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I've been looking for some time, but have come up empty handed. Can anybody direct me to a link that shows exactly what components are in the HTC Hermes? I'm specifically trying to find out which ATI Imageon co-processor is used, so I can optimise video encoding to make use of the ATI decoder on board. Any help will be greatly appreciated as I will gladly share my future findings for everyones benefit. :wink:
Knowing this will help us also know what software will benefit from the co-procesor i.e. GPS, Games and other 3rd Party software. Thanks in advance.
ATI 3200 co-processor it is NOT!!
Hi all. It seems no one is able to add any further info on the hardware/co-procesor of the Hermes.
I'm trying to get the on-board ATI decoder to do its job, but need to find out which co-processor exactly the hermes has. In TCPMP (The Core Pocket Media Player-INMO the best Multi format Media player for PPC devices) folder in the Program Files directory, you can find a file called 'ati3200'. Version 0.66 of TCPMP has such a file dated 9th September 2005; the 0.72version however has an updated file (same name) dated 22nd Febuary 2006! Obviously this has been updated with the later versions of TCPMP, but it seems evident that it is only for that version of the ATI Imageon co-processor.
Back to my point; if we can firmly establish which co-processor we have in the Hermes, we'll b that much closer to getting support in TCPMP for our hardware accellerated ATI decoder, giving us the much needed performance boost we are currently lacking in videoplayback.
Your help is still much needed, so if anyone can contribute any info relating to which ATI co-processor resides in the Hermes, please share.
Cheers all. :wink:
Edit: After having uninstalled version 0.66 of TCPMP and re-installing v0.72rc, plus all codec inluding .aac audio plugin, I forgot to make the associations in TCPMP. So when trying to play a movie I encoded to MP4 (using ImToo DVD 2 iPod Converter) I noticed that WMPlayer plays back the movie file flawlessly without even a single jerk during forward/rewind searches or pause & resume playback. There are NO lip-syncing issues at any time either. It may be premature to say so, but it seems that MP4 hardware accelleration is taking place with the ATI decoder in WMP10 but TCPMP strggles to do it with the same codec but is able to play the file in the inferior RWFRAMEBUFFER mode, which also results in playback being jerky, fuzzy, scrambled etc; therefore indicating that the problem does in fact lie with TCPMP, especially as it only seems to support 1 of the many types of coprocessors in ATI Imageons range!
Not exactly the result I was hoping for, in that this excellent playback cannot be currently achieved in TCPMP. However, I welcome anyone to try it and see for themselves. However WMP10 lacks the settings of TCPMP and where some films may be a tad bit too dark or undersaturated, TCPMP can easily deal with this in its 'Colour' menu under Options settings.
Imageon 2282 it is then. Dissapointed!!
Well at long last thanks to mikechannon for the internal pics of a TyTN, we now know it's a ATI 2282 Co-processor:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1028601&posted=1#post1028601
Well I'm somewhat dissapointed as ATI have considerably more powerful chips that Samsung/HTC could have used, but the benefits are nonetheless worthwhile as it takes the strain off of the main CPU.
Now to let Corecodec know, so they can hopefully implement compatibility with TCPMP and the ATI hardware chip.
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Now to let Corecodec know, so they can hopefully implement compatibility with TCPMP and the ATI hardware chip.
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It's been 2 months, so I wouldn't count on that
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
Hi, there are some posts that have tips to help with playback using TCMP, but I myself quickly got irritated with it and installed the latest PocketTV, watched a few of my mpeg's with it and it plays them good, you might check it out.
http://www.pockettv.com/
hope that might be of some help to you.
ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.
I dunno about all the chipset junk, but pockettv plays em very nicely, and I don't have to reencode all my videos(what a waste of time) or deal with semi acceptable playback.
NumSkull!!
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I dunno about all the chipset junk, but pockettv plays em very nicely, and I don't have to reencode all my videos(what a waste of time) or deal with semi acceptable playback.
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PocketTV supports: MPEG-1/MPEG..........that's it!
TCPMP supports:
Video: MPEG-1, MPEG, MPEG-4, DivX, XviD, AVC/H.264, Theora, MKV, Dirac, OGM, WMV
Audio: MP3, AAC, AC3, OGG, Shoutcast support, MKA, MPC, Speex, FLAC, AMR, u-law, Wav
Pictures: JPG, PNG, TIFF, MJPEG
Multimedia: COSP, SVG
....but if all you want to do is playback MPEGs (which still have to be encoded at a resolution and bit-rate PocketTV can support - even if you haven't had to do it!), then stick with whatever you're happy with.
However most people who are used to having the freedom of using various formats as is supported by TCPMP, will undoubtedly miss the many adjustable settings that also come with the player, hence posts in this particular thread for those who are trying to achieve the type of flawless device/software compatibility most of us have been accustomed to in the past with TCPMP.
Have you ever even tried TCPMP? Have you even considered that AVI file formats & codecs dramatically reduce filesize compared to MPEG, with substantially better quality? There are many different factors why we all use different software and usually the same common denominator why most choose to use the same software i.e .....it's the best out there!!
Even the name of the software you advocate is non-sensical....PocketTV??!! Where is the TV part of the application? Anyway nuff said. For those who know what I'm talking about, my forementioned posts already stated that Betaboy and the Corecodec development team are looking into the compatibility issue regarding the Hermes. Meanwhile my suggestion was, in the interim, to encode new vids to MP4 if you desire DVD quality on your PPC but that you can, for now ONLY,.....get acceptable playback using Rawframebuffer mode, still giving you more format options than the useless PocketTV. :lol:
yep, just turn off the ati and use rawframe buffer option in the tcpmp video options.
mackaby007 said:
ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.
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Does WMP10 support MPEG4 derivatives i.e. XVid and DivX "out of the box" or do I need codecs?
Thanks
rpwood said:
mackaby007 said:
ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.
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Does WMP10 support MPEG4 derivatives i.e. XVid and DivX "out of the box" or do I need codecs?
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Don't think you can add codec to the WMP10, but I could be mistaken. As far as I know, it won't support any derivatives of the MPEG4 family only 'original' mp4 as in i-Pod mp4, hence the reason why I use 'ImTOO DVD to iPod Converter 4' and 'ImTOO iPod Movie Converter'. They work perfectly for me for the meantime, but I will be switching back to Divx and Xvid once the Coreplayer 1.0 Mobile CE has been released. You just can't beat their filesizes over quality. MP4's look every bit as good as the best AVI's, but the difference in size is anything from 200-300 megs of extra space!
thanks for the hint of changing to raw buffer in video option. works great. i love tcmp!!!! it is the THE corking best
glad you got it sorted, TCPMP is superb, even without the ATI.
Did you try TCPMP on Trinity ? Because on mine the screen is flashing and I can't see trought pocket controller too.
Before I've jammin and It work with no problem.
I use tcpmp 72rc1
Any help ? :_)
Thanks
Change video settings to direct draw
thanks a lot .....
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Change video settings to direct draw
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Direct Draw didn't work for me (actually made it worse). The video driver mode that seems to work best (at least on my P3600) is Raw FrameBuffer.
I set the video at GDI and its working fine. My TCPMP is ver 0.81RC1Beta
on my side all the settings are working more or less.
I already got some fuzzy screen but when I press stop (actually I don't see the button but if I press on the place it stand usually ..) the screen is OK.
Now when I watch TV broadcast from my PC (with my internet provider) in mpeg1 384kbs it is better with direct draw than with ATI Imageon whci works better than ATI imageon decoder ....
TCPMP / Coreplayer Doesn't support the combination Samsung CPU ATI Imageon chip, in Coreplayers forum their is a lot of information about that, they are trying to get info about the chip from ATI but no luck yet. Raw Framebuffer seems to work, but gives a really slow TCPMP/Coreplayer. Until the problems are solved I use to convert my movies to "Ipod" format .mp4 wihich Mediaplayer in Trinity supports through the ATI chip, an .mp4 file of 768kbps and 30fps runs smooth in WMP
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TCPMP / Coreplayer Doesn't support the combination Samsung CPU ATI Imageon chip, in Coreplayers forum their is a lot of information about that, they are trying to get info about the chip from ATI but no luck yet. Raw Framebuffer seems to work, but gives a really slow TCPMP/Coreplayer. Until the problems are solved I use to convert my movies to "Ipod" format .mp4 wihich Mediaplayer in Trinity supports through the ATI chip, an .mp4 file of 768kbps and 30fps runs smooth in WMP
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MP4, huh? I'll have to try that out. WMV playback in Windows Media Player is still slow and sucks just like TCPMP/Coreplayer.
CorePlayer and TCPMP does not support DirectDraw RGB mode and ATI ImageOn Video Accleration, after turn on the this option the screen can not display correctly, it seem have typhoon run on the screen.
Only DirectDraw YV12 YUY2 mode and Raw FrameBuffer can rendering correctly, but the performance on playing 640x480 DivX video is very terrible. The average speed only got 45%-70%.
I found some information in corecode forum TYTN and Hermes seem fixed some bug. but that method can not apply on Athena.
What setting are others using. I've tried running a 600x320 movie with Core player 0.81. It was very slow and stuttery.
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What setting are others using. I've tried running a 600x320 movie with Core player 0.81. It was very slow and stuttery.
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my movie on tcpmp runs very smooth, full scrren with sound all sets to highest quality. no problem at all.
Using TCPMP, latest version. video playback is unwatchable, audio is fine but video is jerky, 1 frame per second or worse.
Wu5262, can you post the settings you are using please.
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Using TCPMP, latest version. video playback is unwatchable, audio is fine but video is jerky, 1 frame per second or worse.
Wu5262, can you post the settings you are using please.
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Video quality set to highest
video driver set to Raw FrameBuffer
Audio set to Stereo
Audio Drive use Wave output
Sound and movie play very very well, no delay at all. Let me know if you have different result.
Perfect! I had the video driver set wrong.
Working perfectly now, many thanks.
Great that works for me too.
Also guys & gals..tick the box for Micro drive in the settings dialogue...it helps. Has anybody managed to get DVD quality yet? If so, please give more info like encoded resolution, bit rate and codec used and application used for encoding.
Most of my old movies were encoded to 320x240 @ 600kbps and looked like DVD quality on my QVGA Hermes, but those same movies play very well on the Ameo, buy are stretched to smitherines and don't look good at all.
I've now tried using DVD-Ripped files (same encoding process as torrents) and these look absolutely beautiful, but are wide screen format so don't fill the entire screen. It benchtested at around 118% on Coreplayer and looks slightly better than on TCPMP which strangely benches at a slightly better 120%.
Another few suggestions:
In Coreplayer preferences:
Untick 'Slow video memory' & Tick 'Override AVI timing based on audio'.
Under Video I have selected:
Video: Rawframebuffer mode
Video Quality: High
Smooth Zoom: On
Don't Tick 'Dither' as it seems to cause the movie to look worse.
Good luck.
Here is my setting in CorePlayer 1.04 Build 716
1000Kbps 640 x 480 DivX Movie. Speed is reasonable.
~~DirectDraw Page~~
Overlay format: YV12 **** Remember must set this option first******
~~Video Page~~
Video output: ATI IMAGEON
Video Quality: High
Smooth Zoom: On
Dither: OFF
Accleration: OFF
P.S. We can't get the full performance on No DirectDraw overlay in RGB and ATI ImageOn with accleration,
But there have BUG in ATI ImageOn decoder in CorePlayer because ATI did not disclose the ImageOn structure.
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Here is my setting in CorePlayer 1.04 Build 716
1000Kbps 640 x 480 DivX Movie. Speed is reasonable.
~~DirectDraw Page~~
Overlay format: YV12 **** Remember must set this option first******
~~Video Page~~
Video output: ATI IMAGEON
Video Quality: High
Smooth Zoom: On
Dither: OFF
Accleration: OFF
P.S. We can't get the full performance on No DirectDraw overlay in RGB and ATI ImageOn with accleration,
But there have BUG in ATI ImageOn decoder in CorePlayer because ATI did not disclose the ImageOn structure.
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Thanks for that Simdao...those settings you got do actually produce much better performance results. No lost frames now and benchtest has risen from 118% to 145% on coreplayer!!
Bare in mind people that I'm using proper DVD rips in which the video resolution is and bit rate is considerably higher than for 320x240 mp4s or equvalent Divx files....those files should yield benchtest results og 280% - 300%+.
This is great...only problem with the ATI Imageon software renderer is that you get some 'minor distortion' in interface mode...but perfection in full screen mode. Cheers mate.
Bloody ATI ****e...
mackaby007 said:
Thanks for that Simdao...those settings you got do actually produce much better performance results. No lost frames now and benchtest has risen from 118% to 145% on coreplayer!!
Bare in mind people that I'm using proper DVD rips in which the video resolution is and bit rate is considerably higher than for 320x240 mp4s or equvalent Divx files....those files should yield benchtest results og 280% - 300%+.
This is great...only problem with the ATI Imageon software renderer is that you get some 'minor distortion' in interface mode...but perfection in full screen mode. Cheers mate.
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Take that back. ATI has screwed up coreplayer today...I can't even get to change the settings as it crashes all the time even with soft-resetting the device!
TCPMP seems more stable in allowing me to change settings back to Rawframebuffer mode. Problems are definitely not resolved with ATI and Coreplayer or TCPMP....here we go again.
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Take that back. ATI has screwed up coreplayer today...I can't even get to change the settings as it crashes all the time even with soft-resetting the device!
TCPMP seems more stable in allowing me to change settings back to Rawframebuffer mode. Problems are definitely not resolved with ATI and Coreplayer or TCPMP....here we go again.
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I have an experience when i close the coreplayer it CRASH ever time, after uninstall and re-install the coreplayer the problem had solved.
mackaby007 said:
Take that back. ATI has screwed up coreplayer today...I can't even get to change the settings as it crashes all the time even with soft-resetting the device!
TCPMP seems more stable in allowing me to change settings back to Rawframebuffer mode. Problems are definitely not resolved with ATI and Coreplayer or TCPMP....here we go again.
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I am using Coreplayer as well
no problem found at this moment using the above setting. Speed is good and no crashing so far
wu5262 said:
I am using Coreplayer as well
no problem found at this moment using the above setting. Speed is good and no crashing so far
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I have had no problems so far other than some divx/xvid encoded with AC3 audio stream dont work, so i get no Audio, using TCMP. Anyone no a work around?
Get the AC3 plugin from http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/test/
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Get the AC3 plugin from http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/test/
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Thanks mate will download and test .....
Is there any real fix to this problem ?
Are you guys able to play DIVX movies with quality ? our any TV SERIES ?
This might be the main reason that i am not going to buy the HTC Athena since there isnt any real and final fix for this problem that comes from the TYTN ..... why cant ATI help with this ? ....
dammmm
Mine seems to play ok. The picture even looks good through the vga port.
so you guys are saying that playback so far of call files have perfect video quality with no conversion nesessary?
DVD Rips look perfect!!
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so you guys are saying that playback so far of call files have perfect video quality with no conversion nesessary?
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What I'm saying is that Torrent DVD-Rips...search for ''axxo" rips on torrentspy.com (his rips are near on perfect), are absolutely perfect looking on the Athena. Comparable to DVD or even High def quality!!
Benching at 160%+ now too in TCPMP, but Coreplayer 1.04 has no AC3 audio support...hence the switch back to TCPMP 0.72RC....NO Conversion of video file necessary.
Please Share your experiences.
For example:
1) What is the best video player ( coreplayer, tcpmp,others)
2) What is the best video output method in coreplayer and tcpmp ( Ati IMAGEON, direct draw,etc)
3) What is the best video format to play , xvid , wmv, divx,etc
4) What is the best resolution to play in athena
5) Is better to convert before play, or doesn't mater
6) Playing subtitles, , and flicker problems
7) others
tcpmp .081 Ati IMAGEON result is not good
but I do not know why
3) divx
5) 6) PocketDivxEncoder
I'm using AP4 rom and only use xcpuscalar (from immieresoft.com) @ 624 or 663MHz when viewing movies on TCPMP. Problems usually only occur when the Athena's auto cpu scaling changes speeds and xcpuscalar eliminates those changes.
To encode, I use dvdDecrypter to copy movies onto my hard-drive and AutoGordianKnot to convert to Xvid avi and set maximum width (advanced settings) to 640 and output size to Target quality 100%. The movies usually benchmark really close to 100% (sometimes slightly more or slightly less) and have minimal frame drops on most movies (the best was 7~13 out of 19,###).
I've been very happy with my x7501 lately...
My best setting's for TCMP 0.72 RC1 are:
Check:
ATI IMAGEON
DITHER
Unchek:
Smooth Zoom (only 50%)
Smooth Zomm (always)
Quality-> Normal
Video runs ok, good speed.
Subtiltes no so good (flicker problems)
I'm using TCPMP 0.71 with good results
My checked settings are:
Video >
Smooth Zoom (only 50%)
Quality normal
video > Raw Framebuffer
I also enabled Microdrive mode with a buffer of 16000KB
I also have these TCPMP plugins:
AC3
FFMPEG
Vorbis LQ
For Encoding nothing beats Pocket DivX encoder.
Cheers!
I think, ATI Imageon (using "ati3200.plg" plugin for TCPMP, or internal ATI-plugin in Core Player (turn OFF hardware acceleration for nice work)) chosen as a video driver - the best solution. It shows the best results in benchmark, better than Raw Framebuffer or Direct Draw. But if you use Core Player (TCPMP) with ATI Imageon driver after using camera, you must reboot (soft-reset) your device for normal work of driver. And remember - turn flag off from "hardware acceleration" in Core Player (video).
DVD-rips plays good.
ATI-plugin for TCPMP attached here:
Using CorePlayer ver.1.1.3 & TCPMP 0.72+ATI Driver3200.
Both have a problem: DELAYED VOICE SOUND after 1-2 minutes playing.
Any suggestions?