Tytn vs AT&T 8525 - 8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General

I just purchased a HTC Tytn (unbranded). I have so many questions and can't seem to find the answers. First, does anyone know a program that will update the clock with the network without doing the At&t rom update. Second, Will it hurt to do the at&t update to my phone or will I loose the voicedial function and 2nd video cam ect. Is the ms voicedial ver 1.6 worth it. So many more I'll make another thread later. By the way thanks for the forum. You all are great and I hope to learn alot.

I am on cing/att and using an unbranded tytn... i have also flashed the official att rom on it (yes, its wm5, but i needed PTT)... anyway, smartdial is there, but you will lose video calling (which att dont support anyway) but the fron cam will still function, i used atek software's cool camera to prove the drivers were still on the phone and working.. and i dont use MS VC 1.6 so i cant answer that one...

Tytn vs 8525
Shogun, Thanks for the info. I don't need the PTT. I do like the auto update feature for the clock using the network though. So far I like the phone, (I'm just starting to get used to it. Can you remap the PTT. I will start doing a lot of international flying soon and needed the unbranded phone. Does the At&t service determine the video or can 2 people with a tytn and a 3g signal just start video calling? So many questions!

Chansen760 said:
Shogun, Thanks for the info. I don't need the PTT. I do like the auto update feature for the clock using the network though. So far I like the phone, (I'm just starting to get used to it. Can you remap the PTT. I will start doing a lot of international flying soon and needed the unbranded phone. Does the At&t service determine the video or can 2 people with a tytn and a 3g signal just start video calling? So many questions!
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Not sure about the auto-update feature and working on other roms... but they should support it..
The PTT can be remapped, use a different rom, or search for sleuth's PTT fix.
The video calling is dependant on the dialer on the phone (in the rom, or installable otherwise), it requires a certain dpadmenu.dll in order to work, but if your ATT its not going to work anyway.. it is provider dependant.. and 3G dependant

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VOIP working on Herald w/ WM6??

Anybody get VOIP working on the WM6 Herald yet? I've read the entire thread over on the Hermes forum and installed both WM6VoiP.CAB and SipConfig on my Wing. I've gotten the internet connection on Today and have been able to try and dial out but no ring just 15 seconds of silence. I uninstalled and installed VM VI Black VOIP & Config.Cab with the same outcome.
I got it to work, but it worked like Crap. Never messed with it much since . . .
haven't you heard?
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T-Mobile Marries Wi-Fi to Cell Phones
Yep, heard about that. I've only got it working with Fring which blew. Hopefully the "legal" version from t-mobile will be good. Since I pay for their service anyway.
Woops.. Looks like [email protected] may not work. Only for UMA phones which Herald isn't or so they so.
Isn't UMA (the actual handling of switching calls from WiFi to GSM) all in the software. So shouldn't they be able to come out with an update that will allow the wing to work on [email protected]? Is this possible or is there some hardware required that I don't know about to run UMA?
It's software, but not in the "just install and go" sense. The switching is handled at a low level in the radio to keep it seamless. Unless you have access to the sources it's not going to be easy to hack the GSM stack to support UMA.
gamescan said:
It's software, but not in the "just install and go" sense. The switching is handled at a low level in the radio to keep it seamless. Unless you have access to the sources it's not going to be easy to hack the GSM stack to support UMA.
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That's what i was thinking, it would likely be a full update to the phone, sorta like when I updated my Dash from WM5 to WM6
Check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315654 for a FULL review of Fring.

New ROM for Mogul?

Anyoen else having problems with ROM 2.09.651.3 radio: 1.32.00 with Sprint? When I use .NET applications like ConnectWise and open the keypad, it types in symobols and is a known issue with, HTC, Sprint, ConnectWise.
I called Connectwise and they have their patch ready, but are awaiting the ROM upgrade from Sprint to test. I called Sprint and the awesome TS lady told me that you never have been able to upgrade ROM on any phone... ever... I promptly hung up on her and called HTC. They said they Sprint develops the firmware and HTC has already "given" it to them. Contacted Sprint again, and they said it was a known issue with the phoen, but have no clue when the ROM will be updated....
I know you all have better connections then I do, obviously if I am calling TS for Sprint, and was wondering if anyone knew when the enxt version of Firmware is comming out. I could care less about the GPS, I do care about EVDO Rev-A and various other fixes.
This is a huge problem... anyone else having these issues with .NET programs on their Sprint Mogul?
check out the Hard-SPL thread in this forum. then you can load an alltel rom and i can confirm that the .net 2.0 keyboard problem is fixed. Also, the radio version in that rom is 1.40. If you have any problems you can always go back to the sprint rom so give that a shot.
ImCoKeMaN said:
check out the Hard-SPL thread in this forum. then you can load an alltel rom and i can confirm that the .net 2.0 keyboard problem is fixed. Also, the radio version in that rom is 1.40. If you have any problems you can always go back to the sprint rom so give that a shot.
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Have you tried the alltel rom yet? Im curious as to whats different from a sprint rom (besides the sprint junk) because I hear it has working (better) pic messaging and a few other updates compared to sprints current one...
There is a thread on ppcgeeks where they compare the two. dcd posted a pretty long write up in one of them.
I have read quite a few threads over at ppcgeeks, and it still didn't help me out. What are the downfalls of the Alltel ROM? Does it in fact work with picture/video mail, what are the downsides of the Alltel ROM? If I have a problem with the phone, how do I get support or CAN I get support with that ROM?
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pjdaley said:
I have read quite a few threads over at ppcgeeks, and it still didn't help me out. What are the downfalls of the Alltel ROM? Does it in fact work with picture/video mail, what are the downsides of the Alltel ROM? If I have a problem with the phone, how do I get support or CAN I get support with that ROM?
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As far as I've read so far, people seem to like the Alltel ROM better and prefer it over the Sprint one. It is a newer version OS than the one currently on the Mogul so it's probably a little better. I've been told that MMS does work in the Alltel ROM with a reg tweak for it to work with your carrier. As far as support, what do you mean support? Do you mean from Sprint? I wouldn't take your phone in to Sprint for repair/replacement with an Alltel ROM loaded on it. I don't think that would fly too well. No worries though, if you need to get support for you phone, you can always flash back to an OEM ROM.
Hope that helps!
Any word if it fixes sprints bluetooth fiasco?

Which Radio ROM for UK T-Mobile MDA Vario II?

Hi all, apologies for posting this, as there I know there's tons of other threads relating to this matter - I've spent quite some time reading (and being confused!) by them, but I can't seem to find a thread which a) has someone describing the exact problem I have, or b) giving a definitive solution. So here it is:
I have a UK MDA Vario II. It's my second one (replaced under warranty), this, and my first one both had a problem where I would seemingly randomly not receive calls or texts. The phone shows it has a signal, and the green light would be flashing to indicate service. However, on occasions, if you try to ring the phone, it diverts straight to voicemail. Sometimes service resumes normally (about an hour later) and I get a message informing me of my missed calls, and sometimes I have to do a soft reset to get it working again.
What I have gathered from reading on these forums is that I may need to upgrade my radio - it had version 1.05.02.00 on it (which it must have been shipped with).
So - following instructions, I put HardSPL 2.10 on to the device, then flashed the Radio ROM to version 1.47.30.10, deciding that this looked the safest bet based on the feedback of other people on the Forum. Having done this (last night) I decided to test the phone once per hour today by just calling it, and I only got to the second test before it failed again - showing signal and green light flashing - but calls going straight to voicemail.
So - I don't want to do any damage to the phone - but I need to know that when someone's calling me, it's going to ring (we're moving house soon, so I'm relying on certain calls from solicitors, bank etc etc). Can anyone tell me of a reliable Radio ROM version for an MDA Vario II on T-Mobile UK? (which won't introduce further problems!)
THANKS!!
broudie said:
Hi all, apologies for posting this, as there I know there's tons of other threads relating to this matter - I've spent quite some time reading (and being confused!) by them, but I can't seem to find a thread which a) has someone describing the exact problem I have, or b) giving a definitive solution. So here it is:
I have a UK MDA Vario II. It's my second one (replaced under warranty), this, and my first one both had a problem where I would seemingly randomly not receive calls or texts. The phone shows it has a signal, and the green light would be flashing to indicate service. However, on occasions, if you try to ring the phone, it diverts straight to voicemail. Sometimes service resumes normally (about an hour later) and I get a message informing me of my missed calls, and sometimes I have to do a soft reset to get it working again.
What I have gathered from reading on these forums is that I may need to upgrade my radio - it had version 1.05.02.00 on it (which it must have been shipped with).
So - following instructions, I put HardSPL 2.10 on to the device, then flashed the Radio ROM to version 1.47.30.10, deciding that this looked the safest bet based on the feedback of other people on the Forum. Having done this (last night) I decided to test the phone once per hour today by just calling it, and I only got to the second test before it failed again - showing signal and green light flashing - but calls going straight to voicemail.
So - I don't want to do any damage to the phone - but I need to know that when someone's calling me, it's going to ring (we're moving house soon, so I'm relying on certain calls from solicitors, bank etc etc). Can anyone tell me of a reliable Radio ROM version for an MDA Vario II on T-Mobile UK? (which won't introduce further problems!)
THANKS!!
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Ive never had any problems with calls not connecting, the only times it has failed is due to poor reception and ofcourse network busy errors.
I wouldnt worry about the radio version it sounds like a network issue. Have enabled 3G on it??
mrvanx said:
Ive never had any problems with calls not connecting, the only times it has failed is due to poor reception and ofcourse network busy errors.
I wouldnt worry about the radio version it sounds like a network issue. Have enabled 3G on it??
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I have (and thanks btw - it was your guides that I followed attempting the flash last night). The thing is, a good friend of mine has the same phone, in the same area - and he doesn't get these issues. My other half is also on T-Mobile, but uses a Sony Ericsson and doesn't have any problems with coverage. I'm in a city centre right now, and my house isn't far out - we both have decent reception there.
In fact - an interesting thing just happened (literally..) - I have my phone on a charging cradle, and it had been dormant for a while, so the screen was off. It woke up, as if about to receive a call or text, but then nothing happened... so I called myself from my office phone - and it connected ok.
About 5 minutes later my girlfriend called me up on the mobile, and I mentioned the issue was still there - and she said 'yeah, i tried to call you about 5 minutes ago'.... so it's like the call was received (i.e. the phone new about it), but it didn't complete the process.
I had thought a new radio version might help (from my very limited understanding of such matters) - are you saying that's not the case?
Does 3G affect this too? What can I do - I use the internet more than anything else on my phone....
Thanks
does anyone have any further advice on this?
Mr Vanx? Anyone??
My phone is still randomly losing signal - generally not accepting incoming calls (though today it was not accepting calls, whilst I was still able to make them...). I think I may go and get it replaced by T-Mobile - but I have upgraded the radio to 1.47.30.10, and have put HardSPL 2.10 onto it.
I guess I need to downgrade to original versions, but I can't seem to find a guide which tells me if what I want to do is OK (and how...).
Please - can anyone assist - I believe my original radio rom was 1.05.05.00, and the SPL version was 1.01.
I'm using 1.54.30.10 and it's fine. I found 1.54.00.10 pretty good as well. Much fewer dropped calls comparing to any 1.4x RadioROMs. Signal strenght is also better. The only thing I cannot comment on is the battery life, as I charge the phone every night whether it's 90% or 10%.
mean-machine said:
I'm using 1.54.30.10 and it's fine. I found 1.54.00.10 pretty good as well. Much fewer dropped calls comparing to any 1.4x RadioROMs. Signal strenght is also better. The only thing I cannot comment on is the battery life, as I charge the phone every night whether it's 90% or 10%.
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did you have the same problems as me? - phone appearing to have a signal but calls being diverted to voicemail... seemingly randomly...
Use GSM mode as default
I have the exact same problem (I travel between Birmingham and London mainly) on my Vario II. It is really fustrating and my wife seems to think I dont answer her calls/txts on purpose(!)
On mine, the problem is due to the 3G mode - when I turn OFF 3G and use normal GSM the problem goes away. I get all calls/txt and internet connections sucessfully. When I turn on 3G the problem comes back - lost calls and unsucessfull internet connections. When in 3G mode sometimes it works somtimes it doesnt
Someone mentioned it could be that it is not switching between 3G and GSM automatically when no 3G is available. However, it happens even when in a good strong 3G area.
I swear this problem did not happen in the early part of my contract but only recently. One theory is that TMobile has sold so many 3G devices now both monthly and pay-as-you-go (esp 3G Data Modems with users using the network for their laptops) that the TMobile cells are just getting overloaded. Also, it could be that TMobile are also doing an upgrade of the 3G network and it is causing problems for users.
So what I do is run the phone in GSM mode as default (so no missed calls/txt and use Opera Mini for quick web surfing works well in GSM mode) Then switch on 3G mode if I am going to do any web surfing for more then 5 mins.
The added side benefit is also much much better battery life in GSM mode (3G soaks up the juice very quickly). I never use video calls ect so no loss there.
My Comm Manager has a toggle for 3G/GSM mode so I use that to quickly change between the 2 modes.
In Summary I would rather have a reliable phone for recieving/making calls then one which is hit and miss.
btw, Im now due an upgrade - wondering if I should stay with TMobile or not...
We appear to have the same phone 'lives'!
kismat1970 said:
I have the exact same problem (I travel between Birmingham and London mainly) on my Vario II. It is really fustrating and my wife seems to think I dont answer her calls/txts on purpose(!)
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Same here - we're in the middle of selling 2 properties and buying another one, so I could really do with not having the phone playing up.
kismat1970 said:
On mine, the problem is due to the 3G mode - when I turn OFF 3G and use normal GSM the problem goes away. I get all calls/txt and internet connections sucessfully. When I turn on 3G the problem comes back - lost calls and unsucessfull internet connections. When in 3G mode sometimes it works somtimes it doesnt
Someone mentioned it could be that it is not switching between 3G and GSM automatically when no 3G is available. However, it happens even when in a good strong 3G area.
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I've tried this today, and have been testing the phone on an hourly basis - so far so good.
kismat1970 said:
I swear this problem did not happen in the early part of my contract but only recently.
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Spot on - this definitely was not a problem when I signed up (Nov 06).
kismat1970 said:
So what I do is run the phone in GSM mode as default (so no missed calls/txt and use Opera Mini for quick web surfing works well in GSM mode) Then switch on 3G mode if I am going to do any web surfing for more then 5 mins.
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Do you know where I can get a reliable version of Opera Mini?
kismat1970 said:
My Comm Manager has a toggle for 3G/GSM mode so I use that to quickly change between the 2 modes.
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I dont have this option in mine? How can I get it??
kismat1970 said:
In Summary I would rather have a reliable phone for recieving/making calls then one which is hit and miss.
btw, Im now due an upgrade - wondering if I should stay with TMobile or not...
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Ditto - im due for upgrade in March, and had been looking at the Vario iii - but am now wondering if I should be looking at another network? Is this a consistent problem with all 3G devices on T-Mobile - or does it just affect the Vario ii?
broudie said:
Same here - we're in the middle of selling 2 properties and buying another one, so I could really do with not having the phone playing up.
I've tried this today, and have been testing the phone on an hourly basis - so far so good.
Spot on - this definitely was not a problem when I signed up (Nov 06).
Do you know where I can get a reliable version of Opera Mini?
I dont have this option in mine? How can I get it??
Ditto - im due for upgrade in March, and had been looking at the Vario iii - but am now wondering if I should be looking at another network? Is this a consistent problem with all 3G devices on T-Mobile - or does it just affect the Vario ii?
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I signed up in Sep 06 and there was no problem with 3G mode then (problem free for the first 12 months at least).
From your phone internet rowser goto http://mini.opera.com/ and click on Download Opera Mini (this is latest version 4).
Before you do this make sure you have Esmertec Jbed midlet manager installed (Opera Mini is a Java App).
I use Opera Mini 90% of the time and its still renders fast on a GSM connection.
Ive uploaded the CABs for you for the Midlet Manager and Comm Manager.
I dont know if it only affects the VarioII maybe others can comment. If its a network issue then I would expect it affecting other devices also.
I want to go for the HTC Touch Dual (aka MDA Touch Plus on TMobile) as my next phone but may go with Orange if it is a network issue. Only reason I stay with TMobile is for the 'unlimited' web'n walk tarrif..but if I can't use 3G realiably then what is the point?
kismat1970 said:
I signed up in Sep 06 and there was no problem with 3G mode then (problem free for the first 12 months at least).
From your phone internet rowser goto http://mini.opera.com/ and click on Download Opera Mini (this is latest version 4).
Before you do this make sure you have Esmertec Jbed midlet manager installed (Opera Mini is a Java App).
I use Opera Mini 90% of the time and its still renders fast on a GSM connection.
Ive uploaded the CABs for you for the Midlet Manager and Comm Manager.
I dont know if it only affects the VarioII maybe others can comment. If its a network issue then I would expect it affecting other devices also.
I want to go for the HTC Touch Dual (aka MDA Touch Plus on TMobile) as my next phone but may go with Orange if it is a network issue. Only reason I stay with TMobile is for the 'unlimited' web'n walk tarrif..but if I can't use 3G realiably then what is the point?
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Thanks very much for loading this stuff...
my other half is after the touch plus too - but have advised her to do some research before committing to T-Mob again.... though if she gets it and it's ok, i'll post some feedback on here...
Cheers
The Touch Plus is a good phone if you can live without Wifi...Ive read somewhere that this problem is dependant on the area you are in ...in particular the TMobile cell tower servicing the area you are in and it is possible to phone TMobile tech support to get an engineer to investigate and correct the problem. In my case that would be my home address and my work address - maybe worth a try?
Just to add my 2p worth... my radio is 1.05.05.00 (came on the phone, which was a replacement for the first which had the screen drift)... I've had occasional times when the phone's lit up but nothing's happened, but I usually chalk that down to the phone doing an activesync check for push mail, and as there's nothing there, it goes back to sleep.
To my knowledge, I've not really missed any calls or anything like that since way back last year - when sometimes I'd be sitting in the same café as a mate also on T-Mobile, and we'd do the you-call-me-i-call-you thing to get each others' numbers - and it'd go straight to voicemail! That was quite amusing.
Nobody's told me that they've had problems trying to reach me on my mobile though for a fair while now, so I'd almost completely forgotten about this problem!
edit: yay, 500th post! Took a while but got there eventually... Anybody want to sponsor me with a free Kaiser?
broudie said:
Can anyone tell me of a reliable Radio ROM version for an MDA Vario II on T-Mobile UK? (which won't introduce further problems!)
THANKS!!
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Hi, I confess I haven't read the thread in great deal (am in a rush and am just passing through!) but you could try this official T-Mobile UK ROM. It's Windows Mobile6 and Radio 1.50.xxx (as far as I remember). The main thing is that it's official, and includes their latest sanctioned bootloaders etc. I flashed it to mine before taking back for warranty (as it's not possible to go back to the old 1.05 radio from recent unauthorised versions).
T-Mobile UK WM6 complete MDA Vario II ROM:
http://member.htc.com/ruudownload/t-mobile/TMobileWM6Step1-TMuk.aspx
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:O when did that become available? I swore to myself I'd keep an eye on the TM phone downloads site because I knew WM6 was available for some devices, but I completely forgot and since then they've rolled out WM6 for my phone... Which is a proper pain, but at the same time a really nice surprise.
Hard reset your device, install ALL applications on the phone (nothing on the micro SD - except outlook attachments). This should solve the problem.
sahuja said:
Hard reset your device, install ALL applications on the phone (nothing on the micro SD - except outlook attachments). This should solve the problem.
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Why dig up this old thread and answer a question that has probably long since been resolved?
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Why dig up this old thread and answer a question that has probably long since been resolved?
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It's been useful for me. I'm having exactly the same experience on orange with an spv m3100 at the moment. This helps.
Dear,
My trinity (HERM300) test device have the same problem:
No CID, NO RADIo , NO GSM, NO IMEI
This info on my device (when having problems)
HERM300
IPL 1.04
SPL 2.10
plz plz plz any body help me for this ...........
john7992 said:
Dear,
My trinity (HERM300) test device have the same problem:
No CID, NO RADIo , NO GSM, NO IMEI
This info on my device (when having problems)
HERM300
IPL 1.04
SPL 2.10
plz plz plz any body help me for this ...........
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you should check and find its at http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Hermes_ExtractedRadioRoms

HTC Shift got no GPS nor voice calls

Yesterday (30 rd) Paul Ghent from HTC Europe run a conference in Madrid at the Movistar's MovilForum and by the end of the presentation I asked him directly if the HTC Shift could be used to answer a phone call.
Answer... NO WAY.
Due to the size of the Shift they consider not useful the voice over GSM. Anyway the model that will be available in Spain (mid-Feb) will have GSM/GPRS/UMTS/HSDPA for data. So you need to insert a SIM card on it. But NO VOICE.
They mention that the Shift will be delivered in a special price by Movistar... I assume SIM-locked.
Has no GPS and comes with Vista. The information about Shift running WM5 (or WM6) is not true. Maybe the problem is the stand-by mode the Shift has called SnapVUE which is very similar to the Today screens used by HTC in the Touch series PDAs... but is not WM5 as far as HTC said in the Madrid's meeting.
More info... in spanish I must say at www.todoumpc.com
A video with Paul Ghent speech in english will be uploaded in a few days at www.todoumpc.com including my question about the voice capabilities.
i think they are making two versions the first one will come out in march with no voice then later they will have one with voice.
i dont know for sure but what i been told for a while now and posted is that htc were deciding on gps and voice. lately from what i seen they decided to disable both. dont worry though if needed we can mod it to get both back on there. also then we will unhide the full wm6. wow htc is starting to annoy me lately with all the crippling and hidding of features. oh well atleast it gives me something to do
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i dont know for sure but what i been told for a while now and posted is that htc were deciding on gps and voice. lately from what i seen they decided to disable both. dont worry though if needed we can mod it to get both back on there. also then we will unhide the full wm6. wow htc is starting to annoy me lately with all the crippling and hidding of features. oh well atleast it gives me something to do
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im right there with you, it is annoying me too i agree about the voice, that should be somthing that can be fixed
My guess is that since there is Qualcomm chipset inside the Shift and that chipset comes with GPSOne like our Athena the possibility is there. The only question is if they installed an GPS antenna or not. If the chip is there but no antenna even activating the facility the GPS will be unusable.

Got a quick question....

I'm thinking of upgrading from my Diamond Touch to the new Blackstone.
Got a simple question. I like the way I've got my Touch setup. Can I just use my backup on the blackstone since it's running the same OS or do I have to start from scratch?
Thanks.
Mark
PS. Well, two questions.... does the 3G work in the US? I was reading a review that said that 3G for that phone doesn't work in the US. I don't understand, what is different than the 3G we use on the Touch Diamond.
I'm not sure bout about moving stuff over from the diamond, but I'd put my money on no. Although they both use WM and TF3D, the ROMs of the phones are different.
As for 3g, the short answer is also no. However (and there is a plethra of threads on the subject) people are now saying that there is a shot that one of the version of the HD (Telstra) that just came out support the necessary frequency (and that answers your other question as to why the diamond works on 3g but the HD doesn't; because the antenas pick up different frequencies) to possibly work on one of the At&T 3g bands.
However, to summarize, you'll prolly have to add the programs manually to the HD and you're stuck on Edge in the US

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