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i am struggling with this phone, at first i loved it as the potential looked amazing, but i used to be a heavy texter, it was simple with a normal phone, and could text with out lookin at screen, so was pretty quick, new i would have to get used to the touch screen, but i have it set up for phone key pad so i can use it like a normal phone, but there will be no chance of texting without looking due to cant feel buttons, but i find it slow and end up spelling words wrong, and have to delete and respell, then u press a button and doesnt register, so again get a garbled word and have to resplell, and worse is when it highlights the words, if you dont press space and try to edit something you get you word insert again either to the end of the original word or halfway through message - how do i turn that off i dont need it suggesting words, just want to type and maybe use the arrows to scroll to the next word, and not have it inserted randomly onto the message.
this phone is not great for texts or email. is there a better programme out there for texting with? cheers
there are millions of text input programs, but I recommend you: TouchPal (for Thumb-use, with the smart-keyboard) and TenGo (for Stylus-use). If you get used to this, belive me, you can type really fast. I know what you mean, once, I came from a life with Nokia, too, and I could write everything without looking and extremely fast, but the time to get used to a touchscreen-phone is much longer than you/me thought!! But after some months (!) you will see, you can type very, very fast, with this keyboards. Or wait until the new maila comes out (you can flash Dutty's extreme ROM), this is much better in full-QWERTY than the one by now. So, search a little bit, you'll find really millions and millions of keyboards!! Try some
Good luck!! And don't give up hope
Greets, cad^^
thank you, i will check, i have browsed forums but hadnt seen anything about texting, so again, thank you
No prob. Just look around, xda is for 95% of the questions/problems the best source. But if you are new here, look at the xda-wiki!!!! It is very, very, very important and helpful, there you get the most information!!! You see, its at the upper bar, the 4th icon from left. So, happy reading and have fun with your new toy And enjoooooooy it^^
I actually thinky the HD is better for texting than I thought originally, but your point about words inserting themselves within words is very valid.
What I don't understand is that the phone is capable of haptic feedback but it doesn't do it for the keyboard input. I assume the only way is to install Touch Response
yes, it is, but it's very easy to install and it's very good working! So, no probs But if you text REALLY a lot, than look now in the accessory section, they are currently discussing about external bluetooth keyboards. Me too, I'm interested in one of these, and I find 55$ for the Brando one not expensive.. Just look at it
Greets, cad^^
SPB Keyboard works absolutely fantastically on the touch HD, the fact you can press a button to make the keyboard fullscreen and horizontal for text messaging makes it particularly handy.
I had the same problems when I had my very first touch screen phone (LG Viewty) and found that texting was very difficult using a phone keypad layout, I switched to the keyboard layout and using the tips of my thumbnails to tap out the messages it works a lot better! Maybe give it a try and tap out a few messages to see if it feels easier. Trust me you'll get used to it!
Yes, I like spb-keyboard, too, but it's only in ugly qvga theme, I didn't found any wvga so, it's very unsharp and not good looking. ok, I know, I'm absolutely crazy complaining about the "look" of a keyboard, but actually I think it matters so, I really like the Touchpal (I'm writing now on it) and until I fully test the new HTC keyboard, I think Ill stay with this But thanks for your information!! Have fun
Greets, cad^^
I have a problem on my xperia sincethe begining.
when I type a sms if I write sentence pretty fast I have to wait to allow the pphone to finish writin.
anyone has the same pb? any solution?
did you update your phone to the latest firmware?
Firmware R2A seems to be faster, but I think the lag in general happens alot in windows mobile phones.
I've experienced this issue on my first R1A ROM that I got when the phone shipped in Nov/08. I've just recently updated to R3AA010, and noticed that the issue is still there. I do find that it helps to give the phone 10-15 seconds to finish its processing after rotating the screen (sliding out the hardware KB), since it seems to lag when you start to type RIGHT after rotating.
I am running Wisbar Advance 3 + Desktop 2, so that may have something to do with it, but I have heard that a LOT of ppl are experiencing this. Once I rotate and wait a good 10 seconds before typing, the character-popup speed is improved, but still not instant like it should be.
Could be a generic WinMo fault too...
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I've experienced this issue on my first R1A ROM that I got when the phone shipped in Nov/08. I've just recently updated to R3AA010, and noticed that the issue is still there. I do find that it helps to give the phone 10-15 seconds to finish its processing after rotating the screen (sliding out the hardware KB), since it seems to lag when you start to type RIGHT after rotating.
I am running Wisbar Advance 3 + Desktop 2, so that may have something to do with it, but I have heard that a LOT of ppl are experiencing this. Once I rotate and wait a good 10 seconds before typing, the character-popup speed is improved, but still not instant like it should be.
Could be a generic WinMo fault too...
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Hm... I had the same issues with R1A AND R2A, but I haven't noticed it in R3A. Weird.
I get this issue with TouchIT 7+, and a friend of mine also gets it with Smaberg TouchX. It happened to both of us a couple of weeks after flashing. Strangely it's not happening on my one at the moment, so seems like an intermittant slow down.
thats weird, i got my device with the R2A rom and never experienced such issue, only problem i have with my x1 is that the panels does not rotate without the stutter, but hey, thats common on all xperias
"Disable Word Suggestions from Settings/Personal/Input/Word Completion. If you have a full QWERTY keyboard on your phone, and you're fairly fast at typing, the word suggestions are of no use to you anyway. And I have noticed quite a lag when this setting is on, especially when writing text messages. One would think that a cell-phone with 256MB of RAM, 128MB graphics memory and a 528MHz processor could handle quick typing without delay, but apparently that was a hard nut to crack for Microsoft."
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"Disable Word Suggestions from Settings/Personal/Input/Word Completion. If you have a full QWERTY keyboard on your phone, and you're fairly fast at typing, the word suggestions are of no use to you anyway. And I have noticed quite a lag when this setting is on, especially when writing text messages. One would think that a cell-phone with 256MB of RAM, 128MB graphics memory and a 528MHz processor could handle quick typing without delay, but apparently that was a hard nut to crack for Microsoft."
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That's well worth trying if people haven't already done this. The problem I've experienced is not related to this however, as I've never had it enabled.
Here's the fix:
Along with turning off word suggesrtion. You must also click on "clear stored Entries"...this will get rid of you lag. What happens is the X1 stores everything we type so you must go in periodically (manually) and clear all those stored words out. This along with turning off word suggestion will fix lag time.
guys, I didn't do it on purpose, I xanted to switched from windiws to xperia appearance and it's over, no more pb with typing......and YES i kept word suggestions.
finally I found.
thx to all of you, and let me know if this tip helps!
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guys, I didn't do it on purpose, I xanted to switched from windiws to xperia appearance and it's over, no more pb with typing......and YES i kept word suggestions.
finally I found.
thx to all of you, and let me know if this tip helps!
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what do you mean you switched from windows to xperia appearance? please tell me where that setting is. i use SPB shell 3.01 if that matters.
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guys, I didn't do it on purpose, I xanted to switched from windiws to xperia appearance and it's over, no more pb with typing......and YES i kept word suggestions.
finally I found.
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what do you mean you switched from windows to xperia appearance? please tell me where that setting is. i use SPB shell 3.01 if that matters.
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+1 ... yeouda what did you do or change
I just change the look of the skin of winmo
start>settings>today>xperia black
ANDROS77 about spb shell, do you have the same pb?
I just change the look of the skin of winmo
start>settings>today>xperia black
ANDROS77 about spb shell, do you have the same pb?
i'm running on the xperia skin and i always get this issue with the ori rom and the custom roms. mine would normally pause half way through an sms or once or twice stuck at the "To" input when doing sms. i will try to off the auto complete and see if that solve the problem - thanks for the heads-up
Again folks, I said it in my earlier post if you want to fix the text lag, you must "clear stored entry" in seetings underneth the word complettion option. This will end the lag, however periodically you will have to go back in and do it again.
FYI:
HTC have confirmed that there is a bug with WM6.5 that shows that you have an unread message, while you clearly don't.
A fix is being prepared by Microsoft.
Never knew about that...
But knew about alarm ringing alarm and notification sound mixed.... and alarm does not stop... in the morning.
Battery additional info reseted to "0" so no historical info there....
No option to light signal for more that 5 minutes (thank god there is a registry tweak for that).
Well. I'll keep waiting.
PMoto
I am having exactly the same issue and posted it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=579772
Thanks for the update loadstone007...hope both MS and HTC start rolling out fixes for the various bugs in 6.5!
Mo
What about the other bugs? Or am I the only one having them:
-Extra blank line between input-box and suggested words-line. Meaning the suggested words-line cross the "send"-button, and when you're picking a word, you accidently push "send".
-TouchFlo/Sense now only shows 160(?) letters in SMS-dialogue. Almost all my sms, in and out, exceed 160, so to read sms now, I have to use the Windows-dialogue(inbox). This was not a problem on WM6.1
-The input box and keyboard overlay the sms-dialogue, so what you see when you write a new text, is NOT the last you recieved, but 2 or 3 messages back in history. The newest ones are hidden behind keyboard, instead of scrolled up.
The weird thing is that these don't seem like bugs, just.. bad construction.
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What about the other bugs? Or am I the only one having them:
-Extra blank line between input-box and suggested words-line. Meaning the suggested words-line cross the "send"-button, and when you're picking a word, you accidently push "send".
-TouchFlo/Sense now only shows 160(?) letters in SMS-dialogue. Almost all my sms, in and out, exceed 160, so to read sms now, I have to use the Windows-dialogue(inbox). This was not a problem on WM6.1
-The input box and keyboard overlay the sms-dialogue, so what you see when you write a new text, is NOT the last you recieved, but 2 or 3 messages back in history. The newest ones are hidden behind keyboard, instead of scrolled up.
The weird thing is that these don't seem like bugs, just.. bad construction.
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No I dont have these issues, but then again I dont use HTC Sense. Are these Sense related or Windows 6.5 related?
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What about the other bugs? Or am I the only one having them:
-Extra blank line between input-box and suggested words-line. Meaning the suggested words-line cross the "send"-button, and when you're picking a word, you accidently push "send".
-TouchFlo/Sense now only shows 160(?) letters in SMS-dialogue. Almost all my sms, in and out, exceed 160, so to read sms now, I have to use the Windows-dialogue(inbox). This was not a problem on WM6.1
-The input box and keyboard overlay the sms-dialogue, so what you see when you write a new text, is NOT the last you recieved, but 2 or 3 messages back in history. The newest ones are hidden behind keyboard, instead of scrolled up.
The weird thing is that these don't seem like bugs, just.. bad construction.
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Totally with ya on this one, toth42. I'm having exactly the same issues and think it's Sense rather than WinMo 6.5 itself...
toth42 said:
What about the other bugs? Or am I the only one having them:
-Extra blank line between input-box and suggested words-line. Meaning the suggested words-line cross the "send"-button, and when you're picking a word, you accidently push "send".
-TouchFlo/Sense now only shows 160(?) letters in SMS-dialogue. Almost all my sms, in and out, exceed 160, so to read sms now, I have to use the Windows-dialogue(inbox). This was not a problem on WM6.1
-The input box and keyboard overlay the sms-dialogue, so what you see when you write a new text, is NOT the last you recieved, but 2 or 3 messages back in history. The newest ones are hidden behind keyboard, instead of scrolled up.
The weird thing is that these don't seem like bugs, just.. bad construction.
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Yup - I've seen all of these. Does seem a little buggy...
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No I dont have these issues, but then again I dont use HTC Sense. Are these Sense related or Windows 6.5 related?
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Yea, I'll say it's sense/manila/tf3d, but all the problems occured after the official 6.5 update.
BTW, the one bug, with last SMS's being hidden by keyboard and textbox, is the same in WinMo(inbox). Just check, go to a conversation in your inbox, and whip up the keyboard. The keyboard and text-box takes most of the screen, and what u see above it, is not the last message of the conversation.
They are not bugs, just bad ideas badly implemented i suppose. Yep, the one with send button is driving me crazy
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They are not bugs, just bad ideas badly implemented i suppose. Yep, the one with send button is driving me crazy
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I seem to recall there was a hotfix for this for 6.1, called something like "hotfix for fixing the problem with the extra white line when writing sms"? And still they don't implement the fix in the next version?
Hey guys i got the issue fixed using a little tool to clear the message count. Check this post, and thanks to onthemail:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1519862&postcount=3
Run the program and do a soft reset - wait a couple of seconds and the annoying green message count will disappear. If not, do it all again (run program and soft reset) and it should def work.
Good luck
Cheers
Mo
Although I'm not experiencing the exact same problem the topic starter posted, I'm also having a problem with the HTC SMS. When I go to contacts, choose one of my favorites, go to the sms tab and send an sms from there, sometimes the sms doesn't show up in the thread, it just totally disappears from the device. As far as I know the messages are sent to the person, but it's annoying to me to not be able to read back what I wrote.
Anyone familiar with this problem and has a solution for it?
Thanks in advance!
I get quite a few Joke texts sent, but the long ones allways get cut off near the end. Some of them must be 4 or more texts long. I didnt have this problem until i upgraded to win 6.5. I allways miss the punchline is this a known problem and is there a fix or is there i setting i have missed.
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I get quite a few Joke texts sent, but the long ones allways get cut off near the end. Some of them must be 4 or more texts long. I didnt have this problem until i upgraded to win 6.5. I allways miss the punchline is this a known problem and is there a fix or is there i setting i have missed.
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It's a bug in WM6.5 unfortunately. You have to go in to Windows messages to see the entire message (as opposed to HTC's sense UI)..it's annoying and i hope HTC come out with a rom update very soon as this is just one of many many bugs and annoying quirks in 6.5. Argh!
HTC Pure Hotfix
While this doesn't address the problems posted inthis thread, I thought that I would just use this existing thread for an FYI. HTC has released a couple of new hotfixes this morning for the Pure and Tilt 2
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
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While this doesn't address the problems posted inthis thread, I thought that I would just use this existing thread for an FYI. HTC has released a couple of new hotfixes this morning for the Pure and Tilt 2
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
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Have you successfully installed these?
I received "Device not compatable" errors on both files.
Prolly because of LEO ported manila.
Oh well, thanks anyways Denco7.
I have the stock AT&T rom on my Pure and both updates worked fine.
I also have this problem, so annoying! Microsoft need to get a fix ASAP!
Right, I've had the HD2 (well two of them now actually) for over three weeks so this isn't just a case of my 'not being used to the device yet'. I'm very used to it, so, moving swiftly along...
When typing on the super-sensitive keyboard, you know the one, where nearly every word needs editing due to errors......when I hit the delete button, all sorts of anomolies regularly occur. Typing is a real chore on this device. I get all sorts of characters appearing when I press delete, it is a real lottery and takes several attempts to actually delete anything. I have experienced this problem on both HD2s I've had, so this is definintely not a faulty unit. I am assuming that they're all like this?
Have you try with bsb tweaks and option decrease sensitivity of screen?
Your not alone pal - i install a cab - from this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
and it seemed to have help some
Its version 3
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Your not alone pal - i install a cab - from this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
and it seemed to have help some
Its version 3
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I installed the first version of that cab on my previous HD2 and found that sometimes buttons would not register and the whole screen would freeze momentarily etc. Also, the clincher, was that the screen was less sensitive in all apps, not just the SMS one. For instance, when sliding to unlock the handset it would take several attempts etc, this I could not live with. Is v3 any different?
Hi - if you read the link its not to do with removing the sensitivity as i didnt want that either it do do with alignment - I really cant explain it better then the dude himself. but if you holla at him im sure he will give you a better understanding of whats changed
I just wasted close to a thousand US$ on the most brain damaged SmartPhone ever constructed by HTC - and they've got a lot of brain damaged products to show for.
For one, that IDIOTIC keyboard they got built in there NEVER,EVER lets me finish what I'm typing.
IT allways(!) ends up "correcting me" in mid word and 99% of the time, it corrects it wrongly.
It simply exchanges one letter for another and I'm sure is darn proud of itself while doing it.
And no, I already tried disabling "auto-correction" in the device input options, and it doesn't change a thing.
This is just a moronic design!!!!
How the f$#! can I get that plain old & boring Windows Mobile keyboard to work on that thing?!
Then try TouchPal Pro. But for me, I prefer HD2 native keyboard. The T9 mode is useful.
I'd recommend calibrating the screen (with your thumbs, as if you're using the phone), and just slow down and get used to it. It does take a while, but I can type very fast with it now and very rarely make mistakes. The keyboard takes a lot of practice, but is worth it.
I have T9 mode on and auto-correct off. I like to have suggestions, but don't like it forcing words on me. It usually gives me the correct word by the time I'm half way through typing it, so this obviously speeds up typing.
Incidentally, T9 rather eerily learns how you type. It seems to adapt to your typing style as you go along, so stick with it, or just turn it off completely if you want no suggestions at all.
Deactivate T9 on the keyboard.
I didn't feel happy with the original keyboard, too.
Tried Resco keyboard 5.23.
Now i have a better accuracy.
If you must do the tap tap thing... Touchpal 4.0.... however, I find that Swype is the best and really really fast.... it's almost like magic...
Yes... turn off T9....
HTC HD2 Keyboard is KILLING ME!
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Then DIE or use the forum SEARCH!
T9 is supposed to learn your "style", you can't expect it to correct everything right without you teaching it first.
Dont run just yet
You shouldnt need to change ur keyboard... i tried Swipe and i think its really good but still can use the HTC at top speed with T9 and correction on
Things to try first
1.Recalibrate
2.Install 3.3 Cab from this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
3 if you dont want to reduce sensitivity just add a screen protector takes away about 3-5% of sensitiveness
Thats all I have done and i dont dread sending texts anymore
Hope this helps
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Then DIE or use the forum SEARCH!
T9 is supposed to learn your "style", you can't expect it to correct everything right without you teaching it first.
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Your heart warming reply was so (not) helpful that it makes me appreciate the other responses which contain actual hints - rather than mindless insults - that much more.
Thanks once more (for nothing)
And by the way, I specifically stated that I did not want *anything* to be auto corrected - as I can correct myself a lot faster if I don't have to correct the keyboard first all the time.
Sorry, but there are countless threads about the keyboard. If you're not able to search before you open another one, then it's your fault if you get resposes like this.
Same for your stupid thread title. Make a proper thread title, use the search and you won't get such responses.
And if you disable T9 and autocorrection, then it won't correct you. If you're still not able to type, then it's your fault. It doesn't exchange letters just for fun. It's you pressing the wrong keys.
This is just a moronic design!!!!
How the f$#! can I get that plain old & boring Windows Mobile keyboard to work on that thing?![/QUOTE]
Try the Swype keyboard!
See that T9 switch at the left of the keyboard? Press it. Problem gone.
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...I just wasted close to a thousand US$ on the most brain damaged SmartPhone ever constructed by HTC -This is just a moronic design!!!!
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Understand your anger and frustration if the you are not getting on with the device but a couple of points:
- There are a lot of people (not all) who are happy with their device and have found solutions to the keyboard issue (some suggestions in this thread) so the problem might be your technique perhaps?
- Also, given that you spent nearly $1K on this device, did you not test one out thoroughly first BEFORE buying it? I can't see anyone being silly enough to spend that amount of money on anything, whether its a phone or a vehicle, before checking it out first?
Really interested in your answer to the 2nd question in particular.
Hopefully with the help you have been given here so far and if you take your time you will eventually be able to work with the device. I don't have the issues you have but where I have not been comfortable, adopting a solution off XDA, having searched first, has worked for me.
WB
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I recommend to use Swype.
die and prove it
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die and prove it
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Way to go making friends on the forum superplayboy.
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I recommend to use Swype.
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I totally agree with this. Whilst I don't hate the original keyboard I did find it a touch fiddly. Swype is fantastic IMO' a great idea and so easy to use.
I can sympathise with the frustrations here. I like using auto correct and am very familiar with all of HTCs onscreen keyboards, along with those of the omnia i8000, Galaxy and iPhone and I must say that although the HD2 keyboard isn't the WORST, it can be most frustrating, particularly when you need to type out a quick text. most of my problems stem from what seems to be poor prediction algorithms. let me say that I am no Apple fanboy, but this keyboard has a long way to go to be as excellent as that of the iPhone: often on here if I get ONE letter wrong at the start of the word it will be incapable of understanding what I'm trying to type, whereas if I get a letter wrong somewhere in the middle it'll be fine. another problem I have is that sometimes when sending an sms the cursor will magically jump to the top of the text and I will unwittingly start typing over the start of my initial sentence. Also if I go to delete a number of letters often the keyboard will have a fit and start throwing letters and paragraphs everywhere. I accept that this is probably my finger not being 100 percent accurate but surely it is also a sign that the keyboard is just TOO SENSITIVE, even with the patch installed. I never had this problem on the Hero, nor the iPhone - both of which have vastly smaller screens.
lastly i'd like that t9 button moved as its just TOO easy to catch without realising.
I accept that some people on here don't seem to have any problem, but perhaps you guys are too forgiving, and sometimes it takes a bit of a whine and moan to get things fixed. Like I said, I'm very familiar with onscreen keyboards and accept that there is a certain learning curve to all of them, but after nearly two months with a HD2 I'm starting to believe that this one is very flawed: given the massive screen real estate of the hd2 I believe there is no excuse for a flawed onscreen keyboard. remember, this is a CRUCIAL part of a device with no hardware input facility, and we should not (in my opinion) have to buy third party software to get an acceptable basic user experience on a handset built as a thoroughly commercial mass-media device.
Thats my two cents.
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Thats my two cents.
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I agree with both of those cents fully
Also with regards to the post a few posts up, I presume that the person who spent $1000 on a phone lives in America where a HD2 would be hard to come buy as its not actually out there yet? You can't really blame him for buying it without testing it, especially with all the rave reviews on hundreds of sites, none of which seem to mention the flaws such as the keyboard and terrible (seriously terrible) sms sending issue.
Actually I also think HTC keyboard is not very good. I will not recommend anybody to use it. Anyway different people have different experience.
If you don't like Swype, you can try Finger Keyboard I think it's better than the HTC Keyboard.
I also have problems with my keyboard but I suspect a hardware fault and I am going to return my phone.
When I type it sometimes selects (multiple) letters on the other side of the keyboard or around the key i pressed. It usually comes in "bursts"; sometimes its nearly impossible to typ. Nearly threw the thing out of a window. Its a good phone but my keyboard is ruining the whole thing. Also (thats more rare) it can begin typing on its own, selecting or opening programs, switching tabs without me touching the screen! I waited for a new ROM and tried various tweaks but it doesn't get any better