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I have noticed that for the last week my Tytn won't always charge itself up either when its in its cradle or is being charged via the charging lead.
I have no idea what has brought this on. The solution I am using at the moment is to soft boot, which seems to solve the problem for a while. For the techies on here I am using the standard HTC Win5 Rom, straight out the box.
Has anyone come across this problem and, if yes, knows what the solution is please? It was only because my low battery alarm kicked in the other day that I realised there was a problem.
As I use the kit for work I cannot afford to have it not charge up.
Many thanks in advance for your help.
WB
Caveat - Yes, did search first on here and elsewhere before posting.
Could be hardware (at Device) / could be software. Without testing these things out it's impossible to say. I suppose a quick test of the physical contacts of the device would be to switch on and connect the charger and by gently moving the connection, see if the amber charging LED goes on off.
In the end I always think with this kind of problem a hard reset saves a lot of time testing this and that. If there is nothing you can pin down as an obvious change/installation you made before this started, then I'd do a hard reset.
Of course you are fully prepared for this with full backups taken at key installation stages?? - Hope so.
Mike
The only thing I've heard of is that using USB cables/cradles, car chargers and non-standard wall chargers (such as for motorola) are ok for trickle charging but if the battery goes low you need to use the original wall charger supplied with the phone.
I know this was the problem on my Wizard - wouldn't charge a low battery with a motorola charger but fine with the original.
Mike,
I think I will do a hard reset as a last, last, resort only if all other options are well and truly exhausted. I rebuilt the damned thing for the umpteenth time only 2 weeks ago and I absolutely don't want to go through that pain again.
The frustrating thing is that for the first time since I owned the Tytn (6 months) all the problems I did not know about before I bought it had finally been resolved (excepting the freezing of TomTom, which still remains outstanding).
So just when I thought I could finally start to rely on the Tytn as a fully functioning relible working tool we get this.
I owned a Sony P900 for over 3 and a half years as a business tool (grant you the PDA functionality was a tad restricted compared to the Tytn) and it never failed me once! If it wasn't for a problem with the touch screen and me thinking it was time for a change I would still be using it today.
Anyone else any other suggestions on this problem please? Wiggling the charging cable in the mini-usb port makes no difference. Only a reboot does at this time.
So damned frustrating!
WB
hungry TyTN
Hi,
I have a similar problem. I had a go for the WM6 from LVSW (2007-05-19) and the latest Radio (1.41.00.10) and a brand new out of the box TyTN.. First thing I noticed was that the unit discharges itself very quickly. I've tried various radios without any good luck too. I think it killed my battery, at least it went so low that I could'nt recharge it normally. I had the RED LED blinking fast, constant RED and sometimes AMBER. My tip is to never let the battery fully discharge here.. I had to kickstart it with 3 AA-batteries in serial, and hooked up + and - wires to the TyTNs battery so it could have a little power, or else the TyTN would not charge it anymore. I assumed it could be my old SIM and/or the battery, so I went to th store and got a new battery as replacement for testing this. I am now able to charge, but I the power consumption is far beyond what I expect, it is like 341 ma read with ABC Power Meter....! Even with radio off, wifi off, receive incoming beams off, BT off, screen to minimum brightness, nada... I was expecting a lot less... This hungry device will not last many hours, and the battery does even produce much heat during standby operation, which is not good besides from a hand-warmer in the pocket during winter time maybe... I have also tried using Bandswitch to disable UMTS as maybe the UMTS reception here is not super good, but still working... Even talking on the phone while charging it drains the battery heavily.... to empty...
Besides from all this the WM6 from LVSW seems to be super quick and stable, maybe the very best one to pick for a HERMES.
I am desperate to find a conclusion here...
heeelp..
Update:
I happened to purchase a faulty device!!! There was indeed a HW error on my brand new device so I got it swapped with another one that works. Not all problems are SW-bugs..
Thought I would come back on this thread.
In the end I had to do a hard reset and rebuild as other problems started to manifest themselves and rebuilding became the easiest option.
Rebuilding has solved the problem; however it might interest you to note that this time I rebuilt the Tytn just like I would build a PC. The OS built itself first, with its associated apps, then I added any other additional OS tools, eg SPB Mobile Shell. I then grouped my apps into a logical order and installed them one by one.
After each install I rebooted the PPC, checked that the last app installed ran ok, then tested every other app to see if they ran as well BEFORE installing the next app. This process was a little tedious but it seems to have paid off.
I have to say though that having rebuilt this piece of kit from scratch at least 20 times in the last 6 months, I just cannot count on it as a reliable business tool in the same way as I did with my previous Symbian device. Shame given how much I spent on it.
When my next upgrade is due a Windows mobile device WON'T be on my list!
WB
Wacky - Get a full back-up tool like SPB backup and you can avoid all that pain. Hard Reset to Restoring a full backup - 10 minutes maybe. Much better than re-installing all those apps everytime you hard reset. And you can create a backup before and after each installation if you wish.
Mike
Mike,
Thanks for the tip. Must admit I had not thought of using SPB backup in the way that you suggest (can't see the wood for the trees sometimes).
Now that I think I have a stable system I will back it up using this tool and create a "line in the sand", in terms of a good system backup.
I still remain to be convinced on the stability/suitability for sustained business use though.
Appreciate your input.
WB
Similar (Battery Meter) Problem
This week, my phone reset for some reason and came up with the screen which shows the current IPL and SPL. The phone still has all the apps and data I installed, so it was not a hard reset. This happened with a 1/2 charge on the battery.
Since that happend a full charge now shows as a 1/2 charge only on the meter and this is as high as the meter will show. The phone still lasts just as long, so there is no physical battery problem.
Anyone know how to fix this without a true hard reset.
Thanks
Mardig,
The only suggestion I have is to hard reset the unit and then rebuild it from scratch. Worked for me.
In any case it may be advisable to do this as it sounds like you have other problems.
Once rebuilt I suggest you take up Mike Channon's suggestion to get a tool and backup the device. That way if you have further problems you at least have a line in the sand to refer back to.
By the way, I am not ruling out a hardware problem in your case. However my starting point would be my suggestions above.
Good luck
WB
Strange TyTN behavior when charging
I bought a car charger for my TyTN and used it for ~4-5 months without a problem. One day a fuse went off and after replacing it with a new one and connecting to TyTN, a TyTN stopped charging completely. I checked at home with an original wall charger - nothing. I was stupid enough to try the same car charger with my second TyTN - not surprisingly it burned the other one too :-(
I got them both fixed, a car charger replaced with a new one, so everything should have been working fine. The following happened:
1. First time a car charger is connected, it works fine and the TyTN is charging.
2. Disconnecting a charger and reconnecting it back after couple of seconds restart charging, however this stops after 1 sec and the screen shows as it is not connected.
3. Repeating step 2 does nothing - no charging starts at all.
4. Soft reset - go back to step 1.
5. When TyTN off and car charger connected - charging is working - amber light is on.
6. Wall charger (original), TyTN on or off - charging is working - amber light is on.
I did hard reset as well thinking it might be a broken driver problem, but it didn't help. Tomorrow will try to reload ROM.
Any ideas?
Help will be appreciated (before I take it back to lab and spend another $40 for repair)
Cheers
eznil said:
I bought a car charger for my TyTN and used it for ~4-5 months without a problem. One day a fuse went off and after replacing it with a new one and connecting to TyTN, a TyTN stopped charging completely. I checked at home with an original wall charger - nothing. I was stupid enough to try the same car charger with my second TyTN - not surprisingly it burned the other one too :-(
I got them both fixed, a car charger replaced with a new one, so everything should have been working fine. The following happened:
1. First time a car charger is connected, it works fine and the TyTN is charging.
2. Disconnecting a charger and reconnecting it back after couple of seconds restart charging, however this stops after 1 sec and the screen shows as it is not connected.
3. Repeating step 2 does nothing - no charging starts at all.
4. Soft reset - go back to step 1.
5. When TyTN off and car charger connected - charging is working - amber light is on.
6. Wall charger (original), TyTN on or off - charging is working - amber light is on.
I did hard reset as well thinking it might be a broken driver problem, but it didn't help. Tomorrow will try to reload ROM.
Any ideas?
Help will be appreciated (before I take it back to lab and spend another $40 for repair)
Cheers
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This is a known issue. It also appears you've realised the soft reset workaround:
In Car charging
(May be relevant to USB/Mains charging also)
Hermes only charges when switched off
Pulling out charger lead (or interrupting power supply) while charging in car (with device on or off ) may result in Hermes only charging while turned off
Possible Solution:
a.) Connect charger with power on
b.) Switch on Hermes
c.) Soft reset whilst connected
Hermes should now charge whilst on or off.
I charge mine in the car but I do not use a car charger but a 12 volt to 240 volt inverter - so I can plug in a mains charger. Never have problems with this and I can also use it to power my laptop.
Examples here of cheap and expensive ones - small ones and large ones:
http://www.sailgb.com/c/12v_inverters_converter/
Mike
mikechannon said:
This is a known issue. It also appears you've realised the soft reset workaround:
In Car charging
(May be relevant to USB/Mains charging also)
Hermes only charges when switched off
Pulling out charger lead (or interrupting power supply) while charging in car (with device on or off ) may result in Hermes only charging while turned off
Possible Solution:
a.) Connect charger with power on
b.) Switch on Hermes
c.) Soft reset whilst connected
Hermes should now charge whilst on or off.
I charge mine in the car but I do not use a car charger but a 12 volt to 240 volt inverter - so I can plug in a mains charger. Never have problems with this and I can also use it to power my laptop.
Examples here of cheap and expensive ones - small ones and large ones:
http://www.sailgb.com/c/12v_inverters_converter/
Mike
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Hi Mike.
Thanks for your prompt response.
I did read that thread, however it seems that it doesn't explain point 2 in my explanation, does it?
Update: tried the method explained, however the situation is still the same - both points 2 and 5.
Regarding the DC-AC inverter - do you use a wall charger or USB output (if there is one, I found one that has both main and USB).
Cheers
eznil said:
Hi Mike.
Thanks for your prompt response.
I did read that thread, however it seems that it doesn't explain point 2 in my explanation, does it?
Cheers
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Unless I misunderstand something - one of the primary causes of the problem is the disconnection whilst charging leading to a refusal to charge when re-connected. To quote my post:
"Pulling out charger lead (or interrupting power supply) while charging in car (with device on or off ) may result in Hermes only charging while turned off "
I realise of course this does not explain things and is just a statement about what happens.
Mike
mikechannon said:
Unless I misunderstand something - one of the primary causes of the problem is the disconnection whilst charging leading to a refusal to charge when re-connected. To quote my post:
"Pulling out charger lead (or interrupting power supply) while charging in car (with device on or off ) may result in Hermes only charging while turned off "
I realise of course this does not explain things and is just a statement about what happens.
Mike
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THe funny thing is that the other TyTN I have doesn't suffer the same behavior and charges fine, even though I disconnected and connected many times while charging.
Yeap, it's strange, unexplainable and most of all extremely annoying.
Thansk a lot for your help.
Solved!!!
Hi.
I am happy to tell that I managed to figure out how to overcome that problem. I hope it will work for all users - I tried it with 2 different TyTNs and it was OK.
The solution is to plug/unplug the USB charger only when the device is off - not a complete shutdown by long press on Power button, but a short one.
If it's OK, when plugging the lead the power button lights up in <1 sec. If not, it takes ~5 sec to go on.
Best regards,
i discovered today....when i plugged my hermes into the car charger, that it wasnt charging.
after a soft reset it charged. an then.....no problems untill about 22:00 pm. i plugged it again and...same thing, it needed a reset to charge.
what could cause this? igo may way and bluetooth gps. coz i think this is the reason.
gangstar said:
i discovered today....when i plugged my hermes into the car charger, that it wasnt charging.
after a soft reset it charged. an then.....no problems untill about 22:00 pm. i plugged it again and...same thing, it needed a reset to charge.
what could cause this? igo may way and bluetooth gps. coz i think this is the reason.
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Please read the thread - this strange behavior is described in details.
Try the solution in my post above - it workes for me, hoefully for you too.
Goos luck.
2 days ago i had my cingular 8125 plugged into a charger . when i woke up it was off and dead, still plugged in?
now when i plug it in (to the stock charger) the red light comes on, but if i take the battery out, it stays on. if the battery is in, it is on. but i cant turn it on. ive left it for 15 hours now, and still nothing
even tried another battery.
when i first put the other battery in it turned on, was booting, but then died. probably cuz the battery was dead. but i had it plugged in as soon as i turned it on.
now the same thing happens.
any ideas?
i also thought i smelled something burnt. like if you have ever had a laptop that had a bad a/c connector and would heat up a bit, or even smoke!
dont know if it was my imagination or what?
thanks in advance
dan
T mobile MDA shows RED LED
that is strange that you post this today, because I just received T-mobile MDA unit from 3bay that has a similar problem.
-The phone does not turn on when I press the power button.
-It does not respond to a soft reset or a hard reset.
-With the battery in, I connect the AC charger to the phone and for about 1-3 seconds the charging LED color is RED. THe LED turns off and I can not get the same result if I reconnect the AC charger.
The only visible sign of life this MDA unit has is:
-with the battery out and the AC charger connected, when the USB is removed to the point where it is not connected to the MDA, the charging LED light flashes red for a split second and the screen flashes white for a split second as well. [I hope this is a sign that there's still life in this MDA, but i'm thinking my unit is truly a brick..]
From all the websites I've searched, this does not seem to be an issue, although for me it is a scary one! Anybody that can help would be much appreciated because I want a working MDA not a dead one
EDIT: It turns out my non-booting MDA was due to a faulty vibrator and flashlight MDA part. After removing these two pieces that are connected to the back cover of the MDA housing, the MDA booted up with no problem.
danrw84 said:
2 days ago i had my cingular 8125 plugged into a charger . when i woke up it was off and dead, still plugged in?
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I'm in exactly the same position - left phone on charge overnight two days ago and in the morning it was completely dead. I have managed to get it to power on for about 2-3 seconds on one or two occasions but now it won't do a thing
Not sure if this will help, but have you tried to push that soft reset button that you have to to push with your stylus when it is plugged in?
Sounds stupid, but my power button is completely dead and I thats how I have to start mine up. I also have to pop out the SD card to get the screen to come out of sleep mode!
I might not work, but hey...worth a try.
Well, I eventually got back up and running. Turns out the battery was completely dead. I used the 9v battery trick and then used my USB charger to get the battery fully charged and all is well.
This leads me to query how do I now charge my phone when I don't have access to a PC? I was using a standard AC wall charger and the phone showed that it was charging but due to the fact that the display stays lit whilst on external power, this eventually killed the battery as the charge indicator appeared to be false.
*as posted verbatim in another thread*
WHAT IS THIS 9 VOLT TRICK YOU SPEAK OF?!?
funny...i'm having the same problem with 2, what were perfectly fine, wizards.
which is what brought me to this forum post.
These two devices were turned off and sat in my desk for months as they were not needed. They were perfectly good, successfully unlocked and upgraded from the advice/steps/tools provided here (thanks!). They were my primary personal and work devices until i was given the option to try a few iPAQs.
Now that I want to go back NEITHER device will boot. On the original chargers (both wall and usb) both devices will display the red light as shown in the pic above, will not boot normally, or via the 2 or 3 button methods common for these devices. The batteries do not get warm, which tells me that they are not getting current...which makes NO sense if i'm using 4 different stock charging options (2 wall and 2 usb) in different locations. One expect some variable would work to eliminate some oddity, but nothing is working.
something odd is going here. how can 2 perfectly good devices and charges suddenly crapout? I could really believe it's the battery, but one is grand spankin new (only used for a month)! Both have the main board die? Both not recognizable on any computer?
Is it possible that the backup battery is causing this? Can it me charged same as the standard if its drained? I know i'm grasping at straws here, but this odd a coincidence.
FOUND FIX
okay..this was too simple.
for some reason the USB will not provide enough"juice" to pop these out of their sleep.
I have been using this great little charging system made by good old Radio Shack that is a single plug with different adapters for all different devices...i've been using it for my iPAQ's, Blackjacks, BB's, ect. SO as a last resort i went and got the CORRECT adapter (as there are many mini usb adapters available) and SHAZAM!!! they boot right up!
don't ask me why the stock wall chargers will not work, but these RS iGo systems are the trick!
i'm going to link to the other similar issue in hopes any other folks having the same issue can benefit from this.
Background:
I have had MANY PPC's (so many I can't even count them) and I've loaded many different cooked ROMS and such on most of them so I'm not a complete noob on these things (don't claim to be an expert either).
However, my most recent acquisition is an HTC Advantage bought at CompUSA. I've read most of these came with a test ROM and mine was no different except for the fact that when I attempted to update the ROM to the "official" one provided to me by HTC it would not work. I always got the error "Connection lost" about half way through the process. I tried it numerous times and it never worked. On some occasions it would get stuck on the bootloader screen but I was able to get it back to working status (still on the test ROM).
I decided to try installing step 1 of Ollipro's SPL to see if that would help loading the HTC ROM. Turns out that wouldn't work either. It would get stuck at step 1 where it would ask if "PPC gone idle and didn't work or to wait 30 seconds". Tried it many times and would try to get it to keep going but the grey box on the bottom left would say the "parameters were incorrect" and would give me the option to quit, which I would. No problem, at least my 7501 was still working.
After that I tried the official HTC ROM again and I got the same "connection lost" error I had previously, except this time I didn't get anything on my PPC screen, just a black screen, not even the battery charging light behind the joystick lights up anymore. Soft reset...........nothing. Bootloader reset....................nothing. Hard reset.......................nothing. No lights, nada. The only flicker I get is if I try a reset wheen the power cord is connected. A red light flickers behind the joystick whenever I click the reset button. Any ideas or any help?
Sounds to me like the battery is just dead. I bought one at CompUSA (had the test ROM also) and I got the red ring around the joystick too when I tried to turn it on in the store. I left it plugged in awhile and it finally booted up okay. I then replaced the test ROM with the one and only available for the X7501 on HTC USA's web site. Good luck and I hope you get it working!
I think it could be battery related as well but it had a full charge when this happened. For some reason the unit has lost communication with the battery. I'm at a loss.
I got the same problem like you man !!! but i bad luck and so stupid man , i did with HTC X7501 then it dead after that i bought the X7500 then did it again , holy "... " it dead again....man ...So how your phone now bro ????
I left out the battery a half day and tried it again but still dead. Then I left it charging overnight and tried it again but still dead.
I can't believe this. I've never had a bricked device that can't be revived but after so many have seen this post and still no solutions I'm guessing it's no hope.
I met the same situation when I started to unlock Athena ( TMobile Ameo) within not fully charged battery ( less then 70%).
Solution ( try to make BL mode) with connected wallsocket charger ( not connected to PC USB slot) or find 100% charged battery. It helped me two times.
After many tries it changed to BL mode .
Now I didn't start unlock/change ROM without 100% charged battery.
I have the same BIG Problem, only red fliker when soft reset when AC conected. I wanted to update rom from russian to english and phone stoped working (black screen), and battery heats when inserted in phone . nothing to do? i read everything but i have not got any solution. I think it may be bios dead. helap us please
Lobstrick said:
I have the same BIG Problem, only red fliker when soft reset when AC conected. I wanted to update rom from russian to english and phone stoped working (black screen), and battery heats when inserted in phone . nothing to do? i read everything but i have not got any solution. I think it may be bios dead. helap us please
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"heating battery" (i.e. discharging when inserted, you mean?), no charge led = dead bootloader indeed.
I get the same problem. My device is work, but not charge. Also like yours i have red ring around the joystick when the battery is taked out. And if battery inside, when i make a softreset it blink one time, continued to load but not charge.
You`r speaking all wonderful. But have anybody found the solution?
Hearing these stories makes me nervous. I'm on the stock ROM (mine came from CompUSA with the latest ROM and I don't have an urge to try the cooked ROM yet). I've been using my Athena daily for 4 months, it charges correctly from several different chargers I have (car, computer USB, stock wall charger, aftermarket wall charger).
However, one day 2 weeks ago I went to make a call in the middle of the day and my Athena was dead. D-e-a-d. Usually I can make it back home at night and still have 90-100% on the battery meter, so with no use in the middle of the day and a dead battery, this was weird. It wouldn't turn on, no soft boot, took the battery out and put it back in, and always got nothing.
I bring this up here because when I plugged it in, I encountered similar problems that others here are describing. It wouldn't turn on, and it didn't give me the orange charging light behind the joystick. I ended up leaving it plugged in for a while and finally I got a red ring, not the usual orange. I've only seen red when the battery was almost dead and the unit was on. Then after some more time the ring turned orange and at this point it would turn on again. I still have no idea why my battery died so fast and hard.
So, is there a problem with the battery charging system that is starting to crop up in units that have been used a while???
miha_conan said:
I get the same problem. My device is work, but not charge. Also like yours i have red ring around the joystick when the battery is taked out. And if battery inside, when i make a softreset it blink one time, continued to load but not charge.
You`r speaking all wonderful. But have anybody found the solution?
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Hi i am no expert but i had simaler problem no display or no lights round ring no responce to any commands (ie hard reset and bootloader ) only red light flickred on reset button all i did was removed battery while pressing reset button and placed new battery and left it on wall charger for couple of hours and before doing hard reset i pressed reset button 2 to 3 times and green light round the battery came up so i tryed bootloader and it worked and insted of flashing it with pc i just loaded the img in sd card and flashed it while whole thing was on charge (i had tmob test rom before ) which i think is best way to do no hassle of losing connection or failing in half way and it works like a charm
hope this helps
and ya if you have a spare battery it dose help
New battery?
I'm a wizard user (and lots of former PDAs) looking to buy and Athena, maybe.
Has anyone tried a new, right out of the envelope, battery? these issues sound like worn out Li-Ion batteries to me. I've had them completely conk (won't take a charge at all) if I let them go completely down, and I've had them wear out and stop taking a full charge (down to maxing out at about %20, but sometimes showing %100 depending on ROM status) when I kept charging them while they're already charged.
Li-Ion batts don't sit for long periods too well, either, so if they're sitting on the shelf at the store/warehouse, they may be suffering even more than one that has been used since earlier in its childhood.
Perhaps the answer is a switched charger that stops charging when the battery (not the ROM/unit reading) gets to %100. ???
I didn't see anything like this posted. I'm terribly curious to see if anyone can resolve it.
nother AMEO dead
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1859021#post1859021
Red ring comes for a sec only try to RESET the device with Charger connected
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same here,
i am afraid i got a dead athena too, did you guys found any solution?? i tried switching batteries. this is my first experience with a windows mobile device not powering on, in inrepairable condition.
found another member with similar problems- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1639311&postcount=24
No genius,s on here,just insults
i have read every page on the advantage x7500,being such an old phone you would thin the genius,s on here could sort it out in seconds,but all they do is insult you.i tried to update from windows 6 on radio 1.20 to michys radio 6.5
it got to 94 percent then crashed, now when i boot up i just get a black and white screen,which then turns white,if it try to reinstall advantage 6.0 the phone reets after 2 or 3 percent..will anyboby help by giving simple term advice to unbrick it? NO.will they provide links to there advice no.THEY JUST INSULT YOU AND SAY ITS IN ONE OF THE THREADS.well im a computer tech and if anybody wants there pc or laptop fixing.guess what i will return the favour with computer speak,THAT YOU CANT UNDERSTAND
Help....seems that my Magician is dead....making a long phone call (1 h) after call end, display switch off and Notification led become fix Blue (bluethoot was off) and then i try to hard reset. Led switch off and no results. I try then to put the power supply cable and the led become RED.... !!! (neve seen red.....) pda is not switching on anymore...any details on the reason of this RED light ???....please.....
thanks in advance
Red LED means the battery isn't connected or the device can't charge.
Try taking the battery out for a few hours and try to switch the device on again.
My brother in-law had the red LED issue too, we solved it by 'kick starting' the battery with two wires and a 9v battery. (At your own risk of course).
Good luck!
helterskelter said:
Red LED means the battery isn't connected or the device can't charge.
Try taking the battery out for a few hours and try to switch the device on again.
My brother in-law had the red LED issue too, we solved it by 'kick starting' the battery with two wires and a 9v battery. (At your own risk of course).
Good luck!
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Red Led doesn't mean that the battery is not connect with the device. It simply means the cover is not properly intact. Try taking out the battery off the device, put it back in the slot. Place the cover carefully and completely. And then connect the device to AC power supply. It would definitely come *alive*
still dead....grrrr
so cover is ok...it seems to be properly fixed, even the smal swithch that create some unwanted crash few months ago is now working properly...
i made a 1 h long phone call with battery and charger (usb from pc) and after line felt down, bluetooth led blue on (was off) and screen with phone but no changement by touching it. so switch off by power off and ...dead...now without battery but with charger (or usb from PC) RED led on. With batttery AND charger RED on, and with battery all dead. i cannot reset anyhow with or without battery /charger....need it...sh*t.....(ops...sorry)
thanks a lot anyway....
omino_ribelle said:
so cover is ok...it seems to be properly fixed, even the smal swithch that create some unwanted crash few months ago is now working properly...
i made a 1 h long phone call with battery and charger (usb from pc) and after line felt down, bluetooth led blue on (was off) and screen with phone but no changement by touching it. so switch off by power off and ...dead...now without battery but with charger (or usb from PC) RED led on. With batttery AND charger RED on, and with battery all dead. i cannot reset anyhow with or without battery /charger....need it...sh*t.....(ops...sorry)
thanks a lot anyway....
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what I will suggest is, you should get a new battery instead!!
Got the same problem now!
Both my wife and me got a Magician. Hers is dead now - same symptoms.
First guess was dead battery as well. But I exchanged it with mine fully loaded. No difference!
Usually when you plug the powercord into the device orange flashes up and device boots. Here nothing happens.
I'll have some electrician have a look at both. Maybe he can find the fault by comparison. But I don't expect a lucky outcome.
on back side of ur device when u remove the battery cover, u see a small black switch on the right side just next to the battery.
put the device on charge..with cover off---it will show red light contunuously on.
now manually press gently that black switch and see if ur device starts to charge.
if u see a yellow light any point of time doing this u may have to get this little switch repaired or do a temporary work urself by kepping it at place manually bu something.
try and tell
Now it works!
I think we all knew about that little switch. But thanks for your thoughts.
Anyway, hers is running again!
Two days ago I took it fully apart. No obvious fault noticeable. I left it the way it was now to prepare it for shipping. Today my wife asked me I should try it just once again. So I held the battery on the connector and plugged the USB cable and then: it booted!
But the internal battery doesn't seem to recover. It stays at 0% (1h "charging" since then).
I have to correct myself: Even the internal battery is charging (but it takes its time).
my magician is also dead and just the red LED is burning when i put it in the USB! Can anybody help me?
Still ned solution!
Can some one who was having the same problem help?
your device battery detector switch(little switch) is broken or logged-out of Main Board.
when it broken,the red LED is on at all.
it is the greatest weakness of magician...
z_qz54 said:
your device battery detector switch(little switch) is broken or logged-out of Main Board.
when it broken,the red LED is on at all.
it is the greatest weakness of magician...
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i am opening my jam case,bring the switch out and conecting sides of switch by a piece of wire.now a day there no problem with openning the battery case or.. but my WM cant recognize the battery level.it's alway 0%.and even the charger is connected no orange led i can see.but the charger charge the battery and battery works for more than one day!!!!!!!!
any one with the same problem!????
or any one having solution!
REGARDS
I'm gettingn red led light too when charging from wall outlet. Charging from usb is fine. a weird thing is when my battery came down to 50%, imate jam will shut down and won't successfully reboot. some people from this form mentioned it's an indicator that the battery is dying.
SITUATION
My Cingular 8500 does not power on. I have tried connecting it to wall charger as well as USB cable. The red or the orange light also does not come on. I tried all resets also but nothing worked.
BACKGROUND
a. My phone suddenly went off when I was opening the sliding keyboard. It had a decent (60%) charge at that time. After this it refuses to come on.
b. Only addition to the phone in the last 3 months has been a 2GB MicroSd Card. I inserted this card 4 days back and it was working fine.
c. The device is around 6 months old (but its unlocked, running WM6 and does not have any warranty)
d. I have been using the original wall charger to charge this phone regularly.
HELP REQUIRED
1. Is there a way to check if the problem is with the battery or with the phone? I do not have a spare battery.
2. Should any light come on if I connect the phone to charger without the battery inserted in it?
Thanks!
Try this:
1.) Remove battery
2.) Connect Hermes to charger or USB
3.) Insert the battery while Hermes is connected to charger
4.) Red light should turn Amber
5.) Soft Reset
i have the same situation going on ... except with mine the screen faded out...it came back on once...and faded out again and will not turn back on.. when i put it on the charger it was a red light.. and will not turn on or soft reset, or enter bootloader or hard reset. .. in addition i tried the method above and nothing has worked.... any other suggestions...my phone was working fine when this happened out of nowhere... i dont have insurance either i bought the phone from someone off of craigslist..help is greatly appreciated
I am having the exact same problem, I had about 30% charge, then it just shut off, and now will not come back on under its own power or via USB nor charger. I tried connecting the charger then inserting the battery, but I do not get any indicator lights at all.
I was running WM6, and the most recent thing installed was the pointUI home screen replacement app.
has anyone experienced this before?
theconcon said:
SITUATION
My Cingular 8500 does not power on. I have tried connecting it to wall charger as well as USB cable. The red or the orange light also does not come on. I tried all resets also but nothing worked.
BACKGROUND
a. My phone suddenly went off when I was opening the sliding keyboard. It had a decent (60%) charge at that time. After this it refuses to come on.
b. Only addition to the phone in the last 3 months has been a 2GB MicroSd Card. I inserted this card 4 days back and it was working fine.
c. The device is around 6 months old (but its unlocked, running WM6 and does not have any warranty)
d. I have been using the original wall charger to charge this phone regularly.
HELP REQUIRED
1. Is there a way to check if the problem is with the battery or with the phone? I do not have a spare battery.
2. Should any light come on if I connect the phone to charger without the battery inserted in it?
Thanks!
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The Power LED should light up "red" other than that your wont get any juice. And read my second reply, try radioshack
Eamonn said:
I am having the exact same problem, I had about 30% charge, then it just shut off, and now will not come back on under its own power or via USB nor charger. I tried connecting the charger then inserting the battery, but I do not get any indicator lights at all.
I was running WM6, and the most recent thing installed was the pointUI home screen replacement app.
has anyone experienced this before?
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It wont power on threw charger without a "good" battery plugged in.
Sounds like u might have a bad battery. Happend to a friend of mine "different phone" just go to a local Radioshack If they have your type of battery and have one in stock they will most likely let you try one on your phone. If not just go to ATT wireless store and see if they have one you can try and buy.
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The Power LED should light up "red" other than that your wont get any juice. And read my second reply, try radioshack
Sounds like u might have a bad battery. Happend to a friend of mine "different phone" just go to a local Radioshack If they have your type of battery and have one in stock they will most likely let you try one on your phone.
It wont power on threw charger without a "good" battery plugged in.
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I really hope thats the problem because it's an easy solution, otherwise I fear it might be toast. thanks for your advise
No light when connected to charger
Thanks all for your responses!
markafreeman said:
Try this:
1.) Remove battery
2.) Connect Hermes to charger or USB
3.) Insert the battery while Hermes is connected to charger
4.) Red light should turn Amber
5.) Soft Reset
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Dear Markafreeman, I tried the entire routine above but no help.
demo23019 said:
The Power LED should light up "red" other than that your wont get any juice. And read my second reply, try radioshack
It wont power on threw charger without a "good" battery plugged in.
Sounds like u might have a bad battery. Happend to a friend of mine "different phone" just go to a local Radioshack If they have your type of battery and have one in stock they will most likely let you try one on your phone. If not just go to ATT wireless store and see if they have one you can try and buy.
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Dear demo23019, I am not sure if I understand the above correctly. Should the Power LED light up "red" when battery is not inserted?
Once I connect the phone to charger (wall or USB), without the battery inserted in it, no red light comes on.
Does this mean that there is some problem with the phone hardware?
theconcon said:
Dear demo23019, I am not sure if I understand the above correctly. Should the Power LED light up "red" when battery is not inserted?
Once I connect the phone to charger (wall or USB), without the battery inserted in it, no red light comes on.
Does this mean that there is some problem with the phone hardware?
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Yea the power LED should light up red with out a battery plugged in. Check the usb plug on the bottom of your phone, make sure the middle piece inside is still there and didnt break off.
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Yea the power LED should light up red with out a battery plugged in. Check the usb plug on the bottom of your phone, make sure the middle piece inside is still there and didnt break off.
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Oops. My phone's power LED does not light up when I connect it to the charger without the battery inserted in it.
I have checked the following :
a. usb plug is fine (I checked it by plugging it into the Y cable for the USB charger. The LED on the Y cable lights up when I connect the USB plug into it
b. The middle piece inside the socket at the bottom of the phone is still there and shows no signs of damage.
c. The wall charger is also working fine.
Does this conclude that the phone has a hardware fault and this is not linked to the battery being dead?
Similar Problems
I just had the same problem. I had it happen to my Att Tilt and then to my cingular 8525. You should check out this thread and maybe post your info there too, it would be nice to see everybody post in the same thread so we can figure out what's going on.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1783005&posted=1#post1783005
yh
yh i got the same problem, i touched the power button so it wld go into standby, and it then refused to turn back on, even when i soft resetted it. Plugged it into the wall charger without the battery and there is no red power light coming on.
I've got a MDA Vario II and though im gettin a replacement, it kinda sucks as it seems im gna lose all my data
can we try to determine in more detail what people installed before they experienced this?
I just pulled it apart, and cleaned the inside to no avail, nothing seems to be awry, atleast not to my untrained eye, however it did get me thinking.
I listen to music on my tytn all the time, and over time the usb connector has become quite loose, frequently losing connections over activesync and music comes and goes from both lef and right. if the USB connector is shot, then when I plug it in it won't register that there is power, nor will it have the power to light up the red light indicating there is no battery. also, if the usb link is shot, then the phone wasn't charging so my battery is likely dead.
now to test this out I need to have a verified 100% charged battery.
I currently have the same problem. It will not charge via wall/usb. It flashes red once and that's it. Without the battery and plugged in, I get a solid red light. I tried plugging it into the wall charger without a battery and then putting my battery back in. The red light just turns off. That's it. I can get an active sync connection with a dim white screen, but I do not have enough juice to try flashing a new rom. If anyone has issues like these, are you also able to get an activesync connection?
TIA
EDIT: Is it possible to bypass the low battery protection when flashing a rom? My battery is somewhere around 40% so it would be safe.
Update:
Okay, I purchased a new oem battery and a battery charging dock. This way I can charge the battery without the phone before I attempt to flash a new rom.
I still would appreciate it if anyone who has seen these symptoms (white screen BUT with lots of vibrating / no charging / no bootloader) could give me a few pointers. I've exhausted the Wiki and so far it seems my only option to save the phone is to flash a new rom. Thanks in advance to anyone willing to give me some advice.