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Got the green light to get a hermes!

So, after discussing the options to repair my old blue angel (cracked digitizer ), the accountant (AKA The Wife(tm)) gave me the green light to get a hermes.
My question: Which one to get? I know of the first generation having the touchscreen problems and loose keyboards, but I can't seem to find anything that identifies the models that have these problems.
I see on ebay and various places the occasional Softbank. I am aware of the "dangers" of getting a softbank that is not unlockable/flashable, but with a price usually considerably lower than the other versions of the phone (HTC, Vodaphone, etc), they are tempting, but if they are already unlocked, I question the ability of the unit to accept different ROM's.
Anyone have any advice on what to look for/versions to avoid? Thanks!

Why don't you get the HTC TyTN II aka HTC Kaiser?

I would wait until the Kaiser is out and get that. It will be the latest and no need to upgrade for a while.

If you're sure you want to go with a Hermes (nothing wrong with that) instead of waiting on the Kaiser, take a look at this wiki page for problems with different models. At this point I don't think there are really any major problems on the newest models.
Also, when I shopped around for mine the 8525 was generally the cheapest available here in the states. If you go with an 8525, maybe look for an AT&T branded phone, as that should be one of the newest production models (won't get stuck with an old one with alignment issues).

Well, as much as I would love to get a Kaiser, the cost is high enough that it is not really an option. I'm seeing the Hermes going for around $400 to $500 used, with pre-orders for the Kaiser for almost $800. I may try to go that route still.
I've looked at the wiki, however, as is the case, sometimes people don't have the time to update it, so I thought I'd check with those who are currently using them now.
And the 8525... I've avoid that one. Something about AT&T/Cingular removing features from the phone and the fact that I'm seeing a more of those for sale over any other model kind of worries me.
I really like the look of the softbank, I'm just worried that if I get one unlocked, that it was done in a way that would prevent me from flashing a custom ROM on it.

Well, I recently bought a Softbank X01 for myself. The stock I got seems to have been made in July and so far it's performing nicely. The ebay seller said it was unlocked for use on the networks in my area (Rogers Canada) and sure enough it is. It also came flashed with a Dopod ROM of WM6 which was a bonus for me, as I 've never flashed ROMs onto things before.
The only problem was the keyboard layout didn't match what the software thought it was -- that is to say, I just had to tweak which keyboard version I had installed and then all symbols on hardware keyboard were in correct position.
If it helps, here's the seller I got it from. I did the local pickup, but they apparently have shipping too.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/New-SoftBank-X01...ryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

For the record, the only thing different about the 8525 is the lack of the front facing VGA 3G video camera. Since there is no 3G video call capabilities in the US, there's no need to have it. The 8525 is a HERM100 device. See here for an explanation.
The likely reason that they are available all over is the fact that AT&T subsidizes the cost of the phone. For instance, I can buy the phone through my business account for $300 with free activation, free shipping, etc. If I wasn't lazy, I'd pay the $300 and sell it on ebay. Also, the 8525 is the only one available from a carrier in the US. So if you're looking on ebay.com, that's just what you're going to see. Just like you'd probably see a lot of Dopods in south east Asia.
There's nothing wrong with the 8525. Other than the front camera, the only differences between the 8525 and any other Hermes is purely cosmetic. I've had mine for 6 months, and it's been rock solid.

Toleraen said:
For the record, the only thing different about the 8525 is the lack of the front facing VGA 3G video camera. Since there is no 3G video call capabilities in the US, there's no need to have it. The 8525 is a HERM100 device.
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Toleraen said:
There's nothing wrong with the 8525. Other than the front camera, the only differences between the 8525 and any other Hermes is purely cosmetic. I've had mine for 6 months, and it's been rock solid.
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Thank you, that's good to know. I do have to admit that the price difference is considerable enough that it is tempting.
I would just hate to get one then tomorrow T-Mo/AT&T/some new carrier named grasshopper announces that they are rolling it out in my area.
I'm sure the chances of that happening are about as much as a little man dressed in red starting a brisk trade in ice skates, but one never knows.
Is there any software that makes use of the front camera if one is not using it for video calls?
Oh, I can't seem to find an answer on this one either: Can the hermes make/take a voice call while the data (GPRS/EDGE/whatever) is active?

The 8925/"Tilt" is coming out on Monday. The price difference will likely only be $100 to $150. I'd probably go with the Tilt instead if it is within your budget.
It can take voice calls when the data is active. Most of us probably keep the data connections active all the time.

You can take a call while using data, but if you're on GPRS/EDGE the data will disconnect while you're on the call, but automatically reconnect. If you're in 3G coverage you can use both at the same time. I'm pretty sure that's true for any phone though. I don't believe T-Mobile in the US has rolled out any 3G coverage either.

OK, thanks for all the info. It's given me some things to consider and think about.

My 8525 on Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270170686255
New Refurb from ATT. Unlocked and you pick OS.

golly wow me! another BIG contributor divesting himself of his 8525! wonder whats going on..
is the kaiser out? been out of circulation for awhile..

The auction end tomarrow. 1045ish AM EST.

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Funny, but while waiting for the Kaiser I have grown to like a device that I thought I would never like.....The BlackJack.
Other than wifi, the BlackJack is actaully more stable than the Hermes. Also if WM6 with internet sharing ever comes out from ATT (It has been delayed AGAIN) for the BlackJack there may be more reasons to stay with the BlackJack. But when I get bored I want something to play with so once the developing gets going I will get a Kaiser for fun.
Also....keep bidding all proceeds go to the savings account for future Kiaser fun

wpbear said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270170686255
New Refurb from ATT. Unlocked and you pick OS.
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I'm definitely tossing my Unlocked 8525 on Ebay or offer it to a friend once the Tilt comes out. Hopefully it lives up to the hype and ATT doesn't kill everything good about it to me GPS.

Dylan255 said:
I'm definitely tossing my Unlocked 8525 on Ebay or offer it to a friend once the Tilt comes out. Hopefully it lives up to the hype and ATT doesn't kill everything good about it to me GPS.
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I wouldnt wait too long if you want a decent price for it. I sold my original one in mid August and got $365 easy and definitly couldve gotten more but I priced it low since the device was a year old. Now I am having a hard time getting $300. On Att website refurb with 2 year contract and SIM locked they are $200. So I would say the market is not as good now for the seller and will get worse at the Kaiser goes mainstream.

wpbear said:
Funny, but while waiting for the Kaiser I have grown to like a device that I thought I would never like.....The BlackJack.
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I have a Blackjack but I use my 8525 instead. The only real problem I have with the Blackjack is the lack of screen real estate.
I haven't found it to be all that stable compared to the 8525. However I have only recently started using these forums. Are there any better ROMs for the Blackjack that I should look at? Seems the AT&T standadr install on the BlackJack is pretty plain, nothing special. Suggestions?
Again, it still is lacking in screen. I wish they would have thought that one out. It's a nifty little device but doesn't compare to my 8525 as far as I have seen.

Imagio is up on VZ, who's getting one?

I'm tempted to buy one, I did just buy a TP2 though
So who's buying one?

I am going to give back my TP2 today and order one from the store. The better camera is more important to me than the keyboard. I have young kids and the TP2 camera sucks unless I can get them to stay still which isn't possible. Plus the reduced weight will be nice too. I really do like the TP2 as it is the best phone I have used however I think the Imagio will be better for my specific needs.
Update: Well now I read a review that even though it is higher MP the camera still sucks, so maybe I'll stick with my TP2 after all.

To bad your on verizon. I would say get a Touch HD2. It has flash. The 5mp camer on my diamond2 is actually loads better than that on the TP2. It all depends on lighting though.In Good light it's awesome but low light you can't tell a difference between the TP2 and TD2.

Just ordered the Imagio.
Every review I've seen or read said that the camera was tons better on the Imagio when compared with the TP2. The only thing that I don't like is that nobody seems to be working on a Leo Rom for the Imagio!!!!!!! Its killing me! Why do CDMA phones get left out when it comes to ROMS? I even offered $500 for a ROM for the Imagio and am willing to go even higher but....nothing!!!!

i got it anyway
I just ordered it anyway. While I would love to hack it basically the 6.5 ROM with unlocked GPS has everything I need so I can wait on the unlocking. I would imagine since the CDMA TP2 and Imagio have the same specs other than the keyboard/camera that the ROMs will be compatible. Now it will just be the very long wait for the hard spl.

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Every review I've seen or read said that the camera was tons better on the Imagio when compared with the TP2. The only thing that I don't like is that nobody seems to be working on a Leo Rom for the Imagio!!!!!!! Its killing me! Why do CDMA phones get left out when it comes to ROMS? I even offered $500 for a ROM for the Imagio and am willing to go even higher but....nothing!!!!
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I agree, with you there not much activity in the CDMA Topaz (Imagio) section. I'm going to post a Imagio vs. Pure thread in the Topaz General to see if it draws interest to the Imagio

I decided to skip the keyboard on the TP2 and dive into this one. I didnt use the keyboard my touch pro has as much as i thought i would. Kind of a pain to slide it open every 2 minutes.

Chalk up another one that switched from TP2 to the Imagio (goofy name for a phone). I had the TP2 since launch and I found the phone to be very good. But since I rarely used the keyboard (I hate texting) I found that the Imagio looked sexier and already has 6.5 installed (should not be a issue once the phones are unlocked). There were also problems in some apps that when you wanted to use the keyboard the app would not respond correctly causing me to kill the program and start in landscape mode. In addition I inadvertently activated the slider when pulling the TP2 out of my holster. Plus it should be easier to get a decent aluminum case which was not possible on the TP2 due to the slider design.
Verizon also made it easy for me to swap devices. I was expecting problems but the agent was like OK, which device would you like since your still within your 30 day 100% satisfaction guarantee .

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Verizon also made it easy for me to swap devices. I was expecting problems but the agent was like OK, which device would you like since your still within your 30 day 100% satisfaction guarantee .
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I called VZ last night. They told me I would have to order the IG at full price, then wait up to 2 months for them to receive the TP2, then they would issue the credit.
How "easy" was your experience or even the process explained by the rep?
I would also have to return my TP2 to VZ, no in-store tradebacks since I bought the TP2 online.

syntrix said:
I called VZ last night. They told me I would have to order the IG at full price, then wait up to 2 months for them to receive the TP2, then they would issue the credit.
How "easy" was your experience or even the process explained by the rep?
I would also have to return my TP2 to VZ, no in-store tradebacks since I bought the TP2 online.
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got mine today.. it's really awesome, needless to say.. it is fully loaded with all of the verizon online crap but i have so many proggies from my touch that i'm all set with their v-cast, etc.. as for its operation, it's very smooth and "iphoney" totally new iphone keyboard and everything.. even the winmo core interface is all jacked up.. and it has a 5mp camera, it's super fast, wifi, bluetooth.. just an awesome phone.. get it.. u won't be sorry.

ShakespearesEdge
Sounds Pretty Nice!
Does the GPS work with TomTom, and google maps/bing?

syntrix said:
I called VZ last night. They told me I would have to order the IG at full price, then wait up to 2 months for them to receive the TP2, then they would issue the credit.
How "easy" was your experience or even the process explained by the rep?
I would also have to return my TP2 to VZ, no in-store tradebacks since I bought the TP2 online.
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I tried buying tp2 on release day but the online ordering was not working for me forcing me to call 611. Im guessing different procedure when buying in store vs online vs 611. If you buy in store or 611 they charge an early upgrade fee of $20 which I got waived the first time.

syntrix said:
I called VZ last night. They told me I would have to order the IG at full price, then wait up to 2 months for them to receive the TP2, then they would issue the credit.
How "easy" was your experience or even the process explained by the rep?
I would also have to return my TP2 to VZ, no in-store tradebacks since I bought the TP2 online.
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That's why I always order mine in a store, when I did my TP2 swap it was easy. Not trying to rub it in, just saying next time you way want to consider the store. I was in and out in 10 min.

Oh that's good to know, since the TP2 was never sold in stores.
So you basically had the store order from corporate, and picked it up locally?
Something seems fishy about what they told me, I'll have to call them again about the return/credit/onlinerebate, etc.

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Oh that's good to know, since the TP2 was never sold in stores.
So you basically had the store order from corporate, and picked it up locally?
Something seems fishy about what they told me, I'll have to call them again about the return/credit/onlinerebate, etc.
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You can have them order it at the store even though they don't have it there they ship it to you 2-day for free or overnight for $9.
Same thing I did with Imagio, only problem is I had to give back TP2 when I ordered the Imagio, use a temp phone until I got it, which isn't that big of deal for 1 or 2 days.

syntrix said:
I called VZ last night. They told me I would have to order the IG at full price, then wait up to 2 months for them to receive the TP2, then they would issue the credit.
How "easy" was your experience or even the process explained by the rep?
I would also have to return my TP2 to VZ, no in-store tradebacks since I bought the TP2 online.
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My experience was real pleasant. I sent my phone back in the box it came in, supplied the tracking number and they sent out my Imagio next day air. I was also told I could take it in the store and trade it when the store received the Imagio in stock. As long as you within the 30days from original purchase.

Well I just ordered one should be here by Monday. How do we go about starting a Whitestone/Imagio section to the forum?

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Well I just ordered one should be here by Monday. How do we go about starting a Whitestone/Imagio section to the forum?
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You are in the right place
I hope you don't have the flutter/echo problem I did with my VZ TP2. I thought it was a fluke at first.

Is the flutter echeo a random bug or is it a problem with all phones?

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Is the flutter echeo a random bug or is it a problem with all phones?
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There are several reports about it, but with all things internet.... try it!
Maybe it's my area and a few other areas, but I found an article on it tonight, too! Damed if I can find the link again.
Again, you can try it and you have 30 days to return (they give a return shipping label if ordered online VZ). Or apparently if you had the store order it, you can return in the store.
If you ordered online, you can NOT return to the local store. I posted the actual return line for the equipment above.
You will still need to call VZ to cancel the service on their regular cs number.
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I really did like this new 3.6" screen, I'll have to play with ATT's version more when I get mine tomorrow. I don't think it'll be that much different though.

ATT Pure gone?

Is the ATT Pure gone? I am looking to add a line to my plan, and cannot find them anywhere. ATT has them on the website, but only refurbs and only for new customers (free). Amazon has them online for new accounts and upgrades, but they don't do add a line transactions.
Am I missing something? Is there a replacement for this phone coming out? My wife likes the Tilt 2 that I just got, but thought the physical keyboard was not needed... that led me naturally to the Pure.

im existing and it shows up for me .

I spoke with AT&T this morning. The refurbs are only available to new customers due to limited supply. They also said that I could order it as a new customer and transfer it over to my existing family plan without any problem or cost.
The said that the phone is still listed as a available phone, but they have no stock and do not know if/when they will be getting them in. O'well. I guess it will be a refurb for me.

Read this thread from FEBRUARY: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=637163

I did order the phone. I was planning on doing the $100 HTC trade up rebate, but it is not good on refurb phone purchases. But since there was no actual cost to the phone no big deal. I get to keep the tilt as a spare. On my TP2 purchase last week, I am sending in a Treo that was collecting dust and getting my $100 rebate.
I don't care if the phone is old (which it is not really) or not selling well. It does what I want it to do. It has no real replacement, and definitely the right cost. I upgraded 2 smart phones and the total cost will be -$50. Not a bad deal at all.
2 Tilt 2's would have been o.k. but the wife did not want/need the physical keyboard. Plus I could see a day when we would grab the wrong phones on the way to work and then be screwed.

LetsTalk.com has them along with Wirefly.com. Both available under the add a line program. Cost depends on your timing, they run them NIB for free MOST of the time, but have seen them listed for about $50 US.

TraceG said:
LetsTalk.com has them along with Wirefly.com. Both available under the add a line program. Cost depends on your timing, they run them NIB for free MOST of the time, but have seen them listed for about $50 US.
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I did not see them there. The only HTC that came up for AT&T was the tilt 2. I do believe they are gone, (or going away quickly). Not to be selfish but, I got mine.... or at least it is coming.... since it is coming Us Postal Service, I have a great hope for it to show up on saturday.
I can see the problem. my wife on Wed said that she would prefer the one without the keyboard. Then after she found out that it might not be available, she was o.k. with going tilt 2 as an option instead. I can see that conversation occurring throughout the country. In this case however the tilt 2 (new) was $199 vs the Pure (refurb) at $0. I am pretty sure I made the right choice.

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I did not see them there. The only HTC that came up for AT&T was the tilt 2. I do believe they are gone, (or going away quickly). Not to be selfish but, I got mine.... or at least it is coming.... since it is coming Us Postal Service, I have a great hope for it to show up on saturday.
I can see the problem. my wife on Wed said that she would prefer the one without the keyboard. Then after she found out that it might not be available, she was o.k. with going tilt 2 as an option instead. I can see that conversation occurring throughout the country. In this case however the tilt 2 (new) was $199 vs the Pure (refurb) at $0. I am pretty sure I made the right choice.
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Wow.. I knew ATT was pulling them out of their stores but it seems EVERYONE is now. I've seen ATT pull phones before and places like Wirefly have them still 6 months later. I just checked on them 2 days or so ago when MY wife was eyeballing MY Pure..

TraceG said:
Wow.. I knew ATT was pulling them out of their stores but it seems EVERYONE is now. I've seen ATT pull phones before and places like Wirefly have them still 6 months later. I just checked on them 2 days or so ago when MY wife was eyeballing MY Pure..
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As of thursday morning AMAZON was the only one who had them. They wanted 0.01 for a new line and $80 for an upgrade.
Amazon does not do the add a line, and phones purchased though them cannot be combined with an existing family account (like you can with att's own phones) without a $250 penalty within the first 6 months. ATT tracks by device ID, as long as the device is activated, they don't care how. Amazon get their comission based on account number. If you do the new account option, then try to combine the accounts, you will lose the new account number and be fined.
If you did upgrade by the end of May, you could do the HTC trade up rebate if you have an old device to send in and get $100 back. Then the phone would be -$20...even free shipping.
They did say that stock levels were low for the pure.

boufa said:
As of thursday morning AMAZON was the only one who had them. They wanted 0.01 for a new line and $80 for an upgrade.
Amazon does not do the add a line, and phones purchased though them cannot be combined with an existing family account (like you can with att's own phones) without a $250 penalty within the first 6 months. ATT tracks by device ID, as long as the device is activated, they don't care how. Amazon get their comission based on account number. If you do the new account option, then try to combine the accounts, you will lose the new account number and be fined.
If you did upgrade by the end of May, you could do the HTC trade up rebate if you have an old device to send in and get $100 back. Then the phone would be -$20...even free shipping.
They did say that stock levels were low for the pure.
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Ebay had some friday.. got busy and didn't get a chance to come here and post on it. Some of those dealers offer add a line. It's gonna suck if I ever have to do a phone swap though and no one has new ones. I love my Pure the way it is now. The stock ROM bites but the Energy is rockin'. A friend had a refurbed phone from ATT and whenever it got hot here his screen would fog up from internal moisture.

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Ebay had some friday.. got busy and didn't get a chance to come here and post on it. Some of those dealers offer add a line. It's gonna suck if I ever have to do a phone swap though and no one has new ones. I love my Pure the way it is now. The stock ROM bites but the Energy is rockin'. A friend had a refurbed phone from ATT and whenever it got hot here his screen would fog up from internal moisture.
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I have had some good luck with refurbs, but of course there are some horror stories. In this case I am sure that the cost saving will be worth it. The way I am upgrading and shuffling phones around, it will leave me with 1 line with an upgrade option on it. This will give me a chance to be able to replace any phone that breaks out of warranty in the coming months. Keeps the insurance cost down to zero.
First thing you do with any phone you get, new or refurb is check the white patch under the battery to make sure it is NOT pink in any way. That is the indication that the phone has been wet.

I love my Pure. Actually since me buying mine, my good friend and also my father have made the jump too. Its a pretty good touchscreen phone that is feels just the right size. I hope you all are successful in your attempts to get your hands on one. We knew they were going to get pulled months ago because of the low sales (wtf). I guess most people prefer the TP2 (meh).

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I love my Pure. Actually since me buying mine, my good friend and also my father have made the jump too. Its a pretty good touchscreen phone that is feels just the right size. I hope you all are successful in your attempts to get your hands on one. We knew they were going to get pulled months ago because of the low sales (wtf). I guess most people prefer the TP2 (meh).
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I just got it and after a long 40 minutes on the phone with at&t the did all the juggling on my account and got it working. (even got them to waive the activation fee).
So far so good. I am charging it now, so that I can flash it to the (same) energy rom that I have on my tilt 2.

The battery in the Pure was draining the website so they stopped selling it :|

Broken Phone

So I totally dropped my phone and shattered my screen today. The phone worked for about an hour then it died. I charged it and when I turned it back on and tried to use it, the screen totally got screwed up and I couldnt do anything.
Its pretty bogus that TMO wants me to pay them another $130 for a replacement phone and if I dont return the broken phone within 15 days, they will charge me another $300.
My GF doesnt really like hers. The APPs are way too expensive. I think she might be going back to her G1. Im seriously thinking about a Nexus One, but would have to dish out another $279 for that phone.
Im torn, i like the phone but Ive had so many issues with service, dropped calls and things not working like they should.
what are your thoughts? Ill try and take a pic of the screen with my GFs cam at some point.
Thanks for listening.
Jason

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So I totally dropped my phone and shattered my screen today. The phone worked for about an hour then it died. I charged it and when I turned it back on and tried to use it, the screen totally got screwed up and I couldnt do anything.
Its pretty bogus that TMO wants me to pay them another $130 for a replacement phone and if I dont return the broken phone within 15 days, they will charge me another $300.
My GF doesnt really like hers. The APPs are way too expensive. I think she might be going back to her G1. Im seriously thinking about a Nexus One, but would have to dish out another $279 for that phone.
Im torn, i like the phone but Ive had so many issues with service, dropped calls and things not working like they should.
what are your thoughts? Ill try and take a pic of the screen with my GFs cam at some point.
Thanks for listening.
Jason
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Wow, sorry to hear that man Did you manage to shatter it even with the rubberized case that came with it still on? I have mine on there at all times, but I'm still terrfied I'm gonna do exactly what you did.
If I were in your exact situation right now, I'd take your gf's HD2, and get her a mytouch slide. You get another chance with what can truly be an awesome phone, and she gets the latest android phone tmo has (or will have very soon) with a hardware qwerty....and, maybe even less out of pocket than the other options.

Sorry to hear that...That's exactly what I'm afraid also. Just texted the wife telling her to take care of that beauty cause one drop and it's gone

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Wow, sorry to hear that man Did you manage to shatter it even with the rubberized case that came with it still on? I have mine on there at all times, but I'm still terrfied I'm gonna do exactly what you did.
If I were in your exact situation right now, I'd take your gf's HD2, and get her a mytouch slide. You get another chance with what can truly be an awesome phone, and she gets the latest android phone tmo has (or will have very soon) with a hardware qwerty....and, maybe even less out of pocket than the other options.
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How can the HD2 be a powerful phone with all the problems it has? Ive had it replaced already because of the shotty service I was getting in places I had great service with my G1. Even with the flashing of several different ROMs, the phone froze all the time. The only problem with getting her one of the MyTouch Slides is that we used our upgrade eligibility to get the HD2's, so we would have to pay FULL price for the phone. She does really miss the Android market.
Yes, had the rubber case on it, but it landed on the corner of the screen. The rubber case doesnt go over the screen.
So whats the deal with TMO getting the crap end of the stick with phones these days?

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How can the HD2 be a powerful phone with all the problems it has? Ive had it replaced already because of the shotty service I was getting in places I had great service with my G1. Even with the flashing of several different ROMs, the phone froze all the time. The only problem with getting her one of the MyTouch Slides is that we used our upgrade eligibility to get the HD2's, so we would have to pay FULL price for the phone. She does really miss the Android market.
Yes, had the rubber case on it, but it landed on the corner of the screen. The rubber case doesnt go over the screen.
So whats the deal with TMO getting the crap end of the stick with phones these days?
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Well, it has been for me and others as well...since you were asking, I thought you were saying you thought it might be worth another chance. Did you get a chance to try the new upgrade from Tmo?
I was confused too, when you said you'd have to pay $279 for the N1...I thought that indicated you had an upgrade available to you yet.
And yes, I did notice that the rubber case doesn't go over the screen. I was asking because without that it's possible to have the screen shatter even if the impact point isn't on the face of it.

I just havent had the best luck with this phone. Seems like it has lots of potential but its not fairing very well so far. The $279 was a price I pulled from the site. I dobubt TMO would take their phone back and give me some kind of credit on a different phone even with the phone insurance. Hell TMO doesnt even sell the N1.
What new upgrade are you referring too? Was it an upgrade to the stock rom? Ive been using a flashed ROM, so didnt see that there was an upgrade available.

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I just havent had the best luck with this phone. Seems like it has lots of potential but its not fairing very well so far. The $279 was a price I pulled from the site. I dobubt TMO would take their phone back and give me some kind of credit on a different phone even with the phone insurance. Hell TMO doesnt even sell the N1.
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That's correct, you have to just take the replacement phone of the same model, since it's done through the insurance company totally independent of tmo...they're just the ones who sold you the policy. I honestly was under the impression that the deductible was $100 for the HD2, but if they told you $130 then it must be $130.
I think that the $279 price for the N1 is for new lines and maybe upgrades, but it's honestly been a while since I priced it out.
If you end up deciding to get your HD2 replaced for now, feel free to PM me if you want and I'll do whatever I can to help you avoid having so many issues this time.
What new upgrade are you referring too? Was it an upgrade to the stock rom? Ive been using a flashed ROM, so didnt see that there was an upgrade available.
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LOL That's funny because just 5 minutes before I saw your post I was having a conversation with one of the moderators about how there had been a rediculous number of new threads started in the past 48 hours about the new Tmo ROM update
It was pretty much known that it was coming soon, and a couple of days ago somebody found a backdoor to the file on tmo's servers, before they had announced it. A bunch of people (m'self included) grabbed it right away, but it now looks like tmo has pulled the old switcheroo and substitued some oddball incompatible ROM in it's place for the time being (from the Dash, or something equally goofy). Hopefully they'll greenlight it officially soon...this exact thing happend with the tmo TP2 upgrade earlier this year too. I'll be happy to get you a copy, if you have an easy way to transfer a 200MB file You can check out the threads here in the general section about it, there's a lot of reports of what's different, etc.

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That's correct, you have to just take the replacement phone of the same model, since it's done through the insurance company totally independent of tmo...they're just the ones who sold you the policy. I honestly was under the impression that the deductible was $100 for the HD2, but if they told you $130 then it must be $130.
I think that the $279 price for the N1 is for new lines and maybe upgrades, but it's honestly been a while since I priced it out.
If you end up deciding to get your HD2 replaced for now, feel free to PM me if you want and I'll do whatever I can to help you avoid having so many issues this time.
LOL That's funny because just 5 minutes before I saw your post I was having a conversation with one of the moderators about how there had been a rediculous number of new threads started in the past 48 hours about the new Tmo ROM update
It was pretty much known that it was coming soon, and a couple of days ago somebody found a backdoor to the file on tmo's servers, before they had announced it. A bunch of people (m'self included) grabbed it right away, but it now looks like tmo has pulled the old switcheroo and substitued some oddball incompatible ROM in it's place for the time being (from the Dash, or something equally goofy). Hopefully they'll greenlight it officially soon...this exact thing happend with the tmo TP2 upgrade earlier this year too. I'll be happy to get you a copy, if you have an easy way to transfer a 200MB file You can check out the threads here in the general section about it, there's a lot of reports of what's different, etc.
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That does kind of suck that I cant get a different phone. Oh well. I may still purchase the replacement phone. The N1 price was for eligible upgrades.
Thanks for the offering of help. I read one of the threads saying it was a Dash file now. Damn TMO. I only read the one thread. Didnt seem like much was different. Have you tried 4shared dot com to upload the ROM too? So since its not "official" than it has to be flashed? But if it were official then it would get sent to the phone from TMO?

IllusiveDreams said:
That does kind of suck that I cant get a different phone. Oh well. I may still purchase the replacement phone. The N1 price was for eligible upgrades.
Thanks for the offering of help. I read one of the threads saying it was a Dash file now. Damn TMO. I only read the one thread. Didnt seem like much was different. Have you tried 4shared dot com to upload the ROM too? So since its not "official" than it has to be flashed? But if it were official then it would get sent to the phone from TMO?
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Actually, our handy-dandy moderator zelendel has created a link where you can grab it if you want to check it out: Tmo HD2 ROM upgrade
Now, one of the underlying differences between WM and Android is that any updates to WM must be applied manually, even official ones. They come in the form of a full ROM upgrade, not in "patches"...and they're never OTA or direct to the phone. Official carrier or manufacturer issued ROM updates are applied by you running a .exe file on your PC desktop that handles all the flashing for you, over USB. Custom ROMs of course have a more involved/complicated process.
This upgrade at that link has the usual "offical update" installer....but Tmo has obviously decided to hold off on letting us have sanctioned access to it just yet. But, the one they finally release will likely be very close to this one we're playing with now.

Thanks for the link and the information. After using the G1 phone for week, I quickly remembered why I didnt want that phone anymore. So last thursday, I ended up ordering a phone from the "insurance". The phone came today. My GF says, they sent me an complete phone package, with case, battery, ear piece, manual and alls I got to do is send back the phone.
I wonder if the phone comes with the update on it already!
I probably wont be able to play with it until tonight, more than likely tomorrow though. Im swamped at work and will more than likely work late tonight.

sirphunkee said:
Actually, our handy-dandy moderator zelendel has created a link where you can grab it if you want to check it out: Tmo HD2 ROM upgrade
Now, one of the underlying differences between WM and Android is that any updates to WM must be applied manually, even official ones. They come in the form of a full ROM upgrade, not in "patches"...and they're never OTA or direct to the phone. Official carrier or manufacturer issued ROM updates are applied by you running a .exe file on your PC desktop that handles all the flashing for you, over USB. Custom ROMs of course have a more involved/complicated process.
This upgrade at that link has the usual "offical update" installer....but Tmo has obviously decided to hold off on letting us have sanctioned access to it just yet. But, the one they finally release will likely be very close to this one we're playing with now.
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I snagged the update on the first go around the leaked version and let me tell you it has worked wonders!!!! it has been about two weeks and I have not had the Sleep Screen of Death or any of my other issues! I read about complaints when people downloaded the official one on the 18th but it looks likes they pulled that one because they where having more issues than it fixed?!

So is the moderator link the "official" download, or the leaked version?

IllusiveDreams said:
So is the moderator link the "official" download, or the leaked version?
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It the same one I pulled from the T-mobile site before it was removed.

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It the same one I pulled from the T-mobile site before it was removed.
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Cool, so its not the broken latest version...woohoo!

It's the same one. There is no difference between the one that was leaked and the one that was removed from T-mobiles website this weekend.

so why am I hearing/reading conflicting reports, some say its great, others say more stuff is broken.

Because not everyone uses their phone in the same way or with the same expectations. I upgraded this past weekend and haven't had any problems but I also haven't opened up every app and setting to look for everything that has changed. YMMV