Hi All,
Looking for the help. I am desperate.
I purchased HTC Trinity and installed 20070418_RUU_Trinity_LVSW_WWE_1.25.0.8_GPS_AKU3.5.2 rom, which is excellent.
Using Radio Rom 1.41.00.11
However here is the problem. Trying to use GPS with either Windows Mobile Search or Google Maps.
Tried different setting for GPS, different baud rates, different hardware settings.
Nothing, both application can't find GPS.
Any ideas, help?
Tnx
Trinityhack3 has an option to enable GPS icon. Once done you can see that GPS is in your device and default settings are active. Then I used VisualGPSCE to verify GPS is there, there is a real time display of what satellites can be seen. You must change settings to select your GPS com port! Beeline GPS will find your GPS automatically but it is a 30-day trial.
Be patient, first fix can take 10-15 minutes even in clear skies.
Don't know about Mobile Search, but definitely Google Maps is NOT a GPS app. It's a paid service that doesn't use your internal GPS in any way. It has been answered before in this forum. Do some search. Probably it's same for Mobile Search too...
ww2250 said:
... Google Maps is NOT a GPS app. It's a paid service that doesn't use your internal GPS in any way...
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Google Maps is a paid service, only if you have to pay for the data connection you'll need to download the maps / images in realtime. Google Maps DOES support the internal GPS, however it's optional.
Give it time, the Trinity needs at least 10 minutes to get a fix after a soft reset. The default settings are COM9 115200 but I advise you to set it to the NMEA standard of 4800baud, just to avoid problems.
If you want to use more GPS apps at the same time, or use your Trinity as a USB or Bluetooth GPS mouse for your Mac/PC, I advise you Franson's Gpsgate.
ww2250 said:
Don't know about Mobile Search, but definitely Google Maps is NOT a GPS app. It's a paid service that doesn't use your internal GPS in any way. It has been answered before in this forum. Do some search. Probably it's same for Mobile Search too...
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Google maps does have a track location function that will use internal GPS to display current position on the map. In a supported area, and these are few, it does navigation also.
aeberbach said:
Trinityhack3 has an option to enable GPS icon. Once done you can see that GPS is in your device and default settings are active. Then I used VisualGPSCE to verify GPS is there, there is a real time display of what satellites can be seen. You must change settings to select your GPS com port! Beeline GPS will find your GPS automatically but it is a 30-day trial.
Be patient, first fix can take 10-15 minutes even in clear skies.
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I download VisualGPSCD and changed seeting. The good thing it is showing GPS is there!
The bad things still can't use GoogleMaps. I indeed pointing to COM9.
Any other ideas?
Did you give it enough time to give you a lat/long fix in VisualGPSCE? I have found once you do that Google Maps has no trouble else it can just not work.
Check "Track Location Settings" under Options in Google Maps too. I have mine set to "Set by Windows (Via Start -> Settings)". In Windows Mobile 6 I have in Settings (System tab) an icon called "External GPS". Programs is set to GPD1, hardware is COM9/115200 and Access is "manage GPS automatically (recommended).
aeberbach said:
Did you give it enough time to give you a lat/long fix in VisualGPSCE? I have found once you do that Google Maps has no trouble else it can just not work.
Check "Track Location Settings" under Options in Google Maps too. I have mine set to "Set by Windows (Via Start -> Settings)". In Windows Mobile 6 I have in Settings (System tab) an icon called "External GPS". Programs is set to GPD1, hardware is COM9/115200 and Access is "manage GPS automatically (recommended).
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Well, I did all this.
Other GPS software (e.g. IGO) is working, but not GoogleMaps. Strange ...
Any other ideas are welcome.
BTW have the same problem with Mobile Live Search (Microsoft mapping software).
aeberbach said:
Be patient, first fix can take 10-15 minutes even in clear skies.
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first fix means cold fix (for example the first of the day) or the first fix of the PDA???
Yes I mean cold start 10-15 minutes. Since that first long wait I have found it only takes 30 seconds-1 minute at worst.
hi,
same pb with me. I tried everything for vito astronavigator.
Nothing. I tried each settings in the apps: every com port, different baud.
normally when it sees the built in gps, you get a colored planete. here nothing.
With trinity i tried a fiew changes, with no success.
I knew that tomtom was famous for blocking other gps apps.
DO you have any clues or soft for this?
ednet75 said:
...I knew that tomtom was famous for blocking other gps apps.
DO you have any clues or soft for this?
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TomTom only blocks other apps when its actually running. Once you exit it releases the COM port. This is universal with apps that link to the physical COM port- only one app at a a time can access the GPS stream, unless you use an intermediary program like GPSGate.
With WM5, MS introduced the GPSIntermediary Driver (GPSID) which was supposed to allow multiple apps to access GPS at once by assigning a Virtual GPS COM port, but it didn't work properly until WM5 AKU3 was released; even then TomTom, and most other SatNav programs prefer to connect to the physical port.
i have found that new verson of wm mobile handle gps better, i use Mun rom and it seem to get alone fine with it,
Related
I've looked around a bit for this, but I can't seem to find any information.
Last night I installed the "leaked official" Sprint update for the touch and the GPS doesn't seem to be working properly. I've tried google maps and live search, but it never locks satellites. I think it might be configured wrong?
Anyone know what to do about this?
Since I understand that most of these site's search capabilities won't give you much, I won't flame you..
Any GPS program that I have tried does not start the internal GPS itself. If the GPS isn't running when the program starts, you will not get a lock.
The most popular way around this is to use a GPS "primer" that will start it for you. I like AstroGPSLauncher. Its a nifty little program that starts your GPS and then your program all with the same shortcut. The ZIP file has a couple common shortcuts included. Do a search for AstroGPSLauncher and I am sure you will come up with the shortcut that you need.
Welcome to the forum!
I use Sprint navigator (New rom) and or MSN live search and neither require a GPS primer, in fact they lock on surprisingly fast.
i am using the same new rom. gps worked once but once i customized my rom and let it go cold, i have a tough time getting the gps to lock. i am using htc gps tool V1.1.1.0 and still have trouble. matter of fact..all the leaked gps roms i have tried its doing the same thing.
GPS works in Google Maps and Live Search Maps
Works in both for me. Didn't have to change any settings.
I thought it wasn't working at first
In Google Maps you have to have My Location enabled and select Use GPS in the menu
In LiveSearch Maps you have to select Center on GPS in the menu to show your position on map
select View, Lat/Lon to display your position
It takes around 30 seconds to get a lock for me in Redmond, Wa area once I select Use GPS
Google maps it shows it's tracking 6 satellites.
LiveSearch map does not show the number of satellites.
How to display GPS coordinates?
see prior post
I'm trying to get this open source GPS tracking application working:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pda-navigation/
However when I set the GPS port to that of whats set in Settings->External GPS Software it can't connect.
I noticed that Google Maps won't connect unless the port in Settings->External is NONE and Google Settings to Automatic. Why is this?
Any help would be appreciated.
k
Not quite sure what the difference is with the settings, but:
Have you tried establishing a GPS connection first using HTC GPS Tool, or VisualGPS, or even just Google Maps / Live Search AND THEN enabling the program?
It might be something lacking considering the description designates Win 2003 and Winmo 5. Otherwise, I don't know.
Also VisualGPS only lacks sunrise/sunset times compared to the one your trying to configure.(has compass, GPS info, ability to extract info)
Hi,
Have anybody tried google navigator on the HD. I heard it's supposed to work with the hd. Anybody know if a dataconnection is needed, or can we download the maps and use it "offline" with the built in GPS reciever ??
anybody know where we can find a trial ?
oldings said:
Hi,
Have anybody tried google navigator on the HD. I heard it's supposed to work with the hd. Anybody know if a dataconnection is needed, or can we download the maps and use it "offline" with the built in GPS reciever ??
anybody know where we can find a trial ?
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Attached Google.
This is freeware
thx for reply. But isn't this the same that came pre-installed with the HD.
I tried Google Maps but that uses the data connection. I heard on google navigation you can save maps on storage and the use it "offline", so no need of data-connection, only GPS reciever.
Sorry, I should have read your thread properly, been a long day.
Google Navigator attached
I haven't used this application to be honest, but just installed it and a data connection appears to be required. I'll play with it and let you know if this can be disabled.
I have also downloaded the trial from http://www.pdafun.net/
and first time I started it I saw it downloded dato. I then used HD tweak to stop all data connection, and went in to Google navigator and changed som settings.
I can still start the prorgam wihtout any problems and activated GPS. It find my postition(still noe data connection used, yet). But don't know how to get a map. I only see a "world" map.
SO would be nice to know how we can download offlien maps so we can use with GPS and not need to use dataconnection, since it says it's possible
Without sounding flipant, the CAB is 1.73Mbs so I would expect it does not contain map data, bearing in mind that TomTom Maps are in the region of 1Gbs.
Maybe you have to download from somewhere else though.
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The map are downloaded using Data connection, they are download on demand by the software.
Google Navigator
the meaning of offline Navigation in this Software is that you can specify an interested area and tell the program to download the related topo, road maps, etc to the device over a data connection at a a given Zoom level. (wifi or gsm)
once the download is complete you can switch off the data connection or remove the sim and use the application to locate/Navigate your self in the downloaded area. The purpose is to enable you to use the phone to navigate yourself in a area without network coverage and/or to cutdown on the data download cost over GSM.
FYI
Google Navigator works fine on the HD except for the 3D view. it creates some areas of the map to disappear. I wrote to the developers on this bug and they said they will correct that error in their 4.9V but till the latest version the problem is still there.
is it just me or is the trial version of this completely useless? what is the point in disabling the only features that actually make this different to google maps? surely a time-limited version rather than feature-limitedwould make more sense?
I for one will certainly not be shelling out for this unless I know it works (and on my phone too).
this is most unlike google, who's software (until now)I have always been most impressed with. google maps is simply phenomenal, but does lack the turn-by-turn voice commands necessary to operate it whilst driving.
the data, for me (and many who own this type of device - why on earth would you have a device this capable without some data included?!) is not an issue. but i need to see it in action before I can abandon Tomtom properly...
is this software actually from google or just based on google maps? I still can't work out why I have to pay for this when everything else google is free (and this looks decidedly shoddier)?!
kindregards
dr_nick
Apparently Google Navigator has nothing to do with Google. The developers are just using the name "Google" because it taps into the Maps database. Caveat emptor.
Google Navigator is one of the worst PDA Apps I've ever seen.
Not only do they #1 -- Use the FREE google maps service, and charge you for their crappy front end, but #2 -- Put the name "Google" in the title of their product, so you think it's actually from a reputable source.
Google really needs to put a stop to this company because they are basically ripping people off.
Hi,
at this moment, i don't have internet access available.
I want to enable the GPS function (not A-GPS)
first of all, can GoogleMap use GPS to locate and find the routes? How?
I have tried the COM port and some other speed, but no luck.
or do i need another apps to have GPS enable.
In GoogleMap, it says searching for GPS, but (0)
Thanks
COM4, 4800baud or anything else, select "Use GPS", and go outside
Without data connection Google Maps wont show any map though, right?
Lindenia said:
Without data connection Google Maps wont show any map though, right?
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Right! So, without data connection, it's either a navigation app (TomTom, copilot, igo etc..) or some app that will show you your coordiantes and more (like nonigpsplot)
hi every one, In Google map, how can i save the map for the next time using? i tryed Navigator Map and Tracky but it seem does'nt work to save map for GM.Sorri for bad English.
Google map does save the maps in a cache folder. But even then, internet connection is always needed. It will just not download the tiles you already have.
Just wondering if anyone has discovered how to speed up the GPS lock time.
I am running shubCRAFT CM6RC2/Froyo/Themed V1.1 and while the GPS works the lock time is upto a few minutes.
In windows I will raise an eyebrow after 10 seconds.
I have seen the posts regarding both the latest libgps.so and updating the GPS file but not sure if thats the issue.
Is the GPS using GPSa?
From what I understand the QuickGPS is a map of satellite locations. The idea is once a single satellite is located then the GPS knows what other ones are in the area instead of blindly looking for all of them its just looks for a few. Still slow to find the first satellite.
GPS-a uses a local cell site to tell the GPS where it is. It can then use the QuickGPS to discover what satellites should be overhead and only looks for those. Nice quick lock times.
Are we using GPS-a?
The fix is not to update your gps.conf file and to use local NTP server settings. Whilst it is ideal to use local time servers this does not impact your phones retrieval of the GPS-A data. The time retrieved from the states is exactly the same as Australia.
UPDATE : The Fix
It looks like there maybe an issues with the way Android on HD2 downloads the GPS-A Data. If you download a Tool from the market place called GPS Status. You can use it to download the GPS-A data manually. BAMM. Fresh GPS locks in 3 seconds versus minutes before hand.
Not sure if this process logs any messages and assume it is a cron job but ideally needs some investigation.
Thanks
this has been covered already
Miyagi said:
Install "File Manager" and "Text Edit" (both are free from the market), then open "File Manager", go to "My Phone", (press Ok on warning), the go to /system, /etc and touch on "gps.conf", Open as, Text, and select "Text Edit".
Edit and use your country direction (pool.ntp.org), save and thats all.
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songokussm said:
i did not for for me at first. you need to use one of the following servers.
server 0.us.pool.ntp.org
server 1.us.pool.ntp.org
server 2.us.pool.ntp.org
server 3.us.pool.ntp.org
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I tried this yesterday and it works great. Change your NTP server to one of the following, if not in the US, look up your country.
Have questions.
Why is changing the time server improve the GPS lock speed. Both the existing server and the new server will provide the same results. Only difference is the reponse time in milliseconds?
Also can edit the file however cannot save it. File is read only.
Can you confirm the Text edit and File manager. There are mulitples in the market. Who are the authors?
Hmm. Readonly file system is going to cause an issue. Back to question 1
What rom are you using? I'm running mattc leo 1.4
File Manager by Adao Team
Text Edit by Paul Mach
I didn't have a problem saving, others reported issues. Try a different text editor.
As far as lock times, before I couldn't get any lock at all. After applying the update I walked outside, instant lock, tried inside, 3-4 second lock.
Thats the difference. I do get a lock but its slow.
I have just queried the north-america.pool.ntp.org server and compared the output to the query from 1.au.pool.ntp.org.
The results are the same. Changing the ntp server won't make a difference.
Now checking if there is some sort of other issue. Noticing dns does not work at console.
dusty_nz said:
Thats the difference. I do get a lock but its slow.
I have just queried the north-america.pool.ntp.org server and compared the output to the query from 1.au.pool.ntp.org.
The results are the same. Changing the ntp server won't make a difference.
Now checking if there is some sort of other issue. Noticing dns does not work at console.
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did you fill in 1 of the 4 below?:
server 0.us.pool.ntp.org
server 1.us.pool.ntp.org
server 2.us.pool.ntp.org
server 3.us.pool.ntp.org
You just choose one, for example: "0.us.pool.ntp.org"
Not "north-america.pool.ntp.org"
I had the exact same problem with super slow GPS lock, but i changed the ntp server to point to Canada (since i live in Canada) and my GPS lock was seconds.
I personally think it made a huge difference
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Oh, and i used "Text Edit" and "Linda Manager" to do the changes.
I got the same error saying it was read-only, but it still saved the changes. You need to reboot into Android after you make the changes. After you reboot, just go back in with the File Manager and check if your changes are still there (they should be, even though you get the read-only error)
Then try your GPS lock again.
I use Google maps with Google Navigator and it locked in about 5 seconds.
You can also check your in Android "Settings" - "Location and Secrutiy" to have both "Use Wireless Networks" and "Use GPS Satellites" checked off
Gone further.
Installed a ntp client on the phone and tested both north-america.pool.ntp.org and 1.au.pool.ntp.org and both work and give the same response.
I am in australia so the au one is the pick. Using the shubCRAFT rom and the whole file system is readonly.
Need a windows tool to edit the img files. Any recommendations?
Still confused why the au one os better than the north american one. Both work. They are just time servers.
for some reason my gps.conf is blank. Can someone please post their content of this file for me? (Northeastern US region)
Many thanks
norman505 said:
for some reason my gps.conf is blank. Can someone please post their content of this file for me? (Northeastern US region)
Many thanks
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Check/Read this thread: http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7410015
Update. See first post.
If GPS Status actually works to get AGPS going then that's great news. Having more accurate times by using local NTP servers does help lock times slightly, but real, working AGPS is the answer we want, and despite the SIPL setting in gps.conf, it doesn't look like it's working by default on the HD2.
EDIT: It looks like GPS Status grabs the AGPS data on launch for me, so all you need to do is setup Tasker to launch GPS Status whenever GPS is turned on and you should have instant lock. I'll test it out tomorrow when I get outside.
dusty_nz said:
Just wondering if anyone has discovered how to speed up the GPS lock time.
I am running shubCRAFT CM6RC2/Froyo/Themed V1.1 and while the GPS works the lock time is upto a few minutes.
In windows I will raise an eyebrow after 10 seconds.
I have seen the posts regarding both the latest libgps.so and updating the GPS file but not sure if thats the issue.
Is the GPS using GPSa?
From what I understand the QuickGPS is a map of satellite locations. The idea is once a single satellite is located then the GPS knows what other ones are in the area instead of blindly looking for all of them its just looks for a few. Still slow to find the first satellite.
GPS-a uses a local cell site to tell the GPS where it is. It can then use the QuickGPS to discover what satellites should be overhead and only looks for those. Nice quick lock times.
Are we using GPS-a?
The fix is not to update your gps.conf file and to use local NTP server settings. Whilst it is ideal to use local time servers this does not impact your phones retrieval of the GPS-A data. The time retrieved from the states is exactly the same as Australia.
UPDATE : The Fix
It looks like there maybe an issues with the way Android on HD2 downloads the GPS-A Data. If you download a Tool from the market place called GPS Status. You can use it to download the GPS-A data manually. BAMM. Fresh GPS locks in 3 seconds versus minutes before hand.
Not sure if this process logs any messages and assume it is a cron job but ideally needs some investigation.
Thanks
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It does help in my case, always under 30 seconds lock using MotoNav.
In my experience, if you succesfully lock ones without GPS Status, you should lock on the your GPS quickly again as long as you don't restart your phone. M2C's
Gps status works. Fix is very fast. It even works indoors if you are near the window and there is no big building in front of you.
I wrote about this some time ago.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8366121&highlight=gps+status#post8366121
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8366105&highlight=gps+status#post8366105
(I provided the links so you can check other posts in two similar threads)
new version of gps status downloads sat data directly on app startup. Or you can use quickgps in winmo and download the data and then android will also fix faster. Both software downoload gps sat data valid for 7 days. I think the downloaded data is also input to the gps chip. (not only just downloaded to internal memory/sd card)
I live in Turkey and ntp servers doesn't matter for me. Even us or north-america works fine. apgs data is needed for fast fix. Some people have empty gps.conf file. gpsonxtra lines are needed for downloading sat data.
This is my gps.conf file: (in /system/etc)
NTP_SERVER=europe.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_1=http://xtra1.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
XTRA_SERVER_2=http://xtra2.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
XTRA_SERVER_3=http://xtra3.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
SUPL_HOST=supl.google.com
SUPL_PORT=7276
You can change your ntp server to us.pool.ntp.org or north-america.pool.ntp.org or yourcountrycode.pool.ntp.org
I went through the entire process.
Changed the NTP server to a local server. Tested the settings using the NTP client. Checked the download link worked. Data seemed valid.
Still would take over 1-3 minutes to get a lock. A second lock within 1/2 hour was quicker but after a few hours it was slow again.
Using GPS status. Sitting in my car. Powered on the phone. Fireed up Google and bank. 2-3 seconds it had my location.
Really happy.
Lock inside 10 sec, downloading agps data with Gps Status. Thx man!
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dusty_nz said:
Just wondering if anyone has discovered how to speed up the GPS lock time.
I am running shubCRAFT CM6RC2/Froyo/Themed V1.1 and while the GPS works the lock time is upto a few minutes.
In windows I will raise an eyebrow after 10 seconds.
I have seen the posts regarding both the latest libgps.so and updating the GPS file but not sure if thats the issue.
Is the GPS using GPSa?
From what I understand the QuickGPS is a map of satellite locations. The idea is once a single satellite is located then the GPS knows what other ones are in the area instead of blindly looking for all of them its just looks for a few. Still slow to find the first satellite.
GPS-a uses a local cell site to tell the GPS where it is. It can then use the QuickGPS to discover what satellites should be overhead and only looks for those. Nice quick lock times.
Are we using GPS-a?
The fix is not to update your gps.conf file and to use local NTP server settings. Whilst it is ideal to use local time servers this does not impact your phones retrieval of the GPS-A data. The time retrieved from the states is exactly the same as Australia.
UPDATE : The Fix
It looks like there maybe an issues with the way Android on HD2 downloads the GPS-A Data. If you download a Tool from the market place called GPS Status. You can use it to download the GPS-A data manually. BAMM. Fresh GPS locks in 3 seconds versus minutes before hand.
Not sure if this process logs any messages and assume it is a cron job but ideally needs some investigation.
Thanks
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Purely outstanding! What a day! It appears there is a fix for the data connection issue and now this fix!
i am trying to make tasker run gps status and update agps data when the phone turns on and boots into android. ideally i'd like this operation to happen in the background and silently.... what are the steps to program tasker to operate in this way? i've never used tasker before.
is downloading the agps data on android boot really worth it, or should i just continue running gps status before i use navigation?
Sadly, I have never gotten compass or quick GPS lock working. I have tried these things as well (changing NTP server, installing GPS Status), several times, on several builds, on 3 different HD2's. Never worked.
On one HD2 I would get a GPS lock after 2-5min. On the other I could not get a lock at all.
Maybe someone in the US can post the contents of their gps.conf?
Tapping "reset" first in gps status app's manage agps settings then tapping download seems to work much better.
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Tried. Failed.
Edited the text, now it's blank and I can't re-edit it or copy over my back-up.
EDIT: Let gps lock on. The file is now back to normal, but I can't edit it.