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Finally an Update for BELL htc touch GPS/WM6.1

check htc's website for the update...
everything works great....google maps, tomtom....sats catch in seconds....awesome
lol....bell late as usual

amad99
I tried to download, link states 3.08.666.1
The downloaded file seems to be 1.19.666.1 (same as what is on my ROM)
What File did you get?

http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=70&act=sd
go almost to the bottom and click the link for
Download HTC Touch (Bell) Update - Version 3.08.666.1
its under the gray box thats says
WARNING: During the upgrade process, do not attempt to make/receive calls, press any buttons on your device or disconnect the device from the USB cable as this will stop the update and your device will be rendered inoperable! Please be aware that your device may reset up to 4 times after the provisioning as your device updates.

This radio kicks ass. After I flashed it, I flashed NFSFan's ROM, works like a charm.

Does this work better than any of the other rom updates that we already have?

this rom works amazing and the gps locks in under 10 secs for me where it used to take like 8 mins

Bell wants to charges us for GPS
Not suprisingly, Bell wants to charges us for using the GPS functionnality of our "Plenty features that you better not use because we are wating to charge you all kinds of fees PDA phones"
My bill went higher than 400$ in 3 minutes by using the WModem, fortunately they credit me because it was the first time, and they told me to never use this pretty usefull feature again.
The new Bell rom Laucher has new icon, GPS NAV wich bring to this:
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Is anyone of you was charged for using the GPS?
If I use AstroGPSLauncher, will Bell know that I am using GPS and charge me crazy money?
Thanks in advance

I'm using AstroGPSLauncher but I cant' get a valid GPS signal. It might be because Bell is charging everyone for the GPS use...
Will a custom ROM defeat this stupid, stupid fee?

it doesn't cost to use gps.....that new program is by bell which is supposed to be like 3d navigation such as tomtom....
for example....if u use google maps with gps...you shouldn't get charged...

I still can't get any signal. It waits for a valid signal forever.

link2009 said:
I still can't get any signal. It waits for a valid signal forever.
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These steps should work with googlemaps
1 - Go outside
2 - Start Google Maps
3 - Open menu -> Hit the use GPS
4 - Open menu again -> Hit My Location
It sould lock in les than 10 seconds

Aha, okay, I'll try that.
How about TomTom?
EDIT: I unfortunately do not have a data plan thus Google Maps will not work for me. But I did try your suggestion and when I hit 'My Location' it said My Location (Beta) is not supported on this handheld.

link2009 said:
... when I hit 'My Location' it said My Location (Beta) is not supported on this handheld.
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I also get this message, However it still finds my location very accurately ... as you said, you need data connection to get the maps from google.
I did not tried TomTom yet.

Well I hooked my phone to my comp to get the data but it still won't grab any satellites..
Seeking GPS satelleties (0) ...

HTCGlow said:
Not suprisingly, Bell wants to charges us for using the GPS functionnality of our "Plenty features that you better not use because we are wating to charge you all kinds of fees PDA phones"
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I’m not trying to pick a fight here but it’s these kind of statements that make us look silly when we do have a legitimate beef with the wireless industry. Why do people get so upset when cellphone companies try to make money?!?!?!?!?
HTCGlow said:
My bill went higher than 400$ in 3 minutes by using the WModem, fortunately they credit me because it was the first time, and they told me to never use this pretty usefull feature again.
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I am no fan of the wireless industry in North America (especially in Canada) but really… unlimited mobile browser isn’t the same as “unlimited high-speed internet everywhere on whatever device you can connect this thing to” for obvious reasons. It is precisely for these kinds of reasons the wireless industry has been so slow coming out with unlimited data plans on these devices. Why not buy a nice server from Dell and run a website out of my garage over my cellphone using my “unlimited” data plan?
All that being said, no you do not need to use the GPS app that Bell has bundled with the new ROM. You can use Google maps or any other GPS capable application. Personally I feel this is a very fair way for Bell to introduce this kind of a feature. Don’t try charging us to use something that is free (GPS) but bundle an app that adds value to the equation and if it’s really worth it people will use it and pay for it. What bugs us is when you try charging us for something without adding value to the equation. Ignore the Bell GPS app (unless you want to try it). You don’t need it for GPS functionality.

link2009 said:
Well I hooked my phone to my comp to get the data but it still won't grab any satellites.....
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Are you on Bell??? Get the unlimited data feature for $7/month. This package is quite simply the best value in the wireless industry.

This ROM from Bell is top-notch. Easily the BEST one I have seen. A few weeks ago I got tired of waiting for Bell and broke down and flashed the Sprint ROM and then tried various custom ROM’s. None of the custom ROM’s came anywhere CLOSE to locking as fast or as accurately as this ROM from Bell. They might be late but they have the best ROM for GPS.

Talking about complaining….
How come we all complain about stuff like charges for data but no one seems to complain about the oldest ripoff in the books – “long distance”. Really!?!? I mean get real. Long distance used to cost more because involved operators plugging lines into a patch panel. Why does it still cost more? Especially when I am calling a place that I could drive to in 20 minutes. Really?!?!?! Long distance charges are a joke.
Fortunately my local calling radius is substantially larger on my cell phone then my home phone.
Oh, and talking about land-lines, what’s with dialing 1 before the area code? Has anyone ever stopped to consider what a backwards throwback that is? In the era of 10-digit dialing its more then a little annoying to hang up and dial again just because you weren’t sure if it was long distance or not.
The Fish

So do we get charged for using the GPS?
And I also didn't know about the $7/month for unlimited data, I'll check into that.

link2009 said:
So do we get charged for using the GPS?
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No, you do not. You will get charged if you use the GPSNav application that Bell has included in this ROM.
To use the GPS feature for free download an app that is able to take advantage of it (for example Google Maps).
link2009 said:
And I also didn't know about the $7/month for unlimited data, I'll check into that.
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The $7/month data package from Bell is what makes the Touch such a hot device. Only avalible on the Touch.

HD2 Handset or 3G Blackspot?

Right. You might remember I had connection issues with the HD2. I sent it off for repair, and it came back, but now displaying "3G+" at the top. This was super fast and everything was working fine. Now, all of a sudden it has gone back to 3G that is REALLY slow! Now, I see other people are having this problem. According to Vodafone, I am in a 3G blackspot and there is nothing I can do. If this was the case, I would never receive 3G+ in the first place, which they just ignore when I ask them about it. Could it possibly be the phone? I personally think Vodafone are just messing me around

Only 1 view? Any reply would be appreciated, this is an ongoing problem for me...

Edited : Was being a fool

Just because people look at it it doesn't mean they are going to have an answer i have seen some threads on here go unanswered for the best part of the day until someone comes on-line that actually has an answer, so just give it time, not every member knows what everybody else knows, that's why its a forum for people to club together and help each other out.
rant over

Oh ok, I'm sorry

Ok, so now Vodafone are ignoring me, which is just great (pfft). I would appreciate ANY help if there are any tips as to any procedures I could undertake. The HSDPA I was receiving just cut out the other night, and won't budge from 3G any more, not even to G or E, which is kinda annoying.

Have you tried it in a different area? You'll not get HSDPA coverage everywhere - that's normal. The way you're talking, seems like you're just sitting in your house testing it.

Of course I've tested it elsewhere. What you need to understand is though, I was receiving HSDPA full in my house for a good few days after I got the phone back from repair, now its just gone. All of a sudden, gone. I try doing the network selection process again, and the 3G+ flickers for a millisecond at the most, and then disappears. I don't know why this is happening, I used to get brilliant HSDPA connection wherever I went in Preston

Just to give you guys a glimpse of EXACTLY how bad the connection is, I ran a speed test on my phone via speedtest.net. Here are the results:
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There is DEFINITELY something wrong here, but what could it be?

Faz20 said:
Just to give you guys a glimpse of EXACTLY how bad the connection is, I ran a speed test on my phone via speedtest.net. Here are the results:
There is DEFINITELY something wrong here, but what could it be?
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What is wrong? that you're getting as-expected 3G speed (.38mbps is the equivalent of 384kbps 3G standard) or the fact that you're getting a 3G+ symbol but are only getting 3G speed? Just because it's showing 3G+ (im assuming that it's similar to HSPA) doesnt mean you're at the optimal cell distance to receive it. It may be VERY POOR in your case, so it bounce you down to 3G.

That's the thing, its not poor in my area. I mean, I don't think even standard 3G is as slow as I'm experiencing. A 12 second YouTube video taking a minute to buffer? www.google.com taking a LONG time to load, there's something wrong man. I feel like just selling this phone and getting a BB or something, I know the connectivity will be strong with that.

Faz20 said:
That's the thing, its not poor in my area. I mean, I don't think even standard 3G is as slow as I'm experiencing. A 12 second YouTube video taking a minute to buffer? www.google.com taking a LONG time to load, there's something wrong man. I feel like just selling this phone and getting a BB or something, I know the connectivity will be strong with that.
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How do you verify? Do you have another vodafone nearby that you can test out?

That's the annoying thing, I can't test out my SIM in another smartphone, as this is the only one I have. I have however tried another SIM in my phone and there is the same problem. This is the reply I get from Vodafone eForum:
Hi Faz20,
If it was a site fault that was to blame for this before, then it's highly likely to be the same sort of problem again. Issues like this are rarely ever the fault of the handset.
I have checked the postcode listed in your profile, and can see there are three possible HSDPA sites around you, none of which are showing any open faults at this moment, so we'll need to raise a case to our Faults Team for this to be investigated further.
I've emailed you so that we can start this process off
Jon
eForum Team
What is annoying me is that they keep ignoring me when I say I was experiencing fine internet connection with smooth speeds, and it just suddenly cut out. They just change the subject ALL the time when I mention it :angry:

One more to remember: you have to consider the speed AND QoS as well.
Try another site, I'd google for visualvare my speed.
If you have poor quality of service (you have veeeery long ping) that means: your phone tries to download.. then waits.. then tries again.. and some packets are lost.... so tries again... and so on.

1699ms ping is quite a lot I imagine? As my puter is only like 0.6ms, but surely the phone can't have that big a difference. Is there anything I could do to lower the ping, I don't want to flash and cooked ROM's atm as I am very inexperienced and don't want to void the warranty.

Faz20 said:
1699ms ping is quite a lot I imagine? As my puter is only like 0.6ms, but surely the phone can't have that big a difference. Is there anything I could do to lower the ping, I don't want to flash and cooked ROM's atm as I am very inexperienced and don't want to void the warranty.
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Then you're simply in a 3G blackspot. I know it's disheartening for having an HD2 and stuck with ****ty data coverage, but that's what seem to be the problem right now. You have a seriously high ping coupled that with slow transfer speed would only dictate that you're not in an ideal area where 3G coverage is plentiful.

How would that explain that I was receiving fine connection speeds before? This is where my hair is falling out

Faz20 said:
How would that explain that I was receiving fine connection speeds before? This is where my hair is falling out
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Maybe you're hallucinating that you had fast connection before? Maybe Vodafone thought that your area doesn't deserve the bandwidth and thus prioritizing the 3G speed for other, more robust, cities? Or maybe radioactive termites have run amok on the cell tower, causing you to not get fast 3G speed?
Who knows...

Nah, I can assure you I wasn't hallucinating, I stay away from the Magic Mushrooms
I just think Vodafone are a bag of s*it. All my friends with the same phone on O2, Orange are receiving HSDPA all the time. Its stupid
I'm gonna phone up Vodafone today and kinda go mad at them. The last time I phone they "escalated" the connection, maybe the reason why I was getting HSDPA all the time, wherever I went. Now suddenly its gone again. Quick question for you guys, when your phone is on 3G Full bars, how is the speeds. Are they quick and rapid? Do Internet pages load quickly? etc. etc.

Ok, so what do I get told when I ring up Vodafone. I have bad 3G coverage in my area (blatant lie). When I ask how do I resolve this? Buy Vodafone Sure Signal, £50 one off payment or £5 a month. Great way to resolve a problem, try to sell me something else, another one of Vodafone's probably bullsh*t products. Its so frustrating, having to live with a stupid network provider with such a beautiful phone!
Can I cry on someone's shoulder?

.:Dualtouch Kernel (DoCoMo) After-Effects:.

Hello everyone! As I am very gratefull for all the progress done by the xda-members to improve our devices I would also like to point out some weird after-effects that have appeared on my phone as of lately.
The starting point of those effects' appearance would be my flashing the DoCoMo Kernel to my device so as to add Dualtouch functionality though this might not be the case.
Anyways , I've been running 2.0.2.A.0.24 Firmware with Dualtouch Kernel as I mentioned before and I've had the following problems.
When turning Data Traffic [ON] and Network Mode set to: GSM/WCDMA Preferred , I notice that when I'm on a call I don't have any internet coverage (usually I get a 3G or an H but they dissapear as soon as I call someone and he/she answers the call - aka call is established.)
Also (similar case) when I'm on Network Mode: GSM/WCDMA all Messaging applications (tried Default , Handcent , chomp , GoSMS) will fail sending my text message (1 out of 2 times) and also fail for sure if it's more than 1 text message (aka 2-3 text messages together - sometimes I type a lot! ).
Battery consumption is off the hook , I've checked my device again and again for nasty applications , done all the necessary changes to save battery (even dropped brightness to lowest) , calibrated my battery, don't use any kind of Livepaper , checked with spare parts for applications that won't let my phone sleep ... nothing! Everything is clean & clear but still can't get more than a day of battery life with moderate usage.
That's all for now. I'd like to know if other users are experiencing the same problems. For statements 1 & 2 I'd also like to add that my carrier is VodafoneGR if that plays any part in the matter. More about my device on my signature!
Regards,
mr_element.

Your point #1 used to happen to me since the day I bought my Phone, i.e on 1.6 as well

My battery does seem to last far less than before the multitouch kernel.
I used to be able to charge it once a day with 15-25% left, but now it is barely making it to the evening.

AFAIK point #1 is a limitation of GSM - you can't use voice & data in the same time.
Moreover - during intensive use of mobile internet you can miss calls (calling party gets "unreachable" message) and incoming SMS can be delayed.

I don't notice a change in the battery life, still good.
It holds from morning till evening, like before and mostly I have more than 15% of battery left sometimes more than 30%, belongs to how I use it.

"Battery consumption is off the hook , I've checked my device again and again for nasty applications , done all the necessary changes to save battery (even dropped brightness to lowest) , calibrated my battery, don't use any kind of Livepaper , checked with spare parts for applications that won't let my phone sleep ... nothing! Everything is clean & clear but still can't get more than a day of battery life with moderate usage"
I too had this issue and over 85% of battery usage was the screen. I presumed this was due to the dualtouch driver. I tried everything you done also but was still only getting about 4 hrs batterylife
I'm really surprised at the individuals who are not experiencing this issue. I had to remove the driver but on a more positive note I discovered the ROM SE should have made and now experience 56 hrs on moderate usage
Though even this rom with dual touch added drops to around 7 hrs
Very confusing for my limited brain

My battery life sucks too

My battery is significantly better since the firmware upgrade... and I haven't noticed it getting worse in the couple of days since I flashed dual touch. I'm at the end of my working day with 47% remaining and quite heavy use (work's slow at the moment). I'd have been down to 20% at least with the previous firmware.
I've quite often had 'failed to send' problems though, since 1.6.
sent from my rooted 2.0.A.2.04 X10i (+JIT+DT) using XDA App

Karlson2k said:
AFAIK point #1 is a limitation of GSM - you can't use voice & data in the same time.
Moreover - during intensive use of mobile internet you can miss calls (calling party gets "unreachable" message) and incoming SMS can be delayed.
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im able to use data and make calls still after i added dual touch. no problems here. was able to browse the web and call stayed on the whole time

Oh, and that's 55% display too, 15% cell standby.
sent from my rooted 2.0.A.2.04 X10i (+JIT+DT) using XDA App

2G mode does not support simultaneous use of voice/sms and data.
To use voice/sms and data simultaneously u need to be on a 3G network..

isiyou125 said:
im able to use data and make calls still after i added dual touch. no problems here. was able to browse the web and call stayed on the whole time
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Are you able to browse web and be on call or receive calls?
And I mean intensive mobile internet usage when you are using near 100% of bandwidth (it's hardly reachable with just web browsing, especially with 3G).

yes. able to check my banks. email. search google, watch youtube. my network allows that if youre on 3g. while i am on a actually phone call

Karlson2k said:
Are you able to browse web and be on call or receive calls?
And I mean intensive mobile internet usage when you are using near 100% of bandwidth (it's hardly reachable with just web browsing, especially with 3G).
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I was able to do everything on 2.3 , 2.2, 2.1 and MiUI
Still running 2.3 without problems
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javagreen said:
Your point #1 used to happen to me since the day I bought my Phone, i.e on 1.6 as well
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Never had that kind of issues , not in 1.6 nor in 2.1 up to .504 ... after that it gets kind of blury because I applied a heck of mods.
Karlson2k said:
AFAIK point #1 is a limitation of GSM - you can't use voice & data in the same time.
Moreover - during intensive use of mobile internet you can miss calls (calling party gets "unreachable" message) and incoming SMS can be delayed.
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No mean of questioning your knowledge but is this natural? I mean what I knew is that you chose GSM to be able to make simple calls and have speeds of simple "G" , you chose WCDMA to be able to have the maximum connectivity (HSUPA) but no calls and you chose GSM/WCDMA Preferred so that you can have calls plus some connectivity that varies in a range from G to 3G. At least that's how it's been for me for a long time...
BackOrLay said:
Though even this rom with dual touch added drops to around 7 hrs
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I'm possitive that the new driver is sucking up the battery. But as I'm not a developer and my knowledge is limited I can't be 100% sure of it.
curious_yellow_eyes said:
I've quite often had 'failed to send' problems though, since 1.6.
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That's not natural , you should've checked it out right away.
cvchetan said:
2G mode does not support simultaneous use of voice/sms and data.
To use voice/sms and data simultaneously u need to be on a 3G network..
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I'm mostly on 3G and above (99% of the time I'm actually on H(SUPA) ).
Still whenever call is established internet connectivity completely disappears. This didn't happen to me with firmware version:
.504
i'm not so sure about (can't remember clearly):
.024
now on:
.024 + DT kernel it happens for sure!

I haven't noticed the data issues, but I'm usually only on wifi...
I have to agree though, my battery seems to be having a harder time making it through a day after flashing the DT kernal.
It would be cool if there was a way to improve the battery consumption.

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That's not natural , you should've checked it out right away.
I'm mostly on 3G and above (99% of the time I'm actually on H(SUPA) ).
Still whenever call is established internet connectivity completely disappears. This didn't happen to me with firmware version:
.504
i'm not so sure about (can't remember clearly):
.024
now on:
.024 + DT kernel it happens for sure!
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If I copy the text I was going to send into a new message, it works. Same with forwarding.
I must say btw that if anything my battery seems to be lasting better in the last few days since I applied the dual touch kernel...
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#2 ive big Problems with sending SMS which are longer than 160 characters! I have this since the 2.1 Update! Im now on z´s2.2beta3 Rom and have the same Problems! The Problems are with stock sms app, handcent, chomp, ... or whatever! It always sasy "failed", sometimes not, but the sms dont arrive my contact! Im very confused

I'm not having any problem with the DT kernet and my battery is working as usual:
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Mr_Element said:
No mean of questioning your knowledge but is this natural? I mean what I knew is that you chose GSM to be able to make simple calls and have speeds of simple "G" , you chose WCDMA to be able to have the maximum connectivity (HSUPA) but no calls and you chose GSM/WCDMA Preferred so that you can have calls plus some connectivity that varies in a range from G to 3G. At least that's how it's been for me for a long time...
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I can confidently say:
* in GSM mode (GPRS, EDGE) you can't use internet while you on call
* in pure WCDMA mode you can easily make phone calls
* when you set GSM/WCDMA mode, your phone can't use GSM and WCDMA channels in the same time, instead it dynamically switches between GSM and WCDMA (both for voice and data) depending on conditions.
So if connection indicator show "G" - that's means you on GPRS (GSM) channel, "E" - "high speed" GPRS (GSM) channel and only "3G" or "H" mean that you are actually using 3G connection.

GSM signal dropping and then disappearing?

I have had my HD2 since March 2011. It is unlocked, HSPL 2.08 and radio 2.15.50.14. Apart from the known issues with the Phone Canvas with later WM6.5 builds it has been fine. I have been cooking ROMs since my Wizard and then the Blackstone so I am reasonably experienced. I currently have my own custom build installed based on 5.2.23568.
For about a week now it seems to have developed a fault in that the GSM signal just drops off and then goes 'searching'. If I soft-reset the phone it will usually come back and then start to drop off again. If I disable the GSM radio and then re-enable it sometimes it won't enable immediately and might take three goes at the slider going green and then it asking for my PIN.
I have hard-reset, installed various different radios and recently re-flashed but the issue remains. I have also taken the case off the phone and ensured the 'touch' connecters are making contact with the antenna in the case housing. I ahave also reflashed te stock ROM and still the issue remains.
I have now reverted back to my Blackstone as it has become intolerable.
At the moment I have the Blackstone and the HD2 sat next to each other (both with Vodafone SIM cards installed) and the Blackstone has all 4-bars displayed and the HD2 has the 'Martini glass' searching symbol displayed.
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Its an eBay purchase but is more or less immaculate - it isn't something I can get my carrier to repair if it is a hardware fault.....
Any ideas

First (not trying to be rude) have you swopped sim cards to ensure its not a sim issue?
Next (I read on you trying different roms) task 29 and reinstall a stock win mo rom, its been known that on occasions failures are resolved by doing this, if it works they put your rom back on.
sadly thats the best I can offer

Like above check sim card fully & network for issues.
I had a very similar issue on my old Touch Pro, signal would go weak & sometimes overnight would loose conection & I would need to toggle flight mode & then all would be ok.
I started think that was likely hardware after calling network & tech support was convinced my device, well turned out was network prob & only linked to that one sim & how it registered to tower !
So check it out well.
Also you could try padding the back of the sim with some tape in case it is a sim contact issue ... & perhaps flash a stock ROM from SD so everwrite HSPL,Radio & also rilphone.dll will all be paired as should be !
All long shots but not much else left ... Good luck ...

I have similar problem. The phone has weak signal and it looses signal on weaker spots where other phones have full signal.
I have HD2 from US and I am in Europe. Maybe I should put some Europe RAdio?
Also sound is very low.

hrga said:
I have similar problem. The phone has weak signal and it looses signal on weaker spots where other phones have full signal.
I have HD2 from US and I am in Europe. Maybe I should put some Europe RAdio?
Also sound is very low.
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Take CARE when flashing radios as non compatible versions on a US T-Mobile HD2 could result in HD2 paperweight.
My HD2 seems on par with other devices I have compared it for reception strength & I use it in some weak areas without issues.
Have seen a few posts on weak reception so it is either a particular SPL Radio & ROM combo is to blame or hardware issue if unlucky ...

Thanks for the replies it's much appreciated.
Firstly I have swapped SIM cards around (Vodafone Contract SIM & Vodafone Pay&Go SIM) and the fault follows the HD2. I think it has to be hardware or somthing 'unique' with my IMEI number and it registering?
It seems bizzare as I can sit here and watch the signal bars gradually drop off and then it go to 'searching' whilst the Blackstone just sits there happily with 3-bars and never budges.
I am unsure how to approach Vodafone about it as its my own phone (not supplied on a contract) and I think they would be able to give me some technical information as to what's happening with the registrations.
Andy

ADB100 said:
Thanks for the replies it's much appreciated.
Firstly I have swapped SIM cards around (Vodafone Contract SIM & Vodafone Pay&Go SIM) and the fault follows the HD2. I think it has to be hardware or somthing 'unique' with my IMEI number and it registering?
It seems bizzare as I can sit here and watch the signal bars gradually drop off and then it goe to 'searching' whilst the Blackstone just sits there happily with 3-bars and never budges.
I am unsure how to approach Vodafone about it as its my own phone (not supplied on a contract) and I think they would be able to give me some technical information as to what's happening with the registrations.
Andy
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I would recommend try other network sims or a foreign sim & you can then connect to various networks (roaming) & test signal reception.
That is how I got evidence that it was my network (DTAC) at fault, luckily my network main Office is near my work office so I turned up & pushed the issue until they produced a technical individual with the required knowledge & gumption to help resolve the issue.
The Phone Techies are useless unless you get lucky & we are talking national lottery lucky here.
Chances of hardware are quite high too as a few threads along same issue as yours are around on HD2 reception.

It gets more bizzare - Since the Leo is just better than the Blackstone I decided to take both with me and keep the Blackstone as 'fallback'. Tuesday & Wednesday I worked in Hull and the Leo worked just fine. Went out to the pub last night and the Leo just wouldn't register. Over a period of about 15-minutes I tried soft resetting, taking the battery out etc but nothing. I gave up and left the phone on the bar whilst I was talking to someone and then 5-minutes later I get a text - check the phone and its got 3-bars of signal? I sent a text reply and then the phone seemed to be OK.
Today the phone has been in the same position at home where I took the photo above and its not lost connection all day (so far).
I don't know what to think but I still believe it isn't fixed....
Andy

Mesh cell phone network = Walkie Talkie

Good day every one
Really long time ago I had an idea! But few other people had the same idea Other projects use WIFI for a connection but I am talking about actual cellular network (GSM).
The idea is: add a feature to an open source cell phone to be able to make calls without a network provider. The design will look like a computer mesh network.
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Think of every cellphone like a Cisco network router with dynamic routing enabled.
Each phone will be aware of the presence of other phones and will have route table to every single one. There is no centralized server sort of like peer to peer.
When a user wants to make a call, then the cellphone will display the devices that are online and can be reached.
Look at the picture above and notice that there are more than one route to each device. Having many phones like that will increase the coverage!
Now does anyone know how to implement a such thing?
Maybe use android phones? Since OS is open source maybe it is possible to add this into it?
What do you think?
Reading materials:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/technology/mesh/7.0/design/guide/MeshAP_70.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking
http://www.opencellphone.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
http://ipod-iphone.blogspot.com/2008/07/neo-freerunner.html
http://www.physorg.com/news198298057.html
http://www.servalproject.org/
http://bigthink.com/ideas/26480
http://www.freekorea.us/2011/02/20/...y-to-bring-cell-phone-service-to-north-korea/
http://www.psfk.com/2010/07/cell_phone_network_that_doesnt_need_towers.html

I dont think its practically feasible..
And moreover You cant use Service Provider's cellular network just like that ( and that also free)

man u realy want to learn how cdma, gsm,edge,2-4.5 g networkz work. and whatz a mobile handset realy do when its connected to a network.
send from my hd2 @ dorimanx v.3.0.0.rom,with 2way rec kernal.

I think Serval Mesh is what you want
EDIT : oups, already in your list...
amritpal2489 said:
You cant use Service Provider's cellular network just like that ( and that also free)
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The idea here is to create an independant cellular network, using only the GSM equipment of phones, without using the service provider network.

sounds like a great idea, i would want something like this for sure. but the only down side is that you could only make a call for as far as the network broad casts which means in a small town it would really suck.

Nice idea but very costly.
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That's an interesting concept, but from what I understand, to make a call without an operator, both phones will have to be connected to the mesh network, right?
That situation would be rather rare, it's like making a video call between two iPod touch (that don't have a cellular network). If the other side is not connected to WiFi at the moment, the call won't go through.
Also something to think about is the battery life. If other people's calls would be routed through your phone all the time, it would drain the battery very fast.

The unfortunate bit to this idea is that, barring hardware,privacy, and feasibility constraints...If you implemented such a network, there would be no guarantee that you would be within the bounds of the network at any time. With current providers, there are rough estimates as to the coverage area that are fairly accurate, depending on exact conditions.
With this system, if a couple people in your neighborhood leave the town or country, suddenly, you have no service, or slow service.
It'd just fluctuate too much and wouldn't be reliable.

Phones hardware and closed-source software isn't designed to ad-hoc networking. IMO the closest available solution for that is this:
http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/

It is definitely an interesting idea, sorta makes me thing of "Ad-Hoc Networking for Phones". The only problem is, the phones would be limited to calls in their "network", so if you had 3 people in a desert, they could call each-other, but would be otherwise sunk
The problem though lies in that it would basically use your phone to power everyone else's phone service, and that would mean that your precious phone would be crunching data all day long, and eating batteries like they are going out of style (Not that it doesn't already).
So while in-theory you could get cellphones to all link up in a row and make a cell-to-cell network, latency would increase exponentially the more phones you have to "hop", and battery life would decrease.
Good thinking, but you would be better off starting your own cell network, and not charge outrageous prices. I am sure that we would all be happy to switch if you had good coverage and reasonable service

Nice idea hoping network providers would agree to implement such network feature.
But on the other side, it's far way impossible. For sure network providers would not allow that because it's some sort of a hacking over there frequency.
Not like Walkie-Talkies or CB Radios (Civilian Band Radios) where they operate at there own frequency with there own cell site for CB Radios.
I think the only way to make it possible is to hack the phones frequency and make it adjustable and add a unique ID for each phone. i.e. just like how the SIM Cards work. Once the frequency is hacked, then it is possible to control the transmitter.
Anyway, this is just my own IDEA, correct me if im wrong.

Nice idea,
How about openBTS ..? openbts,sourceforge,net
what different..?

I really have been thinking anout the same thing.somehow its gonna crack.

neat idea. although i agree with above posts,
battery would be an issue.
what if someones phone dies?
also, i see privacy being an issue. sure you could encrypt the call or text, but you would have direct access to every device in between point a and b. what would stop some smart guy from finding a way to invade your device. or write some malware that would run across the mesh. maybe i don't understand mesh networks well but it seems like a concern that would be valid.
biggest issue i can see is reliability. there are way to many variables for this to work out of heavily populated areas.
some kind of closed demonstration would be cool though

The problem with this is the modem/radio firmware is closed. It would be totally possible if we can get proper source for the modem/radio for each targeted device.

The battery drain would be tremendous. however this may be implemented in the form of an app or a function in android which can be switched off when not needed. This would also address the network congestion issues in crowded places. The more handsets the better.

It's an interesting idea, but has limits
If we thought about creating a new phone for this new network so that we weren't restricted by current cellular standards or architecture, it could be a good idea. The number of clients that the network could support via RF would be limited, however, because of the amount of signalling necessary between peers in a P2P environment and the fact that RF is broadcast, not point-to-point. Therefore, in order for peers to be able to hear each other over a reasonable distance, there would need to be a limit on the density of the mesh's population. In the current cellular topology, this limit is quite high because each handset only needs to communicate with one tower at any one time. In a mesh topology, each handset would have to communicate with a bunch of others in order to maintain the mesh and do the work of moving data through it.
So, this sort of topology is well-suited for low-density environments, but not so low-density that a handset can't communicate with at least a couple of other handsets. Also, at least one of the handsets would need to be able to communicate with a base station so that the whole mesh has access to the global comms network.

It's possible.. but impractical in a few cases.
I could understand in a densely populated city.
But what would the effects have on the radio usage?
"there by also the effects on battery life"

You'll find a nice video introduction into creating your own GSM network when Googling "CCC gsm network" and look at the 3rd link (I'm not allowed to post outside links). This should allow you to understand some of the GSM related technical terms on the OpenBSC page. I'm not sure if the guys from the video are the same people running OpenBSC.
I think that VoIP would be more interesting for you. Since it's really easy (NAT-ing can be nasty if you use multiple clients) to implement and you can use it over WiFi (generally internet).
So you could install a VoIP server at home accepting phone calls and forward the calls first to your mobile phone via WiFi when the phone is connected to your WiFi, otherwise the call can be forwarded via WiFi. You should even be able to use your VoIP Server at home to forward a call from your mobile phone over the internet to another phone number.

I think this is one of those pie in the sky ideas. While it sounds great there are some huge challenges. First and foremost the radio in your cell phone is locked down and you don't have the access that you need to be able to do that. The second issue is security. Routing voice would be fine but routing data, you pretty much have the worlds easiest man in the middle attack. The third issue is spectrum. Cell phones use RF spectrum that is bought and paid for, as in we can't use it otherwise the FCC could fine us lots and lots of cash money. And like others have said battery life would be awful.
I think there is a potential solution here though. Purpose built hardware. I know that some of the Ham bands are pretty close to the cell phone bands (close enough to work with cell phones). We could design a piece of hardware to act as a tower and we could start our own network. Using the internet as a backbone.