I crave a TYTN ... which one should I buy? - 8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General

Hello everyone. I need a new cell and have decided to go with a TyTN. Any advice anyone has that will help me decide what to buy from where would be greatly appreciated. Maybe even what NOT to buy or whom to not buy from?
I'm soooo confused ...
Thank you very much in advance!!!

In10se said:
Hello everyone. I've need a new cell and have decided to go with a tytn. Any advice anyone has that will help me decide what to buy from where would be greatly appreciated. Maybe even what NOT to buy or whom to not buy from?
I'm soooo confused ...
Thank you very much in advance!!!
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Have you decided if colour/appearance has any bearing on your selection?

If you don't mind waiting for a bit and are happy to spend the extra money, why not wait for the Kaiser which has more functionality than the TyTn.
If your cravings are so bad you may end up disappointed in a few months when you're stuck with the TyTn and everyone else is upgrading.
Or, you could buy mine and I'll put the money to a Kaiser upgrade for myself

ach2 said:
If you don't mind waiting for a bit and are happy to spend the extra money, why not wait for the Kaiser which has more functionality than the TyTn.
If your cravings are so bad you may end up disappointed in a few months when you're stuck with the TyTn and everyone else is upgrading.
Or, you could buy mine and I'll put the money to a Kaiser upgrade for myself
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Ahhhhhahaha see you know not what you say. I'm about to travel abroad for four months and need one now. I'll wait for the quirks and issues to get resolved in the Kaiser and get my money's worth out of my(your ) tytn. So how much and what have ya done to it?
Lol ... seriously I need one that will run well. I don't care about color, just condition. There are so many on Ebay it gets a little rough to sort them all out.

In10se said:
Ahhhhhahaha see you know not what you say. I'm about to travel abroad for four months and need one now. I'll wait for the quirks and issues to get resolved in the Kaiser and get my money's worth out of my(your ) tytn. So how much and what have ya done to it?
Lol ... seriously I need one that will run well. I don't care about color, just condition. There are so many on Ebay it gets a little rough to sort them all out.
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So where are these broads you are going to travel to see...
Really, you don't care about what your Hermes will look like?
If that's the case (pun intended) just buy the cheapest one and customize
the OS and ExtROM and you're good to go.

AquiEsta! said:
So where are these broads you are going to travel to see...
Really, you don't care about what your Hermes will look like?
If that's the case (pun intended) just buy the cheapest one and customize
the OS and ExtROM and you're good to go.
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I see you like black on your TyTN. I've seen a few of the black cased ones on eBay and they do look good. The darker colored gray ones look good to me. Still. function over color is most important. I'm looking for which model is the best one to buy from a performance perspective.
Is there a for sale section on this forum anywhere?

In10se said:
I see you like black on your TyTN. I've seen a few of the black cased ones on eBay and they do look good. The darker colored gray ones look good to me. Still. function over color is most important. I'm looking for which model is the best one to buy from a performance perspective.
Is there a for sale section on this forum anywhere?
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There doesn't appear to be sale section here (I maybe wrong but I have yet
to come across it if it does in fact exist). You could try over on Howard Forums
but just remember that some of them can be a bit dimwitted (some).
Since I doubt you will need to be in Japan (living) the X01HT if you can find
one unlocked is pretty good. I can't see any issues other than being locked
out by the 0182 bootloader if you didn't get to it first. Plus, it really does
look sweet in black.

AquiEsta! said:
There doesn't appear to be sale section here (I maybe wrong but I have yet
to come across it if it does in fact exist). You could try over on Howard Forums
but just remember that some of them can be a bit dimwitted (some).
Since I doubt you will need to be in Japan (living) the X01HT if you can find
one unlocked is pretty good. I can't see any issues other than being locked
out by the 0182 bootloader if you didn't get to it first. Plus, it really does
look sweet in black.
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Thank you very much for your suggestions and the link. I will give that site a look ...

Lol ... I see what you mean. That site had all kinds of posts with problems, with very little offered up by members. Here it seems to my noob self that there are a ton of posts with people offering rom mods, tweak tips, and just generally making good site contributions.
After looking around here I still like the TyTN best, though I'd really like the integrated GPS.

In10se said:
After looking around here I still like the TyTN best, though I'd really like the integrated GPS.
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I don't think we ever got the gps stuff to work properly on the tytn platform. But these are great phones still.
I've been thinking of selling mine if you are interested.
I bought it in December, its the i-mate JasJam, it has everything the tytn has including the forward facing camera if you can use it, I'm on cingular and they don't support that feature.

flyboy009 said:
I don't think we ever got the gps stuff to work properly on the tytn platform. But these are great phones still.
I've been thinking of selling mine if you are interested.
I bought it in December, its the i-mate JasJam, it has everything the tytn has including the forward facing camera if you can use it, I'm on cingular and they don't support that feature.
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As long as the serial isn't on the list of those that are prone to having screen issues then yes I'd be very interested. I have cash and a paypal account. I like the case and button style of the JasJam if it looks like this one.
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In10se said:
Lol ... I see what you mean. That site had all kinds of posts with problems, with very little offered up by members. Here it seems to my noob self that there are a ton of posts with people offering rom mods, tweak tips, and just generally making good site contributions.
After looking around here I still like the TyTN best, though I'd really like the integrated GPS.
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Yeah, I know what you mean about the GPS. I was looking for a new phone
and at the time the Nokia N95 seemed to be the best for the job but I just
couldn't deal with Symbian and no qwerty KB so I gave up the 5MP camera
and great video playback for the Hermes. Now looking back I am so damn
glad I made this choice.

AquiEsta! said:
Yeah, I know what you mean about the GPS. I was looking for a new phone
and at the time the Nokia N95 seemed to be the best for the job but I just
couldn't deal with Symbian and no qwerty KB so I gave up the 5MP camera
and great video playback for the Hermes. Now looking back I am so damn
glad I made this choice.
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There is a Flame thread that I just read. Again another near miss. No tri-band phone will work for me. Why are they doing that? Is it that hard to just stick to quad-band

In10se said:
There is a Flame thread that I just read. Again another near miss. No tri-band phone will work for me. Why are they doing that? Is it that hard to just stick to quad-band
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Sorry, you lost me there. What happen and how'd we get to tri-band and
quad-band?

In10se said:
As long as the serial isn't on the list of those that are prone to having screen issues then yes I'd be very interested. I have cash and a paypal account. I like the case and button style of the JasJam if it looks like this one.
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That's exactly what mine is, same colors, black with silver. I haven't had to make any corrections to the screen since I've owned it.

AquiEsta! said:
Sorry, you lost me there. What happen and how'd we get to tri-band and
quad-band?
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That new Flame is tri-band. I know that overseas they don't use the 850mhz freq's, but still. Looks like a great unit, but I need a quad-band. Just a tangent that has no bearing on this convo.
Can you give men the run down on your HTC?
$$$
Mod's
Extras
W/E else you think of ...

In10se said:
That new Flame is tri-band. I know that overseas they don't use the 850mhz freq's, but still. Looks like a great unit, but I need a quad-band. Just a tangent that has no bearing on this convo.
Can you give men the run down on your HTC?
$$$
Mod's
Extras
W/E else you think of ...
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Assuming you're asking me... "are you talkin' to me?"
I got my X01HT with a SoftBank contract so I ended up paying less than
$130 for when all's said and done. Out on the street or on the 'net prices
can vary A LOT. Also, 'buyer beware'
Mods and extras can been seen in my sig. Please look below.

If you don't care about looks or colour just but the cheapest.
My vodafone VPA1605 is ugly (but I love her ).
The Jasjam in the pictures above looks pretty good.
The only difference I know of in the function is that the Cingular 8525 doesn't have the front camera (but let's face it, how many people have even tried to use it).
Just be careful on ebay in case someone tries to sell you a phone they already bricked.
Buy and enjoy

ach2 said:
If you don't care about looks or colour just but the cheapest.
My vodafone VPA1605 is ugly (but I love her ).
The Jasjam in the pictures above looks pretty good.
The only difference I know of in the function is that the Cingular 8525 doesn't have the front camera (but let's face it, how many people have even tried to use it).
Just be careful on ebay in case someone tries to sell you a phone they already bricked.
Buy and enjoy
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I'd use the video phone ... also I saw somewhere (here?) that the 8525 is a tri-band. 8525 is absolutely out of contention for me as a choice. Lol and I'll take your advice on the eBay bricks ...
Thanks for your unput ach2 ... much appreciated.

I've got the Imate JasJam and have used a HTC phone, both are 9 months or older.
I preferred the buttons on the front of the HTC as it's easier to press the "Windows" and OK buttons, but it had speaker problems, so my JasJam is performing a little better and I don't use the front buttons as much as the screen & keyboard.
HTH. Oggy.

Related

Dopod U1000 from Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/Dopod-U1000-HTC...ryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Is this legit?
How else can I get a Dopod u1000 here in the US?
Thanks
fpbiii said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dopod-U1000-HTC...ryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Is this legit?
How else can I get a Dopod u1000 here in the US?
Thanks
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Yes that is legit. But I am sorry I wont be buying it. I buy a lot of stuff on ebay and that is well overpriced. If you want it go for it. But hey I find that overpriced.
How low can I get it for and where?
Also, will I have to wait for english ROM?
Many thanks.
fpbiii said:
How low can I get it for and where?
Also, will I have to wait for english ROM?
Many thanks.
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The one on ebay has Operation System : Microsoft Windows Mobile 5.0 for PocketPC Phone (World Wide English).... so that kinda solves your problem of the english ROM. And it solves another of your problems that you havent mentioned. That is the chinese characters on the keyboard. i am sure you wouldnt want that. But it is $1500USD...
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The one being sold here by WU15903 whatever his name is.... err he is selling for $1300USD right? But it has a chinese ROM for now not a big deal because you can overflash it. But there is one problem that the keyboard has chinese characters on it. So it is certainly a option i wouldnt choose. Almost the same price. I guess those are the only two ways to get it for you...
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But if I were you.... I would go onto google. Select preferences and select chinese, japanese, taiwanese and korean languages only. then search for 'buy dopod U1000' and many shops and other places where you can buy it for cheaper. except its all in jebrish so you gotta guess your way through using logic. and maybe you can grab yourself a sweet deal for $1000USD. hmm?
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But if you are a lazy guy and dont want to take the trouble of searching. Just close your eyes and go for the ebay one. Although you will face maybe a $300-$500USD loss. But i guess when you get the phone you wont find any flaws in it and will be very happy regardless of the price. So just go for the ebay one... lemme know what you choose.
nuclear said:
The one on ebay has Operation System : Microsoft Windows Mobile 5.0 for PocketPC Phone (World Wide English).... so that kinda solves your problem of the english ROM. And it solves another of your problems that you havent mentioned. That is the chinese characters on the keyboard. i am sure you wouldnt want that. But it is $1500USD...
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The one being sold here by WU15903 whatever his name is.... err he is selling for $1300USD right? But it has a chinese ROM for now not a big deal because you can overflash it. But there is one problem that the keyboard has chinese characters on it. So it is certainly a option i wouldnt choose. Almost the same price. I guess those are the only two ways to get it for you...
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But if I were you.... I would go onto google. Select preferences and select chinese, japanese, taiwanese and korean languages only. then search for 'buy dopod U1000' and many shops and other places where you can buy it for cheaper. except its all in jebrish so you gotta guess your way through using logic. and maybe you can grab yourself a sweet deal for $1000USD. hmm?
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But if you are a lazy guy and dont want to take the trouble of searching. Just close your eyes and go for the ebay one. Although you will face maybe a $300-$500USD loss. But i guess when you get the phone you wont find any flaws in it and will be very happy regardless of the price. So just go for the ebay one... lemme know what you choose.
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i am pretty there will be extra keyboard you can buy in the future, possibly with number row on top as well
wu5262 said:
i am pretty there will be extra keyboard you can buy in the future, possibly with number row on top as well
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Oh thats nice. How much? That keyboard looks really nice. Maybe another $150?
nuclear said:
Oh thats nice. How much? That keyboard looks really nice. Maybe another $150?
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it's not out yet, but if an extra number row is there, i don't mind spending $150 for it
wu5262 said:
i am pretty there will be extra keyboard you can buy in the future, possibly with number row on top as well
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That's interesting wu. Never thought of how simply that could be done. I'm definitely up for a sturdier keyboard anyway and an extra number row would make life easier.
mackaby007 said:
That's interesting wu. Never thought of how simply that could be done. I'm definitely up for a sturdier keyboard anyway and an extra number row would make life easier.
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Anyways going back to the topic. what have you decided fpbiii? where will you buy the dopod u1000 from?
Still haven't decided.
Believe it or not, the dealbreaker will be if it can fit in my pants pocket and I can handle the discomfort.
Can someone please post a picture of this thing in your pocket or something to help me decide. Once I know, I will buy! I like the one on ebay, but paying 1500 is outrageous. I will wait until it comes down around 1100 or so. I would take either the silver or black one.
mackaby007 said:
That's interesting wu. Never thought of how simply that could be done. I'm definitely up for a sturdier keyboard anyway and an extra number row would make life easier.
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haha, we might see different colour of keyboard as well. Man, this device got so many possibility.
fpbiii said:
Still haven't decided.
Believe it or not, the dealbreaker will be if it can fit in my pants pocket and I can handle the discomfort.
Can someone please post a picture of this thing in your pocket or something to help me decide. Once I know, I will buy! I like the one on ebay, but paying 1500 is outrageous. I will wait until it comes down around 1100 or so. I would take either the silver or black one.
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btw, silver and black is the only two colour you can get as well
fpbiii said:
Still haven't decided.
Believe it or not, the dealbreaker will be if it can fit in my pants pocket and I can handle the discomfort.
Can someone please post a picture of this thing in your pocket or something to help me decide. Once I know, I will buy! I like the one on ebay, but paying 1500 is outrageous. I will wait until it comes down around 1100 or so. I would take either the silver or black one.
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Ok if you want the black one order it from 972telecom.com. thats where i have also placed my pre-order. Its around $1000CDN on pre-order. Much cheaper than the dopod u1000 and much better. Let me know what you decide. You will have to pay $50-$100 on customs. I agree $1500USD is outrageous. And truly its uncomfortable in the pockets of your trousers. There is a high chance you might damage the screen or keyboard in your pocket. It is like a mini-book in the trouser! very discomforting. I am sure you dont need to see pictures for that
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Let me know what you decide ^^ because i would highly recommend 972telecom.com a store in montreal. Very good store. I will be picking up my black athena from there in april.
nuclear said:
Ok if you want the black one order it from 972telecom.com. thats where i have also placed my pre-order. Its around $1000CDN on pre-order. Much cheaper than the dopod u1000 and much better. Let me know what you decide. You will have to pay $50-$100 on customs. I agree $1500USD is outrageous. And truly its uncomfortable in the pockets of your trousers. There is a high chance you might damage the screen or keyboard in your pocket. It is like a mini-book in the trouser! very discomforting. I am sure you dont need to see pictures for that
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Let me know what you decide ^^ because i would highly recommend 972telecom.com a store in montreal. Very good store. I will be picking up my black athena from there in april.
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so did they say even if the device comes out to be more expensive, they won't charge you more from the pre-order price? if that's the case, then great news. However, when you say it's much better then DOPOD U1000? what do you mean? they are the same? just the colour is different? is that your personal view point again?
wu5262 said:
so did they say even if the device comes out to be more expensive, they won't charge you more from the pre-order price? if that's the case, then great news. However, when you say it's much better then DOPOD U1000? what do you mean? they are the same? just the colour is different? is that your personal view point again?
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Yes all the devices have similar spec's. I just prefer the black one because of the material it uses and I have never possessed a HTC Branded phone before. I dont know how much of your story about dopod is true but they are certainly a huge company like t-mobile. I also like the material HTC used for the body frame part. Anyways the pre-order price is fixed. I can pay it all off now or later. But the price is fixed and i will ask him to send me an invoice/quote to proove it hence.
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Regardless, what i find amazing is that htcphonestore.com still retails Universal for $1100USD and Athena is only $1500USD.... i mean like does that mean that not much has changed from Universal -> Athena? Because I find that Universal is only worth maybe $500 - $600USD.
nuclear said:
Yes all the devices have similar spec's. I just prefer the black one because of the material it uses and I have never possessed a HTC Branded phone before. I dont know how much of your story about dopod is true but they are certainly a huge company like t-mobile. I also like the material HTC used for the body frame part. Anyways the pre-order price is fixed. I can pay it all off now or later. But the price is fixed and i will ask him to send me an invoice/quote to proove it hence.
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actually, the devices have exactly the same spec. btw have you hold an Advantage in your hand? did you go to the 3GSM? just want to know that.
Well, if the pre-order price is fix, then you can send a e-mail to expansys or mobile planet to tell them to remove their listing of Advantage, because they won't get any order if the price elsewhere is so much cheaper.
Also, this is just my PERSONAL though, the website you place pre-order on, it doesn't look very professional for me, any one think the same way?
wu5262 said:
actually, the devices have exactly the same spec. btw have you hold an Advantage in your hand? did you go to the 3GSM? just want to know that.
Well, if the pre-order price is fix, then you can send a e-mail to expansys or mobile planet to tell them to remove their listing of Advantage, because they won't get any order if the price elsewhere is so much cheaper.
Also, this is just my PERSONAL though, the website you place pre-order on, it doesn't look very professional for me, any one think the same way?
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why dont you fly to their store then.. and yes i havent held a Advantage in my hand ever. But just so that why dont you call HTC and ask them what material is the body made of? prolly that will satisfy you?
nuclear said:
why dont you fly to their store then.. and yes i havent held a Advantage in my hand ever. But just so that why dont you call HTC and ask them what material is the body made of? prolly that will satisfy you?
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man, i though you have been following the post before, i was one of the tester of Advantage, i actually hold one in front of me before. I don't need to call them, because there is nothing i can find out. Basically, the only difference between them are the colour, material is down to your personal taste, all i can say is DOPOD (probably Ameo as well) is smoother surface, where Advantage is rougher.
One thing i am sure is you will be flashing DOPOD or Ameo Rom in the future.
p.s. And also, i am not saying the store is fake, i am just saying their website doesn't look very professional.
wu5262 said:
man, i though you have been following the post before, i was one of the tester of Advantage, i actually hold one in front of me before. I don't need to call them, because there is nothing i can find out. Basically, the only difference between them are the colour, material is down to your personal taste, all i can say is DOPOD (probably Ameo as well) is smoother surface, where Advantage is rougher.
One thing i am sure is you will be flashing DOPOD or Ameo Rom in the future.
p.s. And also, i am not saying the store is fake, i am just saying their website doesn't look very professional.
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Thats fine i dont have anything to do with their website. Even if their website was simple text based. I only need the phone. ^^
nuclear said:
Thats fine i dont have anything to do with their website. Even if their website was simple text based. I only need the phone. ^^
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well, if you have place your pre-order, then there is nothing i can say,
although i will suggest any other people who consider buying the Advantage to wait until it's actually in-stock.
If the price is like what nuclear said so much cheaper than the official price, than i am sure all other store will have it as well. Don't rush yourself into this. Better wait and see, maybe you can get a even better deal!
Not much different if you place your pre-order now, you will still get it around the same time.

Samsung i9000 Galaxy S LED Flash Camera Availability

There has been quite a lot of talk on various forums/blogs/etc whether or not the i9000 has or has not an LED Camera Flash.
Seeing as handtec advertise the i9000 by stating it does have an LED Flash I wrote to them yesterday in an attempt to put this away once and for all.
I made it clear their reply must contain written proof to their web site specification claim.
Also I asked on a question of the Video supporting an LED light as this is also mentioned by handtec in the i9000's specification list. See the answer to that as well in the reply.
Their reply is listed below and also came with a .pdf attachment which I am also forwarding on here.
Below was the reply I received from them.
Message Received from handtec ~ Thursday 27th May 2010
Thanks for your email,
We have had this query once already today so it seems to be cause of great debate as you have mentioned, we have been doing our research to ensure you receive the correct information, and in response to this i can confirm the Samsung I9000 does have an LED Flash, however in regards to the video light we cannot confirm this until the device has been released and tested.
I am very sorry i could not answer your question at this current time however as soon as we have the item we will be more than happy to test this out for you, in the meantime the only information we have managed to obtain from our sources is shown on the attached file.
The above information is pretty much the only info we have on this, and very little concrete evidence of the Video LED is available, once we receive stock we will of course validate this and ensure the site is updated accordingly.
Please advise if we can assist you further?
Kind regards.
Customer Service 803
Telephone 0845 644 7727
Web www.handtec.co.uk
Online Live Support Online
GPSK Ltd
64-66 Werrington Business Centre
Papyrus road
Peterborough
PE4 5BH
I wonder what that pdf is? I mean, it looks like a screencap from some site. Do you think that is handtec's distributer?
edit to add: All the places that have review device (gsmarena, for example) don't have a flash, but they also state that they had less RAM than the actual phone (256 vs 512), so maybe Samsung haven't actually finalized the details yet? I mean, they are being very secretive.
Personally, I don't think (given the details we know so far) that the phone has a flash, and so far ONLY handtec have stated that it does. I wish Samsung would release the detailed specifications!
hashfoo said:
I wonder what that pdf is? I mean, it looks like a screencap from some site. Do you think that is handtec's distributer?
edit to add: All the places that have review device (gsmarena, for example) don't have a flash, but they also state that they had less RAM than the actual phone (256 vs 512), so maybe Samsung haven't actually finalized the details yet? I mean, they are being very secretive.
Personally, I don't think (given the details we know so far) that the phone has a flash, and so far ONLY handtec have stated that it does. I wish Samsung would release the detailed specifications!
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I'm with you on this in that I do not believe there will or is an LED Flash.
However, as handtec have published it and sticking to their proof I have to publish it myself.
As to where the written pdf proof came from I am not sure.... It could have come from a Distributer who had initial findings sent by Samsung.
Beards said:
However, as handtec have published it and sticking to their proof I have to publish it myself.
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..and thank you for it!
I personally don't mind to much about the flash, but it would be nice to know for certain what we are buying! I guess it's only a week or two until we all find out for sure.
Galaxy S don´t have LED flash
cryingfreeman83 said:
Galaxy S don´t have LED flash
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And where exactly have you based this short and tepid answer from?
I personally do not believe it will either but unlike your answer I chose to forward a 'debate' on the issue rather than a proclamation.
I mailed back too handtec for checking what their source is in this subject. If they are not lying us right up in the face I think Samsung Galaxy S will get a LED flash...
"Dear Mr Karlander.
This information has been passed to us from Samsung distribution in UK.
The information provided to you in the attachment has been passed direct from Samsung."
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"...The information provided to you in the attachment has been passed direct from Samsung."
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Cool! I am totally confused now as to why none of the review units have a flash, maybe it is a 16gb model thing.
It's possible the feature just wasn't enabled when they released the ROM for the demonstrators. If it is there, great, if not, meh, I've already ordered mine
An update from Chris Love of Clove ~ Chris has put in an email to the Product Manager to clarify the LED Flash.
The Product Manager is also coming down to see them on the 7th June when Clove showcase the i9000 to Smartphone Essentials Magazine.
So hopefully we may have an answer soon.
Beards said:
An update from Chris Love of Clove ...
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Thanks for the info!
How strange is it that Samsung haven't been clear on this? Is this normal for them, or are they being deliberately silent? I mean, detailed specs have so far come from people who have the unit, rather than the company itself. Maybe it's just to keep us all interested...
hashfoo said:
Thanks for the info!
How strange is it that Samsung haven't been clear on this? Is this normal for them, or are they being deliberately silent? I mean, detailed specs have so far come from people who have the unit, rather than the company itself. Maybe it's just to keep us all interested...
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They have a close liaison with Apple and we know Apple have a habit in doing this and look at the interest they cause....
In a way you can understand their marketing strategy.... keep your customers starving for information and they will then go looking for it which in turn has a physiological effect in wanting more information and keeping the interest running at fever pitch.
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... has a physiological effect in wanting more information and keeping the interest running at fever pitch.
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It really works so well.
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It really works so well.
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Tell me about it.... I have not been this busy talking with sellers, magazines and other folk for absolutely ages.
Oh I would be so happy if they changed their mind on camera LED at the last moment. I grew kinda fond of the one on my old SE W850i, using it as a flashlight quite often.
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Oh I would be so happy if they changed their mind on camera LED at the last moment. I grew kinda fond of the one on my old SE W850i, using it as a flashlight quite often.
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I am hoping that the brightness of super amoled will be enough for a (weak) flashlight.
That will have to do in case the preproduction models were accurate, but you can't lock the screen then and it will be more demanding than a dedicated LED. Anyway, this won't stop me from getting one...
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Oh I would be so happy if they changed their mind on camera LED at the last moment. I grew kinda fond of the one on my old SE W850i, using it as a flashlight quite often.
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Ooh, I had one of them, it did make a pretty torch in a power-cut!
One snippet of information worth mentioning ~ The GSMArena Review.
GSMArena has stated there is no flash on the camera.
However...... when you look at those pictures from GSMArena they are from the earlier pre-production models.
The reason I say this is when you look at the supplied images on GSMArena and focus on the one that shows the back of the phone, now then look at the Speaker Grills and you see we have have two grills running horizontally.
Post production models have three grills running vertically... In other words there is 'something' fundamentally different that has changed to alter the Speaker Grill.
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Post production models have three grills running vertically...
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I haven't seen any pics from the post production models yet. Do you have any links to pics/video?

Android 3

I just got off the phone with T-Mobile tech support(I was transferred 2 times to the ACTUAL AMERICAN TECH SUPPORT, not just some phone center....so I think ). I was asking about something I saw on their website.
support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm24233.xml?&A2L.SERVICE=FeatureSummary
It says at the bottom of the page that the G2 has an FM radio. I asked them about it and he said it did have the hardware, but it will not be functional until the G2 gets updated to Android 3. (or unless you mod with CM 6.1)
So I don't know if this has been said before, but the G2 is getting Android 3 for sure!
Call tech support and direct them to that webpage and ask for an explanation if you want proof...
interesting. too bad t-mobile sucks where i live. hopefully it doesn't take them as long to release a mod for this as it did for the epics tv-out.
Good I don't know why but I want that on fone lol
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The Virtuous ROM also has FM Radio enabled in it. Used it tonight to try it out, and it's pretty slick actually. Of course, you need to use headphones to act as the antenna also, but that's the same for most phones. Sounds really clean.
I just hope it comes soon to stock cause my wife won't let me mod her G2 and she really likes my FM radio in my G2.
I could be wrong, but I'm guessing it'll be in Android 2.3 (Gingerbread), and the person on the other end of the phone didn't realise that Gingerbread is 2.3 not 3.0.
steviewevie said:
I could be wrong, but I'm guessing it'll be in Android 2.3 (Gingerbread), and the person on the other end of the phone didn't realise that Gingerbread is 2.3 not 3.0.
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Exactly my thoughts, lets worry about Gingerbread 2.3, before we can even think about 3.0
FM TRANSMITTER would be far more useful. I believe that this device *does* have a transmitter. Its all in the BT chip. Hopefully 2.3 unlocks TRANSMIT.
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FM TRANSMITTER would be far more useful. I believe that this device *does* have a transmitter. Its all in the BT chip. Hopefully 2.3 unlocks TRANSMIT.
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Thinking about your own pirate radio station?
Actually, it would be great for using the phone in the car, if you don't have bluetooth built in.
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I just hope it comes soon to stock cause my wife won't let me mod her G2 and she really likes my FM radio in my G2.
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Lol, my g/f wont let me mod her D2Global but she hates all the cool stuff my G2 can do haha. Even disabling her insane amounts of bloatware.
sinistersai4d4d said:
Lol, my g/f wont let me mod her D2Global but she hates all the cool stuff my G2 can do haha. Even disabling her insane amounts of bloatware.
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Hahahha! you guys are horrible at convincing your gf/wife at modding. You guys must lack confidence or something. Mine now relys on my hacking. Of course, I guess being an IT pro helps and being a cell tech for 5 years, lol! You have to show them how good you are whether that's an obvious lie or not. Just read, read, and read some more until you feel confident enough. You can do it!
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Hahahha! you guys are horrible at convincing your gf/wife at modding. You guys must lack confidence or something. Mine now relys on my hacking. Of course, I guess being an IT pro helps and being a cell tech for 5 years, lol! You have to show them how good you are whether that's an obvious lie or not. Just read, read, and read some more until you feel confident enough. You can do it!
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Um, no. Controlling your wife has nothing to do with confidence. She knows I know what Im doing as I have modded numerous phones and computers and work in IT. She is one of those people overly concerned about her warranty. She wont even let anyone but the dealer change her motor oil. ANd she buys *ugh* warranties on EVERYTHING.
Maybe you're just too insecure to let your wife make her own decisions.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using telepathy and unicorn dust!
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Um, no. Controlling your wife has nothing to do with confidence. She knows I know what Im doing as I have modded numerous phones and computers and work in IT. She is one of those people overly concerned about her warranty. She wont even let anyone but the dealer change her motor oil. ANd she buys *ugh* warranties on EVERYTHING.
Maybe you're just too insecure to let your wife make her own decisions.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using telepathy and unicorn dust!
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Oh, snap!*
Egalitarian, FTW!
(*Gingerbread snap. Don't want to drift too far off topic.)
sinistersai4d4d said:
Um, no. Controlling your wife has nothing to do with confidence. She knows I know what Im doing as I have modded numerous phones and computers and work in IT. She is one of those people overly concerned about her warranty. She wont even let anyone but the dealer change her motor oil. ANd she buys *ugh* warranties on EVERYTHING.
Maybe you're just too insecure to let your wife make her own decisions.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using telepathy and unicorn dust!
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WOW! Someone is super defensive! That wasnt meant as an insult... Sheesh, you have no sense of humor. Who said anything about controlling your wife or gf? I said convincing... not telling/controlling. And if she doesn't trust you to mod her phone, she must know how unskilled or clumsy you are. Its that obvious that you cant even change oil or do anything correctly when it comes to mechanics/tech. If I can see that from a simple conversation, she knows this too. You need to explain to her that you can still send your phone back even if you brick it. They only charge you if there is physical/liquid damage. the other stuff they cant prove. I'm not talking about a phone stuck in a bootloop where you can see a modded boot screen flashing over & over. thats too obvious. bricks wont turn on. spl corrupted. stuff like that... been there, done that. but I guess thats understandable and a bit hard to explain to your wife. especially if she's the type to buy extended warrenties. again, I wasn't trying to be a jerk but simply dont understand the trust issues you guys have. either that or you're just p whipped. Dont feel too bad. so many guys are these days. may be one day your testicles will descend and your wife might respect and trust you enough to do simple things like flashing a rom on her phone. She might quit cheating on you too!
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Oh, snap!*
Egalitarian, FTW!
(*Gingerbread snap. Don't want to drift too far off topic.)
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Who says "snap" anymore?! why not pull out words like groovy and shazaam? Sorry, I always hated that word snap... its just stupid.
Alright... I'm done with yall. one simple tease gets you guys fired up. "WAAAAAAHHH! My wife wont let me mod her phone! WAAAAAAHH!" Who cares! I have better things to do in this forum like helping people rather than post about silly stuff like Android 3! ha! Ridiculous... its 2.3 and tmobile reps dont know jack about anything for the most part. good bye for now! and get a sense of humor! SHEESSH!
I meant 2.3 btw. I was pretty drunk when I posted last night......Tech said 2.3 and I posted 3.....
Silly Flamers....can't we all just get along...??..???
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AUCTION ! HTC TOUCH HD (Blackstone) available since my DESIRE HD upgrade

I have 2 devices lying around since i upgraded to my current HTC Desire HD
WHAT?
1) HTC Touch HD (Blackstone)
2) HTC HD2 (Leo)
i'll post the HD2 deal in the relevant thread, but for now i want to offer the HD1 to someon who can better make use of it.
Here's what's up for grabs:
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FULL GALLERY OF WHAT'S INCLUDED HERE
WHY?
i enjoyed it for the year i used before upgrading to the HD2. i loved the device and enjoyed the support here on XDA from the various ROM Chefs and other people who contribute to making such devices more functional and fun to use than the OS and hardware makers imagined.
in the past here on XDA, i've helped give away two HTC Universals and a Nokia 7710, and now i want to pass on my current legacies in similar fashion.
OK, HOW CAN I HAVE IT?
very simply: whoever has the most interesting "swap" offer, i'll happily give them the HTC Touch HD (Blackstone). all i'm asking is you look around your homes, whatever you have available and willing to offer, to make this an interesting auction of sorts.
whoever makes the most interesting, humorous, WTF or whatever offer gets the device delivered to them at my cost (that means i pay the postage to you too!). you can either describe your offer, or post/PM links/pics or whatever means you have of conveying your offer.
all you have to do is post here in the thread your offer, or if you prefer PM me, and you will be considered at the end of the 4 week auction. there is no reserve, so after 4 weeks i WILL be choosing the best offer no matter what it is
i have no use for the TOUCH HD anymore, it's been sitting in my house for too long unused and i am happy to give it away in this manner.
DAMN, YOU'RE IN AUSTRALIA DUDE. I REALLY WANT THE DEVICE AND I HAVE SOME COOL STUFF I'D LIKE TO SWAP, BUT THE SHIPPING ISN'T WORTH IT
No problem dudes!
For people outside Australia thinking they have some cool stuff they'd like to exchange, but the cost to them would be prohibitive, make the offer anyway as maybe i'll pay for the postage to receive it! i have varied interests so try me on anything you have that you don't want!
You could win the HTC Touch HD, it costs you nothing to make an offer!
so get rummaging around your stuff, compile a "goody bag/box" or create something interesting if you want a "free" -ish HTC Touch HD.
WHEN?
whenever you want to start....HINT: that means it started when you read this post
the auction will only be open for 4 weeks, after which i will choose from the available offers. this should be plenty of time for everyone to have a chance to notice the auction in the threads and make an offer.
Any questions, feel free to ask away
Happy hunting people and thank you all for helping my life with my old HTC HD much better than it would have been left to HTC and MicroSoft !
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do people think this is a scam or something? you can check out my history and my previous give-away devices if you're that unsure. i've been active on XDA for a while.
i'm basically giving away a boxed HTC TOUCH HD (Blackstone) for whatever the best swap is at the end of a month. even if it's a lousy pack of mints!
so come on people, i know the blackstone development isn't that dead that a Rom Chef couldn't use a spare test device. so somebody must want a freebie.
Hey mate, would you accept my mother in law as swap item ?
surprisingly, no.
i have a broken blackstone
good enough?
no serious
nice idea
wish i had something usefull as its really a great phone
miniterror said:
i have a broken blackstone
good enough?
no serious
nice idea
wish i had something usefull as its really a great phone
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well like i said, if you have something you want to get rid of, anything at all, then offer it up. otherwise if no one wants to put in the effort i'll go elsewhere to find people that deserve it.
maybe a bunch of ps2 games
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maybe a bunch of ps2 games
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well, i don't have a PS2, but it's a start i guess !
we'll see what happens at the end of the month
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well, i don't have a PS2, but it's a start i guess !
we'll see what happens at the end of the month
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i have a ps2 maybe for leo
only downside i have no controllers as i all broke them with the dragonball z games i have
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i have a ps2 maybe for leo
only downside i have no controllers as i all broke them with the dragonball z games i have
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getting more interesting!
which country would you be sending it from?
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getting more interesting!
which country would you be sending it from?
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i live in holland
it are ten games and a memorycard with a expansion memorycard
games are:
need for speed carbon
playboy the mansion
gta vice city
gta san andreas
dragon ball z budokai 1 and 2
dragonball z tenkaichi 2
formula one 2001
battlefield modern combat
dead to rights
i should have more games but maybe they are still boxed as i went out my parental house in october and i still didnt unbox everything
im sure i had more games as i still miss dbz tenkachi 1:-o and gran turismo:-o
will try to look for those but it could be my brother borrowed it to his friends and never got it back:S
edit: just found a second mem card
miniterror said:
i live in holland
it are ten games and a memorycard with a expansion memorycard
games are:
need for speed carbon
playboy the mansion
gta vice city
gta san andreas
dragon ball z budokai 1 and 2
dragonball z tenkaichi 2
formula one 2001
battlefield modern combat
dead to rights
i should have more games but maybe they are still boxed as i went out my parental house in october and i still didnt unbox everything
im sure i had more games as i still miss dbz tenkachi 1:-o and gran turismo:-o
will try to look for those but it could be my brother borrowed it to his friends and never got it back:S
edit: just found a second mem card
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well as long as you're sure you don't want it all, could you find out how much it wold cost for postage/shipping to Australia?
wow thats kinda expensive:-o
a shipping to you with insurance on it and a tracking number to see where the package is will cost 41.10 euro and without insurance on it 34.30 euro
what about hard ke$h?
for touch HD
Mobtel063 said:
what about hard ke$h?
for touch HD
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sure, even cash is an acceptable swap.
i was hoping to get an interesting "swap auction" going on, but if some people want the device and have nothing thy want to swap then sure, fire away with simple cash offerings
this is not ebay!
triad88 said:
this is not ebay!
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i don't understand your statement, what are you unhappy about?
are shipping arround the same prices fro you to send to me?
or do we have overpriced postoffices
guess i see my chance of coming back to cook roms for blackstone going away when people are going to make cash offers
on a side note
ever tried my rom?
I can offer HP L2000R Netserver Dual CPU with 6 x 40GB 10K SCSI HDDs all working order
But I must say It weighs a TON ( and loads of controller cards etc. )
koalauk said:
I can offer HP L2000R Netserver Dual CPU with 6 x 40GB 10K SCSI HDDs all working order
But I must say It weighs a TON ( and loads of controller cards etc. )
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very kind, if impractical due to shipping unfortunately (unless you're in Victoria, Australia for a pick-up?).
i'd pick that up for pure history alone just to play with it a while. but alas, no, not a practical swap i'm afraid.

You guys are awesome.

Whats up guys ...
Hope you all enjoy Gingerbread it seems to be close to release and comming along pretty good ...
I also want to thank the Devs and all of the people who's hard work goes into making Kernels, Themes, Roms,How to videos ...
This has been my favorite forum (even with its ups and downs -_- )on XDA all of you guys are awesome
Thanks!! for making the epic a truly Epic phone.
Keep up the good work guys hope you guys enjoy what time you have left here.
before i leave though ...
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I got one for each of you
Thanks! ................
Great post
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Where you going? There are still treats to be had!
I approve this post.
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Where you going? There are still treats to be had!
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I know ... i'm on he fence ... there are so many douches on the 3vo forums
appearantly im a "wannabe mod"
so w/e ...
iSaint said:
I know ... i'm on he fence ... there are so many douches on the 3vo forums
appearantly im a "wannabe mod"
so w/e ...
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Lol I'm sorry your going to have a hard time there, so many trolls heading that way
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iSaint said:
I know ... i'm on he fence ... there are so many douches on the 3vo forums
appearantly im a "wannabe mod"
so w/e ...
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Stay here! We know you here. Lol
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I won't be going to the Within, but I'll be sending decent people there.
Sent from Godot's place.
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I won't be going to the Within, but I'll be sending decent people there.
Sent from Godot's place.
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Its amazing the maturity of the people on the Epic forums compared to the Evo forums ... it's ridiculous
woot woot!
Ditto on the Within. I haven't truely made up my mind just yet (although I hate the screen, cams and battery life on the evo3d). I don't get my upgrade til September (epic release date) after calling Sprint about premier gold vs silver (thanks again guys!) and my plan is to wait about a month (if necessary) to see what Cyanogenmod prospects look like on both platforms. If the within has good progress at least being made, within for sure. But if it's a small dev community (don't get me wrong, ours is certainly quality over quantity ) again working on a very different us variant with issues, it may be enough to make me take the Evo3D. I love its resolution like you wouldn't believe, but I think the screen looks like crap because of the 3d surface on top of it. Plus qualcomm crappy battery life, 720p 5mp only cameras... should be interesting!
I don't think I'm alone in saying though the epic taught me a very valuable lesson. Never buy on release day. Its hard I know but the epic is great, we've STILL got great devs hard at work, and gingerbread and flash look better than on a mac (which almost always suck with fash). I'll wait it out a bit. If I upgrade it'll be mostly for software support, mods and a bit more running ram for multitasking.
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This is basically my thoughts ... i think im going to wait ... but you can order the Evo 3d online now ...
http://shop2.sprint.com/NASApp/onli...es?phoneSKU=APX515CKT&ECID=vanity:ftbredbud29
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Ditto on the Within. I haven't truely made up my mind just yet (although I hate the screen, cams and battery life on the evo3d). I don't get my upgrade til September (epic release date) after calling Sprint about premier gold vs silver (thanks again guys!) and my plan is to wait about a month (if necessary) to see what Cyanogenmod prospects look like on both platforms. If the within has good progress at least being made, within for sure. But if it's a small dev community (don't get me wrong, ours is certainly quality over quantity ) again working on a very different us variant with issues, it may be enough to make me take the Evo3D. I love its resolution like you wouldn't believe, but I think the screen looks like crap because of the 3d surface on top of it. Plus qualcomm crappy battery life, 720p 5mp only cameras... should be interesting!
I don't think I'm alone in saying though the epic taught me a very valuable lesson. Never buy on release day. Its hard I know but the epic is great, we've STILL got great devs hard at work, and gingerbread and flash look better than on a mac (which almost always suck with fash). I'll wait it out a bit. If I upgrade it'll be mostly for software support, mods and a bit more running ram for multitasking.
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Mystery's ability to do what he did with froyo makes me wonder what we'll get from ACS regarding GB. This release was sick. It's the froyo we were all seeking. I think we're on track to see our phones rise as their reliability continue to cruise. I know people still joining older phones for cost reasons. We'll have another wave enter our community down the road. It's all cyclical. The Within crowd will be demanding before they learn patience. Be strong, grasshoppers.
That reminds me, in preparation for my trip to Amsterdam and Germany I was updating my old TP2 (for the sim card slot, last year I got 6.5-7mbps on vodafone germany, for ten euros for the month prepaid! Way faster than 3g sprint, kinda funny). They still have active development going on! Its awesome, I love the community! June 6th for the rom, then they've got a very nice froyo (and somewhat unstable gingerbread) in both nand flash or haret boot. Amazing. That and the wpa-supplicant ad-hoc hack for the epic and I'll be tethering my epic to the tp2, google voice and skype, ten euros prepaid internet and I'll be good to go! Did I mention I love the community?!
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I know ... i'm on he fence ... there are so many douches on the 3vo forums
appearantly im a "wannabe mod"
so w/e ...
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Ya, getting the 3d on friday. But I've noticed to, to many a-holes on evo threads.
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iSaint said:
I know ... i'm on he fence ... there are so many douches on the 3vo forums
appearantly im a "wannabe mod"
so w/e ...
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I saw that post... I think everyone there will be a lot nicer once they actually get their phones.
readingkeeper said:
I saw that post... I think everyone there will be a lot nicer once they actually get their phones.
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They're already backordered (gives me an excuse not to be with them)... so im not getting it Samsung Within it is then ...
iSaint said:
They're already backordered (gives me an excuse not to be with them)... so im not getting it Samsung Within it is then ...
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I would wait, a little longer for better phone
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I would wait, a little longer for better phone
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Yea i don't really have a choice now ... my mom spent the money i saved up for it ...
She said she'll pay for the Within.. so $200 and im guessing the Within will be more .. so im making interest

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