I searched this forum, but found no answer to my following question:
I have a Hermes with WM6.
A coworker also wants to buy this device (or similar), but had one question I couldn't answer::
Is it possible to use a WM6 device as a modem for my laptop to use UMTS (3G) or GPRS and still be able to receice phonecalls?
I never used this sollution, so I wasn't sure.
He needs to use the device as a wireless modem very often, but is afraid that he loses phonecalls during this time.
Has anyone an answer to this?
thanks
Martijn
hi.... depending on the network. say, some networks setup by ericcson have a bug, as i am told.
You can connect to 3g/gprs. However, if you make a call or receive a call, if you have a data transfer happening simultaneously, it will stop. Your connection will not break. But whatever you were doing will sieze. You can resume your internet activity once the phonecall ends.
If you have a network setup by one of the other players like nokia siemens, then you will not have this problem
@mirage22
I don't realy follow you. You say that it depens on the network, but speak of Nokia, Ericson and Siemens. Do you mean this will work with Nokia,..etc phones and not with the hermes (TyTN)? Or is it dependent of the network provider (Like T-Mobile/Vodaphone)?
It seems to me that if you have a 3G connection, it's still possible to place and receive phonecalls. Just like receiving an sms. That's also possible when in a phonecall..
Isn't this something a lot of people do every day?
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hi all,
i got a very annoying "feature" in the O2 Cosmo(T-Mobile Dash). The incoming call will be blocked(heard busy tone) if the GPRS is in transmission. I was complained by many friends.
To my understanding, there's a setting in some phones to enable both GSM/GPRS concurrent connections. Is there such setting in Windows Mobile?
My ROM is 1.13.207.2, RADIO is 4.1.13.28_02.63.90
i tried to refersh its ROM, but don't know how to CID unlock. the "RUU_Excalibur_SPL-1.11_UpgradeOnly.exe" on the server has no luck for me, still "Invalid model ID".
can anythone show light on me?
thank you
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I think microsoft released a patch for that: i'll try find it on google for you. can you explain what configuration you used?
I think the 'patch' you need is called 3G.
I have the exact same problem and I opened a thread on it as well.
Read here.
The conclusion we reached was that this is a network, not phone dependent problem.
yeah never happent to me ever
thanks for all the replies.
My previous phone is O2 XDA Mini S(Wizard). I used that one to receive push mail provided by GoodLink, which requires GPRS always on. I didn't have such issue with that, at least no complain from my friends.
That's why i am wondering something wrong with the RADIO configuration. I didn't make any specific change to my new O2 XDA Cosmo(Excalibur).
best regards
And back to my memory.
I used to have the classical Ericsson T39. There was a setting to enable GSM incoming call during GPRS transmission(cannot remember the exact name). By enable that, i can still receive incoming call, and the GPRS connection will auto resume after the call.
Is there similar setting for Windows Mobile?
There is not as far as I've ever known. I've used smartphones that determined which was blocked and which was not based on which application was in use at the time. That is, if you were actively using IE or some other network app, phone calls would go straight to voice mail. If a non-network app was front and center at the time, the network would be disconnected and the phone would ring. That (and the SE settings mentioned above which I saw on my SE phones too) showed that it was a phone setting made by the carrier. I'd hope there's a little more intelligence behind it than just "voice trumps network" but if there is, I couldn't tell you what determines which gets through and when.
I've found that it's based on the amount of data being transmitted at the time of the (attempted) call. For example, high-bandwith usage such as media streaming will lead to the incoming phone call being blocked/diverted most of the time, whereas sporadic usage (eg. PING, or loading a very simple web page) has allowed a call to come in, temporarily disabling GPRS. GPRS can never be used during a phone call.
Hello Everyone,
I am having a wierd issue with my HTC Tytn.When my Data connection is active I cannot make or recieve phone calls.Any incoming call goes straight to voicemail and any number I dial the phone will display "call ended" before it even starts to to ring. The minute I close the data connection the phone works again.I have updated my ROM to the latest English ROM.Could my unit be defective?
Thanks in advance!!!
Hmmm that's weird.
Your TyTN is acting as class C device (Data or Voice), and in fact TyTN is class B device (Data is suspended while on Voice).
Is your unit defective? Possible, but... first backup your TyTN completely, then re-update full ROM, set up data connection and call to check it while on active transfer. If it will be OK - your unit is OK and this is software/registry problem, if not your unit is might be defective. This is the quickest way to determine.
My device does this as well, but only when connected to Slingmobile.
Other "always on" programs are not affecting me.
Not sure if this helps or not Just trying to add more data.
data causing call dropouts
Hi,
Hope this helps, but here in Australia when using the Telstra HSDPA network on UMTS850, when i'm connected to a data session, I can't receive calls and the caller gets the "phone is switched off" message. If I force the phone to use the old UMTS2100 network, the phone will pause the data session and allow the incoming call. On another forum I have read that this is due to a limitation in the Ericsson 850MHz hardware which the telco is using on their mobile towers and they expect an upgrade to fix it sometime in January. I don't know if this is 100% true, but it is what i have read
If I have a data session in progress it gets disconnected whilst a phone call is in progress (I can receive calls fine, although I have had one or two occasions when people have rung me and it's gone straight to voicemail without notifying me of the call). After I hang up, the data session is reestablished.
Using T-Mobile in the UK for what it's worth.
This is a very weird issue, sorry I can't offer any more info or advice.
I'm on T-mob Flext WnW and have the same issue. When I have my data connection established (either gprs or HSDPA) anyone that tries to call goes straight to voice mail. I can make a call which temporarily stops the data session and then re-establishes it after I hang up.
Is this a known issue on T-mob?
In the HTC faq, it is meantioned that the handset is a GPRS class B device:
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=119
This means that the data-traffic is suspend for voice calls.
http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml
(I haven't tested this with my HTC, but my Nokia 6260 did behave like this)
The HTC faq also states the full 3G operation ought to allow for simultaneous voice and data calls. I personally interpret this that calls are possible together with a UMTS connection (but I could be wrong).
Jörg
For all with problems with connection while on data.
Most of us here have no problem with it, might be network you are logged, not fully compatible with class B.
My advice: check different phone (TyTN) if same occures, if yes then different handset (other brands). If it still is happening - call network and demand some explanations and upgades.
Still supporting my first post to hard reset device and check if without all software you have same problem.
And for the record - most of mobile operators calls this "Ring-through problem"
JUST FYI
Cingular says that for some reaosn streaming data (for my my slingbox) will not interupt. So phone always goes to voicemail.
Once I get the higherspeed data in my area this problem should go away.
This was posted by another in response to my question, and also confirmed when I called Cingular. Although it is possible we were both misinformed by support.
I'm sure I've read about this problem in the past but I can't figure out whether there is a way around it. My model is an MDA Vario II in the UK. Is there any way to avoid missing calls when the phone is connected to the internet?
It's great having a phone with internet access, but not so great that it doesn't seem capable of functioning as a phone at the same time!
thanks
Can anyone help with this please?
thanks.
Am I really the only person with this problem, or am I just being really dumb with my forum searches?
thanks
I think there is a difference between GPRS and UMTS. When a GPRS connection is active (at least, when data is sent or received) you are not able to receive calls. When UMTS is active, calls should get through. The standard way should be that the device detects an incoming call, shuts down the GPRS connection and restarts it after the call is ended. With UMTS, the device can receive and send data and answer the call at the same time. I have actually never had any problems with unanswered calls while browsing, but I use UMTS all the time (or perhaps no-one is calling me while browsing).
I have no idea what fault in your phone could cause your problem. Try searching with better keywords perhaps in the future, I found several threads relating to this problem by using the words "data connection missed calls". Use the same words for a search and I am sure you'll find lots of threads about this.
This will always happen with any handset. if you are sat there reading a page and not loading any data then the call will interupt the GPRS connection then reconnect once the call has finished. If you are sending or receiving data then the person will get a busy tone. Sorry this is just how all the UK networks work.
Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.
hawk971 said:
Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.
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This is standard behaviour when transferring data over 2G GPRS. It should not happen on 3G. I have received phone calls while using 3G data and the phone rang as normal.... I can't report about HSDPA (is there a simple way to check if HSDPA is actually used?)
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This is standard behaviour when transferring data over 2G GPRS...
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No, it's not, voice calls always have higher priority even in 2G networks.
Can someone else confirm this issue with Trinity?
banesi said:
No, it's not, voice calls always have higher priority even in 2G networks.
Can someone else confirm this issue with Trinity?
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Well.... it's the third time in a few days in this forum that I post something and I am told that I am wrong. The previous two times in the end I happened to be right, so according to statistics I should indeed be wrong this time!
However I think I might be right this time too! The standard behaviour with GPRS sessions is that they are interrupted when they are idle and an incoming call is received; if data is being transferred then the phone will be busy.
Obviously for outgoing calls the phone will stop the data session when you want to make a call.
(All this for GPRS on GSM)
PS: You don't believe me try to use a GSM phone as GPRS modem for a PC, start a large file transfer and try to receive a call.
anonimo said:
PS: You don't believe me try to use a GSM phone as GPRS modem for a PC, start a large file transfer and try to receive a call.
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Well, since I use GPRS internet for more than 3 years actively and have changed a couple of phones already I must say that GPRS system is projected in a way that voice calls are priority in any situation. In this years I have found that sometimes my phone is not reachable when I'm connected to a GPRS but that percentage is rather small, could be some other problems related to a base stations.
In your case I would think of contacting your operator, change phone or just change a carrier, being unreachable during GPRS sessions is something that I will characterized as bug, at least. NHF
banesi said:
In your case I would think of contacting your operator, change phone or just change a carrier, being unreachable during GPRS sessions is something that I will characterized as bug, at least. NHF
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You are right. It was a very common bug in the early Class B GPRS phones and I thought it was supposed to be like that, but indeed even a class B device should suspend the data session and ring when a call is received.
However I am reading in other forums that this is now happening again with HSDPA.... the joy of early adoption
anonimo said:
You are right. It was a very common bug in the early Class B GPRS phones and I thought it was supposed to be like that, but indeed even a class B device should suspend the data session and ring when a call is received.
However I am reading in other forums that this is now happening again with HSDPA.... the joy of early adoption
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I had some strange behavior like a busy signal when I had my phone set to 3G only, but I think it was because of marginal reception. I changed the frequencies to automatic and haven't had any problems since.
hawk971 said:
Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.
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Hello hawk971,
I have the exact same experience while being persistently connected on the Swedish HSDPA network (Hi3G) I cannot receive or even make calls, most of the time. It's like i can sometimes manage to "slip through" with a call, and even an incoming call can get through if i'm lucky. I have figured out that if i end the data connection and make the call, i can re-login with the connection and keep babbling on the phone.
The problem started to appear right after we moved to a different area where HSDPA is deployed, at first the problem was very sproadic, but now the network is growing, so does the blocked calls.
Luckily i get an sms from the 3 network saying that someone has tried to call without leaving a message, otherwise i'd be clueless.
I have considered contacting 3 operator to discuss this, but i reckon i might loose the HSDPA access then because i have only 3G subscription but somehow my phone (which is purchased without operator lock and not from 3) snaps right onto the HSDPA access nevertheless. I have a consistent 1Mbits/s DOWNLINK and 350kbits/s UPLINK connection while running TPTEST on the laptop and using the P3600 with internet sharing and USB-cable.
I so would like to be able to stay on the HSDPA but right now i am considering to drop the high-speed since the phone part is basically rendered useless. I am also using GpsGate in the car, so my internet is always on, transmitting position, i guess that makes the problem worse. I might have to drop that...
I had a friend told me he had the same problem with TyTn and Hi3G here in Gothenburg. That makes me think that there's no particular problem with my phone. Rather it's a network problem that they yet have to solve.
Anyway, that's a long post!
P.S. Does anyone know how i can disable/enable HSDPA on the P3600 easily?
Cheerio
just remove link to "enableHSDPA.exe" in \windows\startup folder and soft reset you phone.
I can't find this file (enableHSDPA.exe) anywhere in my P3600....
Bump!
SecureGSM can you please elaborate a bit on this .exe file. I have a standard HTC P3600 and I don't see this file anywhere in the file system.
i'd like to know how i enable HSDPA on my HTC P3600. has anyone had success doing so?
try the fit4cat regedit program
MontAlbert said:
try the fit4cat regedit program
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I recently installed the fit4can or HTweakC as it is now called from here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Registry. It allows you to turn off HSDPA and do other tweaks to your Trinity. No harm is done since you can turn the HSDPA back on again anytime. Since I upgraded to the new 1.38 Radio, I was picking up HSDPA all the time at home, and every time my phone was auto checking email I'd miss calls. This HSDPA "feature" needs a little work.
I'm wondering if it's true that, we wizard user can't surf or transfer data and also have calls come in. Also cause this phone isn't 3g?
If so is there a tweak or program that will boot you off wifi or internet that you are doing, and have the call come in. I mean it's a phone no point have a phone if calls can't come in.
thanxs would like to know if anyone have an answer for this.
g0dblissyou said:
I'm wondering if it's true that, we wizard user can't surf or transfer data and also have calls come in. Also cause this phone isn't 3g?
If so is there a tweak or program that will boot you off wifi or internet that you are doing, and have the call come in. I mean it's a phone no point have a phone if calls can't come in.
thanxs would like to know if anyone have an answer for this.
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The fact that you cannot talk and surf at the same time has nothing to do with 3G. GSM/GPRS is capable of being able to talk on the phone and have a data connection. You have to have a GSM Class A device to do both at the same time. The Wizard is a Class B device. You can read more about this here http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml Scroll down to the bottom.
If you are missing calls, it might have something to do with your provider. I have T-Mobile USA, and my phone is connected to GPRS/EDGE almost constantly. I don't miss calls. When you have an incoming call, your provider should suspend the data session to allow the voice call to come though.
Understood.
Thanxs d0ug for straighten all the question I had about it.