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Jasjar/Universal: Too many bugs ??

I started yesterday working with my new i-mate Jasjar, and, already, I am lost in so many bugs and bad issues.
1- ActiveSync 4 does not support backup/restore of the device. I know this is a "known" issue, but it is a real bad one!
2- Some programs cannot be installed at all, like SPB PocketPlus. On another hand, all task switchers (and program closers) make problems, and end up by soft resetting the device.
3- A big problem: I cannot uninstall any of the programs I installed, whether on the main memory or the storage card, whether by using ActiveSync (from the desktop), or Remove Programs (in Settings) or any third party software, like SKTools!
4- Synchronizing through ActiveSync is not always straight forward. Sometimes the device is not recognized, or, when recognized, synchronize cannot start, or, when it does start, it never ends.
Did any of you experience any of these problems?
Any suggestions, or we have to wait for a ROM upgrade ?

Spb pocketplus may not be supported by wm05?.Perhaps the next release will work though as i'm getting either the wizard or universal so I hope it does!

personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
bugs are ok, it makes the patches more anticipated, and of course, with out this kind of feedback sofware houses wouldn't always reveal the issues before software is released.

Tekflow said:
I started yesterday working with my new i-mate Jasjar, and, already, I am lost in so many bugs and bad issues.
1- ActiveSync 4 does not support backup/restore of the device. I know this is a "known" issue, but it is a real bad one!
2- Some programs cannot be installed at all, like SPB PocketPlus. On another hand, all task switchers (and program closers) make problems, and end up by soft resetting the device.
3- A big problem: I cannot uninstall any of the programs I installed, whether on the main memory or the storage card, whether by using ActiveSync (from the desktop), or Remove Programs (in Settings) or any third party software, like SKTools!
4- Synchronizing through ActiveSync is not always straight forward. Sometimes the device is not recognized, or, when recognized, synchronize cannot start, or, when it does start, it never ends.
Did any of you experience any of these problems?
Any suggestions, or we have to wait for a ROM upgrade ?
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dude all of these are software (activesync and windows 5 related) none are related to jasjar...the jasjar is the most stable imate device EVER
yes there are issues between the new active sync and windows and firewall and the antivirus that you run but these are Microsofts faults not jasjars...
to answer your questions
1) this is a bummer.. i really wish they had given the option of backing up device..anywyas thats why you have ppc softwares that do backup..the one working on wm5 is sunnysoft backup..
2)most of the softwares lag behind.. wm5 is out but not all software makers have updated their products..NOTE AGAIN THIS IS NOT JASJARS FAULT..its YOURs you can wait 6 more months by then spbsoftware should have a pocketplus that works on wm5
3)dude again old applications like sktools dont work on wm5... if you want you can use pocket mechanic and memmaid ..they work fine.. for task manager i use dinarsoft handy sweitcher..not only its an excellent application but it works on wm5 aswelll...
4)you have your firewall and antivirus software and to blame for this...not jasjar..for me i had to FORMAT my laptop and install activesync before i turned on firewall and installed an antivirus program...only then did active sync work..and its flawless now.. oen word my personal experience trendmicro2002 doesnt work with AS however 2005 version of pcillin works with its personal firewall set to off...
hope i cleared up a few misconceptions for you
:lol:

Well,
1) That is annoying. I hadn't noticed that, but I'm sure it'll be addressed in future...
2) As zohaer21 says, that's purely because we have the latest, greatest bleeding edge technology, and the software developers have yet to catch up. (In the meantime, HandySwitcher is working perfectly on my device, no bugs, no crashes, just what it's meant to do!)
3) Have you tried installing anything from a .cab file to see if you still have a problem uninstalling? I'd guess ActiveSync is probably your problem...
4) Can't really help there...I'd suggest removing Activesync completely from your PC and installing it again from scratch. Personally I'm not using the bundled version of ActiveSync (4.1?) because I had an old 4.0.??? already but I don't think I've heard of anyone else with that issue yet so I'd assume it's a problem with your PC installation?

Carnivor said:
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
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no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?

mat1t said:
Carnivor said:
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
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no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
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True, but MS changed WM5 significantly from WM2003, many more changes than Windows 2000 -> Windows XP. The biggest changes were (1) persistent storage and new memory handling and (2) WM5's compatibility with MS Smartphone apps. I am not surprised a good number of apps aren't working.
By the way, SPB's PocketPlus looks like it works with WM5 because they have screen shots on their web site of it running on a Windows Mobile 5 OS. But it may just not be compatible with the JasJar yet.

Carnivor said:
no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
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It does not depend on that gap but on what they did durring that gap. If you do not change structural things, backwards compatibility can last a long time.
Actually the gap between WM2003SE and WM5 is quite large for some software developers. Notably some applications that synchronise databases (TimeTTRacker, Commontime mNotes) have to be rewritten from the ground up, even though we are only talking about a 1 year gap. Microsoft did change some crucial things, even if it does not show at first glance.

sorry, my post came across a bit bolshy. It wasn't intended.
I meant that developers would hope that they wouldn't have to re-write their apps every few years. I like the changes, because it adds more structure and makes it more of a uniform platform, but we've got to hope that they don't change these very often.
It would help if MS supplied the emulators for WM5 free of charge. (I'm yet to find any)

No worries
WM 5.0 SDK including emulator for PPC
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...F2-F524-4EC5-9155-717CBE5D25ED&displaylang=en
WM 5.0 SDK including emulator for Smartphone
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...CB-738A-4B97-8910-5CD29AB5F8D9&displaylang=en

SPB Pocket Plus version 3 works just fine on an i-Mate JasJar. Older versions of Pocket Plus will not work on WM5 devices of any kind, so upgrade to Version 3 and you can install it on your jasJar. I'm running it on mine.

hey mat1t dont worry about it,
just dont get put deisel in a petrol car, my analogy of the issues

louisk said:
SPB Pocket Plus version 3 works just fine on an i-Mate JasJar. Older versions of Pocket Plus will not work on WM5 devices of any kind, so upgrade to Version 3 and you can install it on your jasJar. I'm running it on mine.
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Correct!
It does work under WM5.0 Just make sure you are on version 3
If you are on Version 3 and still refuses to install, copy the CAB file over the device and execute/install from there.

DaleReeck said:
mat1t said:
Carnivor said:
By the way, SPB's PocketPlus looks like it works with WM5 because they have screen shots on their web site of it running on a Windows Mobile 5 OS. But it may just not be compatible with the JasJar yet.
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hi
it works but it makes it really slow (inlcuding the start up if you use the quick launch menu whatever)..i guess you can say its not wm5 optimized as yet
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SPB Pocket plus does install and work. I had to do a hard reset after I initially used my Jasjar and everything worked right. Like email accounts etc. What I would like to see is a program like gb tweak that keeps the gprs allways alive. But so for there is nothing out there. NO problems with my JasJar at all.
Mike

@Tekflow
Since you got a Jasjar, plz can you upload for us the Arabizer package from the Extended_Rom ?
Click Here! This is how they managed to copy it!
Thank you.

I have the file for you but cannot upload it on the server...
Please send me a PM and I will tell you where to donwload them.
Cheers

Daimaou said:
I have the file for you but cannot upload it on the server...
Please send me a PM and I will tell you where to donwload them.
Cheers
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Pm Sent

Just replied, and if someone can tell me why I cannot UL files on the server it would help me
Cheers

You have to use username:xdaupload password:xda to be able to upload
ftp://xdaupload:[email protected]

Opera for O2 XDA Exec

I downloaded "Opera 8.00u1" on my O2 XDA Exec, and it didn't work. Windows extending out of screen display area, tried to play around but no success.
I wonder if this version works for Windows Mobile 2005 at all ?
Is opera availablef ro WM2005 at all?
cheers

From http://www.opera.com/winmobile/ ...
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Software requirements
This release is only for Smartphone 2003. It will not work on Smartphone 2002 or Pocket PC devices.
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SiliconS said:
From http://www.opera.com/winmobile/ ...
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Software requirements
This release is only for Smartphone 2003. It will not work on Smartphone 2002 or Pocket PC devices.
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I downloaded on my imate jasjar. Opened Midlet manager. It works like a charm. There is space for improovement.

alex66 said:
I downloaded on my imate jasjar. Opened Midlet manager. It works like a charm. There is space for improovement.
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Cool! Opera is great on the desktop. Can you explain more about its strengths and weaknesses? Does it work in VGA mode?

SiliconS said:
alex66 said:
I Does it work in VGA mode?
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yes, if you set the fonts to be smooth and small. Outstanding. A little bit of pain for your eyes, though.
Probably the rendering is more suitable for a portrait smartphone screen, but I think it will change when the definitive program will be released.
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I tried it a couple of months ago. Ignore that it only works on smartphones, worked fine on my XDAII (Mobile 2005). I think i just extracted the cabs out and installed it manually.
Gonna try it again on EXEC hopefully it will make browsing easier.

WiFiFoFum v2.0

New version just released for those interested... download at www.aspecto-software(dot)com

as before when this link was posted , it dont work. a working link would be apreciated as i love ver .4

luminousplumz said:
as before when this link was posted , it dont work. a working link would be apreciated as i love ver .4
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http://www.aspecto-software.com/xoops/modules/wfdownloads/singlefile.php?cid=1&lid=5

quick response.. cheers
but i still cant get there ,i think the proxy is pisin me about cheer though

quick response.. cheers
but i still cant get there ,i think the proxy is pisin me about cheer though

Hmm, it complains that it requires a newer version of the .NET framework to work on my Exec.
[edit]Aha, we need this one to give use the 2.0 framework http://www.aspecto-software.com/xoops/modules/wfdownloads/singlefile.php?cid=1&lid=4 [/edit]

just dling now from microsoft

works a treat! definately a must for those working in connectivity, networking etc and also those into warchalking (with a gps)

Yup, great bit of software. Can anyone recommend an indoor GPS device for use with WiFiFoFum when War-walking?
Cheers.

Massive install
Bloody hell! :shock:
The CAB file for WiFiFoFum is just a few hundred KB, but the installer for the .NET Compact Framework is 5MB! :shock: :shock:
You've got to *really* want this software to suffer that kinda hit to your storage, IMHO.
Is there any other free warwalking software that works well for WM5? I can store locations in TomTom without WiFiFoFum's radar display...
Thanks in advance

This version was great. Thanks

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Bloody hell! :shock:
The CAB file for WiFiFoFum is just a few hundred KB, but the installer for the .NET Compact Framework is 5MB! :shock: :shock:
You've got to *really* want this software to suffer that kinda hit to your storage, IMHO.
Is there any other free warwalking software that works well for WM5? I can store locations in TomTom without WiFiFoFum's radar display...
Thanks in advance
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Hi SiliconS,
I stored NetFramework and WiFiFoFum in my SD Card. It runs great, a little slow to start up but saves you the internal memory.
Plus from what I read, most new free warwalking software needs NetFramework 2. So there is no escaping it. Sorry.
If you want to try HitchHiker: http://www.kasuei.com/hitchhiker/ feel free, but the last time I tried it on my EXEC, it did not work.

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cktlcmd said:
Plus from what I read, most new free warwalking software needs NetFramework 2. So there is no escaping it. Sorry.
If you want to try HitchHiker: http://www.kasuei.com/hitchhiker/ feel free, but the last time I tried it on my EXEC, it did not work.
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Thanks for the reply, Christian.
Maybe I'll try WiFiFoFum if it installs OK to the SD card. I was just shocked at how much MS bloat was necessary to get it working. Even installing the .NET 'Compact' Framework via my PC required a 24MB download and a 59MB installed size. Seems crazy to me, but I guess it's necessary for something.
Just a pity that WiFiFoFum requires the complete .NET framework and can't just cherry-pick certain libraries. I'm not a coder so I don't understand the reasons, but I'm sure the developers don't choose this situation happily.

but where is the advantage compared to the version before, that makes it worth installing the huge framework-stuff...?
the 0.3.3-version works quiet good on my mda pro

svonk said:
but where is the advantage compared to the version before, that makes it worth installing the huge framework-stuff...?
the 0.3.3-version works quiet good on my mda pro
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So, you mean to say that the previous version worked well with the UNIVERSAL, so we don't need to install NetFramework 2? Does the old version of WiFiFoFum have Windows Mobile 5 support?

cktlcmd said:
So, you mean to say that the previous version worked well with the UNIVERSAL, so we don't need to install NetFramework 2? Does the old version of WiFiFoFum have Windows Mobile 5 support?
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Previous version works on Universal, but you can't see all the screen in landscape mode. Since I use it once-in-a-blue-moon, I'm not worried by switching to portrait mode. But the loss of 5MB of main storage makes the latest version with .NET v.2 a non-starter!

Google Mobile for Windows Mobile! Released

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/index.php?action=expand,53715
Very nice.

Won't Install For Me

Goodbye Windows Live Search, I hardly knew ya.

with GPS support, very nice indeed. But does anyone know how to move GoogleMapsCache to storage card?

floats said:
Goodbye Windows Live Search, I hardly knew ya.
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I love windows Live search, I can't believe somethings better, guess I'll have to download google and give it a spin

cab downloads, but install is unsuccessful no matter if its from the storage card or device

It seems to install and work ok for me from my storage card. FWIW I'm running ROM 1.35.255.2.

BrotherNov said:
I love windows Live search, I can't believe somethings better, guess I'll have to download google and give it a spin
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I liked Windows Live Search a lot, but mainly because it just plain worked. The java midlet version of GMM was instable if it would even work at all. Google just works better. It also allows you to look up contacts and use them in your searches. Windows Live Search doesn't have that option. I'm sure future versions of Windows Live Search will up the ante and Google will, in turn, raise the bar even higher. Yay for competition.
FYI, I'm also running the SA 1.35 ROM and it installed without any issues. I just went to www.google.com/gmm and opened/ran the installer from there.

floats said:
I liked Windows Live Search a lot, but mainly because it just plain worked. The java midlet version of GMM was instable if it would even work at all. Google just works better. It also allows you to look up contacts and use them in your searches. Windows Live Search doesn't have that option. I'm sure future versions of Windows Live Search will up the ante and Google will, in turn, raise the bar even higher. Yay for competition.
FYI, I'm also running the SA 1.35 ROM and it installed without any issues. I just went to www.google.com/gmm and opened/ran the installer from there.
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Same rom, but no success, "cab installation unsuccessfull" message, even tryng to close ALL active processes

archive corrupted!

Install and all worked fine for me this morning. Maybe save it somewhere first... then try the install? (That's the method that worked for me.)

worked for me too

what about google talk for mobile ???

download the cab on ur PC, active sync and move it to your phone. Their OTA download is messed up.
I tried it a couple times and noticed the file sizes were different. the cab file should be approx 607k. I kept getting 300k when I was getting it over the air directly to my phone.
I went to www.google.com/gmm on my pc, got the wm5 version cab, put it on my phone and installed from my phone just fine.

It doesn't have hybrid map view (streets on the aerial pictures) which Live search has. Actually, live search feels a bit better to me still.

works fine copying the cab over for me on the Vario II, pretty neat.

phealy said:
It doesn't have hybrid map view (streets on the aerial pictures) which Live search has. Actually, live search feels a bit better to me still.
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sure it does, just hit Menu, Change View.
I cant get my Bluetooth GPS to work. After i hit track with GPS, it errors out and brings up some help file and talks about editing settings in the control panel if you have a BT gps, but i have no idea what its talking about.

what the heck. There's no detail at all for Japan, although google maps has the detail and so does the midlet version.
The midlet, however, can't do searches in Japanese which is why I was glad to try out this new thing.

wow, what a great app. i already used the java midlet before but that didn't work so good. this one does! even the satelite view is quite quick via umts!
the install was ok in one try. i used iexplorer on my tytn and went to the link www.google.com/gmm there i installed the cab file.

8YEight said:
wow, what a great app. i already used the java midlet before but that didn't work so good. this one does! even the satelite view is quite quick via umts!
the install was ok in one try. i used iexplorer on my tytn and went to the link www.google.com/gmm there i installed the cab file.
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Same here, works a treat.

new version of Esmertec Jbed (java manager) 20080222

here the latest java manager Esmertec Jbed 20080222
you can install it on SD card
and all your java game or java apps will go to SD card
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407667
enjoy

thankyou
thanks will try it

10x man .... god update ... an it`s work great form SD

Thanks for sharing this, exactly what I was looking for!

Thanks for sharing!

Is this the only link to this cab file?
I have been looking for hours for this file.
Thank you

Great!!! finally something that works from a sd card without tinkering with. By the way - it works to some degree on qtek 8500 with wm6 as well. I tried it with opera - no problem at all and great.
Bombus - the jabber client - problem!!! doesn't use all keys - direction and input. Other miscallenneous programs - input problem. To be expected though, it was made for different software.
Not a major problem though. The JRebeiro_EsmertecJbed3d works from sd card as well - install and just move the big exe somewhere and it will run ok. The files will be stored in the main memory though. To be exact in the appdb dir in windows folder.
I decided to keep the new version - for instance in bombus the text is actually written you just can't see it. if you switch the t9 on and carefully write your login, pass and server, you can even use it. However, it is only just usable, I don't really use it often, in favour of Agile, so I can live with it.

Never mind, I don't know what was worse my laziness or the stupidity of my question. Sorry for taking up threadspace

I don't have a SD card, how can I install it into main memory? Thanks.
Edit: found it, \Esmertec Java

Thanks! Great jobs!

also great for smartphone
great! I use it on SP3 (WM6) and O2 XDA Atom (WM6). but when we can have jbed with bluetooth?

problem with Opera 4.1 trusted release and this update
Is anyone having problems with this and Opera 4.1 trusted midlet? I am experiencing the following:
Everytime I try to use autocomplete and type an address, when I press a letter it repeatedly makes the same letter. Also using the fast scrolling feature with numbers 2, 4, 6, 8 does the same thing except for without the letters. It just keeps scrolling by itself! Any one else experiencing this and is there a way to fix this?

thank you!
is there bluetooth support? I mean to use it with bloover et other bluetooth software (like chat2u).
thanks again,
s

What do I have to do to be able to download on this board?
thx

Bachsau said:
What do I have to do to be able to download on this board?
thx
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Actually nothing else than clicking the link in the first post.

It's ok, it could download after first post.

I gave Java build 20080521.4.1 on my new sprint ROM for my Mogul.
Anyone know where I can get this as a .cab so I can install it into customs ROM's that I flash?

Installed this on an Axim X51v - doesn't run at all, from main memory or SD card. It just doesn't open at all. Any ideas?

new version available
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407667
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Thanks alot for posting this