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I asked the police today about the legality of tracking etc your phone if stolen using wavesecure or similar in the UK.
The particular officer seemed to think it should not be a problem since it is your property and regardless of who's possession it's in you are allowed to track it.
The legality however of tracking its use is uncertain, their calls, SMS etc, but again, since the phoone is yours, it should not be a problem.
They are going to get in touch with me should further details arise.
It's good to know though that as long as one doesn't attempt to take the law into their own hands, you are ok with tracking your stolen phone and should, technically be able to use this data collected as evidence against the thief should you find yourself able to track them this way.
I don't know if this information is of use to anybody but I thought I would share what I discovered today.
Just because you own a webcamera for instance, doesn't make it okay to stick it into someones house and record their activities does it?
Tracking your phone, no problems at all with that. But i don't think you have any right to read their SMS, Calls. Its a touchy subject.
Just thought i'd add this to your post.
cymru said:
Just because you own a webcamera for instance, doesn't make it okay to stick it into someones house and record their activities does it?
Tracking your phone, no problems at all with that. But i don't think you have any right to read their SMS, Calls. Its a touchy subject.
Just thought i'd add this to your post.
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No, but if they steal your webcam and it happens to be set up to record all activity around it (normally related to yourself) had it not been illegally removed from its original location, you're not to blame nor at fault should it keep recording wherever they leave it, and then provide this as evidence to the police in order to recover said stolen item.
Fair point. to be honest i'm just arguing for the sake of it. Im very bored.
Why not.
Well, we could argue technicalities, my mrs is a lawyer so I'm sure she would argue it out with me all day long about how their are laws against it, but to be fair, I think the law would take your side regardless, and you could even have it permitted on a technicality (i.e. that the server is set up to automatically back up all your data, contacts and SMS for your own data security, should someone elses end up there through illegally obtaining and using your device, that's through no fault of yours.)
Yeah fair play, I know what you mean. Even if its your phone and gets stolen i've no doubt any defence will pick holes in why you were able to have access to their personal information. We all know how good the justice system can be in our country sometimes.
It's true, it's always possible you could end up wit hthe wrong persons data and instead end up with some silly sod who bought a cheap stolen phone off someone (equally as guilty i'd say, but that's a different argument), but that is why the services such as Wavesecure offer options to simply disable the phone and prompt the (new) user to call one of your preset "buddies" or 999 (or any other message/number you care to give them) in order to return the phone.
Normally though I would suggest this would be a last resort, because a thief would probably just dispose of the phone or destroy it if they find it locked as such.
You could always track it down yourself and make a citizens arrest ;-)
Section 24A of PACE '84 :-D
^Don't really do this
Yes
Indeed, it would be perfectly legal to make a Citizen's arrest under those circumstances, however, to stereotype the nature of such a person that is likely to steal a mobile phone, particularly from the area in which I live, it is quite possible and somewhat likely that they are either A) a violent criminal (mugging), B) A drug abuser (mugging) or C) Just outright violent (any other person).
P.S. The moral is that it's not a good idea to try go after it yourself, you might get hurt, or worse......your phone might.
I was literally typing 'Are you from liverpool?' when i read your location on the right
Best leave well alone lol. Let your phone be the only Hero in your partnership.
Indeed
I personally am from the Wirral, but I work and study in Liverpool, and as anyone from Liverpool will tell you, we from the Wirral are considered stuck up c**ts and to us, Liverpudlians are violent criminals, personally, my mrs is from Liverpool, maybe I just want to have a hard life
But anyway, should my phone get stolen, no doubt someone would try sell it to her sooner or later.
A) Just phone your local police and give them the location of the thief and phone, they would love the easy collar.
B) Thieves rights? don't make me laugh. If someone nicks my camera they don't have any rights to the photo's on it when I recover it. I would be more than happy to photograph their cuts and bruises as I use "reasonable force" to excecute my citizens arrest and send them to them.
C) If they do send sms from your phone, just note down the numbers and pass them on to the police too, chances are they are thieving smackheads too so might be able to arrest more!
mantracom said:
A) Just phone your local police and give them the location of the thief and phone, they would love the easy collar.
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yeah sure...
"my phone is somewhere in a 600m circle around main street 145, can you get it for me?"
"absolutely sir, two S.W.A.T. teams are already on their way!"
lol kendon Good one!
As for the issue itself, I wonder how this would go in a country with slightly more relaxed laws (US for example). There, I can really see issues where someone jumps in their pickup with their 'shooting club buddy', tracks their stolen phone using a laptop etc. from the passenger seat, and go setting about making use of the second amendment (click here if you don't happen to know amendments to the US constitution off by heart like me) on the thief (or unsuspecting buyer of the stolen goods).
To be honest, I'd have little sympathy for the thief in that case, regardless of how outnumbered they were. If you steal, you really do deserve what you get. What happened to the concept of an outlaw, where the law affords them no protection from others due to their disrespect of it?
^BTW, don't go doing that just cos you saw it here.
And, for the record, I'm actually from Britain, so maybe a pickup wouldn't be used...
alias_neo said:
Indeed, it would be perfectly legal to make a Citizen's arrest under those circumstances, however, to stereotype the nature of such a person that is likely to steal a mobile phone, particularly from the area in which I live, it is quite possible and somewhat likely that they are either A) a violent criminal (mugging), B) A drug abuser (mugging) or C) Just outright violent (any other person).
P.S. The moral is that it's not a good idea to try go after it yourself, you might get hurt, or worse......your phone might.
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hahahaha "or worse your phone might"
cymru said:
I was literally typing 'Are you from liverpool?' when i read your location on the right
Best leave well alone lol. Let your phone be the only Hero in your partnership.
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yeah sure...
"my phone is somewhere in a 600m circle around main street 145, can you get it for me?"
"absolutely sir, two S.W.A.T. teams are already on their way!"
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LOL! This thread just made my day
Anyway, let's just hope you never have to use Wavesecure.
So I was browsing the registry the other day, to see if any improvements could be enabled, no, actually I was looking for some hidden storage. Sometimes HTC phones have an additional storage, but it's hidden. But I found some additional 20mb. Don't know where it is used for.
To enable it, go to:
[HKLM]\System\StorageManager\Profiles\EXT_Pinet and set MountHidden value to 0 (zero) A soft reset may be required, in order to let it show up in your file explorer.
Anyway, I actually was searching for some 8gb om hidden internal storage to tripple confirm that the HD2 was WM7 compatible, as based on some leaked hardware req. for WM7. but... i could not found it.
WM7 does not need 8GB, it needs only 512MB. Don't believe the bull**** you read somewhere, all the bloggers have no clue.
TRUTH, Im so sick of hearin these bs specs spread around the forum
window mobile 7 only need 512mb not 8gb (even window xp on a computer does not need that mach of memory)
Dude... that reg change screwed my phone badly.
DONT change it.
I have to hard reset!
I can't trust xda anymore ..... you have no idea how much work is ahead of me... restoring everything back.
You just cost me 2 days of work!!!!
lorin.bute said:
Dude... that reg change screwed my phone badly.
DONT change it.
I have to hard reset!
I can't trust xda anymore ..... you have no idea how much work is ahead of me... restoring everything back.
You just cost me 2 days of work!!!!
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srry, i can't surpress a smile... it was not my intention, i hope you realize that, but, the reg edit works for me. hard reset my device often.
lorin.bute said:
Dude... that reg change screwed my phone badly.
DONT change it.
I have to hard reset!
I can't trust xda anymore ..... you have no idea how much work is ahead of me... restoring everything back.
You just cost me 2 days of work!!!!
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Its only your fault, how can u trust him when he wrote: "...Don't know where it is used for..."
Good luck with restoring your settings.
i can confirm that on mine this works. i put stuff in it, reset, and the data remains. phone seems unaffected.
Man, bigger the game bigger the risk!
On my previous two HTC devices I was keen to explore each patch/new rom/new app. Hence weekly hard resets
Now with my Leo, I'm much calmer as I don't have anymore the time you spent reinstalling everything.
Good luck exploring further
This is the last time i do these kind of changes and the last time i trust an unverified reg change.
lorin.bute said:
This is the last time i do these kind of changes and the last time i trust an unverified reg change.
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Man, if you hang around xda-developers and apply tweaks and suff, it's kinda naive to belive you're not gonna have to hard reset from time to time.
And who is crying if you are not going to apply any tweaks anymore?
arxx said:
Man, if you hang around xda-developers and apply tweaks and suff, it's kinda naive to belive you're not gonna have to hard reset from time to time.
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This rather reminds me of the attitude that if someone is mugged and has their phone stolen then it is entirely the fault of the victim for using the phone in a public place. (My own, contrasting, view is that it is more appropriate to assign blame to the mugger).
Perhaps it is naive to assume that people will not recommend a tweak without first verifying that it doesn't break anything serious; but, if so, that's a pretty sad reflection on the mentality of the average XDA poster, IMO. Would it not be preferable to encourage people to verify the effects of a change before recommending it - to the extent that such verification becomes expected rather than exceptional? Should we not encourage people to take some responsibility for their recommendations rather than blaming all damage that results on the victim?
Shasarak said:
Do you also regard it as "naive" to believe that one can use a mobile phone outside a train station without being mugged and having it stolen? And when such a mugging occurs, do you feel that the person to blame for what happened is the victim rather than the mugger?
Perhaps it is naive to assume that people will not recommend a tweak without first verifying that it doesn't break anything serious; but, if so, that's a pretty sad reflection on the mentality of the average XDA poster, IMO. Would it not be preferable to encourage people to verify the effects of a change before recommending it - to the extent that such verification becomes expected rather than exceptional? Should we not encourage people to take some responsibility for their recommendations rather than blaming all damage that results on the victim?
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This was a poor comparison. If you lay the phone at a bench, and going to the toilet, yes, it's a naive thing to do.
(I regret on my participation in this thread)
Shasarak said:
This rather reminds me of the attitude that if someone is mugged and has their phone stolen then it is entirely the fault of the victim for using the phone in a public place. (My own, contrasting, view is that it is more appropriate to assign blame to the mugger).
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lol - that is a bit different isn't it! It's not as if the mugger thought they were giving good advice, but unfortunately ended up attacking someone and stealing from them. Intention makes that a very different scenario.
In this instance, there's immediately 2 people saying that the advice worked for them, so nothing could have been done either by the recommender, or the listener. If lorin.brute had left it a few posts before applying the change then he would have seen people say it worked for them and gone ahead and done it. If hyellow had asked a couple of people to test it for him then the exact same thing could have happened.
I think this is just unfortunate.
Personally, I'm on the side that if you do something then you're responsible. If your passenger told you to drive really fast and turn the steering wheel really quickly because it's funny, would you just do it, or show caution.
(There you go - I've used an excessive analogy now too )
We don't need to argue here. I blame myself. Anybody can come here and post any kind of reg change.
Its just a lesson that needs to be learned.
Although, in the spirit of XDA, i would expect some rigorous testing of the reg before posting.
Shasarak said:
Would it not be preferable to encourage people to verify the effects of a change before recommending it - to the extent that such verification becomes expected rather than exceptional?
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True but I think that at the same time people should also use common sense and do a full system back up (with Sprite or whatever their preferred programme is) "just in case". Then it's just hard reset and 5 minutes to restore to how it was.
arxx said:
Man, if you hang around xda-developers and apply tweaks and suff, it's kinda naive to belive you're not gonna have to hard reset from time to time.
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Really? Haven't had to hard reset my HD2 yet, in 7 months didn't have to hard reset my X1 either. If you're judicious I think you can generally avoid hard resets.
johncmolyneux said:
Personally, I'm on the side that if you do something then you're responsible. If your passenger told you to drive really fast and turn the steering wheel really quickly because it's funny, would you just do it, or show caution.
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The problem with that analogy is that, if I'm driving a car, that implies that I have a fair idea of what the consequences of driving too fast will be. In this case we are talking about someone offering advice to people who are not qualified to understand the nature of the risk they are taking by following it.
A better analogy would be that it's like offering someone some cake when you know there is signfificant risk that it will contain razor blades. You yourself may deal with razor-blade-containing cake on a daily basis, and so you know to carefully sift through it with a spoon before biting; but people who are accustomed to cake that doesn't contain razor blades simply aren't aware that you need to do this. If you assume that the person you give the cake to is aware that it may contain razor blades without bothering to verify that he is, and he ends up getting lacerated, then you are far more to blame for the injury than he is. What you should do in that situation, of course, is actually check whether the cake contains razor blades or not before offering it to anybody; that way it's guaranteed that no one will get hurt, regardless of whether they are familiar with razor blade cake procedures or not. And it is not appropriate to point at the man with the lacerated mouth and accuse him of being "naive" because, when you offered him cake, he assumed that meant it was safe to eat.
I'm not getting in an analogy war with someone, especially someone on the forum that I respect, so I'll drop it. We obviously just see this from different perspectives, and I believe we should agree to disagree
Anyway, lorin.brute himself said it best...
lorin.brute said:
We don't need to argue here. I blame myself. Anybody can come here and post any kind of reg change.
Its just a lesson that needs to be learned.
Although, in the spirit of XDA, i would expect some rigorous testing of the reg before posting.
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See - we're both right lol
Shasarak said:
A better analogy would be that it's like offering someone some cake when you know there is signfificant risk that it will contain razor blades.
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Not quite, The OP didn't have any problem after applying the tweak, and nor did the following two people, so why would they 'know' it was dangerous? After three posts 100% of people had found no problem, so why would anyone assume it was going to go bad?
Hello,
I got my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Stolen cant track it as i did not have tracking on it and battery was empty (gps is off)
I am getting tomorrow ne phone (same)
What options are out there.
I often forget phone to desk or to mall or to car etc.
how to prevent that happening again?
I have heard that Samsung Gear watch will vibrate when it will loose connection with my Galaxy Note 3
Can i set it up this way that my watch will also vibrate and make noise (also phone?) when i am too far with my wach from phone.
Can i change the distance?
This prevents me forgetting phone somewhere when i move elsewhere?
I did also find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpQIhIky9o8
Or is there more options with similar devices?
As this proximo should exist also for android devices and not only for iphone
You could simply learn to be more responsible.
Forgetting your phone is your own fault. You're just going to have to condition yourself to not let the phone out of your hands. Done with it? Put it in your pocket.
Set up a Samsung account, you can use it to track your phone. As for gear options, no idea.
Send From My Samsung Galaxy Note 3 N9005 Using Tapatalk
Android Device Manager can track a phone, lock, and wipe it. It can also ring it if misplaced. It's best not to lose it, of course. You can enable it from Google Settings.
First of all ShadowLea i have not blamed anyone else that my phone got stolen. And phone WAS in my pocket.
If you have no knowledge is there any other similar devise that i mentioned above why to comment?
You think that i don't feel bad already that having my phone stolen and now you come here to point to me with ur finger and ***** that it is my fault?
Thank you for your "friendly" attitude.
If you have no idea is there any similar device then why to comment?
I have no use of this samsung tracking as when phone is stolen they will turn off phone and replace sim card so tracking device is not an option or...?
Question was will the Samsung Gear wach alarm me when i am let say 1 meeter away from phone (alarm on phone via voice and same with wach)I have heard that watch will actually vibrate?
or is there any other device Similar to devices i mentioned above.
Maby some small sticker type alarm so when phone (that has sticker or... attached) and will be too far from me it will raise an alarm.
Bit too harsh dude. He was merely giving you advise.
Cocliosttro said:
Hello,
I got my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Stolen cant track it as i did not have tracking on it and battery was empty (gps is off)
I am getting tomorrow ne phone (same)
What options are out there.
I often forget phone to desk or to mall or to car etc.
how to prevent that happening again?
I have heard that Samsung Gear watch will vibrate when it will loose connection with my Galaxy Note 3
Can i set it up this way that my watch will also vibrate and make noise (also phone?) when i am too far with my wach from phone.
Can i change the distance?
This prevents me forgetting phone somewhere when i move elsewhere?
I did also find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpQIhIky9o8
Or is there more options with similar devices?
As this proximo should exist also for android devices and not only for iphone
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next time just set up android manager and set up a samsung account and use the device tracking
or if you are rooted you can use cerberus app and put it in the system app with this
the only way to remove the app its by doing a full factory recovery
if they reset the phone the app will still be install https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lsdroid.cerberus
So if user puts in his own sim card i will still have full control over that phone?
Usually phones (those new ones) have this factory reset button inside. If they press that one it will not help? As thieve can`t remove that app?
I wanted myself to push that security even further. As idea is same as that kensington has.
So for example i am in a pub. Phone is in my pocket and i am on dance floor or waiting on bar line to buy my drink or i go to toilet and i place phone for second to sink or toilet paper holder i do my things and when i start to move away from the phone or someone is stealing phone while i do not notice (those thieves are skilled and can pump in to you and say oh sorry or what ever and next thing you notice is that phone is gone.) and it will raise an alarm on my phone and on that secondary device (key holder on my pocket etc) and both devises start to make loud noise so i will notice when something like this happens.
I start to leave toilet while phone is still on the sink system will alarm as i am away from phone for example 1 meeter or thive is walking away with my phone and it will raise an alarm.
That was the point.
I have searched for many devices that can actually be useful.
But thank you for your effort to help me.
Cocliosttro said:
So if user puts in his own sim card i will still have full control over that phone?
Usually phones (those new ones) have this factory reset button inside. If they press that one it will not help? As thieve can`t remove that app?
I wanted myself to push that security even further. As idea is same as that kensington has.
So for example i am in a pub. Phone is in my pocket and i am on dance floor or waiting on bar line to buy my drink or i go to toilet and i place phone for second to sink or toilet paper holder i do my things and when i start to move away from the phone or someone is stealing phone while i do not notice (those thieves are skilled and can pump in to you and say oh sorry or what ever and next thing you notice is that phone is gone.) and it will raise an alarm on my phone and on that secondary device (key holder on my pocket etc) and both devises start to make loud noise so i will notice when something like this happens.
I start to leave toilet while phone is still on the sink system will alarm as i am away from phone for example 1 meeter or thive is walking away with my phone and it will raise an alarm.
That was the point.
I have searched for many devices that can actually be useful.
But thank you for your effort to help me.
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A few Smart watches have these features, Galaxy Gear was mentioned earlier, apparently so does the HOT watch.... One of it's features is if you leave your phone behind when it gets a certain distance away(probably 10 meters as it's bluetooth) it will vibrate and let you know about it.
As was also stated google have Android device manager. You can locate, ring or wipe and lock your phone. As long as it can be contacted through mobile internet or wifi this will work... Read how here - http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39...t-android-device-with-android-device-manager/
Avast anti theft has geo-fencing feature and a whole load of other goodies too.
I did find this topic:
http://www.inc.com/john-brandon/5-start-ups-the-samsung-galaxy-gear-might-kill.html
they write there at point 4:
4. StickNFind
This phone finder system is pretty cool. There's a leash mode that sounds an alarm if you leave your stuff behind. The thing is, if the Galaxy Gear is a big seller, there's no reason to use the stickers if your main concern is losing a phone. The Gear watch will alert you when you leave your phone behind. It even locks the screen of your phone when you walk away and unlocks when you appear again. There are a bunch of other companies who make similar finders, including the Tile app. If they're not paying attention to the Gear now, they should.
As i understand i need to get sticker for my wach and it will raise an alarm when i am too far from my phone.
ShadowLea said:
You could simply learn to be more responsible.
Forgetting your phone is your own fault. You're just going to have to condition yourself to not let the phone out of your hands. Done with it? Put it in your pocket.
Set up a Samsung account, you can use it to track your phone. As for gear options, no idea.
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illusion786 said:
Bit too harsh dude. He was merely giving you advise.
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Let's be fair, the RESPONSE was Harsh, patronizing and judgmental.
Of course it's partly fault of the user. But when someone feels the needs to state the obvious, it's usually not to be informative, but rather to glout.
The BOLDED quote is not advice, but judgmental opinion at best, and a emotional jab at worse. Now granted, while certain things deserve judgment, call it what is is, instead of cowering away and calling it "advice".
At least, hopefully, you (OP) turned on Reactivation Lock, so they can't bypass your screen lock (surely you had one) by flashing your ROM.
Don't forget to call the service provider to blacklist the IMEI so it can't be sold on the black market. This will prevent future thefts.
Yes, StickNGo is a good alternative. But it doesn't look like they have a use case required for your reversed direction location. Worth noting is that Android 4.3's Bluetooth LE stack is still buggy enough to cause usability issues and also if you notice StickNGo's indiegogo, lots of people are getting replacement tags due to some problems.
The other recommendations here are great so far. :good:
Check out cerbus. It's cheap and nice
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klau1 said:
Let's be fair, the RESPONSE was Harsh, patronizing and judgmental.
Of course it's partly fault of the user. But when someone feels the needs to state the obvious, it's usually not to be informative, but rather to glout.
The BOLDED quote is not advice, but judgmental opinion at best, and a emotional jab at worse. Now granted, while certain things deserve judgment, call it what is is, instead of cowering away and calling it "advice".
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I'm a sociopath, I don't do 'emotional'.
Yes, it was harsh. Yes, it was patronizing. Yes, it was judgemental. It was meant to be exactly that. The only way to get the point across to these kinds of people is to stop. being. polite.
You teach children at age 4 to be mindful of their possessions and to not loose their valuables. If you still don't know how to do it when you're over 12, you deserve every bit of judgement.
This is a 1000 dollar phone, not a 5 cent pen.
Start treating it for the value it has, as opposed to a cheap bit of plastic.
Cocliosttro said:
Hello,
I got my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Stolen cant track it as i did not have tracking on it and battery was empty (gps is off)
I am getting tomorrow ne phone (same)
What options are out there.
I often forget phone to desk or to mall or to car etc.
how to prevent that happening again?
I have heard that Samsung Gear watch will vibrate when it will loose connection with my Galaxy Note 3
Can i set it up this way that my watch will also vibrate and make noise (also phone?) when i am too far with my wach from phone.
Can i change the distance?
This prevents me forgetting phone somewhere when i move elsewhere?
I did also find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpQIhIky9o8
Or is there more options with similar devices?
As this proximo should exist also for android devices and not only for iphone
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Future proof yourself. But there's a nice niche you can do to the old stolen phone... the imei on the phone... can be blacklisted... the serial on it... can be blacklisted... bam... whomever uses it is stuck with a tablet, nothing more.
Had a friend buy what was thought to be a good phone, seemed to have been blacklisted in another province in canada, and well he was sol. He blacklisted his proof of purchase s4 he traded for the other phone, but both him/them have equally good tablets now...
Blacklist it via your cell provider. See what they can do, as they still have the old information for your account.
- rmleloup
Good, I have little problem with people who have the decency of calling something what it is, instead of wasting time being disingenuous.
Here's the thing, few lessons are as memorable as those resulting from experience. If your goal was for him to learn his lesson, then I think our OP will have no problem remembering after paying $$$ for this lesson, even without the extraneous comments.
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rmleloup said:
Future proof yourself. But there's a nice niche you can do to the old stolen phone... the imei on the phone... can be blacklisted... the serial on it... can be blacklisted... bam... whomever uses it is stuck with a tablet, nothing more.
Had a friend buy what was thought to be a good phone, seemed to have been blacklisted in another province in canada, and well he was sol. He blacklisted his proof of purchase s4 he traded for the other phone, but both him/them have equally good tablets now...
Blacklist it via your cell provider. See what they can do, as they still have the old information for your account.
- rmleloup
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This is news to me, but it looks like you're right about the existence of a national blacklist. Until now, my understanding was that the Europian Union, was the only place with a national/international blacklist.
When did your "friend" lose his/her phone? Because it looks like the national blacklist was only VERY Recently implemented
READ: http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/09/30/cwta-and-its-partners-launch-gsm-blacklist-for-stolen-cellphones/
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Looks like Bluetooth LE is just not properly implemented in Android. Bluetooth LE reliant products across the board are either having serious technical issues with Android based systems or have out right declined to support the operating system.
Found at Tilesapp FAQ:
No Android support?
At this time Android does not support Bluetooth 4.0. A few Android phone manufacturers have released BLE SDKs, however they are lacking in quality and stability. At Tile, the quality of our products is of utmost importance, and until there exists an Android platform that meets our quality standards, we will not be releasing a Tile app for Android.
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ShadowLea said:
I'm a sociopath, I don't do 'emotional'.
Yes, it was harsh. Yes, it was patronizing. Yes, it was judgemental. It was meant to be exactly that. The only way to get the point across to these kinds of people is to stop. being. polite.
You teach children at age 4 to be mindful of their possessions and to not loose their valuables. If you still don't know how to do it when you're over 12, you deserve every bit of judgement.
This is a 1000 dollar phone, not a 5 cent pen.
Start treating it for the value it has, as opposed to a cheap bit of plastic.
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I have hoby named bodybuilding.
When i go to competition i have to lower my body carbon hydrate level to 6% less that level is MORE you will forget.
As it is food to brain.
I wont quit my hoby because i may loose my phone.
I will try to find solution and your comment did not help.
if somone is unfriendly to me i will reply same. How i will act will be reflected as how did you act.
With me it was always like this and it will be like this.
Other people who did comment here Thank you.
I will deffenetly look in to this Cerberus app.
I wonder will factory reset remove that.
klau1 said:
Let's be fair, the RESPONSE was Harsh, patronizing and judgmental.
Of course it's partly fault of the user. But when someone feels the needs to state the obvious, it's usually not to be informative, but rather to glout.
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The other recommendations here are great so far. :good:
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To be fair you have to admit it's entirely the fault of the user. Neither the phone nor the sink did anything wrong and I'm pretty sure the pocket didn't play a part in it either.
I agree with Lea that he needs to condition himself NOT TO FORGET THINGS. I he forgot the $1000 phone he can just as easily forget his wallet or his keys, and they can't be traced or wiped.
And dude the hobby thing plays little part in it. I'm on a 1.500 cal lc paleo diet and never forget anything. As you taught your body to burn fat and gain muscle, teach your brain to remember the important things.
Buy Cerberus app from play store. It's probably the best in the category. Factory reset and changing sim cards won't remove it if you implant it as a system app. Tracking works from a PC or via sms. It has a lot of features like sounding alarm, taking picture, locking phone, wiping phone, tracking, recording sound, recording video etc. ..
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DISCLAIMER: This isn't about resetting a stolen device, since this discussion doesn't apply to what to do AFTER it was blocked
I'm very happy with the combination find my mobile + reactivation lock. I've noticed that all our s5 are running a c&c client named Compuserve Agent (com.absolute.android.agent).
Now comes the disturbing part: I can't remove it. If I delete it it just pops out again.
I don't want a third party trojan horse, anyone who as access to my EMEI can in theory control my device, the traffic to the C&C can be seen and possibly it is not that secure.
Did anybody attempt to remove this?
venereo said:
DISCLAIMER: This isn't about resetting a stolen device, since this discussion doesn't apply to what to do AFTER it was blocked
I'm very happy with the combination find my mobile + reactivation lock. I've noticed that all our s5 are running a c&c client named Compuserve Agent (com.absolute.android.agent).
Now comes the disturbing part: I can't remove it. If I delete it it just pops out again.
I don't want a third party trojan horse, anyone who as access to my EMEI can in theory control my device, the traffic to the C&C can be seen and possibly it is not that secure.
Did anybody attempt to remove this?
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That doesn't sound particularly disturbing. If you want to take the red pill I'll give it to you.
Samsung, like all major developers/OEMs, is known for including backdoors in their software. Not 3rd party trojans but actual backdoors in apps such as Task Manager, Camera etc. The usual excuse they give is that they've included those backdoors for law enforcement to be able to protect us easier. And now we aren't even talking about low level backdoors and trojans that are hardcoded in to the chips..
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That doesn't sound particularly disturbing. If you want to take the red pill I'll give it to you.
Samsung, like all major developers/OEMs, is known for including backdoors in their software. Not 3rd party trojans but actual backdoors in apps such as Task Manager, Camera etc. The usual excuse they give is that they've included those backdoors for law enforcement to be able to protect us easier. And now we aren't even talking about low level backdoors and trojans that are hardcoded in to the chips..
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http://lojack.absolute.com/en/products/absolute-lojack
It's a partner's application, for me it's still 3rd party PAID service, remote controls from sammy and absolut C&C client are 2 different applications in the mobile.
Do we really need both? Disturbing in terms that somebody can abuse from it.
Don't think the OP knows what a trojan is.
Thanks but I've reversed many c&c clients/servers much more elaborated and first thing is to try to hide client code. I'm concerned that anybody can see how it works. I don't need it and I want it removed, that's all.
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As any half reasonable search would have revealed, the cited process is a legitimate stock app. Computrace authored by Absolute Software. It's an anti-theft measure that is embedded in the firmware and NV memory.
You may not like it, but it is in no way a rogue app or trojan horse as you claim. Do a search and you will find a number of existing threads on the subject as well as press releases from both companies about the theft-recovery rationale for Samsung including it on your phone.
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His behavior is no different than other malware in the market, it's just sitting there waiting for me to pay for a service that I'm not going to pay, Samsung still have their own "backdoor" maybe you have a good excuse for then to make them separate services. Like I told anybody that can see your emei in the path that the device takes to reach your hands can activate it, operators are doing soo. Not everybody lives in a free country, and from my perspective I've the right to disable it
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Of course the only way to push this kind of sw it's by finding legitimate excuses. The same persistence technics applied to this are for sure applied to Samsung software, I still find that weird. Security through obscurity has never been a solution. Knocking Knox is as ilegal as knocking this. And if it has flaws then they should be public in order to get a better one on next update. Samsung have their own anti-thief measures in a separate service
if ur so worried about the dystopian nature of samsung, root and flash cyanogen. sure ull invalidate warranty but who wan'ts any favors from those NSA-like evil overlords
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if ur so worried about the dystopian nature of samsung, root and flash cyanogen. sure ull invalidate warranty but who wan'ts any favors from those NSA-like evil overlords
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I'm sure you missed the point I made above about the fact that simply flashing another rom is not enough if you're looking for real security. AFAIK it is completely possible to hardcode a backdoor into the device's chips or have a dedicated chip just for this purpose. If you are really concerned about your safety you should either get it done yourself (build a device from scratch) or you should hire someone to do it for you. Buying a device from the public market and talking about real security is ridiculous imo. :good:
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I'm sure you missed the point I made above about the fact that simply flashing another rom is not enough if you're looking for real security. AFAIK it is completely possible to hardcode a backdoor into the device's chips or have a dedicated chip just for this purpose. If you are really concerned about your safety you should either get it done yourself (build a device from scratch) or you should hire someone to do it for you. Buying a device from the public market and talking about real security is ridiculous imo. :good:
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actually it was more an agreement with the idea that people would buy a phone made by a large company by using a service from another large company and expecting neither company to do something to protect their investment is silly. also theyd do anything to strip out this "spyware" then complain if samsung refuted a warranty claim cause it was mucked with
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if ur so worried about the dystopian nature of samsung, root and flash cyanogen. sure ull invalidate warranty but who wan'ts any favors from those NSA-like evil overlords
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after all said you still think is that easy? this is persistence trough firmware, not kernel/OS related. same as having something writen on your disk when bios loads
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I'm sure you missed the point I made above about the fact that simply flashing another rom is not enough if you're looking for real security. AFAIK it is completely possible to hardcode a backdoor into the device's chips or have a dedicated chip just for this purpose. If you are really concerned about your safety you should either get it done yourself (build a device from scratch) or you should hire someone to do it for you. Buying a device from the public market and talking about real security is ridiculous imo. :good:
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guess so, but since somebody GOT us root.....
without root yes, but with root.............
real security does not exist. but it's much more difficult to enforce real-security when the user have root privileges
before that point they still have to make it work with the phone powered down, after that we can talk about chips
lazyness works like this
If you are so concerned, install a firewall app - droidwall and restrict network connection. Also there is an app to revoke certain permission of your installed apps.
these 2 should increase your security somehow
venereo said:
guess so, but since somebody GOT us root.....
without root yes, but with root.............
real security does not exist. but it's much more difficult to enforce real-security when the user have root privileges
before that point they still have to make it work with the phone powered down, after that we can talk about chips
lazyness works like this
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Buy a Blackphone.
sam20e said:
If you are so concerned, install a firewall app - droidwall and restrict network connection. Also there is an app to revoke certain permission of your installed apps.
these 2 should increase your security somehow
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Agent sends your number as soon as it calls home and it can send you SmS with the commands.
I can stop it, I just wanted to know if somebody actually managed to remove it
FYI:
Devs angrily dismiss Absolute Computrace rootkit accusation
Absolute Computrace Revisited
And believe me, Computrace just started now on android, AFIK they have absolute no experience in android. They don't even can afford a dexguard license! out-of-the-box proguard? DISTURBING
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Majority of people selling phones over the Internet these days, take actual pictures of the device along with its box, and the IMEI is often visible. I m guessing there is a certain amount of fraud associated with IMEI - so what can be done to prevent such fraud? Assuming that someone's bought a device who's IMEI is revealed to someone with a malicious intend. E.g. phone gets blacklisted for no apparent reason. Any way for legitimate users to protect themselves in such scenarios?
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Majority of people selling phones over the Internet these days, take actual pictures of the device along with its box, and the IMEI is often visible. I m guessing there is a certain amount of fraud associated with IMEI - so what can be done to prevent such fraud? Assuming that someone's bought a device who's IMEI is revealed to someone with a malicious intend. E.g. phone gets blacklisted for no apparent reason. Any way for legitimate users to protect themselves in such scenarios?
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maybe try only buying from people who dont do stupid things like that and maybe try
http://imei-number.com/imei-number-lookup/
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maybe try only buying from people who dont do stupid things like that and maybe try
http://imei-number.com/imei-number-lookup/
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Just can't get round my head why would someone be so naive and post IMEIs like that. They could blur it out and mention something like 'clean IMEI'. No need to make it that easy for scammers!
OK - so there is this: http://www.checkmend.com/uk/
Might be useful running a check prior purchasing a new phone. Dunno if it actually works on brand new devices. But since IMEI fraud could also affect a new device, I don't see why not...