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Video playback problems

I have been experimenting with video playback on the Tytyn, but am becoming disillusioned with the results!
I use PocketDivX Encoder 0.3.60, to convert using 2 pass xvid and b frames, and TCPMP, and the results were truly stunning on my old Kjam.
Whatever I try with the new Tytyn, does not even come close to the performance I was getting on my old device.
Does any one have any suggestions or recommend a successful encoding method that actually works on the Tytyn. I would like to hear from anyone who has managed to get a playback quality the same as the Kjam/Wizard i.e smooth video without loss of lipsync or jerky framerate.
Thanks

search for TYTN + TCPMP on this forum... this has been discussed A LOT.

pergolesi said:
I have been experimenting with video playback on the Tytyn, but am becoming disillusioned with the results!
I use PocketDivX Encoder 0.3.60, to convert using 2 pass xvid and b frames, and TCPMP, and the results were truly stunning on my old Kjam.
Whatever I try with the new Tytyn, does not even come close to the performance I was getting on my old device.
Does any one have any suggestions or recommend a successful encoding method that actually works on the Tytyn. I would like to hear from anyone who has managed to get a playback quality the same as the Kjam/Wizard i.e smooth video without loss of lipsync or jerky framerate.
Thanks
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Hi there & welcome to our videoplayback problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=354421#354421
It's not all bad, but I can't find any workaround for the meantime. Look out for The CorePlayer (The new TCPMP), hopefully when released, it will address these issues we have discovered. Meantime I am using 'ImToo_DVD 2 Ipod Converter' , which converts to high quality Mp4 format and plays back just fine for now and is definately on par with Divx/Xvid AVI encoding at 768kbps! It also converts a whole film in practically 20 mins plus compared to PocketDivx_Encoder or DVDx.

I have tried the Im too to ipod converter, and have had some very pleasing results.
Could you possibly let me know what settings you have checked/unchecked in TCPMP, for optimum playback of the resulting mp4 files?
Thank you very much, your help and advice is greatly appreciated.
Best regards
Pergolesi

yeah I had a good experience converting to mpeg4 except the filesize was much larger (almost twice the size as divx) is this the norm cause of divx compression?

MPEG4 Videos in TCPMP
Personally, I use the following settings for ImTOO DVD to iPod Converter:
Video Bit rate:512 or 768 (difference is negligable but size is better @ 512kbps)
Audio Bit Rate:64
Sample rate:22050
Channels:2
Video Size:320x240
Profile: iPod MPEG-4 Movie (*.mp4)
Zoom:Full (keep aspect ratio)
Split:Infinite (though it's nice to have a DVD encoded in the chapters it came in - TCPMP will play them in the correct order if saved as 'playlist')
**Do Check the Audio settings (under the Menu bar) as your DVD will probably have options for differnt Audio i.e English.
I know more settings are available, but this is a short-term fix for me (with acceptable results for me) until the new 'CorePlayer' is released.
In TCPMP the settings really don't make much of a difference either, but just make sure you have 'Video' set to 'Rawframebuffer' mode. I have found that all AVI and MP4 playback without major gripes, but the MP4 gets better results whilst benchmarking using 'ATI decoder'. Fat load of good that does you when it comes to playback though (back to rawframebuffer mode).
P.S. for smaller filesizes, just reduce the video bit rate like you would in AVI encoding.

MPEG4 Videos in TCPMP
Great info, I'm sure others will find this just as helpful as I have.
Thanks again.
Pergolesi

In TCMP what is the best setting, GDI or RAWFRAMEBUFFER?
Im asking this because on my tytn i can use both of them without problems.

ruirocha said:
In TCMP what is the best setting, GDI or RAWFRAMEBUFFER?
Im asking this because on my tytn i can use both of them without problems.
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I use Rawframeuffer mode, but GDI will do also. Though benchmarking yields better results in Rawframebuffer mode for me.

I'm using TCPMP. I set ATI IMAGEON Decoder on.
When it start, the screen is not viewable.
But I press the action button, when the movie plays it is normal.
When I paused and resume, video play with low frame rate.
I goto Option, Speed, Select 100%, it's normal.

Screen jittering while playing videos

When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.

Hi, there are some posts that have tips to help with playback using TCMP, but I myself quickly got irritated with it and installed the latest PocketTV, watched a few of my mpeg's with it and it plays them good, you might check it out.
http://www.pockettv.com/
hope that might be of some help to you.

ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.

I dunno about all the chipset junk, but pockettv plays em very nicely, and I don't have to reencode all my videos(what a waste of time) or deal with semi acceptable playback.

NumSkull!!
ChaoticDruid said:
I dunno about all the chipset junk, but pockettv plays em very nicely, and I don't have to reencode all my videos(what a waste of time) or deal with semi acceptable playback.
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PocketTV supports: MPEG-1/MPEG..........that's it!
TCPMP supports:
Video: MPEG-1, MPEG, MPEG-4, DivX, XviD, AVC/H.264, Theora, MKV, Dirac, OGM, WMV
Audio: MP3, AAC, AC3, OGG, Shoutcast support, MKA, MPC, Speex, FLAC, AMR, u-law, Wav
Pictures: JPG, PNG, TIFF, MJPEG
Multimedia: COSP, SVG
....but if all you want to do is playback MPEGs (which still have to be encoded at a resolution and bit-rate PocketTV can support - even if you haven't had to do it!), then stick with whatever you're happy with.
However most people who are used to having the freedom of using various formats as is supported by TCPMP, will undoubtedly miss the many adjustable settings that also come with the player, hence posts in this particular thread for those who are trying to achieve the type of flawless device/software compatibility most of us have been accustomed to in the past with TCPMP.
Have you ever even tried TCPMP? Have you even considered that AVI file formats & codecs dramatically reduce filesize compared to MPEG, with substantially better quality? There are many different factors why we all use different software and usually the same common denominator why most choose to use the same software i.e .....it's the best out there!!
Even the name of the software you advocate is non-sensical....PocketTV??!! Where is the TV part of the application? Anyway nuff said. For those who know what I'm talking about, my forementioned posts already stated that Betaboy and the Corecodec development team are looking into the compatibility issue regarding the Hermes. Meanwhile my suggestion was, in the interim, to encode new vids to MP4 if you desire DVD quality on your PPC but that you can, for now ONLY,.....get acceptable playback using Rawframebuffer mode, still giving you more format options than the useless PocketTV. :lol:

yep, just turn off the ati and use rawframe buffer option in the tcpmp video options.

mackaby007 said:
ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.
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Does WMP10 support MPEG4 derivatives i.e. XVid and DivX "out of the box" or do I need codecs?
Thanks

rpwood said:
mackaby007 said:
ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.
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Does WMP10 support MPEG4 derivatives i.e. XVid and DivX "out of the box" or do I need codecs?
Thanks
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Don't think you can add codec to the WMP10, but I could be mistaken. As far as I know, it won't support any derivatives of the MPEG4 family only 'original' mp4 as in i-Pod mp4, hence the reason why I use 'ImTOO DVD to iPod Converter 4' and 'ImTOO iPod Movie Converter'. They work perfectly for me for the meantime, but I will be switching back to Divx and Xvid once the Coreplayer 1.0 Mobile CE has been released. You just can't beat their filesizes over quality. MP4's look every bit as good as the best AVI's, but the difference in size is anything from 200-300 megs of extra space!

thanks for the hint of changing to raw buffer in video option. works great. i love tcmp!!!! it is the THE corking best

glad you got it sorted, TCPMP is superb, even without the ATI.

WMP & Coreplayer on X1

Hi,
Got my Xperia X1 the other day, I have got Coreplayer Mobile as well as the WMP on the phone. I have copied the videos I took with my Nokia N95 to the memory card Ive got in the Xperia.
However when it comes to playing them WMP will play them but it stutters alot with the sound being ahead of the video. In coreplayer there is no video only sound.
Any of you guys got any suggestions to get the video playing smoothly. The videos are .mp4.
Thanks

Try to set in Videosettings QTv Display, here I get a picture and it works ok, not the promissed 30 fps but arount 20 fps with a HDTV Movie.

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Try to set in Videosettings QTv Display, here I get a picture and it works ok, not the promissed 30 fps but arount 20 fps with a HDTV Movie.
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I tried that. I changed to the DirectDraw option and it plays the James Bond Trailer no problem but the videos from my Nokia N95 still stutter alot

madzo2008 said:
I tried that. I changed to the DirectDraw option and it plays the James Bond Trailer no problem but the videos from my Nokia N95 still stutter alot
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Then I don't have any more ideas. Perhaps it'll help trying TCMP instead of Coreplayer?!

Found this on Coreplayers website:
CE/Windows Mobile/PocketPC/Smartphone
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- Does not support the Qualcomm MSM7200 QTv chipset (we only support the MSM7500)
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Is anyone running Coreplayer? Is there anything better?

I've tried to find a resolution/bitrate which gives me smooth video without stuttering and dropouts. I've tested on CorePlayer with DivX and native mp4 codecs.
With a resolution of 400x240, 25fps, 1100kBit/s I get a picture without dropouts and a benchmark around 105%.
If I go higher in resolution I start getting dropouts.
I've set the CorePlayer to Microdrive mode and doubled the size of the buffer to increase the speed when reading from the memory card.
I've tried to copy the clip to the phone memory, but with the above settings I see no difference.
My conclusion is that if you want a smooth picture, don't go above the mentioned resolution. It won't give you that crisp picture, but I get more annoyed when the film is stuttering than getting a HD resolution on a 3" display.
I have no problem seeing mp4 on the CorePlayer though. But if I uncheck the "TyTN II driver mode" in QTv Display settings, I get only sound, no picture, despite the MSM7200 chipset . Don't know if the Nokia's format differs from the one I have used (Cucusoft Ultimate DVD).
Is there anyone else who manages getting a higher picture quality without any dropped frames?

Got this from the Coreplayer forums:
'We are on the verge of the v1.3 bug fix release that addresses many of the current issues including those diamond users running WM 6.1...... however it does not address the QTV issues since there is nothing we can control there other then to express our dismay to both HTC and Qualcomm for not opening up the GPU.
Hey... we've been here before.... lets hope for a more open solution soon enough.'
I wonder what SE's position is on this? Apparently it's meant to have a decent GPU but what's the use if we can't use it? I know one or two people here have contacts with SE - anybody wish to find out?

Praying for hardware supported video playback...

but they said that X1 uses ATI GPU not Qualcomm!
Another lies from SE?

Hey guys, i know this is abit off topic, but has any of you guys had the problem were you install core player, then play a video, and then you exit and go back into it and you the the message "cannot validate the serial number/user ID"? i have uninstalled and reinstalled heaps of times, tried different serial numbers, but it happens all the time use it once, and then the message comes up when you go back into it.

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Hey guys, i know this is abit off topic, but has any of you guys had the problem were you install core player, then play a video, and then you exit and go back into it and you the the message "cannot validate the serial number/user ID"? i have uninstalled and reinstalled heaps of times, tried different serial numbers, but it happens all the time use it once, and then the message comes up when you go back into it.
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Why do you have multiple serial numbers?
Surely it's one Serial per IMEI?

im running coreplayer latest version, and i'm playing divX files direct from my coputr, no downsample full reselution, and with 30fps usibg qtv, it's awsome!

smaberg said:
im running coreplayer latest version, and i'm playing divX files direct from my coputr, no downsample full reselution, and with 30fps usibg qtv, it's awsome!
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for real ? 640x480 24FPS at 800kbs is really laggy for me when playing in CorePlayer using QTV Video Output.

nap007 said:
but they said that X1 uses ATI GPU not Qualcomm!
Another lies from SE?
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The ATI graphics chip is a part of the qualcomm chipset.

fards said:
The ATI graphics chip is a part of the qualcomm chipset.
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Says who, I haven't seen any info about it, any links please.
Of course the qualcomm chip has indeed 3D hardware acceleration but I don't know if it is ATI.

unbelieveable how unprofessional are they! 1st the RAM debate, and now this; not to mention that bad launching and availability.

It is rather disappointing. Even the fish panel is hardly super smooth, leading me to wonder if even that uses the GPU acceleration.
I really do hope SE allow and encourage developers to tap the GPU of the X1 otherwise its little better than all the other WM phones.
I have hope that someone with a reputation like SE will see the sense supporting the developers. The "write something for the panel" is not good enough. The radio is a panel and as the panel is like the home screen, anything on it is turned off when I navigate away from it including the radio.
I really do hope they do not turn out to be as bad as networks like T-Mobile which can't be bothered to support HTC rebranded phones even if its got their name stuck on them.

after using it for 3 days it is now clear that the panels just use low res screenshots and no live data. They dont even update them, i live in germany and when accessing panels the screenshot says New York etc until it finally updates.
So for the panels just being low res screenshots (that must be only some KBs per panel) the performance is horrible and laggy. Cant believe they use any form of hardware acceleration for that either.

toxical said:
for real ? 640x480 24FPS at 800kbs is really laggy for me when playing in CorePlayer using QTV Video Output.
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If the video is encoded in H.264 it's going to be lagging full on. Half of the frame will get dropped. Playing 720x400 24FPS at 1Mbps encoded with XviD on the other hand is smooth and not a single frame is dropped. I've tested this with TP.

Does anyone know how to change the default streaming video player to Coreplayer?
It's very annoying when browsing and the Streaming Player kicks in rather than Coreplayer. I've associated 3gp, mpeg4, etc. with CP but doesn't seem to make any difference.

BEST video encoder for X1 ~Support HW Decode~

I tried many H264 ACC encoder, such as jetaudio and Format Factory. But all of it didn't have a native resolution and basic profile setting for X1
If you have a high demand on video playback.
You could try the GOM encoder. it support the RMVB to H264 + ACC, and it can limit the basicline profile 1.3 and native resolution for X1 WVGA (800x480).
I encoded many video by GOM encoder, the quality is very COOL ~~~~ I am highly recommend of it
http://www.gomlab.com/eng/GMP_download.html
On beside, the GOM player still is beta version and the internet connection is require while running the encoder.
***The beta encoder it will encode a GOM encoder logo on the top right hand corner around 10sec ***
*** Please make sure tick the "limit basicline [email protected]" checkbox and force the output file resolution to 800x450 (16:9), otherwise the video playback on X1 will very unstable***

Dude use MEGUI. It's can encode just about anything and in any resolution. Been using it to convert my blurays to smaller files to stay on my computer for streaming.

you can try SUPER as well...

nap007 said:
you can try SUPER as well...
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I got a error message while running Super on my Windows Vista, didn't know why so many video encoder have problem on Vista

http://www.effectmatrix.com/total-video-converter/index.htm
Total Video Converter 3.14
very easy mp4 h264

this encoder is excellent highly recommended it makes ur 800x400 screen to a mini hd-tv

simdao said:
I tried many H264 ACC encoder, such as jetaudio and Format Factory. But all of it didn't have a native resolution and basic profile setting for X1
If you have a high demand on video playback.
You could try the GOM encoder. it support the RMVB to H264 + ACC, and it can limit the basicline profile 1.3 and native resolution for X1 WVGA (800x480).
I encoded many video by GOM encoder, the quality is very COOL ~~~~ I am highly recommend of it
http://www.gomlab.com/eng/GMP_download.html
On beside, the GOM player still is beta version and the internet connection is require while running the encoder.
***The beta encoder it will encode a GOM encoder logo on the top right hand corner around 10sec ***
*** Please make sure tick the "limit basicline [email protected]" checkbox and force the output file resolution to 800x450 (16:9), otherwise the video playback on X1 will very unstable***
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How did you manage to get yourself a full version of GOM encoder because I can't find a way to buy the software.

What is the video bitrate you guys are using? Also anyone converting to xvid instead of mp4? What is the best setting for xvid?

SPB DVD????

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s.u.p.e.r is a very good programm.
but nvidia kaboom and tcmpg 4.0 xpress can transcode on geforce hardware (8xxx+9xxx+02x0).
on my gtx280 i can transcode with 250 fps (kaboom). really nice!

anyone care to write a tutor for the best encoding video for the x1? I've tried so many different programs and the video playback is sluggish. I use core video player btw

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anyone care to write a tutor for the best encoding video for the x1? I've tried so many different programs and the video playback is sluggish. I use core video player btw
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CorePlayer doesn't take advantage of the hardware acceleration atm so it won't play H.264 videos that well. The best I can get CorePlayer to play is about 1000kbps divx with any resolution. Obviously the video looks worse as you raise the resolution but keep the 1000kbps data rate.
I mainly use the video player in the SE multimedia panel, which does use the hardware acceleration and can play H.264 videos at 800x440 at 1000kbps very well and looks better than the equivalent divx.
As for programs... for encoding divx to avi for Coreplayer, I just use virtualdub. For encoding H.264 you can use a number of apps, but a free one that's ok and was mentioned on these forums is http://www.videora.com/en-us/Converter/iPod/
Basically just create a new profile for the X1 using 800x440 or whatever resolution you want, and set it to about 1024 kbps using H.264.

dinan said:
CorePlayer doesn't take advantage of the hardware acceleration atm so it won't play H.264 videos that well. The best I can get CorePlayer to play is about 1000kbps divx with any resolution. Obviously the video looks worse as you raise the resolution but keep the 1000kbps data rate.
I mainly use the video player in the SE multimedia panel, which does use the hardware acceleration and can play H.264 videos at 800x440 at 1000kbps very well and looks better than the equivalent divx.
As for programs... for encoding divx to avi for Coreplayer, I just use virtualdub. For encoding H.264 you can use a number of apps, but a free one that's ok and was mentioned on these forums is http://www.videora.com/en-us/Converter/iPod/
Basically just create a new profile for the X1 using 800x440 or whatever resolution you want, and set it to about 1024 kbps using H.264.
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Thanks I will try what u suggested. I'm using cucusoft dvd converter btw
Edit: I tried with cucusoft converter, this is my profile. Video bitrate 725 kbits/s, H.264/AVC codec. Resolution 800x450. Audio codec acc 96kbits/s. I played with the default SE player, video kinda choppy and sluggish. I dont know what I'm doing wrong

Any updates on this?

i have made a full script for auto converting a full directory of videos:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=453684
if someone interested...

Some news on the GOM Encoder
With the newest version, there is a option update on "limit basicline [email protected]" . Now you can set it to 1.3 or 3.0.
I've tried 3.0 and it is working fine.
I don't know what's the effect for changing to 3.0. I just assume new stuff and bigger number are better.

Honestly, has anyone figured out what the best settings for Video/Audio encoding are for SE player? Does it have hardware acceleration?

I havent, video still laggy as hell, i use both windows media player and SE media player panel.

Just tried Videora free converter yesterday and today, and works great at 320x240 MPEG (did first one at two passes but you get a 1gb file instead of 500Mb and it really looks the same on the phone screen). And really not laggy at all....I'm not going to say you don't get an occasional jaggy but not very many. Biggest problem is the 1hr+ encoding time per movie

total video converter is best
works grt on xperia
and very fast too
other thn other programms

TCPMP Playback

anyone else finding the playback a little laggy on this???
What can be done on this settings wise???
I have installed the SDHC fix/tune.
Should i have installed the player to the device not the SD Card?
Thanks
Antony

I think TCPMP is completely useless on Blackstone.

It works for me, though I have to admit I encode the movies at 400x240 with DivX at 500kbps. Maybe at MPEG2 you can go higher.
Also, I noticed the GDI driver is very slow, Raw framebuffer is better.
Setting the video at 200% rather than any auto-zoom helped some
Setting 'slow video-memory' in the advanced settings helped a lot.
Still with all this a benchmark only goes to about 160~190%, so I would not try full 800x480 encoding. Its a bit of a pity, because not being able to just dump an AVI on the device and having to recode it first does take the usefulness a bit down.
Maybe we should buy coreplayer. I hear it has the hardware driver enabled.

I have heard that core player still has issues on the blackstone and that they will be resolved maybe in 2.0.... im thinking to wait....