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Hello all . . . need I say it? But, I'm new. Not just to this forum, but also to pda/smart phones.
I got an O2 XDA Mini S yesterday and began playing. Firstly, quick basic question, are all these the same thing:- i-mate, K-JAM, HTC Wizard and O2 XDA Mini S?
OK, next, I've been reading some sites today and one of the most repetitive things I've found is the recommendation to remove the O2 software from my device - on the basis that it is causing it to run slowly. But, I haven't found that to be the case, but remember I'm new to these toys.
I also came across Magic Button for closing apps properly, not just hiding them.
Lastly, before I move on to the subject of this post - can someone clarify the difference between a hard reset and a soft reset. In particular, if I do a hard reset, do I loose eveyone from my Contacts?
But, here is the question that relates to the subject:-
I turned on bluetooth and tried to send a picture from a Samsung D500 to the XDA Mini, but no luck. I also tried with a Samsung E720, no luck there either. Lastly, I also tried with an Apple PowerBook G4 and it was unsuccessful also - but it was more informative - it basically suggested that the capability didn't appear to be there.
I did turn on bluetooth on all the devices and I also made the XDA Mini discoverable. The two phones could scan and find the XDA, as could the Apple, but neither of the phones could retain the name of the XDA in the list of previously identified devices (I hope that is clear what I mean). The Apple could retain the name, but still can't interact with it.
I have tried changing the COM ports round - ie COM 7 incoming COM 6 outgoing AND COM 6 incoming and COM 7 outgoing, but that didn't make any difference.
The most bizzare thing (not really all that bizzare I suppose) is that Infra-Red works, so I could transfer stuff (albeit awkwardly) from my old phone to the XDA.
I was wondering (probably stupidly) if the 02 software could be limiting the functionality associated with the bluetooth, or if Windows has restricted it to only be used with ActiveSync [I just can't think of any other reason for it not to work].
Any light that could be shed on this would be appreciated.
Cheers.
1. Yes they are all the same things.
2. The o2 software tends to be quite animated, this slows down the device a little, it also masks the way the phone was intended to be used. Its not really necessary which is why its best to remove it. Plus, it free's up memory for other stuff.
3. There is a lot of talk on these forums about different programs that can "really" close an app as opposed to "minimising" to the background. There are "for's" and "against" arguments regarding this. It is true that programs only minimise when you press the "x" button but it does state, er, somewhere, i think it was in one of the help files in the device, that memory is managed automatically by windows and that programs are shut automatically to make room for new ones if memory becomes low. So you shouldn't have to worry about running out of memory, also when minimised the programs appear quicker than if they had been shut down, usually from where you last were too. This can be a good or bad thing depending on the point of view of the user. However, from my point of view and i think i share this with many other users, i "feel better" knowing that a program shuts when i've finished with it and it will start from a common point when i next open it. I think this is more down to the fact that people are used to this than anything else.
The program i use for this purpose is called SmartSkey, made by one of the people on this forum,it can do either and you can have an exception list of apps that minimise only, which is quite useful. Also it makes navigating the device easier with one hand, which is REALLY handy, it may be worth looking into.
4. A hard reset will make your device appear exactly how it did when you first switched it on. Anything at all that was on there will be gone, so yes you will lose your contacts. There are 3rd party applications you can use that can back up the whole device though. A soft reset just restarts the device and nothing is lost. Its equivelent to restarting a windows PC as opposed to Re-formatting one.
5. As regards you bluetooth problem, the only thing i can think of is that i have noticed that the device needs to actually be "ON", not in "sleep mode" or obviously "OFF", in order to successfully receive files via bluetooth. If it is in sleep mode then devices can see it but can't connect. I can honestly say i've had no problems as you describe with bluetooth names and stuff on mine.
Sorry i can't help you more with the bluetooth, but i hope the other info was of help to you. Enjoy your new toy, they are very customisable and as a result of which can be very annoying too. :wink:
Be prepared for late nights and hair loss, else, ignorance is bliss
Thanks for the reply Clivectmob. Very informative.
I've been playing again. This time I sent a picture from the XDA to the Samsung E720 and I was successful, but it doesn't seem to want to work the other way around . . . very strange.
I might bring it back and see if they can figure it out.
If anyone else fancies a shot at a solution, just fire away, I'll take any suggestions.
Again, thanks Clivectmob
Last question.
If I take the O2 software off of this, can I return it to factory settings by doing a hard reset?
Yes you can, as I said, it will be as it was when you first switched it on.
All that software is stored on a hidden ROM on the device, when you hard reset it goes through a customization sequence afterwards where it puts it all back on. One trick is to wait until it displays the customization message, then pull out the battery. Switch back on and it will not customize it, but then you need to manually configure all your conection settings and so on, so you need to be reasonably up on the use of them for that.
Is anyone experiencing a loss of network connection after installing a bunch of apps and then rebooting?
Its as if one or two of the apps are modifying the network settings (to something non CDMA based I suspect, since most apps were written prior to CDMA exposure), then after reboot network connection fails, all the sprint desktop default widgets force close (no network connection), and any attempt to get into network settings (or to toggle on/off mobile network via the power menu) results in a force close as well.
The only solution to date is a complete data wipe and reset, forcing you to re-install and simply never let the battery run down or reset the phone for ANY reason.
This is my 2nd phone doing this now, its got me really worried.
Anyone have any ideas?
Wow, am I the only one? And through 2 phones, damn.
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Wow, am I the only one? And through 2 phones, damn.
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sounds like an account provisioning problem to me, nothing from the marketplace changes apn (or whatever cdma calls acct. settings) i'd talk to somebody "in the know" at a sprint corp. store, or with customer service.
I am having the same issue...I already did a wipe 3 times on my phone because anything I try to do force closes...I've talked to sprint and everything is correct on my account...provisioning wise and no one has a clue what
I am talking about
I too am having the same problem. Have you guys had this issue after a fresh hard reboot or only after installing apps?
Happens (randomly) whether I install apps or not, and it seems to be a random amount of time.
Sprint Tech support had me do a dial pad code something like ##768# menu or close to that (call sprint tell your issue they will give you the code), course you cant even do that without a recovery wip4e since the dialer crashes every time you hit it. My only theory is PDANET, anyone else loose connection fairly soon after PDANET install? Since its typically installed via side load (not the typical apk installer in the OS), or maybe Sprint detects it and shuts us down, they are not kindly toward tethering in my opinion.
i've never installed pdanet, so i'm certain it's not the issue.
Ive been having the same problem since the day I got the phone. I originally thought it was related to pandora, but now I dont see any correlation between what programs I have and when the problem happens.
It isnt any one program. I have found if I go over 70 installed apps it will do it till you remove a program or two to get back to 70 or less. You dont have to hard reset. I have not come across a solution to this yet and I am not rooted either.
cm26 said:
It isnt any one program. I have found if I go over 70 installed apps it will do it till you remove a program or two to get back to 70 or less. You dont have to hard reset. I have not come across a solution to this yet and I am not rooted either.
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Do all of you with this issue have that many apps installed? It sounds like so many things are starting at boot-up that it's overloading the memory. Android (just like other smartphone OS's) has a feature that auto kills tasks when it gets low on memory. If you have 70 apps there is a good chance that a large number of them are starting at boot-up whether you realize it or not. So it sounds like the result is Android just starts killing tasks at random to free memory and it's not doing it in a very graceful way.
That theory only works if all of you have a huge amount of apps though.
I thought the same but its not other programs starting. i have tried with just games, which dont auto start and same problem. are any rooted users having this issue? i have to delete a program to try a new one. 70 sounds like alot but it ain't.
cm26 said:
I thought the same but its not other programs starting. i have tried with just games, which dont auto start and same problem. are any rooted users having this issue? i have to delete a program to try a new one. 70 sounds like alot but it ain't.
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70 games is likely to be over 100 megs. With all the Sprint and HTC stuff on there already if you add in 70 games and they are over 100mb then you are probably maxing out your space. Can you check your free space and free memory and report back?
30mb left it is a limit. i have 70 apps and if i install 1 more i wont have service and everything forces closed until i uninstall any app to get me to 70 again.
It's an app limit. It seems to only be on the Sprint Hero, and I can confirm it on three phones, the exact number of apps seems to be phone specific, but it happens somewhere between 70 and 80 apps, usually in the low 70's. The size of the apps doesn't matter, things like browser skins count for this as well. After you exceed the number, the phone becomes broken after reboot, until you remove apps, and reboot again.
Using google brought me to a thread on another android forum with posts from people who have run into this also.
My current solution has been to use ASTRO to backup apps 60 + to the SD card. Then in case the phone reboots (a rare enough occurrence), I uninstall a set of apps, reboot and reinstall them from the SD card. It is a very annoying workaround, and I would really hope that HTC ends up fixing this somehow.
Does anyone know if this problem goes away with one of the custom roms?
I am having this same issue, but I am not downloading apps. It just goes off and on every minute or so. I don't have to be doing anything. In settings it says standing by for connection, it may finally connect then in about a minute it goes off again
I'd like to know if anyone is having the same lag problems as I am getting from time to time..
The lag happens for no reason and comes at different times while doing different things.
I downloaded Watchtower from the Android Market to monitor what was happening. When the phone is running fast the /INIT process is showing as 0%..as soon as the lag starts to happen I check Watchtower again and the /INIT process is at anywhere from 70% to 100% CPU usage.
I dont use an app killer but I donwloaded one to try and see if it would correct the problem, it doesn't. The only way to solve the lag is to Restart the phone, then its fine for the rest of the day, sometimes two days but it always comes back.
I sold my SGS because of the lag issue and now it seems I have it with the DHD..
I did google this and I found that it maybe something to do with android itself..looks like /INIT is an android process..
If you notice your DHD lagging then download Watchtower and I'd bet you will see the /INIT process killing your phone..
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EDIT - A fix has been found to stop the /Init process lagging the phone.
On your phone go to..
Menu/settings/applications/development/now turn on Usb debugging..
This seems to keep the / init process at 0% CPU usage, it also works when the /INIT problem starts, turning USB debugging on will make the /INIT process drop back to 0%, very nice to see.
Ive contacted the Dev to find out if he can tell us why this method has fixed the problem.
Still need an update from Htc but at least we can use our phones again..
There doesn't seem to be any negative effects from turning this option on, the only thing to note is turning it off to connect to your pc could bring the /init process back and lag your phone. You can download Android Manager from the market for free which will allow you to transfer data from your pc using Wi-Fi, using this app you can keep the USB Debugging on.
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EDIT 2 - It looks like you can connect to the pc via USB cable with the debugging turned on without problems, the only difference is that it will try and install additional drivers...because of the debugging mode..
Im using windows 7 and the ABD driver wont install...you need to download Htc Sync on your pc which downloads the ABD driver !!
We should also watch the battery as this may actually increase battery life...
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EDIT 3 - Not one single person has come back to me and said that the /INIT problem has returned after this fix...lets hope it stays that way.. 10/11/10
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EDIT 4 - A lot of people including myself have found that this fix improves their battery life quite a bit.
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Last EDIT before thread is locked just for reference and to help people !!!
For people that have the com.htc.bgp process that loads the CPU it stays at 80-90% all the time, and i have autosync on, if you stop auto sync the process goes out....
So here is the final fix in the link below (post 7)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=659325
Thank you to everyone in this thread for there efforts...amazing response.
Thanks to all the XDA Community...Including the Devs and Mods
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nednapalm said:
I'm getting the problem.
No apps installed except the flash and maps update, oh and OS Monitor.
Have turned off "Fast Boot" and removed battery to reset, ok for now. Very scared to start installing more apps, nearly unusable when it is lagging
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I also tried the "turn off fast boot and it was ok for 2 days, it came back this morning though..It is very worrying and yes, the phone is unusable until it is Restarted..Thanks for the reply.
sanju007 said:
LAG WHAT?
I hope not, the samsung galaxy s have lag issus and its very bad and i sold de sgs
And now the DHD gets also lag problems ?
Ik hope not, then i will not buy this phone
Maybe an good task killer wil help ?
More people have lag issus ?
Can you make a video ?
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An app killer doesn't solve the problem and Im unsure how many people are having this problem, to my understanding its not many...that's why I started this thread to try and find out.
I wouldn't worry yet...
I will make a video when it happens again...it may take a few days to come back....but it always does...a video added to this thread would be most useful...just have to wait till it rears its ugly head again.
So it seems that /init is a core process regarding the initialisation of the Android system and userspace hence the fact it cannot be killed using OSMonitor. It is always the first process that runs on Linux systems after boot and acts as a parent process which itself initialises then processes needed to get the OS going.
Here is a description of the Android Init Process from elinux,
'init'
A key component of the Android bootup sequence is the program 'init', which is a specialized program for initializing elements of the Android system. Unlike other Linux systems (embedded or otherwise), Android uses its own initialization program. (Linux desktop systems have historically used some combination of /etc/inittab and sysV init levels - e.g. /etc/rc.d/init.d with symlinks in /etc/rc.d/rc.[2345]). Some embedded Linux systems use simplified forms of these -- such as the init program included in busybox, which processes a limited form of /etc/inittab, or a direct invocation of a shell script or small program to do fixed initialization steps.
The init program processes two files, executing the commands it finds in them, called 'init.rc' and 'init.<machine_name>.rc', where <machine_name> is the name of the hardware that Android is running on. (Usually, this is a code word. The name of the HTC1 hardware for the ADP1 is 'trout', and the name of the emulator is 'goldfish'.
the 'init.rc' file is intended to provide the generic initialization instructions, while the 'init.<machine_name>.rc' file is intended to provide the machine-specific initialization instructions.
The Bug
The /init bug has presented itself on numerous handsets including the HTC Desire, Nexus One and Droid X models. It seems to be specific to Android 2.2 and reports the same symptoms on all handsets. Primarily this is due the 99% CPU usage causing system slowdown and left unchecked, high battery usage. It is not specific to HTC Sense ROMs as it also presents itself on stock releases. The only solution so far is a reboot. Hard Reboots and altering system settings seem to have no effect on the reproduction of this bug.
I can only speculate to what is causing the issue and hopefully a Dev can shed some more light.
Logically it seems as though a 'rogue' process is triggering /init to resume its primary function in regards to checking filesystems and attempting to spawn other system process. Due to some form of miscommunication between the processes in question, /init continues to perform these post boot tasks in a constant loop.
Think of it like this, if you try perform tasks straight after boot, the phone is unresponsive while the SD is mounted/checked and all other processes are fired up. The /init process is responsible for these tasks. If it were to loop, you would experience the symptoms we are having.
I found this on Wikipedia:
After /init has spawned all of the processes specified, init goes dormant, and waits for one of three events to happen:- processes it started to end or die, a power failure signal[clarification needed], or a request via /sbin/telinit to further change the runlevel.
So our trigger should hopefully be narrowed down to these three events.
Regarding what I posted before, the connection between sync and the bug has proven itself to be a false one.
I've also noticed that sometimes the bug can be present, however there is little impact on the responsiveness of the OS. It can seem as though everything is ok yet the CPU load can be extremely high, resulting in poor battery performance.
Anyway, hopefully more people can contribute to this thread so we can build up a better picture of what is going on. I will also try and grab a Logcat and ask anyone else near their PC when it happens to do the same.
There is a thread here which has users complaining of the same problems, yet no solutions are presented. Hopefully we can make a bit more noise and get some definitive answers.
Regards.
Hey guys some great feedback here, as with my link on starting this thread the /INIT is an android 2.2 process, auto sync on/off doesn't solve the problem neither does a hard reset, taking the battery out ect...
The guy in the link says his method worked for him, can't say the same for myself, I have a feeling his problem will be back...but if it did fix it for him then thats great, just cant say the same for me
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...3&postcount=42
I have gone 5 days without the problem coming back and then Oh no its back, sometimes it happens twice a day, all the above doesn't fix this problem im afraid from what I have experience anyway.
The /INIT process is only 132k, something so small causes the phone to be basically unusable....very frustrating.
The 1.32.405.6 update also doesn't solve this problem, I updated yesterday and 10 min later I had the dreaded /INIT problem...
The so called "turn off fast boot doesn't fix the problem either, I have had the /INIT lag problem with it switched on and off...
What I find to be the most strangest thing is that if this is indeed an android process which it most likely is then why doesn't every DHD phone have this lag from time to time???.....why only certain phones??..
I haven't had the problem since yesterday (around 12 midday), when it occurs again I will be posting a video as requested...
The mystery continues.......There is NO solution as yet that fixes this problem.
Thanks to Lynxboy, your posts give some good information.
I wonder if this has any relevance to the problem from a linux based PC..
It seems that /INIT uses the same Process ID - 1 (found from using watchtower)
http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialInitProcess.html
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You purchased it from ebay, but did you buy it from a shop or from an individual (second hand)?
If you got it from an ebay shop they should give you a receipt. If it was from an individual, he should give you his original receipt (that's when the warranty started).
Anyway, the phone has a 2 years warranty, so you are covered for the next 2 years minus 1 or 2 weeks. And the paypal transaction is a valid payment receipt (it can be verified directly with paypal); so even without the receipt from the first owner HTC should cover you since the phone can't be 2 years old.
Get in touch with HTC directly, they should replace it. But the tricky part is that the problem must happen when they check it out, for this reason I would also make a video of the problem the next time it happens and send it to them by email so they can keep it on file with your RMA.
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Thanks for the advice, Im going to contact the seller, he had it on upgrade and shipped it to me the following day..he seemed a nice guy so It should be ok...Now its just a matter of waiting for MR INIT to show up haha....wonder if he wears a hoodie LOL
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I'm not wrong because I see it with my own eyes. Even my DHD had the same problems as described. After the update no more /INIT at 90% and it keeps running smooth now.
Try to keep your patience before quoting a person who is willing to help others.
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What?? Why do you think I made this thread...to help myself and others...as we do at XDA....the update doesn't fix the problem....just because yours hasn't lagged since the update doesn't mean its fixed....I've gone 5 days with no lag and it came back...like yours probably will.
Ridiculous....
EDIT- You can't post a statement that the problem as been fixed when numerous people have done the update and still experienced the /INIT problem...how can it be fixed??...and since the update only came out yesterday you have no way of knowing this for sure... its way to early to say that.. Try reading through posts in the forum and gather some information next time.... the update was for the youtube fix, we're not even sure that HTC were aware of the problem at the time.
Hi guys,
Just finished work and have caught up with the thread since I last posted and wanted to clarify a few things. I would also ask any new readers to find my previous post which covers much of the nature of the /init process.
The problem is solely software based. The hardware is NOT at fault!
The /init process is the parent process of Android/Linux, hence the PID 1 in OS Monitor. Imagine it as the ignition system in your car. You need to turn the ignition to fire up the other systems and that technically is the role /init takes.
It is not a rogue process in itself. It cannot be killed or closed via a task manager.
The latest update was not a fix nor does it resolve the issue.
The bug IS a Froyo bug and affects numerous devices not just the DHD although it is not present in all Froyo ROMs.
It is possible the memory management is to blame however I have run many Froyo based ROMs from FRF55 and not experienced it before; they all use the same memory management.
The three triggers for /init to awaken after its boot tasks are completed are specified in my previous post. These are the most likely causes for our issue and are in my mind triggered by some rogue process interactions.
A logcat will only really be useful if it captures the event taking place. A logcat taken when the /init process has started will report back specifically that.
Just because you haven't experienced the bug in 2days doesn't mean you are bug free, nor is there a bad batch of phones as this would indicate a hardware issue.
Continuing this thought, it is possible if you are on a branded operator ROM you may be bug free.
The /init bug is extremely annoying.
Regards.
Yes off topic...
Im asking the mod to still keep this a sticky but to lock the thread as there is really nothing left to discuss and its just here for people that are still having the /init problem as a reference...
EDIT - Thread being locked soon so....
Agian thanks to all xda community !!
Is this stickie needed anymore? Has this been corrected by any software update?
I've had this problem since the day I got the phone (December 2010) and got it again today. Once I see the obvious lag of everything, I just restart.
If it can help...
I have noticed this phenomenon the first time just after installing 2 things in my DHD :
- creating the HTCSense account (and keeping it synchronized one a day)
- installing the HTC plugin for Picasa Web Albums in the Album application.
Maybe coïncidence, maybe not.
I have disabled all HTC Sense stuff I can see. It always happens when performing some action, like opening a new app. It seems to occur so randomly, it happened again the day after my last post, but has been fine since then.
Problems with calendar after removing cache and program data.
I had major problems with com.htc.bgp using up to about 90% of my processor from time to time. When I searched the forums I found this thread.
I tried what is stated in the top post and went ahead and cleared the calendar data and the gmaill data. This is all fine, I don't seem to get any more warnings about com.htc.bgp reaching the 90% mark. One slight problem that occured though is that now when I'm syncing my calendar back to what it was, it either does not search or does not find all the other calendars that I have. The list is just totally empty. Strange as it is, It does find and sync with the default [email protected] Gmail's working fine and syncing properly though.
Since I rely on the calendar I really need this to be fixed as soon as possible.
I don't want to put words in your mouths, but I figured I might need to factory reset the phone. No biggie, but a time consumer, since I need to recustomize everything again (not rooted, not titanium).
Are there any ways of luring the calendar back on track. Jumpstarting it without a factory reset?
Thanks in advance.
Henrik
So apparently all it needed was a full night of syncing, because now it works again.
It seems though that I got rid of the annoying com.HTC.bgp that drained my processor.
Thanks to the thread
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Have not experienced this since the 2.3.3 upgrade, problem solved!
I'm having this problem on my Defy after installing SetVsel, setting any values, after time the cpu stuck at 100. Watchdog lite didn't show nothing but 100%, not any process higher than 50 even. I turned on in the watchdog to show system processes and ther it showed that:
init
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Had most the time the highest percent used
I googled and found this topic. The
Menu/settings/applications/development/now turn on Usb debugging.
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solution solved my problem. The proc isn't anymroe stuck at 100%.
I have searched through XDA and read all the threads regarding the 'suspend process' issue. The specific issue is outlined in Issue # 11126 on the Google Code/Android project home...
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=11126
I am trying to get to the bottom of this, as best as possible. For all intents and purposes, this really appears to be a mystery. Ultimately, it appears as though there is (currently) absolutely no specific reason a to why 'suspend' runs wild until the device is rebooted.
My question is (I know we can all only speculate):
Is there any chance that this could be Google account-specific?
The reason I ask is, I've been doing some "testing," just to try and make sense of this for myself. Here is what I've done/come across thus far...
- My fiancee's first MT4G was a black one manufactured in Taiwan. It had the inferior LCD-SH-C2 screen. Her battery was draining VERY quickly - i.e. before noon, without using the phone for much else other than texting.
- I enabled USB Debugging for her, to "rule out" the init process issue.
- Even though she only had Handcent, Facebook and Angry Birds installed, I removed all of them, leaving only Watchdog.
- I factory reset her phone, twice.
- For all of the above, the device was not rooted. I have since rooted her phone via the steps in this thread.
I'm in the process of creating a new Gmail account for her, exporting ONLY her contacts and then using that account for her new MT4G (Plum) that's scheduled to arrive today. I'm actually thinking of NOT using her new Gmail account at first though, so I can use her original Google account on this new, clean device and see if the suspend issue persists.
I might just be wasting my time, but I enjoy doing this and I don't think it's a complete waste to try and find SOME constant here. Am I nuts for thinking it's tied to the Google account? The Google account seems to be a black box of sorts. There is more than just contacts, apps and settings, yet there is no "window" into everything else that comes down - e.g. I can't log in to Gmail and "configure" it to not restore her wallpaper or WiFi settings. So that's why I say it's a black box of sorts, since it's doing more in the background than we have control over.
Nothing is truly random, at least not in the context of Android and the hardware affected. There has to be some reason why users of various devices, either do or do not experience this issue. Whether it's a specific action or the something that differs between one person's action vs. another person's, there has to be SOMETHING that's triggering this on her device, yet never triggers it on mine. I guess I'm just trying to flush everything out and hope that discussing it will help rule out/rule specific variables.
Let me know what you find. This is driving me crazy! I charge my phone at night, so when I head to work it's at 100%. By the time I'm heading home (4-430pm)... the phone is around 15% battery.
Watchdog tells me suspend ranges from 5%-49% at any given time. I've never had suspend drop below 5% except on fresh reboot. I've noticed, though, after a reboot that the suspend process will slowly work its way back up to using lots of CPU cycles (it starts at, say, .2%, then 10 minutes later its 3%... 30 minutes later its 5%... an hour later its 9%). Battery just gets hotter and hotter due to this.
I'll be checking back to see what you find! Thanks!
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Let me know what you find. This is driving me crazy! I charge my phone at night, so when I head to work it's at 100%. By the time I'm heading home (4-430pm)... the phone is around 15% battery.
Watchdog tells me suspend ranges from 5%-49% at any given time. I've never had suspend drop below 5% except on fresh reboot. I've noticed, though, after a reboot that the suspend process will slowly work its way back up to using lots of CPU cycles (it starts at, say, .2%, then 10 minutes later its 3%... 30 minutes later its 5%... an hour later its 9%). Battery just gets hotter and hotter due to this.
I'll be checking back to see what you find! Thanks!
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According to XDA and Issue #11126, you're not alone.
What's really bugging me is that neither my first MT4G, nor its 1st replacement or its 2nd replacement, have ever done this. My fiancee's first phone did this. She is now using my 2nd replacement while she waits for hers to arrive (today). So a device that never exhibited this issue, over the course of at least a week of normal-for-me use, started exhibiting this issue for my fiancee maybe a day or so after using the phone.
I thought I had "solved" it when I didn't see it crop up the first day she used my replacement phone. She was quick to let me know I was incorrect.
So I've got serious pressure here - all of my MT4G's haven't exhibited the out of control 'suspend process' issue while I was using the devices, but with her, it does. <queue the jokes>
We own our own business, so we're in the same room all day long while we use our phones. I was the first to tell her, "it's something you're doing." I'm only repeating myself by saying that I blamed it on an app she installed or something she "did" to cause it. After factory resetting, what...2, 3 times...I'm starting to forget; after checking the apps that are installed (and removing all of them); after verifying every setting from USB Debugging, screen brightness, account sync, etc. I seem to at least be able to say, "every single setting, shortcut, widget, app or usage pattern, does not produce the issue on any device I have used with my Google account, whereas it does with my fiancee."
That's the most difficult part to get absolute - the usage pattern. She's doing such basic things though, but I know that even the slightest of difference can produce different results.
I will most certainly report my results, futile or not.
The only common denominator I've noticed so far is that it only affects Sense UI devices.
Chadastrophic said:
The only common denominator I've noticed so far is that it only affects Sense UI devices.
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That seems to be the constant, to a degree. I'm seeing people state that they're having this issue on anything from the Samsung Galaxy S (i9000) to a Nexus running Cyanogen 6.1. That's people stating it though, so I'm not sure if they're actually experiencing the same issue or not.
I am biting my tongue, but I think I found another common denominator...I am going to post back in a coupla days once I've seen it last for this entire week.
hi,
i'm running cyanogenmod 6.1 on a desire hd and have been experiencing the suspend process problem exactly as described in this thread a nubmer of times now over the last week. so its definately not limited to devices running sense.
the only circumstances this behavior hasnt shown is when running 2g only with all other sorts of communications and sync off
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hi,
i'm running cyanogenmod 6.1 on a desire hd and have been experiencing the suspend process problem exactly as described in this thread a nubmer of times now over the last week. so its definately not limited to devices running sense.
the only circumstances this behavior hasnt shown is when running 2g only with all other sorts of communications and sync off
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Yeah, it didn't seem 100% related to devices running Sense, so thanks for posting back to this.
My fiancee was experiencing this across her first two MT4G devices and has yet to experience the issue on her third and final MT4G. I want to see it run the rest of the week though before I share, but the issue did pop-up for her pretty much within 24-48 hours on her first two MT4G's.
Shlongwoodian: I have been following your posts as the "suspend" process has been affecting me since I received my phone the first day available. However, I am reluctant to send for a replacement as all else is great on the unit I have and there seems no gaurantee that a new phone fixes this issue.
I have tried Tmo and HTC and both seem clueless; therefore, I appreciate your research and look forward to any "fix" short of waiting for Gingerbread.
Anyone have any wisdom to pass on? This issue is driving me crazy! I've noticed it most on my black MT4G (w/the good screen) after browsing the web, youtube or using the media player. My wife's red MT4G (w/the inferior screen) has had no issues and her battery is amazing! The first day she got her phone her battery lasted 24 hours without even conditioning it! Granted she doesn't use it like I do mine, but it is still a huge difference. When this issue comes up on mine, I'm dead within 3-4 hours. I have Watchdog set so when it alerts me I just soft reset. That clears it up until it decides to come back at random intervals. It usually doesn't come back until I open the browser, etc. With as much as I use my phone (I am constantly on the road), it becomes a major pain to have to constantly monitor battery life. Any help is greatly appreciated!!!
Man, I am sorry to report that I gots nothin'. Ok, here was my original theory...
I was speculating that "something" inside the Google/Gmail account was the cause. My reasoning being, essentially, your info is stored in a database. When you get an Android device, that online database is synced locally with the phone's database. We each have different databases and there is more than just your apps, Market links, contacts, etc. I never exhibited the /suspend issue on phones that she experienced the /suspend issue on. I figured it was database-specific.
If a table contains a value, or rather, does not contain a specific value (or if columns are missing, etc.), it can cause an application to respond in a negative way. Sometimes, this causes an error to bubble up in an application. Other times, it doesn't. In my experience, I've seen much more subtle issues in databases, that don't cause errors or a crash, but instead just cause "undesirable results."
When my fiancee got her final, good replacement Plum Glacier, we started with a completely new Google account. We thought we nailed it, when a handful of days passed without seeing /suspend get out of control, leading to Android System and/or OS sucking down battery life. I think it was nearly a week into it and one day while she was out, she realized she lost battery life really quickly - i.e. left the house with 90% and by the time she got to the store, shopped for a bit and looked, her phone was down to like 30-40%. She knows how to check for /suspend and it was, of course, back.
It's still not something that can be completely ruled out, since it's not a very air-tight test. There could be something about my Google account (which I've had pretty much since Gmail beta was available) that's keeping me (and others like me) from getting it or that idea could be crap.
For some reason, I have never, ever seen this happen on my Glacier(s) running stock 2.2.1. Phones that I never saw the issue on, she saw the issue on. There is so much speculation around it, but it just seems like "some people" don't experience it and "some people" do. It's all over different devices, different skill levels, etc. No apps, same apps, whatever and it happens to some but not others.
Sorry to get anyone's hopes up. I'll keep looking for differences/similarities though and if I find anything at all I'll - or if anyone else finds anything, no matter how ridiculous it sounds (yes, we've tested the 'rock' and it doesn't appear to suffer from the /suspend issue) - post it here.
Thanks for trying! It was a good theory. So . . . now what? Is there any way to get this ranked higher with Google, HTC, etc. to get more people working on it? It is really driving me nuts! It mainly happens after I use the web browser, then put the phone on standby for some reason. I can't even use the browser any more without needing to reboot it to save battery life. There is another thread, but specifically for the Evo and I think one for the Nexus one, all with the same problem. What if a new thread were started that is not device specific? That way we can get more people to star it and maybe Google or whoever will pay more attention to it! I would hate to think that we are stuck with this problem until when and if we get upgraded to 2.3. I would suggest rooting and flashing a new ROM, but even those with custom ROM's are having the same problem, so that's not going to help. Thoughts???
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It mainly happens after I use the web browser, then put the phone on standby for some reason.
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It truly is a mystery to this day. I've seen people say, "it happened right after I installed Handcent" or "it happens as soon as I do..." No one has come up with any concrete evidence thus far.
My fiancee has Handcent, I have Handcent. I used Handcent heavily, never had an issue. She stopped using Handcent - still has the issue. We've gotten so granular in our troubleshooting, we're literally tracking every step. LOL i.e. I pressed the trackpad to wake the phone, once; I unlocked the phone, I swiped my thumb once to view my Watchdog Widget on the screen to the left of my homescreen, etc., etc., etc.
So, for now, we just wait? My phone (and all previous phones) have been just fine. My fiancee however...yeah, I'm trying to find a fix pretty quickly.
One common theme that I've seen with this issue is that it only happens after I put the phone to sleep. I have never seen it crop up while actually using the phone. Maybe we're going about it the wrong way in trying to identify an app, etc that's causing the problem... perhaps it is simply the code involved in putting the phone to sleep and that's why there hasn't been any consistency with what one does to make it appear. In your experience, have you ever seen or heard of it showing up while the phone is being used? Perhaps it's just on mine that it works that way, but I thought it was worth mentioning. I know nothing about code or how android works so please forgive the noob comment if this is an obvious one. Merry Christmas!
I've got this problem big time. Returned my first phone because I thought it was the phone. First few days were good but lately its back and as bad as ever. First thoughts were angry birds twitter or wifi but I have no idea. If I can't figure this out I might have to sell this phone.
I will try to post some more thoughts. I think you're onto some good ideas here.
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(Re-posting from the developer's Google blog where others are following this issue): Interesting about using the phone without a Google account. Not sure if this is relevant or not, but I've noticed something else with consistency. Granted I wasn't able to document the behavior through system panel at the time, but this has consistently happened. When suspend goes crazy, I can get it to stop simply by charging the phone! Even if I charge the phone for a few seconds, then unplug, it stays dormant without having to reboot. Noob speaking here but perhaps the part of android that actually logs the battery usage is suspending when the phone goes to sleep? When it us charging, this log is reset and clears the process from running. If this is even possible, then could someone write an app that clears this system log? Maybe by mimicking what happens when the phone is charging, we can at least temporarily clear the issue without the need tovl reboot? Again, I know nothing about all this so sorry if this is all irrelevant. Just sharing what I've noticed to be consistent. Thoughts??
Also, I saw on another xda blog (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870557&page=2) that someone linked this issue to a corrupt photo on the sd card. After formatting the card and restoring some files, says the issue has not returned!
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Also, I saw on another xda blog (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870557&page=2) that someone linked this issue to a corrupt photo on the sd card. After formatting the card and restoring some files, says the issue has not returned!
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I wonder if you're on to something with the SD card. I've been thinking I haven't seen the suspend issue return on my phone in quite a while. I just realized that the only thing I've really changed is installed a new 16 gb SD card. Since then, no suspend process problems. For those who are having the problem still, I wonder if removing or formatting their cards would show any improvement? Worth a shot if at least to eliminate another possible factor.
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That's cool that this thread is flushing out other ideas and possible variables. I like the idea of connecting it to the charger for a couple of seconds, but my fiancee is so used to just rebooting her phone each morning and sometimes again by mid-day, that it's easier for her to do just that.
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Even if I charge the phone for a few seconds, then unplug, it stays dormant without having to reboot.
Also, I saw on another xda blog (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870557&page=2) that someone linked this issue to a corrupt photo on the sd card. After formatting the card and restoring some files, says the issue has not returned!
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I like the microSD Card notion. This is such a weird issue, that it's so easily associated with other items - e.g. applications, usage patterns, etc. This seems feasible though, but the only way to know for sure is to reproduce it. My fiancee experiences the suspend issue daily, if she doesn't reboot regularly. So, I should be able to take her microSD card and use it in my phone and get the suspend issue. I don't want to 'muddy' up by swapping microSD cards, so I'll try reformatting her card and see if that makes any difference. She usually sees the issue within 24-48 hours of a fresh boot, so it shouldn't be long before we see if that fixes it or not. I can check the card for errors, etc. as well.
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I just realized that the only thing I've really changed is installed a new 16 gb SD card. Since then, no suspend process problems.
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I'll be upgrading to a 16 GB Class 10 soon, so I can give her my Samsung if need be. I'd really like to see if this is it though. It would explain the "some people get it and some people don't" pattern.
I also noticed that the minute I plug the phone in the problem goes away. Not sure why, just confirming it happens to me too. I also should note that when I returned my phone, they popped my old SD card into my new phone. So if there is an SD card issue with a corupt file/photo that could be something as well. I wonder woody if your girlfriends phone has had the same SD card after how many times did you say you traded it in? BTW, a side note, how did you exchange it so many times? After I took mine back to the store on day 14 they told me I wasn't able to exchange it again.
I do have a 16GB SD card but just haven't had time to install it. Wanted to double check which things I need on the new one from the old one, but it might be a good way to test this issue. Let me know some ideas before I swap the cards and maybe I can help test this.
Also, one more thing, what is the app you're using to log stuff? I'm just using Watchdog Lite right now.
I've got to figure this out or this is a dealbreaker for me. I have waited 3 years to upgrade phones, first time on Android, really wanted iPhone but wanted to stick with month to month from TMob. If this continues I think I will move to Windows Phone 7 or iPhone if I have to, but I really like this phone when the battery is not draining like a leech.
Thanks.
werk,
Just wondering what process you went through when you upgraded SD cards. Did you copy any files over to the new one or just start blank?
Thanks.
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werk,
Just wondering what process you went through when you upgraded SD cards. Did you copy any files over to the new one or just start blank?
Thanks.
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Just straight copied the existing files over from the old card to new one (new one in phone connected via USB, old card in SD adapter in my laptops SD card slot). I think some Angry Birds files didn't make it due to long paths, but reinstalled it and no problems since then.
Hi, I know people are usually looking for opposite, but this happened to me yesterday: was playing score oriented game without save option for 3 hours going for personal best, still not dying and it was 2 AM. So I just left it running with pause and screen off. It was working that way whole day for me. But in those long 8 hours of innactivity phone automaticly killed it, started loading like newly launched app. I was so mad I instantly uninstalled game and wanted to smash that phone. I have my hands to clear my ram manually when I really need it, no need for this nobrain automatic cleaning. When I pause app running I want it to stay there unless I decide to kill it, no matter what. Dont care about some lag or battery life. For me only reason to buy expensive phones like this instead of 150€ phones is gaming, portable console (actually phonecalls and SMS are like 3% of my phone usage). On my computer when I leave singleplayer game minimalised its there (even after few days) as I left it. Is there any way to make it possible on android? Smashing clear ram manually 150 times per day is better option for me than this auto clearing bull***t. My phone is rooted, but I am noob in android, have no idea if its even possible to do.
EDIT: Sorry, bad section, didn't notice Q&A, thought this is just offtopic general discussion about anything S7 related. Can you please move it?
The phone shouldn't kill any apps by itself unless...
1. You have some memory clearing apps that do that.
2. Your phone run out of memory. Some ****ty app or game that is poorly written can cause memory leak which continuously taking more and more memory until process being killed when the phone run out of memory.
3. Your phone restarted when you sleep.
Also memory clearing apps are useless on android and can actually slow down your phone a lot.
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Thx for reply, i did not download any memory cleaners but there is some default samsung app for it, must check it for settings. I dont think phone restarted - it might, but it never happened to me on this version of rom during day. Memory leak from some apps or something wrong with this app - that might be the case. Or maybe I screw something in aroma while installing rom where I chose some batery/performance tweeks without description what they actually do.
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EDIT: Sorry, bad section, didn't notice Q&A, thought this is just offtopic general discussion about anything S7 related. Can you please move it?
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Hi,
Done, thread moved in Q&A section.
Friendly advice: next time, use the report button to ask the thread to be moved, any moderator affected to the area you post will handle this. We moderators don't read every threads so if you only write "Can you please move it?", good chance it won't be noticed
Thanks!