Hi, I want to put a picture together of how many people bought what unit and why. I think this will help see if O2 have hurt their sales by delaying etc.
Im restricting it to the 2 airtime providers who currently sell it as I think this is most relevant (no Orange yet or voda).
I bought the Imate Jasjar. It is the only version available in the US. I have T-Mobile -US which does not support the universal/jasjar. I'm sure there are others who are in the US and don't have either of the companies you listed.
Sorry, this is mainly a UK Poll.
Is it worth collecting general statistics on global sales and reasons?
I know this seems like doing the phone companies work for them but if these stats prove there is a huge demand for the device in the US, and the carriers are missing out, maybe they will sell it?
My original idea was to see how badly O2 UK have hurt their sales by messing people around recently.
No option for me.
I bought a JASJAR with a Voda contract in the UK.
Yeah, I wanted to keep it simple, If i included all the possible options it would be huge.
Do people want a large questionair?
I could put to gether a list of sensible questions that would gather great stats, but do people want to spend the time filling it all in?
i prefer the Black colour, that's so cool~~~~
I want something silver and pink. Pink. Pink. Pink.
Hence t-mobile MDA Pro.
Colour matters! Pink~
I have gone for the O2 XDA Exec on Business 250 plus Data36 (will use WiFi for data most of the time) from Mobileshop.
I am moving to 02 from Orange after many years for the following reasons:
1, Orange are messing with devices more and more like my P910i and the Nokia 6680 (no active standby, realplayer hidden).
2, O2 make it easy to remove their custom O2 Active stuff.
3, Orange very rarely do any firmware updates.
4, O2 appear to be very comitted to the XDA range and do release updates.
5, 12 month contract, not the 18 months T-Mobile want.
6, O2 have better 3G coverage than T-Mobile.
7, And the Exec is Black.
Is that it guys? no more votes?
O2 because Tmobile doesn't have reception where I live. No option available on vote though.
When are Orange going to wake up.. M5000 is
a) late
b) data charges are more expensive than O2
c) device will actually cost more that the *already out* XDA Exec.
I have loyalty to orange.. but the price difference and delays are too much.
Besides which I have 900 business user im wanting to put on and to be honest.. which one I use for my personal use will prolly be the same I as Instruct my company to buy.
Get off your ar$e orange.. Your the slowest and most expensive in the pack. Why in hells name would a business want to go with you even with existing loyalty when its like this.
And the orange price promise seemed to go out of the window years ago. It should now read "We'll copy any tariff that's pretty expensive and come up with 1001 excuses not to match any that you may want."
the m5000 is available in france, and not very expensive :
700 € without any subscription....
Aye bud..
Its so bloody annoying.. I actually prefer working and developing with Orange but the Account manager is useless and never returns calls or emails(previous one on maternity leave was better).
Promises have been broken time and again on released date (anyone remember when they said it would be ready the 2nd of Sept 2005 lol).
If Imate, 02 and t mobile can get it right.. WTF are Orange playing at.
The current tariff structure is near archaic – 3G on orange is really expense.. This idea of downloading a music video or a powerpoint slide on 3G just makes me want laugh… yeah if you want to spend 16 pounds on one song..
it begin to be interesting with orange, for example, TV is without limit every week end ...
another potential problem with the Orange M5000.... IT MIGHT HAVE WI-FI DISABLED :!:
I was reading about the different models during the past few weeks before I finnally gave up and bought my xda Exec last week.
What I gathered from specialised sites was that Orange was considering disabeling the Wi-Fi capabilities of the M5000. a very stupid move i might add.....
In any case I went into an Orange shop early last week and enquired about the matter (and soon gave up due to the 'highly' knowledgable staff :roll: ) - the guy claimed that he was SURE that its not disabled - the person there showed me the info on Orange's intranet - and it actually has a remark there regrding the Wi-Fi capability of the device - that it "is up to the discretion" of the mobile operator....
I have no vested interst here - all I'm saying is - take care and make sure it has Wi-Fi b4 u buy it!
Shhh that is serious.. can anyone confirm that the Orange M5000 does or doesnt have WiFi?
It has WIfi
Regards
Stu
Stu,
What was in the box? Did it get the spare battery as promised? What s/w is installed in the ROM and did you get an more on CD? What version is the ROM?
Yes it's true people. Check this web link to get the number to call them! or call 150 and ask for upgrades if your with T-Mobile already. They only have 350 in stock at the moment, so hurry.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6161.html
Mine's coming tomorrow!
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Yes it's true people. Check this web link to get the number to call them! or call 150 and ask for upgrades if your with T-Mobile already. They only have 350 in stock at the moment, so hurry.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6161.html
Mine's coming tomorrow!
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Yes, i can confirm that is true!!!!!! Nice, english ROM is comming soon.
But here is the bad news, you can only get the T-mobile Ameo with contract, which is £50 pounds upward, nothing less, and it's lock to T-mobile UK as well. I have ask them whether we can just buy the machine without contact in the future, they say no, they won't sell it without the contract. And it will all be lock to T-mobile UK as well.
So i guess for people who don't want to sign up contract or do not live in UK, HTC Advantage and DOPOD U1000 is your only choose.
BTW, mackaby007, HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOURS IS COMMING
do you mind telling us how much you pay? did you do a upgrade or sign up another contract? what do you have to pay per month?
English ROM coming soon...
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Yes, i can confirm that is true!!!!!! Nice, english ROM is comming soon.
But here is the bad news, you can only get the T-mobile Ameo with contract, which is £50 pounds upward, nothing less, and it's lock to T-mobile UK as well. I have ask them whether we can just buy the machine without contact in the future, they say no, they won't sell it without the contract. And it will all be lock to T-mobile UK as well.
So i guess for people who don't want to sign up contract or do not live in UK, HTC Advantage and DOPOD U1000 is your only choose.
BTW, mackaby007, HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOURS IS COMMING
do you mind telling us how much you pay? did you do a upgrade or sign up another contract? what do you have to pay per month?
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Hi Wu. Thanks.
Went for the upgrade, low tariff costs about 12.50 per month, but even on higher tariff, the price of the unit remains the same £389.99 Not exactly cheap, but cheaper for me than any other option.
As for it being locked, it's only a matter of time before the gurus on this site get a simunlock.exe together (not that I personally need it at the moment as I'm with T-Mob anyway).
My wife and I went for the Flex 50 anyway as she wants more minutes etc and I want the device, so everyones happy.
As for the English ROM, need someone like Pof to give me instructions on how to extract it for everyone else. I'll PM him if no one else comes forward to resolve this, but I haven't got the Ameo in my hands yet...tomorrow.
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Yes, i can confirm that is true!!!!!! Nice, english ROM is comming soon.
But here is the bad news, you can only get the T-mobile Ameo with contract, which is £50 pounds upward, nothing less, and it's lock to T-mobile UK as well. I have ask them whether we can just buy the machine without contact in the future, they say no, they won't sell it without the contract. And it will all be lock to T-mobile UK as well.
So i guess for people who don't want to sign up contract or do not live in UK, HTC Advantage and DOPOD U1000 is your only choose.
BTW, mackaby007, HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOURS IS COMMING
do you mind telling us how much you pay? did you do a upgrade or sign up another contract? what do you have to pay per month?
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Thats right! Unfortunately only on contract. Body is just like dopod except silverish right?
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Thats right! Unfortunately only on contract. Body is just like dopod except silverish right?
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no it's a bit different, but not that much
We need english ROM asap. Pls., help us.
I must say if you are not going for upgrades, so you sign up a new contract to get Ameo, it's rather expensive......don't understand why the minimum contract is £50 for Ameo, (even you have to pay more on device) some people just don't make that much call..
I forgot to ask whether is a 1 year contract or 2 years,
1 year contract: 12x50=600 ------->Can buy you a Athena
2 year contract: 24x50=1200------->Can buy you 2 Athena
Hopefully they will adjust their policy in the future.
btw, i think the info i heard from T-mobile is a bit un-true, i heard a few different version now, so i suggest people who want to sign up contract with them double check by phoning them. Once thing remain true is Athena will not be available unlock and without contract. (unlocking shouldn't be a problem in the future by the way)
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I must say if you are not going for upgrades, so you sign up a new contract to get Ameo, it's rather expensive......don't understand why the minimum contract is £50 for Ameo, (even you have to pay more on device) some people just don't make that much call..
I forgot to ask whether is a 1 year contract or 2 years,
1 year contract: 12x50=600 ------->Can buy you a Athena
2 year contract: 24x50=1200------->Can buy you 2 Athena
Hopefully they will adjust their policy in the future.
btw, i think the info i heard from T-mobile is a bit un-true, i heard a few different version now, so i suggest people who want to sign up contract with them double check by phoning them. Once thing remain true is Athena will not be available unlock and without contract. (unlocking shouldn't be a problem in the future by the way)
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There is a lot of stuff going around about T-Mobiles pricing. My cousin just ordered his one and he had no contract with them. He paid £309.99 and got an 18 month contract on Flext 25 + Web n Walk @ £7.50 pm.
So he's paying £32.50 (£585.00) + £310.00 for device = £895.00 with lots of minutes and 3GB download limit for each month!
HTC want £700.00+ just for the phone! If you live in the UK, the choice is an obvious one, but for outside of UK, I would recommend the Dopod and apply the English ROM when its available (soon) = £600.00 + shipping.
UK people bear in mind, that T-Mobiles aggressive pricing always comes down after just a few weeks due to popular demand etc. So if you can wait...you will get it cheaper for sure.
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There is a lot of stuff going around about T-Mobiles pricing. My cousin just ordered his one and he had no contract with them. He paid £309.99 and got an 18 month contract on Flext 25 + Web n Walk @ £7.50 pm.
So he's paying £32.50 (£585.00) + £310.00 for device = £895.00 with lots of minutes and 3GB download limit for each month!
HTC want £700.00+ just for the phone! If you live in the UK, the choice is an obvious one, but for outside of UK, I would recommend the Dopod and apply the English ROM when its available (soon) = £600.00 + shipping.
UK people bear in mind, that T-Mobiles aggressive pricing always comes down after just a few weeks due to popular demand etc. So if you can wait...you will get it cheaper for sure.
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yes, agree with you there, only consider the HTC Advantage if you really want the black one. UK people should consider T-mobile Ameo if you don't mind signing up a contract with them, the rest should then consider Dopod u1000 since it's English ROM is comming very soon.
Nice Today screen
@Wu.
BTW I saw a screenshot of your Today screen today. Lovely mate!
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Once thing remain true is Athena will not be available unlock and without contract. (unlocking shouldn't be a problem in the future by the way)
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In Holland it is available without contract.
Good news for anybody else...perhaps...
OK more on T-Mobile pricing:
I believe most people can get the Ameo for considerably less than I did. Because I get half price line rental (staff & family discounts), I don't really spend that much on bills and as a result T-Mobile don't value my custom as much as another who spends considerably more than those with discounts on their bills!
Fair enough I suppose. If you look around (away from T-Mobile) you can pick one up for less than £180.00 and less.
So it boils down to how much you already spend with T-Mobile or how much they are likely to make out of you. The more they get, the cheaper you get the device for.
Hope that helps some of you.
Can't use T-Mobile - unfortunately
Desperate to switch from my Universal but alas T-Mobile coverage is next to useless in SW Scotland. I have to wait until Vodafone bring out a version. Anyone have any informed opinion when this might happen?
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Desperate to switch from my Universal but alas T-Mobile coverage is next to useless in SW Scotland. I have to wait until Vodafone bring out a version. Anyone have any informed opinion when this might happen?
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Vodafone will "not" bring out this phone, only available as T-mobile, Dopod u1000 and HTC Advantage
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Vodafone will "not" bring out this phone, only available as T-mobile, Dopod u1000 and HTC Advantage
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Actually, I have been informed that whilst it was stated that it was only coming to these 3, that Vodafone and Orange will be getting in on the action later on in the year. But I have no proof of this only hearsay from certain people in the know. Call it 'Speculation' for some, but hopeful to others.
Let's face it, HTC are in business for the money. It seems only prudent for them to manufacturer the X7500 to a broader consumer platform, i.e. Service Providers. And judging by most of their other models, the other SP's do supply their own branded version of other HTC products.
It's only logical in the long term. After the initial hype, I too reckon other SP's will get in on the act.
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Actually, I have been informed that whilst it was stated that it was only coming to these 3, that Vodafone and Orange will be getting in on the action later on in the year. But I have no proof of this only hearsay from certain people in the know. Call it 'Speculation' for some, but hopeful to others.
Let's face it, HTC are in business for the money. It seems only prudent for them to manufacturer the X7500 to a broader consumer platform, i.e. Service Providers. And judging by most of their other models, the other SP's do supply their own branded version of other HTC products.
It's only logical in the long term. After the initial hype, I too reckon other SP's will get in on the act.
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Actually, i can confirm T-mobile will be the only provider to get this phone. I heard this from Ofiicial HTC people, you see, HTC has now change, they want to sell their device under their own name, they want to become a nokia as well, so this device will only be provided by T-mobile, not other provider in UK. This is exactly what HTC wanted to do, for you to buy their machine under their own name, which is HTC Advantage. Of course, you also have the DOPOD U1000.
This policy has just been recently introduce, so if their sales drop and anything bad happen, they will go back to the original marketing mode, which is provide their device to as many provider as possible. But for now, and at least for this year, this is their policy.
So don't wait for Vodafone, O2, or any other provider to come out this device, 95% it won't happen.
Sorry to let some people down, but i feel like you should know the fact.
wu5262 said:
Actually, i can confirm T-mobile will be the only provider to get this phone. I heard this from Ofiicial HTC people, you see, HTC has now change, they want to sell their device under their own name, they want to become a nokia as well, so this device will only be provided by T-mobile, not other provider in UK. This is exactly what HTC wanted to do, for you to buy their machine under their own name, which is HTC Advantage. Of course, you also have the DOPOD U1000.
This policy has just been recently introduce, so if their sales drop and anything bad happen, they will go back to the original marketing mode, which is provide their device to as many provider as possible. But for now, and at least for this year, this is their policy.
So don't wait for Vodafone, O2, or any other provider to come out this device, 95% it won't happen.
Sorry to let some people down, but i feel like you should know the fact.
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Wu...what are you still doing up? Go to sleep now. Haha..only kidding mate!! Well I'm glad you put that bit of 'Speculation/hope' to rest. I'll take your word for it....I think your direct link to HTC is considerably more reliable than my sources here in the UK.
Right..signing off for the night...early bird catches the postman.lol.
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Wu...what are you still doing up? Go to sleep now. Haha..only kidding mate!! Well I'm glad you put that bit of 'Speculation/hope' to rest. I'll take your word for it....I think your direct link to HTC is considerably more reliable than my sources here in the UK.
Right..signing off for the night...early bird catches the postman.lol.
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Yes, me going bed now as well now. You wanna know why i stay up so late? I accidentally change a registry which cause my machine a blank screen. No matter what i do, it won't load it up again, even soft restart.....so hard it is then.
That's what i was been doing until now, reinstall and setting up everything again. Anyway, it's now back to shape again.
Looking forward to hear your device tomorrow.
Got Mine This Morning!!
Sorry to hear that Wu. Did You get it all sorted now? Don't you have good backup software? PM me.
Anyway I got mine today....beautiful. Just charging it now. Gonna go exchange my Micro SD for a Mini SD Card now.
See photo here:
http://www.4winmobile.com/viewtopic.php?p=54709#54709
Later.
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Sorry to hear that Wu. Did You get it all sorted now? Don't you have good backup software? PM me.
Anyway I got mine today....beautiful. Just charging it now. Gonna go exchange my Micro SD for a Mini SD Card now.
See photo here:
http://www.4winmobile.com/viewtopic.php?p=54709#54709
Later.
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yes, everything is sorted, nice to hear you got yours
I am off to meet one of the member here now to hand in his DOPOD U1000 !
btw, i didn't backup anything, sooo haha, that's why it took my whole night to get it back
THinking of getting the DHD on my network Orange when i'm due for an upgrade in October and i was wondering if it will actually be available? Does anyone know what the flagship network will be?
Please don't say o2 lol, i hate those buggers.
As far as I know, Vodafone is going to be the "flagship". HTC seemed to be bigging them up a lot at the launch event.
Orange and T-Mobile are getting the phone too, but they didn't get a mention.
O2 so far aren't even getting the phone at all!
3rd party online stores are offering the HD on T-Mobile, Orange, O2 and Vodafone...always best to get from a 3rd party as to not get a crap branded handset!!
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3rd party online stores are offering the HD on T-Mobile, Orange, O2 and Vodafone...always best to get from a 3rd party as to not get a crap branded handset!!
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Yep, that's what I did with my TP2 and is what I'm doing with my HD
I have it ordered from a 3rd party on Vodafone. I wonder because it will be the first shipment will it have all the Vodafone crap on it or touch wood it will be sim free ??
Depends where you get it from and whether you're first shipment or not.
When I ordered my TP2 from mobilephonesdirect I was first shipment and Voda didn't even have theirs yet - so I got an unbranded one.
I don't know if somewhere down the line Voda got their stock and MPD started selling from Voda stock rather than sim-free stock...
I expect at this stage all stock that doesn't come direct from an operator will be unbranded and sim-free.
I ordered it from here immediately once they started taking orders so i should be in the first shipment - http://www.mobiles.co.uk/htc-desire-hd.html
Here's hoping its sim free then m8
I've just sent Orange an email asking about a release date. I'll post back when I hear something.
I never use a 3rd Party. Insurance is 6.00 a month on Orange. They replace the phone the next day usually no questions asked.
If you buy 3rd party you cannot insure your phone direct. You end up paying about 10.00 a month then if you want to claim they try everything to get out of helping you.
In my experience always buy direct. I know the branding is a pain. Custom Roms get rid of the bloatware. A small badge you can put up with.
If you buy a 3rd party phone the main operator will always tell you to contact who you bought your phone from if there's a fault.
That's where you will start having problems.
Sent from my HTC Hero
I phoned Vodafone about my TP2 when I got it asking if I can have insurance put on through Vodafone rather than via the reseller and they said "Yep no problem" and put it on for me! Not had to use it, but just saying...
That's good maybe it's just Orange. I got a phone from Phones 4 you years ago and Orange wouldn't touch me on insurance. I just like to deal direct because I get really good loyalty discounts.
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I know what you mean. When I upgraded from my K800i to my TyTNII Orange were really really great at giving me a good deal.
I actually used to work for Orange about 4 years ago, and I still have a warm place in my heart.
I'm defecting to T-Mobile this time so I can take advantage of Everything Everywhere, makes me feel like I'm getting closer to Orange again.
Orange Care was by and large one of the best aspects of their service. I used it on my old SPV M2000 which I crushed on the day I got it by tripping over a rope fence. Problem I had was that they had none to replace it with so I got stuck with an SEP910i - which was no replacement for the M2000. There was a big scandal about it and the media got involved and in the end I got a brand new M2000.
I would have stuck with Orange for my TP2, but it was going to take a couple of months for it to be available on Orange whereas I could get it on Vodafone instantly, and I was so fed up with my TyTN II that I begrudgingly jumped ship. Not that Vodafone have caused me any problems. Orange just had a bit more of a personal touch. Vodafone is very corporate and don't seem as 'fun' as Orange are.
My work Treo Pro is on Vodafone anyway, so it's no loss
Wow, I ended up talking a lot there.
Orange are not ideal as they tend to mess with the handset too much for my liking. I did mention this in another thread but orange don't seem to have any information on DHD, one of the sell reps even suggested they might not even get it at all!!
mobilphonesdirect.com are quite good they have confirmed handset will be sim free and are offering the cheapest deals. Ordered mine today expected to get it on he 7th October, wait and see.
I'm pretty sure orange will get it since they're merged with T-Mobile. I read that they'll be rebranding around 2012 too. I can't imagine orange not getting it, it would be a mistake on their part in my opinion.
I've been with o2 now for about 8 years and to be honest I can't fault their service. However, noticing they won't be offering the Desire HD (I have a Desire at the moment) I have been looking around, and notice t-mobile will be doing some pretty good deals. That, coupled with the recent news you can now use Orange's network, makes it all the more tempting. My question though, being a t-mobile noob, is will they slap a 't-mobile' logo somewhere on the phone? Would much rather have one with no branding but if that's what you have to accept to get an awesome phone and a considerably lower bill.. I'll take the plunge. Apols if this is mentioned elsewhere.
Cheers in advance
amczee
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I've been with o2 now for about 8 years and to be honest I can't fault their service. However, noticing they won't be offering the Desire HD (I have a Desire at the moment) I have been looking around, and notice t-mobile will be doing some pretty good deals. That, coupled with the recent news you can now use Orange's network, makes it all the more tempting. My question though, being a t-mobile noob, is will they slap a 't-mobile' logo somewhere on the phone? Would much rather have one with no branding but if that's what you have to accept to get an awesome phone and a considerably lower bill.. I'll take the plunge. Apols if this is mentioned elsewhere.
Cheers in advance
amczee
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I very much doubt there will be branding on the phone itself, like 99 percent no... But if you buy direct from tmob you might have a crappy t-mobile rom on the phone, always best to buy offline or contract at carphone warehouse, or online with mobiles.co.uk or mobilephonesdirect.co.uk
JD
The ROM I can deal with, don't intend to keep the stock ROM going for long but thanks, will check those sites out
I'm 99% sure their won't be any logo. Bought desire from them and there were no markings at all, unlike Vodafone and orange. Only when you boot up the phone then T-Mobile logo appears which is the norm for all network issued mobiles. If you don't even want that then try mobilephonesdirect.com who issue unlocked mobiles with their contracts.
Why do you not get it through this site as they are offering it on O2 if you want to stay with them -
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/HTC/b509/n442/p83978.aspx#tabsAnchor
If they say you cant do an upgrade change your number onto a PAYG sim and then port the number across
The regular Desire from T-mobile didn't get any hardware branding. So I assume the Desire HD will be the same
There were only light software branding such as a w'n'w icon on the internet and some deleteable bookmarks.
I am getting an upgrade from tmobile but to be sure i am gettign the DHD via Carphone Warehouse to ensure that it is unlocked/brand free.
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The regular Desire from T-mobile didn't get any hardware branding. So I assume the Desire HD will be the same
There were only light software branding such as a w'n'w icon on the internet and some deleteable bookmarks.
I am getting an upgrade from tmobile but to be sure i am gettign the DHD via Carphone Warehouse to ensure that it is unlocked/brand free.
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The only thing branded if anything will be the ROM
JD