Hi, I want to put a picture together of how many people bought what unit and why. I think this will help see if O2 have hurt their sales by delaying etc.
Im restricting it to the 2 airtime providers who currently sell it as I think this is most relevant (no Orange yet or voda).
I bought the Imate Jasjar. It is the only version available in the US. I have T-Mobile -US which does not support the universal/jasjar. I'm sure there are others who are in the US and don't have either of the companies you listed.
Sorry, this is mainly a UK Poll.
Is it worth collecting general statistics on global sales and reasons?
I know this seems like doing the phone companies work for them but if these stats prove there is a huge demand for the device in the US, and the carriers are missing out, maybe they will sell it?
My original idea was to see how badly O2 UK have hurt their sales by messing people around recently.
No option for me.
I bought a JASJAR with a Voda contract in the UK.
Yeah, I wanted to keep it simple, If i included all the possible options it would be huge.
Do people want a large questionair?
I could put to gether a list of sensible questions that would gather great stats, but do people want to spend the time filling it all in?
i prefer the Black colour, that's so cool~~~~
I want something silver and pink. Pink. Pink. Pink.
Hence t-mobile MDA Pro.
Colour matters! Pink~
I have gone for the O2 XDA Exec on Business 250 plus Data36 (will use WiFi for data most of the time) from Mobileshop.
I am moving to 02 from Orange after many years for the following reasons:
1, Orange are messing with devices more and more like my P910i and the Nokia 6680 (no active standby, realplayer hidden).
2, O2 make it easy to remove their custom O2 Active stuff.
3, Orange very rarely do any firmware updates.
4, O2 appear to be very comitted to the XDA range and do release updates.
5, 12 month contract, not the 18 months T-Mobile want.
6, O2 have better 3G coverage than T-Mobile.
7, And the Exec is Black.
Is that it guys? no more votes?
O2 because Tmobile doesn't have reception where I live. No option available on vote though.
Related
When are Orange going to wake up.. M5000 is
a) late
b) data charges are more expensive than O2
c) device will actually cost more that the *already out* XDA Exec.
I have loyalty to orange.. but the price difference and delays are too much.
Besides which I have 900 business user im wanting to put on and to be honest.. which one I use for my personal use will prolly be the same I as Instruct my company to buy.
Get off your ar$e orange.. Your the slowest and most expensive in the pack. Why in hells name would a business want to go with you even with existing loyalty when its like this.
And the orange price promise seemed to go out of the window years ago. It should now read "We'll copy any tariff that's pretty expensive and come up with 1001 excuses not to match any that you may want."
the m5000 is available in france, and not very expensive :
700 € without any subscription....
Aye bud..
Its so bloody annoying.. I actually prefer working and developing with Orange but the Account manager is useless and never returns calls or emails(previous one on maternity leave was better).
Promises have been broken time and again on released date (anyone remember when they said it would be ready the 2nd of Sept 2005 lol).
If Imate, 02 and t mobile can get it right.. WTF are Orange playing at.
The current tariff structure is near archaic – 3G on orange is really expense.. This idea of downloading a music video or a powerpoint slide on 3G just makes me want laugh… yeah if you want to spend 16 pounds on one song..
it begin to be interesting with orange, for example, TV is without limit every week end ...
another potential problem with the Orange M5000.... IT MIGHT HAVE WI-FI DISABLED :!:
I was reading about the different models during the past few weeks before I finnally gave up and bought my xda Exec last week.
What I gathered from specialised sites was that Orange was considering disabeling the Wi-Fi capabilities of the M5000. a very stupid move i might add.....
In any case I went into an Orange shop early last week and enquired about the matter (and soon gave up due to the 'highly' knowledgable staff :roll: ) - the guy claimed that he was SURE that its not disabled - the person there showed me the info on Orange's intranet - and it actually has a remark there regrding the Wi-Fi capability of the device - that it "is up to the discretion" of the mobile operator....
I have no vested interst here - all I'm saying is - take care and make sure it has Wi-Fi b4 u buy it!
Shhh that is serious.. can anyone confirm that the Orange M5000 does or doesnt have WiFi?
It has WIfi
Regards
Stu
Stu,
What was in the box? Did it get the spare battery as promised? What s/w is installed in the ROM and did you get an more on CD? What version is the ROM?
Hi All,
I am an O2 customer in the UK and as they were the original company to bring the XDA concept to us, why have they chosen to not release the XDA Trion in the UK? I am well aware it is out in Germany but why not here? Have they got too many XDA Mini S units in stock or what?
If anyone can shed some light on this, please do, what have they kept up their sleeve? Is there something better on the way already?
I look forward to your comments and thanks for the feedback.
I just had a call from o2 for business following my email to them of when they expected the Trion to be released in the UK, and the rep said that there were no plans to release it in the UK at all.
So, how are they going to compete with T mobile who not only are going to release it over here, but also have a great data tariff in Flext with web n walk?
Orange, who are already offering it, and vodafone who already have it apparently!
I have been with O2 since the Genie days, and have been reasonably happy with them up until recently. Probably round the time they were bought out.
Bizarre!
They didn't do the XDA Neo either. :roll:
Maybe they have something better up their sleeves?
Well Voda and T-Mobile has HSDPA but O2 don't so perhaps this the reason why. However it does seem a bit odd given the amount of effort O2 made over the XDA Exec.
O2 tend to have a yearly lifecycle on their XDA's whereas the other SP's tend to release as and when. Bearing this in mind and the fact that the Mini S and Exec have only been out for 8 and 9 months respectively, I wouldn't expect to see a new device from O2 until November/December.
Interesting point on the product life cycle. I have heard that O2 are seriously looking at releasing the HP Ipaq 6915, so maybe that is why they have steered clear of the Trion for now. Also I do not like the look of the HTC TyTn or the Vodafone V1605 compared with the Orange SPV M3100 and Trion. The button configuration on the latter two is more pleasing to the eye. So if I want one I have to go for the "ugly" one as I have a great deal from O2!!! I wish we could get the Dopod 838 pro here, subsidised on contract!!!
I just had an interesting conversation with O2 business regarding the release of the XDA Trion in the UK.
First person I spoke to told me that the Trion was not on the 15 week schedule of new phones releases so it definately wouldn't be released in that time.
So I phoned a different number at O2 and was told that the Trion is expected sometime late August or September??!!! I told the man what I had previously been told by the other rep and he says that is rubbish and that the unit is currently being tested by the testing unit prior to it's UK release!
So it seems the phone is coming to the UK...but I bet if I call a third person at O2 they will tell me something completely different...*sigh*
Why dont these people sing from the same hymnsheet?
Anyone heard any different news on the Trion's UK release date (if ever?)??
Al
You are right there. They have no idea what they are doing. Someone I spoke to said it is for America only. I said O2 have a network in America, she says yes, not checked, but I didn't think so. I said so why is out in Germany? You must be mistaken sir, must be.
I asked about HSDPA, and they checked with network services who said it is not being released by O2 as it offers very little extra bandwidth over 3G. I said I think you should ask them to check that.
I am on such a stonking tariff, I do not want leave O2, so here's hopeing the Trion turns up, otherwise I will have to conisder the P990i.
Yes Sunnychad, they dont have a clue. I really want this phone and am on a mission to find out the truth about UK release or not. See what you can find out at your end too.
Al
I spoke to someone in retentions about leaving as I wanted to move to a network that has the equivalent of the Trion and is offering HSDPA too. She put me on hold after telling me I was a select customer etc. Came back to say it is on the cards but there is no confirmed release date as the Trion is still in testing etc. I said OK. She then said there is something else coming called the O2 Jet. I am also aware that O2 are releasing the HP HW6915.
Also just found this link. I wonder what this handset is.
http://www.tatsdiy.com/
Anyone?
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Also just found this link. I wonder what this handset is.
http://www.tatsdiy.com/
Anyone?
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This is an O2 xda Atom Exec:
http://www.seeo2.com/product/XdaAtomExec/template/Product.vm
It is manufactured by Quanta, not HTC:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Atom_Exec
I think you are mistaken.
There are pictures of 2 phones, one is referred to as New XDA and has a camera on the front panel, therefore 3G.
The other is of the XDA Atom Exec in a state of disrepair. Have another look and let me have you thoughts.
Thanks
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There are pictures of 2 phones, one is referred to as New XDA and has a camera on the front panel, therefore 3G.
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oh! you're right, haven't noticed the camara on first picture before.
don't know which one is it :?
Thanks Sunnychad. Both the O2 Jet and Atom Exec are not phones I'd want. Desperate to have th O2 Trion, just love it's look and feel and want to stay with O2. Please can you keep me posted regarding anything you hear about it's UK release?
Thanks
Al :wink:
Email just recieved....
I've just recieved an email from O2 re. the release of the Tytn, doesn't look good....
"Thank you for your email.
Sorry for the delay in responding, I can confirm that the Xda Trion is not going to be released in the UK, this device is to be sold overseas only. I can only apologise for the mis-leading information provided by customer services, the device as you have stated has been released in Germany, although I am also unsure if it has been released anywhere else. There will be future PPC / WM devices in the future, however as yet we are unable to ascertain what these devices will be and also when they will be released.
My apologies we cannot assist further, however If you have any further problems, please don’t hesitate to contact us.
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I've just recieved an email from O2 re. the release of the Tytn, doesn't look good....
"Thank you for your email.
Sorry for the delay in responding, I can confirm that the Xda Trion is not going to be released in the UK, this device is to be sold overseas only. I can only apologise for the mis-leading information provided by customer services, the device as you have stated has been released in Germany, although I am also unsure if it has been released anywhere else. There will be future PPC / WM devices in the future, however as yet we are unable to ascertain what these devices will be and also when they will be released.
My apologies we cannot assist further, however If you have any further problems, please don’t hesitate to contact us.
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But are we to believe this latest reponse when the tesing team are actually 'testing' the Trion for the UK now?
Wouldn't take too much from that. You know, I think we just have to wait and see as O2 can't give us anything solid to go by.
Al
O2 UK are not releasing the Trion.
Dave, I don't think anyone can comment about it's release for sure as I've been told by the media dept. at O2 that they are testing the unit for general release in the UK. Also Ive been told by a shop (unbelievable I know) that it is to be released. As well as being told completely conflicting info by other sources.
We'll see.
Al
Is the Hermes provided by T-Mobile the same as Vodafone's in the UK? I'm with T-Mobile now (on a Wizard) and going to upgrade soon, but may switch providers if I get a better deal. The website descriptions have never been reliable, where some features are not mentioned or listed wrongly.
Yes they are, but why would you want to switch, the T-mobile tariffs seem so much better at the moment, especially with Web 'n' Walk!
Well they seem better on paper, but I've found when you call and say you want to switch they sometimes give you a better offer than the standard ones available. Equally someone you are thinking of switching to may give you a better offer than what's available on the websites.
I think the phones are the same, or can be made the same if you flash a new ROM.
If you are (or will be) a heavy wireless user then the T-mobile deal is probably the best. Try playing the game with Vodafone and also tell T-mobile that VOD have offerred a great deal for you (based on phone upgrade, contract length, cost of services etc) and see if what they come up with.
As for phone service quality - I've never really had much trouble with either provider in the UK, but this is mostly in built up areas - also if you travel, VOD definately works well for me overseas EVERYWHERE (but company pays).
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Well they seem better on paper, but I've found when you call and say you want to switch they sometimes give you a better offer than the standard ones available. Equally someone you are thinking of switching to may give you a better offer than what's available on the websites.
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Thanks for the advice
I've switched from Vodafone to T-Mobile... their customer retentions advisor admitted they had no way to match T-Mobile.
vodafone's customer service and pricing has gone down hill over the last few years, hence i changed to tmobile - who have been great and far cheaper, especially with web'n'walk/web'n'walk+.
i'm fairly sure that someone told me vodafone have recently taken picture messaging out of their bundles of texts/data, if that's your thing.
@agentp
That's true, MMS were removed from their all inclusive tariff since Sept 06.
They did offer me the V1605 as a free upgrade to remain with them and I got to keep my £25pm tariff.
I have since zapped it with the new WM6 roms that have been released here probably voiding any warranty and using it with an O2 sim.
@ kkhalil76
As already mentioned - the phones are identical in hardware terms and differ only cosmetically. I would probably say that Voda has a better network but T-mobile appear to offer better tariffs and there's nothing wrong with playing one network off against another.
Well in comparison i today signed up for a new contract with tmobile......web'n'walk is the deal breaker for me.
O2 shall be getting a call on monday for my pac code.
Also i get a free phone for the mrs.......................once its unlocked
i have an unlocked vodafone from UK. the v1605 is cosmetically similar to the HTC tytn save some branding here n there.
i personally prefer the current button layout than the t-mobile version (due to stubby fingers) hehe!
Hi guys
Went to 02 shop today in Chester to see if any news: The staff hadnt even heard of the X1.
Went round the corner to Vodafone expecting the same thing but imagine my suprise when I was told it was in stock. Within 30 minutes I had purchased my new X1!
Yet to have a proper play but smaller and lighter than I imagined.
Andrew
Locked or unlocked?
5th of November...
Thats when most dutch shops should have the Xperia. Atleast my local Belcompany store will have it..
Branded or not?
From the pics posted on other forums, it's branded, but not that big a deal.
http://www.nullpacket.co.uk/X1_1.JPG
http://www.nullpacket.co.uk/X1_2.JPG
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Branded or not?
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Zaim2 said:
From the pics posted on other forums, it's branded, but not that big a deal.
http://www.nullpacket.co.uk/X1_1.JPG
http://www.nullpacket.co.uk/X1_2.JPG
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Thanks for the photos, but apart from the appearence the big question is if they have messed up with the rom.
Now we see where the dealy has come from! Making all the crap boxes and literature to acompany the naf Vodafone logos phone with its bloated Vodafone crappy ROM.
When will service providers learn its not what the end user wants?!?!?!
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Hi guys
Went to 02 shop today in Chester to see if any news: The staff hadnt even heard of the X1.
Went round the corner to Vodafone expecting the same thing but imagine my suprise when I was told it was in stock. Within 30 minutes I had purchased my new X1!
Yet to have a proper play but smaller and lighter than I imagined.
Andrew
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weird, I went into the vf store in chester yesterday and they only had the dummy phone in, that was about 11.30, they didn't know when they were having a delivery but guessed it would be tuesday,they must have had a delivery after I left, you jammy git .
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Now we see where the dealy has come from! Making all the crap boxes and literature to acompany the naf Vodafone logos phone with its bloated Vodafone crappy ROM.
When will service providers learn its not what the end user wants?!?!?!
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The two pictures of the Vodafone X1 above were taken by me yesterday. I really don't think they've messed with it much at all branding-wise. The Vodafone logo is black and doesn't stick out like the red one would have, an unbranded X1 just has "X1" written in that space, so it's not a huge change.
They've pre-loaded a few 'applications' which are mainly links to open Vodafone Live and their data-powered GPS site. Apart from that and a few bookmarks in Opera/PIE, I don't see too much to complain about, it still has the HTC apps like the streaming media player, sim manager, A-GPS data downloader, etc.
The Google panel is called the Vodafone panel, but the only real change I think is the inclusion of a few link to the Vodafone Live site and Mobile TV (streaming 3G video from Vodafone).
Difficult choice, Vodafone definitely in stock, but their 12 month contracts are rubbish:
http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/mobile-phones/pay-monthly/sony-ericsson/X1/
But T-Mobile just said they will definitely get it, but have no date yet.
Went to Vodafone and had a look at the dummy model, its tiny! I was expecting it to be bigger The keys are not too easy to type on. I had a look at a silver dummy and I really liked it, they had no stock of black or silver just the silver dummy.
They also dont sell it sim free but that dont matter as they had none in stock anyway!
I'm in a quandry as my local Vf shop is offering just the phone for £350-400! They have some on delivery tomorrow and I'm wondering wether to reserve one. My problem is that
I'm 9 months into an 18 month contract (T-mobile Flext) and so I cannot use a locked phone. Does anyone know whether the Vodafone Xperia's are locked or not?
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Does anyone know whether the Vodafone Xperia's are locked or not?
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Pretty sure Vodafone stopped locking all phones 12 months ago. Anyway my Vodafone X1 has just accepted my Orange Wednesday SIM so you should be in luck
They have them in stock in carphonewarehouse as well both on o2 and orange. This was in the brent cross shopping centre one that is though. Not too small and not too big just the right size got mine coming soon too. Although the salesman was pretty stupid saying not to buy it and was trying to sell me the blackberry claiming the sony ericsson x1 was full of bugs?!?!? i set him straight though!
The mystery deepens!
I spoke to vodafone customer services who said the phone was probably locked and only available on a contract (despite the shop having offered it for £350-400 on its own).
I don't want a contract with O2 or Vodafone so I'm going to try one last visit to the shop tomorrow morning and if that is unsuccessful then I'll get it through play (£499.99 & free delivery), SuperGPS or Handtec (next day delivery!).
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I spoke to vodafone customer services who said the phone was probably locked
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Wrong, as I've said up above none of their new phones are locked, and MY Vodafone X1 is running fine with my Orange SIM
and only available on a contract (despite the shop having offered it for £350-400 on its own).
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Possibly hit and miss with each shop and their targets etc however even if they did sell it SIM free it's likely to be more (about £500).
My carphonewarehouse said its not out for a couple of weeks yet :O the ejits...
I only asked the vodafone shop if they did it sim free, I didnt ask them specificly if they sold just the phone on its own(but stil with crappy vodafone branding).
I would be willing to have a vodafone branded unlocked handset for £350 rather than an unbranded unlocked handset from clove play etc for £500.
This is an avenue i hadnt even thought of!
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Difficult choice, Vodafone definitely in stock, but their 12 month contracts are rubbish:
http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/mobile-phones/pay-monthly/sony-ericsson/X1/
But T-Mobile just said they will definitely get it, but have no date yet.
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Has anyone tried bargaining with Vodafone on the phone or in store? Someone in the Touch Pro forum managed to get a free Touch Pro on a 12 month contract at £42.50 per month. Not sure if it was a business or consumer contract.
Trouble for me now though is that as this phone has taken so long to come out I'm now torn between the X1 and the Touch HD. Why couldn't SE get it shipped like the iphone, as you have to hand it to Apple for being able to get the phone in the shops six weeks after launch.
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Has anyone tried bargaining with Vodafone on the phone or in store? Someone in the Touch Pro forum managed to get a free Touch Pro on a 12 month contract at £42.50 per month. Not sure if it was a business or consumer contract.
Trouble for me now though is that as this phone has taken so long to come out I'm now torn between the X1 and the Touch HD. Why couldn't SE get it shipped like the iphone, as you have to hand it to Apple for being able to get the phone in the shops six weeks after launch.
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yes I got a deal with vodafone retail. I asked them if they could match onliine vodastore on a 12 month contract and they said yes. I originally wanted the 45 per month deal with 900 mins and 500 texts and handset 100. He could only find 750 mins 250 texts which I said I didn't want. we finished off on 600 mins and 500 texts for 40 a month and 100 for the phone, which is a saving of 50 compared to online and got the phone there and then.
has anyone found any better deals than the ones on the vodafone website ? if i remember, the operator's deals are usually amongst the worst around ?
i'm looking for a 12 month contract but the vodafone site only allows unlimited internet and all the other goodies on 18 month contracts. grrrrrrrrrrrr.
THinking of getting the DHD on my network Orange when i'm due for an upgrade in October and i was wondering if it will actually be available? Does anyone know what the flagship network will be?
Please don't say o2 lol, i hate those buggers.
As far as I know, Vodafone is going to be the "flagship". HTC seemed to be bigging them up a lot at the launch event.
Orange and T-Mobile are getting the phone too, but they didn't get a mention.
O2 so far aren't even getting the phone at all!
3rd party online stores are offering the HD on T-Mobile, Orange, O2 and Vodafone...always best to get from a 3rd party as to not get a crap branded handset!!
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3rd party online stores are offering the HD on T-Mobile, Orange, O2 and Vodafone...always best to get from a 3rd party as to not get a crap branded handset!!
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Yep, that's what I did with my TP2 and is what I'm doing with my HD
I have it ordered from a 3rd party on Vodafone. I wonder because it will be the first shipment will it have all the Vodafone crap on it or touch wood it will be sim free ??
Depends where you get it from and whether you're first shipment or not.
When I ordered my TP2 from mobilephonesdirect I was first shipment and Voda didn't even have theirs yet - so I got an unbranded one.
I don't know if somewhere down the line Voda got their stock and MPD started selling from Voda stock rather than sim-free stock...
I expect at this stage all stock that doesn't come direct from an operator will be unbranded and sim-free.
I ordered it from here immediately once they started taking orders so i should be in the first shipment - http://www.mobiles.co.uk/htc-desire-hd.html
Here's hoping its sim free then m8
I've just sent Orange an email asking about a release date. I'll post back when I hear something.
I never use a 3rd Party. Insurance is 6.00 a month on Orange. They replace the phone the next day usually no questions asked.
If you buy 3rd party you cannot insure your phone direct. You end up paying about 10.00 a month then if you want to claim they try everything to get out of helping you.
In my experience always buy direct. I know the branding is a pain. Custom Roms get rid of the bloatware. A small badge you can put up with.
If you buy a 3rd party phone the main operator will always tell you to contact who you bought your phone from if there's a fault.
That's where you will start having problems.
Sent from my HTC Hero
I phoned Vodafone about my TP2 when I got it asking if I can have insurance put on through Vodafone rather than via the reseller and they said "Yep no problem" and put it on for me! Not had to use it, but just saying...
That's good maybe it's just Orange. I got a phone from Phones 4 you years ago and Orange wouldn't touch me on insurance. I just like to deal direct because I get really good loyalty discounts.
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I know what you mean. When I upgraded from my K800i to my TyTNII Orange were really really great at giving me a good deal.
I actually used to work for Orange about 4 years ago, and I still have a warm place in my heart.
I'm defecting to T-Mobile this time so I can take advantage of Everything Everywhere, makes me feel like I'm getting closer to Orange again.
Orange Care was by and large one of the best aspects of their service. I used it on my old SPV M2000 which I crushed on the day I got it by tripping over a rope fence. Problem I had was that they had none to replace it with so I got stuck with an SEP910i - which was no replacement for the M2000. There was a big scandal about it and the media got involved and in the end I got a brand new M2000.
I would have stuck with Orange for my TP2, but it was going to take a couple of months for it to be available on Orange whereas I could get it on Vodafone instantly, and I was so fed up with my TyTN II that I begrudgingly jumped ship. Not that Vodafone have caused me any problems. Orange just had a bit more of a personal touch. Vodafone is very corporate and don't seem as 'fun' as Orange are.
My work Treo Pro is on Vodafone anyway, so it's no loss
Wow, I ended up talking a lot there.
Orange are not ideal as they tend to mess with the handset too much for my liking. I did mention this in another thread but orange don't seem to have any information on DHD, one of the sell reps even suggested they might not even get it at all!!
mobilphonesdirect.com are quite good they have confirmed handset will be sim free and are offering the cheapest deals. Ordered mine today expected to get it on he 7th October, wait and see.
I'm pretty sure orange will get it since they're merged with T-Mobile. I read that they'll be rebranding around 2012 too. I can't imagine orange not getting it, it would be a mistake on their part in my opinion.