I'm sure I've read about this problem in the past but I can't figure out whether there is a way around it. My model is an MDA Vario II in the UK. Is there any way to avoid missing calls when the phone is connected to the internet?
It's great having a phone with internet access, but not so great that it doesn't seem capable of functioning as a phone at the same time!
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Can anyone help with this please?
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Am I really the only person with this problem, or am I just being really dumb with my forum searches?
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I think there is a difference between GPRS and UMTS. When a GPRS connection is active (at least, when data is sent or received) you are not able to receive calls. When UMTS is active, calls should get through. The standard way should be that the device detects an incoming call, shuts down the GPRS connection and restarts it after the call is ended. With UMTS, the device can receive and send data and answer the call at the same time. I have actually never had any problems with unanswered calls while browsing, but I use UMTS all the time (or perhaps no-one is calling me while browsing).
I have no idea what fault in your phone could cause your problem. Try searching with better keywords perhaps in the future, I found several threads relating to this problem by using the words "data connection missed calls". Use the same words for a search and I am sure you'll find lots of threads about this.
This will always happen with any handset. if you are sat there reading a page and not loading any data then the call will interupt the GPRS connection then reconnect once the call has finished. If you are sending or receiving data then the person will get a busy tone. Sorry this is just how all the UK networks work.
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Hi folks:
I cannot be totally sure if this is the cause of this, but after loading the v1.2 ROM, I am missing calls while I am transferring data on GPRS. The weird thing is that while GPRS is on and I am not transferring data, I get calls in, but if I am browsing on sending/receiving email, I miss the calls.
Can this be related to the ROM update, or is it that I have a setting that needs to be adjusted ?
Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks,
Fernando
What did you have before the 1.2? We did not change much in the way GPRS connections are handled relative to 1.1.
Hello:
I had the current T-Mobile ROM before upgrading it to ver 1.2. I like this ROM a lot, but I noticed this little snag that makes me miss calls every so often.
Thanks in advance,
Fernando
This is exactly how it has ALWYAYS worked. The XDA uses a subset of the GSM spec which does not allow for simultaneous voice/data, and you cannot receive a call while ACTIVELY passing data. With the connection open but not actually sending data, the phone will ring. If you answer, there is a delay while GPRS is dropped and the call is picked up.
There is a spec for simultaneous voice/data, and also a spec for getting calls and suspending GPRS temporarily (leaving your internet connection just where you left it once you hang up the voice call). The XDA supports neither, and actually most carriers are not able to support simultaneous yet either (at least the US carriers cannot). They do support suspend, which works with phones like the T68.
Hola Carlos:
This makes sense, and it is actually the way it is happening for me. It seems I only noticed it now. I actually notice the delay in answering the incoming calls while GPRS is dropped.
Thanks for your wisdom and help.
Cheers,
Fernando
Hello Everyone,
I am having a wierd issue with my HTC Tytn.When my Data connection is active I cannot make or recieve phone calls.Any incoming call goes straight to voicemail and any number I dial the phone will display "call ended" before it even starts to to ring. The minute I close the data connection the phone works again.I have updated my ROM to the latest English ROM.Could my unit be defective?
Thanks in advance!!!
Hmmm that's weird.
Your TyTN is acting as class C device (Data or Voice), and in fact TyTN is class B device (Data is suspended while on Voice).
Is your unit defective? Possible, but... first backup your TyTN completely, then re-update full ROM, set up data connection and call to check it while on active transfer. If it will be OK - your unit is OK and this is software/registry problem, if not your unit is might be defective. This is the quickest way to determine.
My device does this as well, but only when connected to Slingmobile.
Other "always on" programs are not affecting me.
Not sure if this helps or not Just trying to add more data.
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Hi,
Hope this helps, but here in Australia when using the Telstra HSDPA network on UMTS850, when i'm connected to a data session, I can't receive calls and the caller gets the "phone is switched off" message. If I force the phone to use the old UMTS2100 network, the phone will pause the data session and allow the incoming call. On another forum I have read that this is due to a limitation in the Ericsson 850MHz hardware which the telco is using on their mobile towers and they expect an upgrade to fix it sometime in January. I don't know if this is 100% true, but it is what i have read
If I have a data session in progress it gets disconnected whilst a phone call is in progress (I can receive calls fine, although I have had one or two occasions when people have rung me and it's gone straight to voicemail without notifying me of the call). After I hang up, the data session is reestablished.
Using T-Mobile in the UK for what it's worth.
This is a very weird issue, sorry I can't offer any more info or advice.
I'm on T-mob Flext WnW and have the same issue. When I have my data connection established (either gprs or HSDPA) anyone that tries to call goes straight to voice mail. I can make a call which temporarily stops the data session and then re-establishes it after I hang up.
Is this a known issue on T-mob?
In the HTC faq, it is meantioned that the handset is a GPRS class B device:
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=119
This means that the data-traffic is suspend for voice calls.
http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml
(I haven't tested this with my HTC, but my Nokia 6260 did behave like this)
The HTC faq also states the full 3G operation ought to allow for simultaneous voice and data calls. I personally interpret this that calls are possible together with a UMTS connection (but I could be wrong).
Jörg
For all with problems with connection while on data.
Most of us here have no problem with it, might be network you are logged, not fully compatible with class B.
My advice: check different phone (TyTN) if same occures, if yes then different handset (other brands). If it still is happening - call network and demand some explanations and upgades.
Still supporting my first post to hard reset device and check if without all software you have same problem.
And for the record - most of mobile operators calls this "Ring-through problem"
JUST FYI
Cingular says that for some reaosn streaming data (for my my slingbox) will not interupt. So phone always goes to voicemail.
Once I get the higherspeed data in my area this problem should go away.
This was posted by another in response to my question, and also confirmed when I called Cingular. Although it is possible we were both misinformed by support.
Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.
hawk971 said:
Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.
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This is standard behaviour when transferring data over 2G GPRS. It should not happen on 3G. I have received phone calls while using 3G data and the phone rang as normal.... I can't report about HSDPA (is there a simple way to check if HSDPA is actually used?)
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This is standard behaviour when transferring data over 2G GPRS...
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No, it's not, voice calls always have higher priority even in 2G networks.
Can someone else confirm this issue with Trinity?
banesi said:
No, it's not, voice calls always have higher priority even in 2G networks.
Can someone else confirm this issue with Trinity?
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Well.... it's the third time in a few days in this forum that I post something and I am told that I am wrong. The previous two times in the end I happened to be right, so according to statistics I should indeed be wrong this time!
However I think I might be right this time too! The standard behaviour with GPRS sessions is that they are interrupted when they are idle and an incoming call is received; if data is being transferred then the phone will be busy.
Obviously for outgoing calls the phone will stop the data session when you want to make a call.
(All this for GPRS on GSM)
PS: You don't believe me try to use a GSM phone as GPRS modem for a PC, start a large file transfer and try to receive a call.
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PS: You don't believe me try to use a GSM phone as GPRS modem for a PC, start a large file transfer and try to receive a call.
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Well, since I use GPRS internet for more than 3 years actively and have changed a couple of phones already I must say that GPRS system is projected in a way that voice calls are priority in any situation. In this years I have found that sometimes my phone is not reachable when I'm connected to a GPRS but that percentage is rather small, could be some other problems related to a base stations.
In your case I would think of contacting your operator, change phone or just change a carrier, being unreachable during GPRS sessions is something that I will characterized as bug, at least. NHF
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In your case I would think of contacting your operator, change phone or just change a carrier, being unreachable during GPRS sessions is something that I will characterized as bug, at least. NHF
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You are right. It was a very common bug in the early Class B GPRS phones and I thought it was supposed to be like that, but indeed even a class B device should suspend the data session and ring when a call is received.
However I am reading in other forums that this is now happening again with HSDPA.... the joy of early adoption
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You are right. It was a very common bug in the early Class B GPRS phones and I thought it was supposed to be like that, but indeed even a class B device should suspend the data session and ring when a call is received.
However I am reading in other forums that this is now happening again with HSDPA.... the joy of early adoption
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I had some strange behavior like a busy signal when I had my phone set to 3G only, but I think it was because of marginal reception. I changed the frequencies to automatic and haven't had any problems since.
hawk971 said:
Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.
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Hello hawk971,
I have the exact same experience while being persistently connected on the Swedish HSDPA network (Hi3G) I cannot receive or even make calls, most of the time. It's like i can sometimes manage to "slip through" with a call, and even an incoming call can get through if i'm lucky. I have figured out that if i end the data connection and make the call, i can re-login with the connection and keep babbling on the phone.
The problem started to appear right after we moved to a different area where HSDPA is deployed, at first the problem was very sproadic, but now the network is growing, so does the blocked calls.
Luckily i get an sms from the 3 network saying that someone has tried to call without leaving a message, otherwise i'd be clueless.
I have considered contacting 3 operator to discuss this, but i reckon i might loose the HSDPA access then because i have only 3G subscription but somehow my phone (which is purchased without operator lock and not from 3) snaps right onto the HSDPA access nevertheless. I have a consistent 1Mbits/s DOWNLINK and 350kbits/s UPLINK connection while running TPTEST on the laptop and using the P3600 with internet sharing and USB-cable.
I so would like to be able to stay on the HSDPA but right now i am considering to drop the high-speed since the phone part is basically rendered useless. I am also using GpsGate in the car, so my internet is always on, transmitting position, i guess that makes the problem worse. I might have to drop that...
I had a friend told me he had the same problem with TyTn and Hi3G here in Gothenburg. That makes me think that there's no particular problem with my phone. Rather it's a network problem that they yet have to solve.
Anyway, that's a long post!
P.S. Does anyone know how i can disable/enable HSDPA on the P3600 easily?
Cheerio
just remove link to "enableHSDPA.exe" in \windows\startup folder and soft reset you phone.
I can't find this file (enableHSDPA.exe) anywhere in my P3600....
Bump!
SecureGSM can you please elaborate a bit on this .exe file. I have a standard HTC P3600 and I don't see this file anywhere in the file system.
i'd like to know how i enable HSDPA on my HTC P3600. has anyone had success doing so?
try the fit4cat regedit program
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try the fit4cat regedit program
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I recently installed the fit4can or HTweakC as it is now called from here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Registry. It allows you to turn off HSDPA and do other tweaks to your Trinity. No harm is done since you can turn the HSDPA back on again anytime. Since I upgraded to the new 1.38 Radio, I was picking up HSDPA all the time at home, and every time my phone was auto checking email I'd miss calls. This HSDPA "feature" needs a little work.
I searched this forum, but found no answer to my following question:
I have a Hermes with WM6.
A coworker also wants to buy this device (or similar), but had one question I couldn't answer::
Is it possible to use a WM6 device as a modem for my laptop to use UMTS (3G) or GPRS and still be able to receice phonecalls?
I never used this sollution, so I wasn't sure.
He needs to use the device as a wireless modem very often, but is afraid that he loses phonecalls during this time.
Has anyone an answer to this?
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Martijn
hi.... depending on the network. say, some networks setup by ericcson have a bug, as i am told.
You can connect to 3g/gprs. However, if you make a call or receive a call, if you have a data transfer happening simultaneously, it will stop. Your connection will not break. But whatever you were doing will sieze. You can resume your internet activity once the phonecall ends.
If you have a network setup by one of the other players like nokia siemens, then you will not have this problem
@mirage22
I don't realy follow you. You say that it depens on the network, but speak of Nokia, Ericson and Siemens. Do you mean this will work with Nokia,..etc phones and not with the hermes (TyTN)? Or is it dependent of the network provider (Like T-Mobile/Vodaphone)?
It seems to me that if you have a 3G connection, it's still possible to place and receive phonecalls. Just like receiving an sms. That's also possible when in a phonecall..
Isn't this something a lot of people do every day?
Hi,
I have a t-mob wing (after I drove over my magician and I have the following problem: When I am having an active data connection I cannot receive any voice calls. The calls are going directly to voice mail, without notifying me. Once I stop the data connection I can receive calls again and than I will see that I missed a call.
I talked to t-mob support, and after doing a hard-reset (of course) they told me that this is a known problem with the wing, that they are trying to fix it and that there is nothing they can do right now.
1. do other wing users in the US experience the same, so is it the default behavior, or am I just unlucky? (it worked great without a problem with my magician btw)
2. as sometimes during the day the internet connection automatically gets connected (activesync I guess) I never really now if I am able to receive calls right now. Is there a workaround to manually start up and stop the internet connection without the device automatically connecting whenever it feels like it?
thanks in advance
wolferl
interesting ...
I have had a lot of complaints from people telling me that when they call me, it goes straight to voicemail.
I'm also a US Wing user, and I can confirm that is happening to me as well. Was checking sports scores on my break at work earlier, and my girlfriend called me, and I got a voice message from her...but it never showed that she called.
I also have the issue with people in my fave 5 not showing in the call history anyway, so I guess I lose both ways.
hm,
ok, seems to be a generic problem. Is here anyone who successfully gets voice calls while on a data connection with a wing/herald/p4350?
would be interesting to see if it is a t-mobile or device problem.
thanks
I got a HTC wing and i still get incoming call while browsing the internet. No problem here. i've tested a couple times and they all went through. I have T mobile
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I got a HTC wing and i still get incoming call while browsing the internet. No problem here. i've tested a couple times and they all went through.
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hi hondaman,
thanks for the info. whats your provider?
thanks wolferl
"active" data connection is the key
I have the same problem, no voice calls with an active data connection. For me, it seems to be only when the data is actively transferring, like streaming audio or a largish download. Straightforward web surfing doesn't seem to cause the problem, I've received multiple calls while surfing. But during streaming audio, calls go to voice mail every time.
I swear to you, I get calls when I am using data all the time on my Wing. I have the stock T-Mo rom and everything. No CID unlocking, no SIM unlocking.
It happens to me alot that people complain they have called me and it goes straight to voicemail... and its been in cases where im not even using my phone, and as far as I know, I have good signal.
I was running this GB soft program that kept my data connections always on... so I stopped using that to see if I notice a difference.
On the T-Mobile MDA it worked just fine, but on my Wing I can't receive calls while online either.
I just did some testing and I need to correct my original statement. Looks like kerrkj and the others were right. Just being online does not stop you from receiving calls. Just when you are transferring data, the line being actively used, you are not reachable. So, when you are web browsing, it depends whether the moment the call comes in, data is transmitted or not. I was testing accessing different web pages and a couple of times it worked and a couple of times it did not. When streaming audio the calls went to VM 100% of the time.
So, when I am using tomtom and having the traffic check activated, it will be pure coincidence whether you receive a call or not. When streaming audio it will be guaranteed that you are not receiving calls.
I am pretty sure that it was not like that with my magician. Hopefully t-mobile sorts it out sooner than later.
thanks for all your feedback
wolferl
it happens to me too, i know on sprint with the treo's you can run internet or phone, all calls will go to voicemail if you are on the internet. i just assumed it was that way with all of them.