with no confusion between sending addresses.

jvoelcker said:
I hadn't considered IMAP, however how do you deal with sending messages so that they go out of the different messages?
I need to ensure that the messages from the three accounts are kept totally separate with no confusion between sending addresses.
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I'm not sure with multiple IMAP accounts, but I do know that if you press "New", it'll just start the message with the current account you're browsing. So if I'm browsing the SMS inbox and press "New" it'll send as a text message, and in IMAP it'll send as an email.
Think your best option would be to test

Sorry, I am a newbie to this. Would you tell me what is IMAP?? and how do i set it up to check my email account?? is it sort of like the push email??
Thx
Maggie

The two main protocols for collecting email on the web are POP3 and IMAP - with POP3 your mail gets delivered into a POP3 mailbox at your ISP and you then login with your mail program to download the emails to your local machine.
IMAP was developed on the basis of leaving your emails on the server and then only grabbing the headers or message bodies that you are interested in reading.
For example I run my own Exchange server and connect to exchange from my desktop to read/send emails. I can then use IMAP from my Universal to connect and give me a view of my message on the Exchange server - it downloads the headers and shows the ones I have read/not read. When I read a message on the Universal it is marked as read back on the Exchange server and appears as read on my desktop and vice versa - this way I don't have any duplicate messages.
Sorry, a bit long winded, but should give you an idea of how handy it can be - the biggest problem is that few ISPs openly support it due to the message store overhead.

Thank you Julian. What program should i use for Imap???
I wanna give it a try. Is there any other softwares out there which givesyou the blackberrry function??

Pre-purchase question (Vista and others)

I'm looking at possibly getting the MDA Vario II in a few months on a web'n'walk tariff, but before I jump in I've decided to do some real indepth research;
- Does the handset support "push" e-mail?
- I have a GMail account which I use as my primary account; can I use this as a "push" mail account at all?
- Is it/will it be compatible with Windows Vista and Office 2007?
- Does it have Adobe Acrobat reader? Or is it compatible with the handset?
- Is it compatible with a TomTom 910 unit?

I've since attained that it does support push e-mail, but I don't know what to do with my GMail account, any suggestions are welcomed.
The TomTom unit is dubious, but I'm game for a laugh.

GMail doesnt support push. You can fwd gmail to a free exchange account. Please search for details.
PDF viewer is pre-installed. "adobe Acrobat" is not, but based on the former the latter isn't necessary.
It is compatible w/vista, not sure about Office 2007.

@Trapper
I forward GMail to a free mail2web.com Live Push Email account, works great. But keep in mind that Push email generates network traffic, so get a good data plan, or use polling settings very carefully (disable when roaming).
Friend of mine is using his Tytn with TT 910 over Bluetooth, works.
Outlook 2007 with Tytn works fine, using it since a few months, never had a problem. Just keep in mind that Outlook Mobile on your Tytn cannot read the new .docx Word format, so save in old .doc format. Office can also save directly to PDF, which you can port to your Tytn.
Think about the Tytn´s keyboard and size involved, if you dont need it, get the Trinity instead.

Lucas0511 said:
@Trapper
I forward GMail to a free mail2web.com Live Push Email account, works great. But keep in mind that Push email generates network traffic, so get a good data plan, or use polling settings very carefully (disable when roaming).
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How much does it cost? I've had a quick look and I can't work it out. Also, does this mean that I won't be able to access my account at www.google.com/mail and it will be filtered?

The free mail2web live account is...Free! You will still be able to access your email from gmail.com.
Ninja1

You can set gmail up as a pop account. It doesn't "Push" but you can have the phone automatically check the account periodically.
It is compatible with Vista. Vista even has a nice little new program that replaces ActiveSync that works pretty well. It's still in beta, and thus has a few quirks, but works pretty well.
Yes it supports push email. I have mine coming through an exchange server.
It has a PDF reader built-in, but I prefer the mobile version of Foxit pdf reader.
No idea about the TomTom though.

Perhaps some more information that can help you
As others stated, it does support push email. mail2web is a good free exchange service. Another one is 4smartphone (not free).
To get push email to work with gmail (or any other email).
1. Sign up with mail2web or any other exchange host. i-mate provides this for free for their users after you sign up at their site.
2. Set up the sync settings on the device. Things to watch out here:
* You cannot set up an external exchange service on the device when it is plugged into the PC with ActiveSync running (the menu is disabled on the device). You must disconnect it from the USB and then add a new server resource.
3. Forward your email to your mail2web (or other exchange) account. In gmail there are two ways to do this. Either you forward all mail to mail2web, or you setup a filter so that only certain mail is forwarded. I prefer the filter method because I do not want to have mailing list emails forwarded to my device. To setup my filter, I just put my gmail address in the To: box, and then had the action set to forward it to my mail2web. This way, only messages directed to me will be forwarded, not those going to the mailing list address.
Mail appears in both places: in your gmail inbox and on the phone. If you delete from the phone, it only removes it from your exchange account and not from your gmail inbox.
4. For all other accounts, you can set them up separately in the device and have it poll the servers every 5 or 10 minutes. I use this for our corporate IMAP server.
5. Your push email shows up in your Outlook E-mail folder in messaging.
I have used it with Outlook 2007 without incident. There is a new ActiveSync beta out which helps.
I'm not sure about TomTom -- but any bluetooth receiver will work. I have used Navigon5 and I can confirm it works.
Hope this helps

Another question, which is of a big concern to me is; do T-Mobile UK release ROM updates for the handset? And if so where from?
When I worked for o2, we released them through www.my-xda.com and that was a dream to install and action.
One final question, is it possible that future Hermes ROMs may use Crossbow?

Thanks for the info fyrestrtr. It sounds like if you use a service like mail2web, you can view your mail on your phone using push and still use your Gmail account but that any messages you view over your phone won't get marked as read in your Gmail account until you view them there as well. Is this correct?

trapper said:
Another question, which is of a big concern to me is; do T-Mobile UK release ROM updates for the handset? And if so where from?
When I worked for o2, we released them through www.my-xda.com and that was a dream to install and action.
One final question, is it possible that future Hermes ROMs may use Crossbow?
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Very unlikely to ever see an official upgrade from HTC, HTC has their mind set on 2007 models, not the old Hermes. Even ROM updates will address just the most pressing issues, dont expect miracles these days
Yes Mail2Web works as you assume. Just carefull with Push polling traffic, can amount to up to 15 megs per month just for polling. If you ride on a low volume data plan, you might get burned....

Slow Push Mail for Hotmail

My push mail from Hotmail seems to be moving very slow lately and it is very anoying. Things like this make me miss my blackberry. I deal with alot of email a day and I need my emails to come to me quickly. I noticed when I installed the hotmail account the windows direct push icon can't be selected like when I had my @live.com email address. I dropped live because it decided to lock me out and not let me back in. Does anyone have any sugestions? I also don't want to deal with getting emails through another server.
THANKS
-Jim

I noticed that using Windows Live as its good times and bad times. Sometimes emails seem to come instantly and sometimes they seem delayed.
I know you said you prefer not to use a different server, but I must say, if you're willing to pay, then an Exchange server is the best.
If don't mind an @mail2web.com email address, you can set that up for free, but it won't be HTML.
If you have your own domain you can pay for a business account for about $20/month (including taxes). This allows you to use your own domain name, plus it uses Exchange 2007 so it offers HTML email. You can also sync your contacts, tasks, and calendar.
Another option is to use the Sprint Email app. I used that for a while and it seemed pretty fast too.
Now that I have that Exchange server, I can't see myself going back to anything else.

I just wanted to add that I think an Exchange Server will give you the closest thing to a Blackberry experience on Windows Mobile. Some people even say its better than Blackberry.

I am in no way affliated with them, but if you have your own domain to use for hosting, I love Sherweb; they're only about $8/month for hosted Exchange 2007. However, you're not going to be able to use your hotmail/live.com email address on a hosted Exchange server, since Hotmail won't auto-forward and you can't setup a reply-to address on the Exchanger server end (workarounds are possible, but messy).

I'd rather try to setup my sprint mail. if I add another twenty bucks on my bill I will be back up to black berry prices. how would I setup my sprint mail for push? when I setup the mail it asks me for how often to check for messages. the hotmail lets me select as items come. sprint does not seem to have an automatic email retrieve option unless I am doing something wrong?

Bigjim1488 said:
I'd rather try to setup my sprint mail. if I add another twenty bucks on my bill I will be back up to black berry prices. how would I setup my sprint mail for push? when I setup the mail it asks me for how often to check for messages. the hotmail lets me select as items come. sprint does not seem to have an automatic email retrieve option unless I am doing something wrong?
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You wouldn't actually be setting up your Sprint email account, but the Sprint Email program that should be in your Start > Programs menu. It should walk you through all of the steps to push your hotmail/live account.

Now for the stupid question. I reinstalled my hotmail email using the sprint email application and I have two hotmail email icons now. Is there anyway to remove the old one with out hard reseting and doing it all over again? Also would you know how to setup another email account with the sprint email option or is it just a one time thing?
THANKS!

I don't even rely on Windows Live Push email anymore.
I use mail2web , check out mail2web.com
They offer free exchange server push so you can just forward your mail to that address.
Check them out its the best.

mfpreach said:
I don't even rely on Windows Live Push email anymore.
I use mail2web , check out mail2web.com
They offer free exchange server push so you can just forward your mail to that address.
Check them out its the best.
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I hear you, I just find it frustrating to have to do all of this in order to have push mail. Something that is available but it seems to be a broken system.....thanks Microsoft

Try this...I found it at our friends ppcgeeks. http://community.seven.com/forum/main.php
Quite a few ppl from ova there use it. I've been using it about a week now and it works pretty good. Even has a home tab to let you know its connected and pushing. The longest an email has taken was 10 min and the shortest about 1 min. Its better than outlook logging on and syncing process and it is full HTML support. It also can have upto i think 5 dif emails

Push
Another option for email is www.mobipush.com

Difference between push mail and mail client

Can someone please explain me what is the difference between push mail option and mail client, I am not sure I even know what push email is....
Thanks

Bence said:
Can someone please explain me what is the difference between push mail option and mail client, I am not sure I even know what push email is....
Thanks
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Push-mails is supported by Outlook, and if your mail-server supports it too then you can activate it through the option in ConnManager.
Push-mail is in short, e-mails that gets "pushed" from the mail-server to your client (in this case your HD2/LEO) as soon as they arrive on the mail-server.
This goes for POP3 servers and so forth...
If you are using a hotmail or a live mail, then you can access the push-mail feature through the WindowsLive application on your device.
Just set it to recieve e-mails as soon as they arrive...
A very un-technical explanation, hope it helped

It helped, thanks
So push mail is something like: keep checking for new email all the time?
And I guess I need const. data connection or connected wlan for that, which eats my battery even more?

A mail client is a sfotware that connects to mail servers and allows you to read, write, receive and send mails.
Usually, your mail client connects to the inmail server when you tell him to do so (every x minutes or when you click the check mail button) and asks it if you've got new mail.
In the case of push mail, there's a permanent connection between your software and your mail server. As soon as the server gets a mail for you, he'll tell your client.

Bence said:
It helped, thanks
So push mail is something like: keep checking for new email all the time?
And I guess I need const. data connection or connected wlan for that, which eats my battery even more?
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Absolutely.

Bence said:
So push mail is something like: keep checking for new email all the time?
And I guess I need const. data connection or connected wlan for that, which eats my battery even more?
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Actually, no. With push mail, the client on your device isn't checking for new mail all the time. It's the opposite - it doesn't check at all. The server will notify it when there's new mail, and it will download it. Yes you do need an open connection but an "open" connection stays idle most of the time, your device doesn't do anything. To keep it alive, your client will only send very small packets ("heartbeats") to the server once in a while, so there is some overhead.
With classic non-push mail fetching the client will poll the server at set intervals. In order to do it, it will log in, check mail, download and log off. If there's no mail this traffic, CPU cycles, and therefore energy drawn from your battery are wasted. The overhead traffic is much more than in push scenario.
So push mail doesn't use more traffic than regular polling. Or at least there are many scenarios where it doesn't. It's safe to assume that if you check mail once a day or so you'll be better off with classic polling approach, but push will actually save your traffic and battery if you poll every 15 minutes or so.

Lamsebamsen said:
Push-mail is in short, e-mails that gets "pushed" from the mail-server to your client (in this case your HD2/LEO) as soon as they arrive on the mail-server.
This goes for POP3 servers and so forth...
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Wrong. There's no push for POP3. On WM, push mail is done via Exchange ActiveSync. Same goes for Gmail. IMAP has a command called IDLE, which lets the connection between the server and the client to stay open, and the server can initialte mail fetching ("push" messages, in other words). But WM has no native support for this.
So if you want push mail, you need an Exchange account (with Live, or Gmail, or another service), or a third-party client that will emulate push in the Apple/iPhone way - their server will keep connections with your mail services and will notify a program installed on your phone when new mails arrive by using various methods. I don't know exactly how they do it but there may be several approaches - i.e. by installing a server on your phone or by sending a specially crafted SMS that will initiate mail fetch.

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Actually, no. With push mail, the client on your device isn't checking for new mail all the time. It's the opposite - it doesn't check at all. The server will notify it when there's new mail, and it will download it. Yes you do need an open connection but an "open" connection stays idle most of the time, your device doesn't do anything. To keep it alive, your client will only send very small packets ("heartbeats") to the server once in a while, so there is some overhead.
With classic non-push mail fetching the client will poll the server at set intervals. In order to do it, it will log in, check mail, download and log off. If there's no mail this traffic, CPU cycles, and therefore energy drawn from your battery are wasted. The overhead traffic is much more than in push scenario.
So push mail doesn't use more traffic than regular polling. Or at least there are many scenarios where it doesn't. It's safe to assume that if you check mail once a day or so you'll be better off with classic polling approach, but push will actually save your traffic and battery if you poll every 15 minutes or so.
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Actually, ActiveSync still polls the server at regular intervals. However, the server will hold the request until the end of that interval. If there's no change during this interval, server will return OK, and the phone will issue a new request. But as soon as there is a change (i.e. new mail), the server will send his response to the request, telling the phone there's new mail.
That's called long polling and isn't real push as Blackberry, but it still delivers mail instantly.

It doesn't poll the server, it rather pings it to keep the connection alive, which happens every several minutes. With polling, the amount of data is much greater.

According to Microsoft, it does :
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa997252(EXCHG.80).aspx

Have you actually read the article? The client pings the server and only syncs when there is new stuff.

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Have you actually read the article? The client pings the server and only syncs when there is new stuff.
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Yep, read it. But as it says, there's been some change since winmo 5 :
Windows Mobile 6.1 includes improvements to the synchronization process. With Windows Mobile 6.1, the concept of "parking a request" remains. However, Windows Mobile 6.1 supports Exchange ActiveSync version 12.1. Exchange ActiveSync 12.1 supports parking the actual synchronization request, not only the ping request. Therefore, if new content arrives within the configured time limit, the HTTP response to the synchronization request will contain content. This behavior speeds content transfer and helps extend battery life on the device.
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So? The quote you give doesn't change anything. It says that the "New item in Inbox" response at T=26 on the diagram will come with actual data to make things faster, use less traffic and save battery. It doesn't say that the client issues sync requests all the time, and that's what matters to distinguish between polling and pinging. Because with the push scenario, the server knows how many messages the client has, what's the last downloaded message ID is etc. With polling you refresh and recalculate this stuff, and exchange all this information between the client and the server every time you hit Send/Receive (or at regular intervals). This causes much more overhead, together with logging in and off every time. You can see what happens every time without push when you open ActiveSync and hit Sync. Or look at the status line on the bottom of Outlook when you hit Send/Receive. With push it's just a tiny ping packet.

[Q] Native email application does not respect global auto-sync setting

So, something I haven't found a good answer after several Internet searches.
I have set up a corporate email account to Exchange ActiveSync server of my company. The sync settings under this account is set to send an email to me as soon as it arrives to my company email (push sync).
Okay so, my actual question is that, should global 'auto-sync data' setting also disable this native email client push synchronization?
Because it does not, for me. It's so annoying to receive and read work emails on my work laptop, and moment later notice and dismiss all this also on my Nexus.
Bonus question for pros: is this actually something that Exchange server can enforse / affect as, after all, it has set itself as my phone device administrator?
I'm on CM10.1 by the way.

A lot of views resulted in no information, it means this shall drown into depths of the Internet as another dead end.
Guess I'll disable Email sync manually in-app when ever I don't want it to sync.
Thanks for the views though!