What Multimedia co-processor is in the HTC Hermes? - 8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General

I've been looking for some time, but have come up empty handed. Can anybody direct me to a link that shows exactly what components are in the HTC Hermes? I'm specifically trying to find out which ATI Imageon co-processor is used, so I can optimise video encoding to make use of the ATI decoder on board. Any help will be greatly appreciated as I will gladly share my future findings for everyones benefit. :wink:
Knowing this will help us also know what software will benefit from the co-procesor i.e. GPS, Games and other 3rd Party software. Thanks in advance.

ATI 3200 co-processor it is NOT!!
Hi all. It seems no one is able to add any further info on the hardware/co-procesor of the Hermes.
I'm trying to get the on-board ATI decoder to do its job, but need to find out which co-processor exactly the hermes has. In TCPMP (The Core Pocket Media Player-INMO the best Multi format Media player for PPC devices) folder in the Program Files directory, you can find a file called 'ati3200'. Version 0.66 of TCPMP has such a file dated 9th September 2005; the 0.72version however has an updated file (same name) dated 22nd Febuary 2006! Obviously this has been updated with the later versions of TCPMP, but it seems evident that it is only for that version of the ATI Imageon co-processor.
Back to my point; if we can firmly establish which co-processor we have in the Hermes, we'll b that much closer to getting support in TCPMP for our hardware accellerated ATI decoder, giving us the much needed performance boost we are currently lacking in videoplayback.
Your help is still much needed, so if anyone can contribute any info relating to which ATI co-processor resides in the Hermes, please share.
Cheers all. :wink:
Edit: After having uninstalled version 0.66 of TCPMP and re-installing v0.72rc, plus all codec inluding .aac audio plugin, I forgot to make the associations in TCPMP. So when trying to play a movie I encoded to MP4 (using ImToo DVD 2 iPod Converter) I noticed that WMPlayer plays back the movie file flawlessly without even a single jerk during forward/rewind searches or pause & resume playback. There are NO lip-syncing issues at any time either. It may be premature to say so, but it seems that MP4 hardware accelleration is taking place with the ATI decoder in WMP10 but TCPMP strggles to do it with the same codec but is able to play the file in the inferior RWFRAMEBUFFER mode, which also results in playback being jerky, fuzzy, scrambled etc; therefore indicating that the problem does in fact lie with TCPMP, especially as it only seems to support 1 of the many types of coprocessors in ATI Imageons range!
Not exactly the result I was hoping for, in that this excellent playback cannot be currently achieved in TCPMP. However, I welcome anyone to try it and see for themselves. However WMP10 lacks the settings of TCPMP and where some films may be a tad bit too dark or undersaturated, TCPMP can easily deal with this in its 'Colour' menu under Options settings.

Imageon 2282 it is then. Dissapointed!!
Well at long last thanks to mikechannon for the internal pics of a TyTN, we now know it's a ATI 2282 Co-processor:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1028601&posted=1#post1028601
Well I'm somewhat dissapointed as ATI have considerably more powerful chips that Samsung/HTC could have used, but the benefits are nonetheless worthwhile as it takes the strain off of the main CPU.
Now to let Corecodec know, so they can hopefully implement compatibility with TCPMP and the ATI hardware chip.

mackaby007 said:
Now to let Corecodec know, so they can hopefully implement compatibility with TCPMP and the ATI hardware chip.
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It's been 2 months, so I wouldn't count on that

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ATI IMAGEON enabled device....HTC Hermes..it's all good!!

Ive complained and said enough already. For once I'm pleased to share some nice info not just problems.
see link below:
http://www.4winmobile.com/viewtopic.php?p=37386#37386
It is a rather long post, so if your not in the mood just skip straight to the links at the bottom of the above mentioned post. For those (like me until recently) don't know what exactly a ATI IMAGEON enabled device is, it's well worth a look, especially for those of us who have already forked out for one.
Well, NO, unfortunately it doesn't work properly on the Hermes.
Try it, with something like TCPMP and enable it. You will see the screen jerks, shutters, and fuzzes. (Especially with BlueTooth enabled).
Looks like it another bug with the current rom.
Does work in the Hermes and better than the Universal...
Actually...it DOES work in the Hermes but obviously didn't read the provided link to more info. Where do you think the screenshot came from? It only works with MP4 format files (when using ATI IMAGEON decoder or the option below it) as that is what the processor and co-processor were specifically designed to support. For any other format e.g. Divx or xvid, you'd have to revert to RAWFRAMEBUFFER mode until compatibility had been achieved with 3rd Party Software. It is a bit of a bummer, but then there are already many other benefits that ATI brings that most are probably not aware of, like good MP4 quality recording (hence exclusive support for this format in its co-processor). :wink:
The hermes is even capable of outperforming the mighty 520MHz Universal in videoplayback (but only when utilising the ATI decoder - which still has the scrambled interface until you start the video/benchmarking)

Screen jittering while playing videos

When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
Hi, there are some posts that have tips to help with playback using TCMP, but I myself quickly got irritated with it and installed the latest PocketTV, watched a few of my mpeg's with it and it plays them good, you might check it out.
http://www.pockettv.com/
hope that might be of some help to you.
ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.
I dunno about all the chipset junk, but pockettv plays em very nicely, and I don't have to reencode all my videos(what a waste of time) or deal with semi acceptable playback.
NumSkull!!
ChaoticDruid said:
I dunno about all the chipset junk, but pockettv plays em very nicely, and I don't have to reencode all my videos(what a waste of time) or deal with semi acceptable playback.
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PocketTV supports: MPEG-1/MPEG..........that's it!
TCPMP supports:
Video: MPEG-1, MPEG, MPEG-4, DivX, XviD, AVC/H.264, Theora, MKV, Dirac, OGM, WMV
Audio: MP3, AAC, AC3, OGG, Shoutcast support, MKA, MPC, Speex, FLAC, AMR, u-law, Wav
Pictures: JPG, PNG, TIFF, MJPEG
Multimedia: COSP, SVG
....but if all you want to do is playback MPEGs (which still have to be encoded at a resolution and bit-rate PocketTV can support - even if you haven't had to do it!), then stick with whatever you're happy with.
However most people who are used to having the freedom of using various formats as is supported by TCPMP, will undoubtedly miss the many adjustable settings that also come with the player, hence posts in this particular thread for those who are trying to achieve the type of flawless device/software compatibility most of us have been accustomed to in the past with TCPMP.
Have you ever even tried TCPMP? Have you even considered that AVI file formats & codecs dramatically reduce filesize compared to MPEG, with substantially better quality? There are many different factors why we all use different software and usually the same common denominator why most choose to use the same software i.e .....it's the best out there!!
Even the name of the software you advocate is non-sensical....PocketTV??!! Where is the TV part of the application? Anyway nuff said. For those who know what I'm talking about, my forementioned posts already stated that Betaboy and the Corecodec development team are looking into the compatibility issue regarding the Hermes. Meanwhile my suggestion was, in the interim, to encode new vids to MP4 if you desire DVD quality on your PPC but that you can, for now ONLY,.....get acceptable playback using Rawframebuffer mode, still giving you more format options than the useless PocketTV. :lol:
yep, just turn off the ati and use rawframe buffer option in the tcpmp video options.
mackaby007 said:
ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.
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Does WMP10 support MPEG4 derivatives i.e. XVid and DivX "out of the box" or do I need codecs?
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rpwood said:
mackaby007 said:
ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.
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Does WMP10 support MPEG4 derivatives i.e. XVid and DivX "out of the box" or do I need codecs?
Thanks
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Don't think you can add codec to the WMP10, but I could be mistaken. As far as I know, it won't support any derivatives of the MPEG4 family only 'original' mp4 as in i-Pod mp4, hence the reason why I use 'ImTOO DVD to iPod Converter 4' and 'ImTOO iPod Movie Converter'. They work perfectly for me for the meantime, but I will be switching back to Divx and Xvid once the Coreplayer 1.0 Mobile CE has been released. You just can't beat their filesizes over quality. MP4's look every bit as good as the best AVI's, but the difference in size is anything from 200-300 megs of extra space!
thanks for the hint of changing to raw buffer in video option. works great. i love tcmp!!!! it is the THE corking best
glad you got it sorted, TCPMP is superb, even without the ATI.

TCPMP Fuzzy screen

Did you try TCPMP on Trinity ? Because on mine the screen is flashing and I can't see trought pocket controller too.
Before I've jammin and It work with no problem.
I use tcpmp 72rc1
Any help ? :_)
Thanks
Change video settings to direct draw
thanks a lot .....
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Change video settings to direct draw
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Direct Draw didn't work for me (actually made it worse). The video driver mode that seems to work best (at least on my P3600) is Raw FrameBuffer.
I set the video at GDI and its working fine. My TCPMP is ver 0.81RC1Beta
on my side all the settings are working more or less.
I already got some fuzzy screen but when I press stop (actually I don't see the button but if I press on the place it stand usually ..) the screen is OK.
Now when I watch TV broadcast from my PC (with my internet provider) in mpeg1 384kbs it is better with direct draw than with ATI Imageon whci works better than ATI imageon decoder ....
TCPMP / Coreplayer Doesn't support the combination Samsung CPU ATI Imageon chip, in Coreplayers forum their is a lot of information about that, they are trying to get info about the chip from ATI but no luck yet. Raw Framebuffer seems to work, but gives a really slow TCPMP/Coreplayer. Until the problems are solved I use to convert my movies to "Ipod" format .mp4 wihich Mediaplayer in Trinity supports through the ATI chip, an .mp4 file of 768kbps and 30fps runs smooth in WMP
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TCPMP / Coreplayer Doesn't support the combination Samsung CPU ATI Imageon chip, in Coreplayers forum their is a lot of information about that, they are trying to get info about the chip from ATI but no luck yet. Raw Framebuffer seems to work, but gives a really slow TCPMP/Coreplayer. Until the problems are solved I use to convert my movies to "Ipod" format .mp4 wihich Mediaplayer in Trinity supports through the ATI chip, an .mp4 file of 768kbps and 30fps runs smooth in WMP
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MP4, huh? I'll have to try that out. WMV playback in Windows Media Player is still slow and sucks just like TCPMP/Coreplayer.

Audio/video out of sync on 8525/WM6

Hi guys, I'm trying to track down the source of this problem. Right now I can't seem to fix a problem where audio lags behind video by a short amount of time. I've tried TCPMP 0.72RC1 and CorePlayer 1.04 and both of them have audio/video sync problems. I don't have access to CorePlayer 1.1.1 right now and I'm not willing to pay $25 for a product which I haven't tested for myself to see if it works yet.
So, anyways, what I have here is an a DivX encoded MPEG4, bitrate about 600kbps, audio is 128kbps stereo MP3. I've tested both TCPMP 0.72RC1 and CorePlayer 1.04, both have the same problem. I don't know why I can't seem to adjust the audio/video offset to have negative values, every time I put a negative value in, it always reverts to positive when I close the Preferences. Also for some reason I don't have the ATI Imageon Decoder option in Preferences, I only have access to DirectDraw right now. I don't know if that's because I only have the Smartphone version of CorePlayer 1.04.
This is with WM6, vp3G 3.0.0 ROM (includes the ATI Imageon fix).
Can anybody help me out here?
Well, just following up with OP, I did find a copy of CorePlayer 1.1.1 and not only does it work correctly with ATI Imageon with acceleration enabled (unlike TCPMP 0.72RC1 and CorePlayer 1.04), but I can set audio/video offset to a negative value in Preferences now! If I set offset to -0.200s then the audio and video looks in sync for me.
Interestingly, with ATI Imageon acceleration enabled, my benchmark for my MPEG4 video encode went from 172% in DirectDraw mode to 525% in ATI Imageon mode. So I guess maybe that damned ATI Imageon chip is useful for something after all. Too bad TCMCP isn't being updated anymore, but I'm glad somebody is working on CorePlayer to make it better, even if it costs money.

TCPMP Playback

anyone else finding the playback a little laggy on this???
What can be done on this settings wise???
I have installed the SDHC fix/tune.
Should i have installed the player to the device not the SD Card?
Thanks
Antony
I think TCPMP is completely useless on Blackstone.
It works for me, though I have to admit I encode the movies at 400x240 with DivX at 500kbps. Maybe at MPEG2 you can go higher.
Also, I noticed the GDI driver is very slow, Raw framebuffer is better.
Setting the video at 200% rather than any auto-zoom helped some
Setting 'slow video-memory' in the advanced settings helped a lot.
Still with all this a benchmark only goes to about 160~190%, so I would not try full 800x480 encoding. Its a bit of a pity, because not being able to just dump an AVI on the device and having to recode it first does take the usefulness a bit down.
Maybe we should buy coreplayer. I hear it has the hardware driver enabled.
I have heard that core player still has issues on the blackstone and that they will be resolved maybe in 2.0.... im thinking to wait....

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