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Micro Drive...data transfer problem!!

Hi guys and gals.
I only have 2 more issues with the Ameo at present, then I'm a happy camper.
1) Video playback (will start a new thread after some serious investigations and various setups have been explored).
2) This is a big one, but maybe I'm doing something wrong. I'm having serious problems moving large items of data to the MD via ActiveSync (AS). Not only is it damned slow, but it seems to start and then stop transfers of data if a file is big,...like a 700Mb DVD rip or even a 250Mb movie in any video format.
The only success I have had in that area is to transfer these files to SD card and then move it to MD afterwards...and that is evn slower than through AS!!
It is very frustrating for me as the 8GB is one of the major features for my intended use of the Ameo.
I am now trying to break down amovie into smaller chapters to see if I can transfer it that way, but this is ridiculous and should not be necessary. I've had a Micro Drive WM smartphone before but that was working just like mass storage device and gave no problems.
So I suppose the logical question is...is there any way to get the Athena to be recognized as a mass storage device? I've checked the CD's and there is no such software for it there. I've read the manual and that only states that data is transferred from PC to Micro Drive via useless Active Sync!
Hope someone else has a workaround for this, or maybe it's just my device or PC setup??!!
In any event there is another niggling problem in connection to this;
If moving large photo albums via Active sync, I have to make all files (hidden) to be seen in order to delete any 'database' file relating to the photos, else AS rejects the whole data transfer once it sees these automatically XP generated database files.
Once these files are deleted (do not re-enter the folder was you've deleted the database file else another one is generated!!) the transfer goes ahead smoothly...even if you have hundreds of photos in one folder.
Anybofy else experience this, or is it just me?

mackaby007 said:
Hi guys and gals.
I only have 2 more issues with the Ameo at present, then I'm a happy camper.
1) Video playback (will start a new thread after some serious investigations and various setups have been explored).
2) This is a big one, but maybe I'm doing something wrong. I'm having serious problems moving large items of data to the MD via ActiveSync (AS). Not only is it damned slow, but it seems to start and then stop transfers of data if a file is big,...like a 700Mb DVD rip or even a 250Mb movie in any video format.
The only success I have had in that area is to transfer these files to SD card and then move it to MD afterwards...and that is evn slower than through AS!!
It is very frustrating for me as the 8GB is one of the major features for my intended use of the Ameo.
I am now trying to break down amovie into smaller chapters to see if I can transfer it that way, but this is ridiculous and should not be necessary. I've had a Micro Drive WM smartphone before but that was working just like mass storage device and gave no problems.
So I suppose the logical question is...is there any way to get the Athena to be recognized as a mass storage device? I've checked the CD's and there is no such software for it there. I've read the manual and that only states that data is transferred from PC to Micro Drive via useless Active Sync!
Hope someone else has a workaround for this, or maybe it's just my device or PC setup??!!
In any event there is another niggling problem in connection to this;
If moving large photo albums via Active sync, I have to make all files (hidden) to be seen in order to delete any 'database' file relating to the photos, else AS rejects the whole data transfer once it sees these automatically XP generated database files.
Once these files are deleted (do not re-enter the folder was you've deleted the database file else another one is generated!!) the transfer goes ahead smoothly...even if you have hundreds of photos in one folder.
Anybofy else experience this, or is it just me?
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In the wm2003 environment, I used to have this utility called softick card export, whic allows the active sync to be bypassed and the unit recognised as a usb mass storage device. I used to port over my wikipedia (about 2.5GB in size for one sigle file) over with this.
However, my impression is that the WM5 version is not ready yet. I'm still looking for some equivalent product, or to wait for the WM5 version of softick.

eaglesteve said:
In the wm2003 environment, I used to have this utility called softick card export, whic allows the active sync to be bypassed and the unit recognised as a usb mass storage device. I used to port over my wikipedia (about 2.5GB in size for one sigle file) over with this.
However, my impression is that the WM5 version is not ready yet. I'm still looking for some equivalent product, or to wait for the WM5 version of softick.
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Thanks for the reply eaglesteve, but we got that sorted a few weeks ago by using WM5torage. Not as good as the Softick concept (as it doesn't rely on AS drivers), but it will do for now, as some people have also reported problems with the card export software under WM5 based Athenas.

Minisd content disappeared again :@ best method for format.

Hi all...
for the 3rd time, all data on my Transcend 2GB minisd card disappeared, and again with the same "symptoms" : first some strange jibberish letters appear in new directories, then all the dirs become unreadable..
I managed to recover some data, unfortunately not all of it, but now I'm trying to find a way to prevent this very irritating known issue of our trinities I always made a soft-reset whenever I couldn't access the card anymore, or whenever i noticed any strange behavior, and this worked fine until this case..
Anyway, do you have any recommendation on what's the best way to format the minisd card?? I'm unable of formatting it inside the Trinity, I don't know how to do it (if there is such a method), and strange enough, the card reader embedded in my laptop isn't reading the card at all
Is there a way to format the card inside the trinity?

I have the exact same problem with my sdhc 4gb card and I was about to ask the exact same question. What are the best formatting options to use?
filesystem fat16? fat32?
block size? 4? 8?
etc.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=267475&highlight=partition

@Rudgear: unfortunately it didn't work
Great I tried formatting it using a card reader and using the Panasonic software for formatting SD cards, and now I can't do anything with the card . It still recognizes it both on the PC and on the trinity, but I can't format it again, because it says it is copy protected or something like this
What can be done now?? Is there a program for low-level format or something like that???

pocket mechanic ?

Rudegar said:
pocket mechanic ?
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Nothing It still tells me that the card is write-protected or something like this.
any other ideas?

KamaL said:
Nothing It still tells me that the card is write-protected or something like this.
any other ideas?
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Can you use RESCO File Explorer for format?

dinopall said:
Can you use RESCO File Explorer for format?
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It actually makes a format, I mean it gives a msg of successful format, but eventually nothing changes

It's a known problem for so long - it seems quite unrelated to fat16/fat32/cluster size. It has been reported for corruption problem for many of th combination. It has been discussed too many times here. Do a search and it would turn up some solutions for you.

ww2250 said:
It's a known problem for so long - it seems quite unrelated to fat16/fat32/cluster size. It has been reported for corruption problem for many of th combination. It has been discussed too many times here. Do a search and it would turn up some solutions for you.
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I know what you are talking about, but the problem now is the card itself, and not how it works on the trinity. The card is simply corrupted right now, I can't do anything with it, even not format it to use it as a normal card on other devices!!
Anybody knows a low level DOS format program??

Formatting storage card?

I'm upgrading my Advantage to a 4GB Mini SDHC card from a 2GB MiniSD card. I'd like to format both cards so that each is "fresh". Is it possible to do this in the Advantage, or do these cards need to be formatted from the PC?
Thanks,
Ron

don't format with the PC. Use pocket mechanics professional or sktools.
For the mini, make sure your setting is
- do not backup FAT table
- cluster size set at 32k
- Fat 16
For miniSDHC, make sure the option is
- do not backup FAT table
- cluster size set at 32k
- Fat 32
That will give you the best read/write performance.

eaglesteve said:
don't format with the PC. Use pocket mechanics professional or sktools.
For the mini, make sure your setting is
- do not backup FAT table
- cluster size set at 32k
- Fat 16
For miniSDHC, make sure the option is
- do not backup FAT table
- cluster size set at 32k
- Fat 32
That will give you the best read/write performance.
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Thanks for the info. But I need to purchase another utility to be able to do this? I've already purchased MemMaid which I like a lot, but there doesn't seem to be any card formatting options. Or is it that Mini SD cards don't really *require* formatting?

Rambler358 said:
Thanks for the info. But I need to purchase another utility to be able to do this? I've already purchased MemMaid which I like a lot, but there doesn't seem to be any card formatting options. Or is it that Mini SD cards don't really *require* formatting?
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have you tried the trial version of sktools?
When the card is first delivered to you, they're already formatted. However, once in a while they get corrupted. That's when you may need to do this again. If you find the system freeze constantly or if you have missing files, chances are you have a lost clustered or chains. Sometimes I can recover them with pocket mechanics professional. At other times I prefer to start clean again by reformatting, just like we sometimes do with the microdrive.

eaglesteve said:
don't format with the PC. Use pocket mechanics professional or sktools.
For the mini, make sure your setting is
- do not backup FAT table
- cluster size set at 32k
- Fat 16
For miniSDHC, make sure the option is
- do not backup FAT table
- cluster size set at 32k
- Fat 32
That will give you the best read/write performance.
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I am interested to know why you do not recommend formatting with the PC. And, why the difference in File Allocation Tables between the 2 cards?

Rick76 said:
I am interested to know why you do not recommend formatting with the PC. And, why the difference in File Allocation Tables between the 2 cards?
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The last time I formatted with PC, my system kept hanging and the SKtool performance test rating plummetted to as low as 20 kb/s.
One of the key differences between normal SD(including miniSD and microSD) and SDHC (including miniSDHC and microSDHC) is the FAT thingy. It's just the way things work.

Any programs that format Mini SD Cards?

I bought A Sandisk 1GB Mini SD Card off of ebay for $10
-just the the card no card reader, or adaptor of any sort.
I insert it into my wizard, and it fits it with the spring loaded mechnism fine, but when I go to memory managment, im not sure if it knows it's there or not
Memory management will say that, that "external storage": "Not Installed"?
But when I go to take pictures, I go to the utilities/options menu, then general tab, and it doesnt even acknowledge that theres their a card in the slot, only seeing system memory.
So my question is, are their any programs that can/will format my card, or implement something to make it work?
I have Total Commander(not installed), and thinking about downloading this program called "SKTools". Would these programs work.
Cause not only is this a brand new card, but i have pictures and programs that I want to get installed on this device.
-Ive already amazed myself by using the Lockiwiz, to unlock my phone(having only 2-days worth of exp with a smartphone device)
-taken a few pictures, which i have to downloading off my wizard through activesync
-An some other freeware programs that want to install themselves on the system memory
Please help, all/ and any post greatly appreciated
Thanks!
EDIT: I downloaded SKTools onto my device, and its a cool program( I think its a alternate version of total commander but you pay for it?), but it doesnt recognize my Mini SD card either!!
-I also found this program called "WM5Storage", in the description it say that it's specialty is dealing with "external storage", downloading/ and uploading without the need of activesync?

I used Paragon Partition Manager to partition my minisdhc

panasonic
SDFormatter
the setup maybe you find in www
here is the program-folder,
just extract to c:\programs\
or use a CANON DIGITAL IXUS 65 or else DigiCam

Slow storage card reading.

Anyone noticed the same?
When I brows the storage card with Total Commander the files are read real slow by the system.
You can literly see them popup one by one!
I mean when opening a directory on Storage card I must wait a very long time untill all files are vissible!
My opinion is that this has something to do with the device freezes.
Please confirm if you have simular problem?
Thank you,
Leo

Laurentius26 said:
Anyone noticed the same?
When I brows the storage card with Total Commander the files are read real slow by the system.
You can literly see them popup one by one!
I mean when opening a directory on Storage card I must wait a very long time untill all files are vissible!
My opinion is that this has something to do with the device freezes.
Please confirm if you have simular problem?
Thank you,
Leo
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i have never had this problem. You can look up the cab that speeds up your storage card and see if that fixes it. I saw it on here yesterday I believe.

I think there are three possibilities:
1) Your card is defective.
2) You did not format it with the correct parameter.
3) You have a defective reader in your device.
Do a benchmark using sktool to see if your read write speed is within the normal range.

Thank you,
It must be the storage card that came with the device.
Some files are inaccesable, also when I put it in my usb adapter my desktop doesn't read the storage card.
I lost a lot of data I think!
Maybe formatting the card will help.
Grtz,
Leo
eaglesteve said:
I think there are three possibilities:
1) Your card is defective.
2) You did not format it with the correct parameter.
3) You have a defective reader in your device.
Do a benchmark using sktool to see if your read write speed is within the normal range.
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