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Resetting the Modem/Radio Stack under Windows Mobile 5

Under Pocket PC 2003, we found that there was a rare issue that arose with the devices and networks that meant that the only solution was to basically turn flight mode on and then off again (resetting the modem and radio stack in the process). The trick was to be able to do this programmatically so that the user did not have to manually do anything.
I tried several approaches to the problem but found very little help in the MS ConnectionManager and found that sending a reset command (ATZ) direct to the modem had a slightly erratic effect (sometimes working and other times not).
After a fair bit of research, I eventually found the solution to this to be the use of the DeviceIOControl command (detailed below - This code was available on the web, not created by me):
HANDLE hRil= CreateFile(L"RIL1:",GENERIC_READ|GENERIC_WRITE,0,0,OPEN_EXISTING,0,0);
if (hRil==NULL || hRil==INVALID_HANDLE_VALUE)
{
hRil= NULL;
return -1;
}
DWORD rildevresult=0,nReturned=0;
DeviceIoControl(hRil, 0x03000314L,0,0, &rildevresult, sizeof(DWORD), &nReturned,0);
HANDLE Ev=CreateEvent(NULL,TRUE,0,L"RILDrv_DataMode");
SetEvent(Ev);
rildevresult = 0;
DeviceIoControl(hRil, 0x03000318L,0,0, &rildevresult, sizeof(DWORD), &nReturned,0);
ResetEvent(Ev);
CloseHandle(Ev);
CloseHandle(hRil);
return 0;
Now for the problem: This series of commands does not work properly on WM5.
I do not have enough knowledge to know why, but the radio stack and modem get into a bit of a mess once this is run and the device has to be soft reset.
If anyone has another method of resetting the modem and is willing to share it, I would be most grateful.
Many thanks,
Graham.

I have been "playing" with this problem for a while now.
There are articles around that suggest that under Windows CE you need to unbind from NDS0: before you can power off an ethernet adapter (not entirely sure that this is what I want to do, but it does not seem to work anyway - probably a difference in the OS).
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalWM5Devices
shows the drivers for the Universal device (which is what I currently have in front of me). The RIL1: driver seems to be the correct one that I need to turn off, but it is definitely not working the way it should.
I believe that it might be a different IO control needs to be passed through (or possibly an extra one?) but I have so far completely failed to find out how to do this.
If anyone does have any information about this, I would appreciate it.
Further information regarding some of this can be found here:
http://rburdick.blogspot.com/2005/05/programatically-turning-pocket-pc-wlan.html
The problem here is that the code needed some adjustment before I could use it as a lot of the includes were missing and so forth. It did lead me to locate a lot of the IOCTL definitions in various include files, but RIL1 does not appear to use the standard codes.
Maimach posted this:
http://www.codecomments.com/archive421-2005-6-504006.html
I have seen this posted elsewhere but it does contain the code to turn flight mode on and off prior to WM5.
Graham.

/bump
Seemed editing my other post did not change the last post date.
Graham.

Graham - you're talking about flight mode, not wifi, so Robert Burdick's is not really what you're after, and in any event if you are interested in wifi, read his own follow up comments where he states that he's wrong with that code. It is in any event useful code, but it's not universally applicable wifi code.
The modem in the Universal is different to previous HTC devices AFAIK, and most of us have suffered some consternation getting the modem under control in WM5. It is possible, but the IOCTLs are very different now - try decompiling the wireless modem app to get a better idea.
However, this may all be, as Joey from Friends would say, a "moo point"
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If you're merely trying to go into flight mode, why are you doing it like this? Does your app/problem work when you manually toggle flight mode (eg from the start bar at the top of the screen).
And if so, does VJVolublis's flight mode control work in the same way?
V

vijay555 said:
Graham - you're talking about flight mode, not wifi, so Robert Burdick's is not really what you're after, and in any event if you are interested in wifi, read his own follow up comments where he states that he's wrong with that code. It is in any event useful code, but it's not universally applicable wifi code.
The modem in the Universal is different to previous HTC devices AFAIK, and most of us have suffered some consternation getting the modem under control in WM5. It is possible, but the IOCTLs are very different now - try decompiling the wireless modem app to get a better idea.
However, this may all be, as Joey from Friends would say, a "moo point"
If you're merely trying to go into flight mode, why are you doing it like this? Does your app/problem work when you manually toggle flight mode (eg from the start bar at the top of the screen).
And if so, does VJVolublis's flight mode control work in the same way?
V
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Thanks for the response.
I was aware that Robert Burdick's code was not meant for using to turn flight mode on and off, it was simply another source of investigation as I had hit a dead end (I thought it might inspire someone else somewhere, so I put in the link).
I have never decompiled an app before. Any pointers on where to start with that would be helpful as it may help provide an insight (and which wireless modem app too?)
Turning flight mode on/off was the only effective way of clearing the radio stack on the device when it was getting into a buggy situation where the device (and network it turns out after some investigation involving the network operators) thought that the device had a connection, but it was not transmitting any data. This problem may or may not have been resolved on the newer devices, but we are reluctant to take that risk and so we are trying to get this to work on the WM5 (Universal) device.
It works fine when done from the start bar, but not programmatically.
I have not come across "VJVolublis's flight mode control". A quick look on the web did not turn up anything either. If you have a link to this or some such, I would appreciate it.
Thanks for the help,
Graham.

Hi Graham!
Just search for VJVolublis, or check it out on my webpage (look in my sig).
Let me know if the flight mode control works in VJVolubilis; PM me to discuss.
V

Thanks for the assistance on this V.
After a certain amount of messing around it has become evident that the T-Mobile ROM needed upgrading for V's radio reset software to work correctly (so a nice little radio/rom error in there somewhere).
I upgraded the T-Mobile MDA Pro ROM from:
ROM - 1.20.32
Radio - 1.06.00
Protocol - 42.40.P8
Ext ROM - 1.20.120
to:
ROM - 1.30.114
Radio - 1.10.03
Protocol - 42.44.P8
Ext ROM - 1.30.232
and now V's reset works correctly. The download is available from the following link:
http://t-mobile.iris-global.com/download_manager_mda_pro.html
I have not tested the RIL version of the reset to see if it too is resolved, but frankly, V's reset is the better way to go, so I'll stick with that. I'm not posting details of V's reset here as it is his to give away if he decides to.
Graham.

Bah, Humbug
The code does not work
Initially, V's code appeared to work, but after a single radio off/on, any subsequent attempts jammed the device as before.
After some messing around, it appeared that the best solution was:
Turn radio off
Reset the RIL1 (as in OP)
Turn radio on
This too has turned out to be an erratic solution at best. I have managed to reset the modem up to 7 times in a row with this solution but sometimes I manage only 1 or 2, after which it jams the connection management. After jamming, the only solution is to soft reset the device.
V suggested looking at unloading the relevant device driver, which I also tried, but to no avail.
If anyone else has any thoughts on how this might be solved then please help.
Graham.
P.S. I have an XDA Exec coming soon as we want to check whether the issue is one specific to the T-Mobile devices.

Preset wifi profiles on my Vario 2 = Free Hotspot access?

I was using my phone on my wifi connection earlier today, and I noticed in the Networks dialog there's a bunch of wifi connections already there (but I've not used the phone in town, and I've never even seen some of these wifi hotspot names before), so that got me thinking...
... Does the fact that I'm subscribed to Web 'n Walk as part of my tariff mean that I also have free access to any of the hotspots predefined in the list on my wifi networks screen?
Here's the full list:
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Anybody have the faintest clue as to why these are already in my wifi networks list?

Yeah, I've got an idea. It's 2nd hand or ex-display. considering no-one else has reported having these hot-spots pre-configured on their Vario2s, it seems logical or at least likely that the device has been used before.
i.e. returned under the 14 day guarantee that if not satisfied with the product, they'll take it back and squash the contract. look under 'device information' and then call duration. If the call duration exceeds your actual usage, then that prooves it. If however it matches your call usage (see you call history), then maybe just maybe, T-Mobile have introduced this to their extended ROM in newer devices, but I doubt it.

All calls: 27min, 30sec.
This about tallies with the amount of calls I've made (mainly to customer services to get stuff like HSDPA set up) and a query about my account, plus a call to my Dad and a couple of mates...
I did notice during the customisation process that there was a cab containing 'June 2006' in its filename... Here's my ROM and hw stats:
ROM: 1.21.110.3
ROM date: 06/19/06
Radio: 1.05.05.00
Protocol ver: 32.36.7010.04H
My boot screen shows (in red)
M05
S04
B06
D1.21
at the lower left of the screen, and then my Radio and ROM versions show up fleetingly before the device shows the Windows Mobile splash screen. The device also had its protective screen cover on, which I had to peel off - and didn't look like the screen had been touched or used. Of course, they could clean it...
... I don't think this was a refurb though. Course, I could be wrong. I suppose I'll have to go find a wifi hotspot, or maybe ring up T-Mobile cust. services and ask :/

My Vario II also has lots of preconfigured wifi networks on it.
When I received the phone I did check the calls in/out and they were both 0 mins and the phone was immaculate (no scratches, fingerprints etc..) so I would be surprised if it was a return.
I have no idea if these wifi settings relate to free hotspots though or whether you would still have to buy a wifi key if you happened to be in range of one of them. I will give it a go next time I am in a larger town, where I live I don't think there are any public wifi hotspots.

I'm in Brum, so I'll go check it out (there's a T-Mobile hotspot in the bar just outside my uni building, which is actually a student bar too, so I'll have just go and have a couple of pints and investimagate

yeah, mine had all those preconfigured too. think it's standard.

christopherwoods said:
All calls: 27min, 30sec.
This about tallies with the amount of calls I've made (mainly to customer services to get stuff like HSDPA set up) and a query about my account, plus a call to my Dad and a couple of mates...
I did notice during the customisation process that there was a cab containing 'June 2006' in its filename... Here's my ROM and hw stats:
ROM: 1.21.110.3
ROM date: 06/19/06
Radio: 1.05.05.00
Protocol ver: 32.36.7010.04H
My boot screen shows (in red)
M05
S04
B06
D1.21
at the lower left of the screen, and then my Radio and ROM versions show up fleetingly before the device shows the Windows Mobile splash screen. The device also had its protective screen cover on, which I had to peel off - and didn't look like the screen had been touched or used. Of course, they could clean it...
... I don't think this was a refurb though. Course, I could be wrong. I suppose I'll have to go find a wifi hotspot, or maybe ring up T-Mobile cust. services and ask :/
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Wow. Very interesting indeed. I'm glad to be wrong. I wonder what else you and the other guys have in your extended ROMs as this does indeed seem to be a part of Your ROM. Please let us know how you got on with the Hotspots investigation and beers.

My Vario2 came pre-loaded with eleventy million different wi-fi profiles and wondered about free hot-spot access myself but when I tried to access the hot spot at my local Starbucks it still asked me for a log on I'd & password - I tried the log on I have for My T-Mobile but it came back as invalid. My guess is you have to subscribe to hot spot access seperately.

I just noticed in my Programs list I have an Interactive menu (with the T Mobile logo superimposed over a picture of a SIM card)... Clicking it goes into an app called 'STK Service', which gives me an interactive menu.
I have the usual, Fun, Info, Music, Chat, Sports, Games, Text plus, Groups, Voicemail, t-zones (oh aye?) and Prepay topup...
So I click on t-zones, it shows a white screen with the text 't-zones' on it, and the soft keys turn into Yes and No. I click Yes, and it opens IE with a weird URL (all boxes, so in a character set I can't discern), then WM5 shows a dialog box with "Cannot connect with current connection settings. TO change your connection settings, tap Settings."
The plot thickens...

I have all of those access points as well. And mine is a brand new Vario II.

I emailed T-Mobile a while back asking this, and the other week I got a response:
Ross @ T-Mobile said:
Hi Christopher,
Thank you for your email about Wifi on your MDA.
The profiles on you phone are mostly T-Mobile related, there are some which are for T-Mobile in other countries, BT is also there as we have an agreement with them. The others are just large Wifi providers.
They are put on the phone just to make it easier for you to connect to them. They are not essential in any way to making your phone work and if you want to delete them it will not cause any problems.
I hope this answers your question, if you have any further queries please don't hesitate to contact us again.
Kind regards
RossT-Mobile
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Just a bit of preferential configuration on their part Only takes a minute to remove though, so it's ok.

I have the exact same pre-configured Wifi profiles on mine. I just deleted them.

me2

Yeah, I got a response a while back from T-Mobile - they are purely 'to help you connect to one of our hotspots more easily' for want of a better way of putting it.
I did a more custom install this time round when I got my replacement Hermes, and didn't install the CAB which sets up the access point SSIDs in the Wifi Network profiles... They now don't appear.
The TM rep confirmed that I didn't have access to the networks, they were just there as, effectively, shortcuts.

Not true
mackaby007 said:
Yeah, I've got an idea. It's 2nd hand or ex-display. considering no-one else has reported having these hot-spots pre-configured on their Vario2s, it seems logical or at least likely that the device has been used before.
i.e. returned under the 14 day guarantee that if not satisfied with the product, they'll take it back and squash the contract. look under 'device information' and then call duration. If the call duration exceeds your actual usage, then that prooves it. If however it matches your call usage (see you call history), then maybe just maybe, T-Mobile have introduced this to their extended ROM in newer devices, but I doubt it.
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Mine was brand new and sealed and came like this. There is another thread about it somewhere as I remember seeing it - it definately doesn;t mean it isn't new.

Totally brand-new Vario - and these (useful) profiles were included.
If you use BT's Total Broadband package (as I do) then you will have 500 free OpenZone minutes to use every month (something they do not advertise very much).

mackaby007 said:
Yeah, I've got an idea. It's 2nd hand or ex-display. considering no-one else has reported having these hot-spots pre-configured on their Vario2s, it seems logical or at least likely that the device has been used before.
i.e. returned under the 14 day guarantee that if not satisfied with the product, they'll take it back and squash the contract. look under 'device information' and then call duration. If the call duration exceeds your actual usage, then that prooves it. If however it matches your call usage (see you call history), then maybe just maybe, T-Mobile have introduced this to their extended ROM in newer devices, but I doubt it.
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No, it's so not true. I broke the security seal on the package. There was not a single finger mark or anything, you don't need to be a genius to tell if a phone is ex-display or 2nd hand.

1.64.08.21 Radio Incompatible for many!

This is the second phone i noticed this problem. After flashing my radio from 1.58.25.14 to 1.64.08.21 I'm only getting two bars at the network icon.
Even after reverting back to 1.58.25.14 I'm unable to get four signal bars as I use to earlier.
Can someone tell me what has gone wrong and how can I fix this?
Thanks!
EDIT: I have received many PM's and have read posts/threads mentioning the same issue that I have gone through. Please make this a STICKY, warning people from Asian countries not to flash Radio v1.64.08.21.
EDIT: Please bear in mind that my phone comes with the factory radio 1.58.25.14 whereas I have seen most of the devices on this forum come with the factory radio 1.58.21.23

*bump* anyone please help?

Jibreil said:
Can someone tell me what has gone wrong and how can I fix this?
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Fix what? Your mobile operator?

Henry_Lee said:
Fix what? Your mobile operator?
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Mate, that was NOT funny.
First read my first post properly and then care to answer... appreciate if anyone else can take a look into this.

Jibreil said:
Mate, that was NOT funny.
First read my first post properly and then care to answer... appreciate if anyone else can take a look into this.
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Your right, its noy funny.
Its VERY FUNNY.
Dont be stupid, its radio, its possible to changed by anything reason. Your flashing does not influence for it.

Henry_Lee said:
Your right, its noy funny.
Its VERY FUNNY.
Dont be stupid, its radio, its possible to changed by anything reason. Your flashing does not influence for it.
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Then can you explain why even after flashing back my factory radio i.e. 1.58.xx.xx the network remains to be low signaled?
What is your R G D figures reading? Cause mine D reads 1.52.PKD (or something like that, is that normal?)

Jibreil said:
Then can you explain why even after flashing back my factory radio i.e. 1.58.xx.xx the network remains to be low signaled?
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You need read something about GSM network.
But for begin, try read manual about elementary physics and radio waves.
I try think.... Sorry.

Henry_Lee said:
You need read something about GSM network.
But for begin, try read manual about elementary physics and radio waves.
I try think.... Sorry.
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I asked a simple query for which you just made stupid fun and haven't even answered properly because you can't even read the first post thoroughly.
I've reported your behavior to the Staff. Happy dissing people in the future looser!

Jibreil said:
Then can you explain why even after flashing back my factory radio i.e. 1.58.xx.xx the network remains to be low signaled?
What is your R G D figures reading? Cause mine D reads 1.52.PKD (or something like that, is that normal?)
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I also flashed 1.64.08.21 and it has no influence on my reception yet concerning GSM/UMTS network.
What Henry_Lee want's to tell you is: the loss of signal quality does not nessecarily have to be connected to your change of radio ROM. It could have different reasons, for example having more subscribers in the GSM/UMTS cell you are booked in.
The D figure you're asking for is AFAIK the ROM version (not radio ROM) in your device.
But: I flashed the mentioned radio ROM yesterday on WM 6 (not 6.1) and encountered the following problem: the signal quality icon did not change after logging on to network. So if I logged on with two/three bars it stayed that way until complete loss of connection. After changing to WM 6.1 it worked again properly. You could have the same problem which I had under WM 6.
Oh nearly forgot there was some kind of a work-around for updating the signal quality icon: tapping on the task bar to open the popup where you can view details of data connections, signal quality, volume and battery updated the icon.
And please calm down both of you. We're here to learn and not to fight.

Thanks friend. Appreciate your answer.
I flashed WM6 and WM6.1 ROM both im facing the same problem.
Besides the quality is so bad that if I move even a few cms from that location the signal drops completely.
Earlier, on the factory radio I had four bars constant no matter where I was moving about. May be a drop of one bar but never a complete loss of signal.

I noticed mine had dropped but this was due to it automatically enabling 3G (H Icon enabled) the signal went down to 2 bars however turning off 3G the signal was back at 4 bars. I guess mine is the signal strength on whatever type of service was selected. I do however think 1.64.08.21 to be the better radio rom.

Toxic17 said:
I noticed mine had dropped but this was due to it automatically enabling 3G (H Icon enabled) the signal went down to 2 bars however turning off 3G the signal was back at 4 bars. I guess mine is the signal strength on whatever type of service was selected. I do however think 1.64.08.21 to be the better radio rom.
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Is 3G Enabled by the Radio or the ROM. I'm asking you this because I flashed my Radio on my factory ROM and noticed the bars drop.
Can you tell me where can I disable 3G?
Thanks for your feedback.

Jibreil said:
Is 3G Enabled by the Radio or the ROM. I'm asking you this because I flashed my Radio on my factory ROM and noticed the bars drop.
Can you tell me where can I disable 3G?
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3G is enabled by ROM through radio. Meaning that if you have a radio not providing 3G capabilities your ROM wouldn't be able of using it. (btw by default 3G is enabled)
To your second question where to disable 3G:
Settings -> Phone -> Band (not sure if that's also the term in WWE edition, the one between Network and PIN2) -> Select your Networktype -> GSM
This will disable 3G completely.

Same Problem..
I have same problem..
When I use same simcard,
I have 4 of 4 bars on my PROPHET,
I have 2 of 4 bars on my POLARIS (I changed network type to GSM, before I had no bar !!)
Anybody has a solution?
Jibreil said:
This is the second phone i noticed this problem. After flashing my radio from 1.58.25.14 to 1.64.08.21 I'm only getting two bars at the network icon.
Even after reverting back to 1.58.25.14 I'm unable to get four signal bars as I use to earlier.
Can someone tell me what has gone wrong and how can I fix this?
Thanks!
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Same here. But this appear to be a cometic thing. Voice and video calls works nice and i've noticed no extra battery drains. Goods: bt speed doubled (112KB/s)

ycimpir said:
When I use same simcard,
I have 4 of 4 bars on my PROPHET,
I have 2 of 4 bars on my POLARIS (
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Your phones do not necessarliy connect to the same relay station at any given time.
And the number of bars is an estimation of your ROM-version and does not show the real signal strength at all.
You'll also notice that sometimes you start a call having one bar while having 3 or 4 when hanging up (relay station switched while phoning).
Sascha

Actually, 1.64.08.21 works very well in ChinaMobile, both WM6 and WM6.1(19202 and 19209). no BT issue, fastest GPS locate, due to there is no 3G support in China yet, can't test the 3G performance.
I think the issue which Jibreil mentioned happens on the individual device. maybe the device version(HK??ASIA??).
my polaris is the european version.

windirt said:
Actually, 1.64.08.21 works very well in ChinaMobile, both WM6 and WM6.1(19202 and 19209). no BT issue, fastest GPS locate, due to there is no 3G support in China yet, can't test the 3G performance.
I think the issue which Jibreil mentioned happens on the individual device. maybe the device version(HK??ASIA??).
my polaris is the european version.
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Yea, may be the case. Please bear in mind that my phone comes with the factory radio v1.58.25.14 whereas I have seen most of the devices on this forum come with the factory radio 1.58.21.23.

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I am in Thailand.
Always 4 bars.
vivi

I have no problem using 1.64.08.21 in both HK & Mainland China. Reception is as good as the original shipped 21.23 version.

Australia - Android GPS NOT working.

Currently tried a number of HD2 Andriod Froyo ROMs and ended up settling on HyperDroidV1.6 - however, after working through a number of teething issues I still CANNOT for the life of me get GPS to work here in Australia.
NOTE: I'm trying to use GPS Satellites - GPS using Wireless Networks WORKS but is totally inaccurate
So I've read through the numerous posts on here and a ton of other sites/forums to no avail, below is/are the changes I made with no success.
For the record I am using ChuckyROM (latest) as WinMo Base
1. Edit system/etc/gps.conf with the following:
Code:
NTP_SERVER=0.au.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_1=1.au.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_2=2.au.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_3=3.au.pool.ntp.org
SUPL_HOST=supl.google.com
SUPL_PORT=7276
2. Ran QuickGPS on WinMo before booting into Android;
3. Downloaded and installed both GPS Status and GPS Test and set them up to automatically download Sateliates.
Have tried ALL the above, and still whenever I go to Maps, Latitude or Navigation I get:
"Your current location is temporarily unavailable"
Ideas/Help?

elite_gamer04 said:
Currently tried a number of HD2 Andriod Froyo ROMs and ended up settling on HyperDroidV1.6 - however, after working through a number of teething issues I still CANNOT for the life of me get GPS to work here in Australia.
NOTE: I'm trying to use GPS Satellites - GPS using Wireless Networks WORKS but is totally inaccurate
I'm using the
So I've read through the numerous posts on here and a ton of other sites/forums to no avail, below is/are the changes I made with no success.
For the record I am using ChuckyROM (latest) as WinMo Base
1. Edit system/etc/gps.conf with the following:
Code:
NTP_SERVER=0.au.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_1=1.au.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_2=2.au.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_3=3.au.pool.ntp.org
SUPL_HOST=supl.google.com
SUPL_PORT=7276
2. Ran QuickGPS on WinMo before booting into Android;
3. Downloaded and installed both GPS Status and GPS Test and set them up to automatically download Sateliates.
Have tried ALL the above, and still whenever I go to Maps, Latitude or Navigation I get:
"Your current location is temporarily unavailable"
Ideas/Help?
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I'm using the exact builds and etc, hell even with Telstra and I too had a problem with gps not connecting.
Eventually I edited the gps.conf file and it got working but it takes a while to get a fix (at least half a minute).
On saying that, I see you've edited the file already to the same settings I have so I'm at a loss here.
But if you find a fix, I would like to know as it may help to speed up my gps...

Yatmund said:
I'm using the exact builds and etc, hell even with Telstra and I too had a problem with gps not connecting.
Eventually I edited the gps.conf file and it got working but it takes a while to get a fix (at least half a minute).
On saying that, I see you've edited the file already to the same settings I have so I'm at a loss here.
But if you find a fix, I would like to know as it may help to speed up my gps...
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Can i enquire as to what Radio and ROM your using mate?

Okay.
First off the GPS.conf file relates to how android downloads your GPS-A data. However the whole process does not work.
The fix people are reporting is a have.
Without GPS-A data you can still get a GPS fix however you really need to be in an open place and stationary. Should be under a minute.
However the easy fix is to download the GPS Status and toolkit (eclipsim)app. Download the GPS-A data and bam. You will get valid locks in 5 seconds.
When running the app the bottom left of the compass will have an age of the GPS-A data. What does it say?

I'm not sure this is going to be any help to you but...
GPS is working just fine for me. With "Brut Google Maps" I've even used it for Navigation whilst driving.
I haven't fiddled with any gps.conf in the few builds I've tried. I run QuickGPS in WM when I remember as many folks swear that makes a big difference.
When it initially "locks" it may be off by about a block, but once it gets a few more satellites (within about a minute, depending on your view of the sky) it becomes rock solid.
I haven't used those other apps but I know Ulysse Gizmos shows how many sats you've locked on to, time of last lock, etc
In case it's any use this is the gps.conf from the build I'm using atm:
Code:
NTP_SERVER=north-america.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_1=http://xtra1.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
XTRA_SERVER_2=http://xtra2.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
XTRA_SERVER_3=http://xtra3.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
SUPL_HOST=supl.google.com
SUPL_PORT=7276
Comparing that to what you have I'd suggest changing the XTRA_SERVER lines to match the above.
You've set them to NTP servers. They aren't going to supply the bin file needed, which I'm guessing is something to help the GPS lock faster.
That may even be causing your problems!

Good spotting. Didn't even notice.
The first line is to ensure your phones time is correct. If you query alaska versus bali you will still get the same values. No point changing that.
The next three lines are URL's to the GPS-A data which is satelite data. Basically I wrote heaps about it previously and can't be bother repeating. Simply without this info your phone needs to download it direct from the sat's which is very slow and cannot be resumed. GPS-Status downloads this from the internet which is very fast. Once the GPS has this info it can lock sats very quickly. Hastarin's post has good data.
The GPS status app can force download this info which makes it unique.
I am in Perth, wa and have no issues with gps locks from the above.

The gps is still buggy. Sure, you get quick fix after gps.conf, quickgps and agps data download in 'gps status' from market, but it doesn't last long! Only way I can replicate the fast fix you get right after you have done all the .conf, etc is to set Tasker to launch every now and then to get new agps data.

Right so spent the last 4 hours working through things with no success:
- Ran Task29, loaded on new Radios (2.14.50.04 and 2.15.50.14) and also loaded VBNRom RELOADED 2 - WWE 3.14 Core and also reloaded ChuckyROM.
- Ran QuickGPS in WinMo
- Edited the north-america.pool.ntp.org to au.pool.ntp.org, left the rest default as suggested by hastarin.
- Ran GPS Status + Toolkit (downloaded Satellites).
Still NOTHING if I use GPS Satellites - with Wifi GPS it locates me BUT 3 streets over in a tree haha.
ROM: HyperDroidV1.6
Radio: 2.14.50.04 and 2.15.50.14

How long did you leave it?
Wide open space?
I presume it works fine in WinMo?

dusty_nz said:
How long did you leave it?
Wide open space?
I presume it works fine in WinMo?
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Left it for 20 minutes - kept touching screen so it wouldn't turn screen off (wasn't sure if that would stop it).
Yeah, on my balcony - tried a number of locations too - at work, in the car home and at home.
Booted into WinMo and downloaded Google Maps had a WAY more accurate location - at-least I was on the right street.. Any other free programs I can try in Windows?

elite_gamer04 said:
Right so spent the last 4 hours working through things with no success:
- Ran Task29, loaded on new Radios (2.14.50.04 and 2.15.50.14) and also loaded VBNRom RELOADED 2 - WWE 3.14 Core and also reloaded ChuckyROM.
- Ran QuickGPS in WinMo
- Edited the north-america.pool.ntp.org to au.pool.ntp.org, left the rest default as suggested by hastarin.
- Ran GPS Status + Toolkit (downloaded Satellites).
Still NOTHING if I use GPS Satellites - with Wifi GPS it locates me BUT 3 streets over in a tree haha.
ROM: HyperDroidV1.6
Radio: 2.14.50.04 and 2.15.50.14
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Did you try the app I mentioned to see how many satellites are locked on?
With 3 you'll be in the general area but with 9 you should be within a few meters.
Sent from my HTC HD2

Just use GPS status under android.
Ensure the circle is showing 0 days. Go via the menu
Settings > GPS & Sensors > Manage A-GPS state
Click Reset
Click download
Back to main screen. Lock took 30 seconds inside at the computer. Brand new rom just downloaded.
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Once a lock is established the toolbar icon will stop flashing and the long/lat will show down the bottom panel (Currently rotating)

Thanks for the continued support guys.
@hastarin: I did indeed use the app you suggested - but no cigar, didn't get to check number of satellites but left it for a good 20mins while @ dinner. Will check when I get home.
What ROM and Radio are you using?
@dusty_nz: Currently away with work and didn't bring HD2 as the battery life with Andriod was to poor for business enviroment (another matter). But I did indeed, reset, and download the satellites a number of times with no luck.
When I get home again I will try once more; the issue is it just keeps rotating (the circle) - I get nothing.
What ROM and Radio are you using?
@OP: As an update, I just tried my mates Desire, rooted and updated to a stock Froyo 2.2 ROM and with Wifi Satellite UNTICKED he gets nothing using GPS Satellites - different phone, different Radio and it still doesn't work - makes me think something to do with Telstra?

I am also on telstra.
Technically you should be able to yank the sim and still use the gps. I will try that tomorrow.
I am on a Miri WM base. have used all the radio's with no issues and currently on Froystone 3.2 rom.
I am on a t8585 however am waiting for my t9193 to arrive and will test.

Hey elite_gamer04,
Remember me in hyerpdroid thread? I also had problems with gps before, but now it is working accurately. There is 1 time I lost connection, I just disabled then re-enabled GPS then its ok again. I uploaded my gps status snapshot....I'm not sure if it is with winmo rom because I also changed my winmo rom to stock now. At least I'm sure now it is not with hyperdroid.
Gudluck with your gps...This is my setup now:
Winmo rom: Stock (ARA-WWE)
Radio: 2.15

I seem to be having the same problem here in the USA.
I downloaded GPS status, downloaded the GPS-A data, turned on GPS satellite and made sure the data was 0 days old and still no luck. I've checked the gps.conf to make sure that's normal looking too.
When I open up GPS status in an open environment it doesn't show any satellite information at all :/ I'm not really sure what to do at this point. Any tips?

I have had the same issue (slow or no triangulation) since I started with Android builds with two different HD2's.

ralewis said:
I seem to be having the same problem here in the USA.
I downloaded GPS status, downloaded the GPS-A data, turned on GPS satellite and made sure the data was 0 days old and still no luck. I've checked the gps.conf to make sure that's normal looking too.
When I open up GPS status in an open environment it doesn't show any satellite information at all :/ I'm not really sure what to do at this point. Any tips?
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alantak said:
I have had the same issue (slow or no triangulation) since I started with Android builds with two different HD2's.
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-did you try a diiferent winmo rom like the stock rom?

apeatan said:
-did you try a diiferent winmo rom like the stock rom?
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Hmm, no not yet. I'm currently using the the newest VBNROM with 2.15 radio. I tried with the old VBNROM and it didn't work there either.
I guess i'll try stock later tonight and see if it helps any. Just out of curiosity, how does the winmo rom effect things like GPS when in android?
Edit: Just to be sure. This would be the ROM right? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=717600

ralewis said:
Hmm, no not yet. I'm currently using the the newest VBNROM with 2.15 radio. I tried with the old VBNROM and it didn't work there either.
I guess i'll try stock later tonight and see if it helps any. Just out of curiosity, how does the winmo rom effect things like GPS when in android?
Edit: Just to be sure. This would be the ROM right? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=717600
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-I was using chuckyrom rom and vbn before but I think they didn't gave me accurate readings also (or maybe just a bad network) but I'm sticking to the stock for now. I am also curious with that cause I thought drivers are only things working that are winmo based.
-That is a custom rom. Stock roms are the 1s that came with your hd2 when you 1st bought it. If you are on a contract, you should get the stock rom that your operator provided.

GSM signal dropping and then disappearing?

I have had my HD2 since March 2011. It is unlocked, HSPL 2.08 and radio 2.15.50.14. Apart from the known issues with the Phone Canvas with later WM6.5 builds it has been fine. I have been cooking ROMs since my Wizard and then the Blackstone so I am reasonably experienced. I currently have my own custom build installed based on 5.2.23568.
For about a week now it seems to have developed a fault in that the GSM signal just drops off and then goes 'searching'. If I soft-reset the phone it will usually come back and then start to drop off again. If I disable the GSM radio and then re-enable it sometimes it won't enable immediately and might take three goes at the slider going green and then it asking for my PIN.
I have hard-reset, installed various different radios and recently re-flashed but the issue remains. I have also taken the case off the phone and ensured the 'touch' connecters are making contact with the antenna in the case housing. I ahave also reflashed te stock ROM and still the issue remains.
I have now reverted back to my Blackstone as it has become intolerable.
At the moment I have the Blackstone and the HD2 sat next to each other (both with Vodafone SIM cards installed) and the Blackstone has all 4-bars displayed and the HD2 has the 'Martini glass' searching symbol displayed.
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Its an eBay purchase but is more or less immaculate - it isn't something I can get my carrier to repair if it is a hardware fault.....
Any ideas

First (not trying to be rude) have you swopped sim cards to ensure its not a sim issue?
Next (I read on you trying different roms) task 29 and reinstall a stock win mo rom, its been known that on occasions failures are resolved by doing this, if it works they put your rom back on.
sadly thats the best I can offer

Like above check sim card fully & network for issues.
I had a very similar issue on my old Touch Pro, signal would go weak & sometimes overnight would loose conection & I would need to toggle flight mode & then all would be ok.
I started think that was likely hardware after calling network & tech support was convinced my device, well turned out was network prob & only linked to that one sim & how it registered to tower !
So check it out well.
Also you could try padding the back of the sim with some tape in case it is a sim contact issue ... & perhaps flash a stock ROM from SD so everwrite HSPL,Radio & also rilphone.dll will all be paired as should be !
All long shots but not much else left ... Good luck ...

I have similar problem. The phone has weak signal and it looses signal on weaker spots where other phones have full signal.
I have HD2 from US and I am in Europe. Maybe I should put some Europe RAdio?
Also sound is very low.

hrga said:
I have similar problem. The phone has weak signal and it looses signal on weaker spots where other phones have full signal.
I have HD2 from US and I am in Europe. Maybe I should put some Europe RAdio?
Also sound is very low.
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Take CARE when flashing radios as non compatible versions on a US T-Mobile HD2 could result in HD2 paperweight.
My HD2 seems on par with other devices I have compared it for reception strength & I use it in some weak areas without issues.
Have seen a few posts on weak reception so it is either a particular SPL Radio & ROM combo is to blame or hardware issue if unlucky ...

Thanks for the replies it's much appreciated.
Firstly I have swapped SIM cards around (Vodafone Contract SIM & Vodafone Pay&Go SIM) and the fault follows the HD2. I think it has to be hardware or somthing 'unique' with my IMEI number and it registering?
It seems bizzare as I can sit here and watch the signal bars gradually drop off and then it go to 'searching' whilst the Blackstone just sits there happily with 3-bars and never budges.
I am unsure how to approach Vodafone about it as its my own phone (not supplied on a contract) and I think they would be able to give me some technical information as to what's happening with the registrations.
Andy

ADB100 said:
Thanks for the replies it's much appreciated.
Firstly I have swapped SIM cards around (Vodafone Contract SIM & Vodafone Pay&Go SIM) and the fault follows the HD2. I think it has to be hardware or somthing 'unique' with my IMEI number and it registering?
It seems bizzare as I can sit here and watch the signal bars gradually drop off and then it goe to 'searching' whilst the Blackstone just sits there happily with 3-bars and never budges.
I am unsure how to approach Vodafone about it as its my own phone (not supplied on a contract) and I think they would be able to give me some technical information as to what's happening with the registrations.
Andy
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I would recommend try other network sims or a foreign sim & you can then connect to various networks (roaming) & test signal reception.
That is how I got evidence that it was my network (DTAC) at fault, luckily my network main Office is near my work office so I turned up & pushed the issue until they produced a technical individual with the required knowledge & gumption to help resolve the issue.
The Phone Techies are useless unless you get lucky & we are talking national lottery lucky here.
Chances of hardware are quite high too as a few threads along same issue as yours are around on HD2 reception.

It gets more bizzare - Since the Leo is just better than the Blackstone I decided to take both with me and keep the Blackstone as 'fallback'. Tuesday & Wednesday I worked in Hull and the Leo worked just fine. Went out to the pub last night and the Leo just wouldn't register. Over a period of about 15-minutes I tried soft resetting, taking the battery out etc but nothing. I gave up and left the phone on the bar whilst I was talking to someone and then 5-minutes later I get a text - check the phone and its got 3-bars of signal? I sent a text reply and then the phone seemed to be OK.
Today the phone has been in the same position at home where I took the photo above and its not lost connection all day (so far).
I don't know what to think but I still believe it isn't fixed....
Andy