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Hi,
How can I configure my trinity so that a click on messaging ALWAYS goes into the sms inbox and not my outlook inbox?
Any ideas?
Thanks
W
I would also like to know.
Windows Mobile is so remarkably badly designed. It just beggers belief. Just little things like this.
Also, do they expect you to get your stylus out just to close the phone? cos its very difficult to hit that tiny X in the top right corner with your fingers. They should make it a phone first, a pda second.
I think simply, they are idiots.
I have not any problems as you have. I choosed the sms one time and after that it always comes to sms inbox when I press messaging
...and if you log into MSN Messenger, it takes the liberty of loading your Hotmail JUNK onto the phone. Then it displays that you have say 2 new hotmail emails on the meesaging bar on the today screen. If you click on this its about another three clicks just to get to SMS. Then if you close it again and go back to Today screen, you click again on messaging and it is back in Hotmail inbox... requiring even more clicks to get it to SMS.
Each time i have to do this my life gets profoundly shorter.
just use left and right on the dpad to cycle through the messaging accounts
I really cant understand you guys: It is a VERY small device with amazing abilities. And WM5 can do a lot of things.
FuzzMunky said:
I would also like to know.
Windows Mobile is so remarkably badly designed. It just beggers belief. Just little things like this.
Also, do they expect you to get your stylus out just to close the phone? cos its very difficult to hit that tiny X in the top right corner with your fingers. They should make it a phone first, a pda second.
I think simply, they are idiots.
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I can close the phone app by pressing the red button, no problem.
FuzzMunky said:
I would also like to know.
Windows Mobile is so remarkably badly designed. It just beggers belief. Just little things like this.
Also, do they expect you to get your stylus out just to close the phone? cos its very difficult to hit that tiny X in the top right corner with your fingers. They should make it a phone first, a pda second.
I think simply, they are idiots.
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Have you noticed a button with "OK" written on top? Have you tried to press the red button after the conversation is over? Have you noticed that pressing the menu button and selecting another program will send the phone application to background? I am asking because you don't seem to have spent much time trying to learn how to use a Windows Mobile device. There are at least three ways to close the phone without touching the screen but you haven't even found one.
Regarding the default account for messaging: I usually open Messaging from the entry in the Today menu and that always returns to the last used account, usually the SMS inbox for me.
Im just pissed because I cant get any SIP things to load without having to go through a long process of unloading today plugins and setting sipchange, then soft resetting, then reloading all the plugins.
I will admit, I didnt realise a press of the Red button exits the phone app. I eventually remapped a hold of the left button to close whatever the current app is. Useful for TOMTOM, so you dont have to go through the menus. I stlll find it annoying how you cant just have the messaging default to SMS.
There is definitely no denying though that for however much the programmers have got right, they are still so far from having the perfect implementation of a PDA OS, And they should be after this many iterations. They still have tiny keyboards, tiny scroll bars, buttons shoved into corners. Look at the iPhone interface and tell me that isnt a far more intelligently designed interface.
I like my device, dont get me wrong, Im just a perfectionist and I want to get rid of all the niggles I have with it. .. and I hated Windows 3.0 which this feels like a lot of the time.
FuzzMunky said:
There is definitely no denying though that for however much the programmers have got right, they are still so far from having the perfect implementation of a PDA OS, And they should be after this many iterations. They still have tiny keyboards, tiny scroll bars, buttons shoved into corners. Look at the iPhone interface and tell me that isnt a far more intelligently designed interface.
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I think that most problems come from the fact that the PocketPC form factor was designed (or I should say copied from Palm) long before the idea of using it for phones. Most improvements in WM5 were actually related to making it more usable as a phone. So if there have been many iterations most of them were in a PDA context not a phone one.
Regarding the iPhone interface: I won't judge before I have actually used it, and most probably that is never going to happen
FuzzMunky said:
Im just pissed because I cant get any SIP things to load without having to go through a long process of unloading today plugins and setting sipchange, then soft resetting, then reloading all the plugins.
I will admit, I didnt realise a press of the Red button exits the phone app. I eventually remapped a hold of the left button to close whatever the current app is. Useful for TOMTOM, so you dont have to go through the menus. I stlll find it annoying how you cant just have the messaging default to SMS.
There is definitely no denying though that for however much the programmers have got right, they are still so far from having the perfect implementation of a PDA OS, And they should be after this many iterations. They still have tiny keyboards, tiny scroll bars, buttons shoved into corners. Look at the iPhone interface and tell me that isnt a far more intelligently designed interface.
I like my device, dont get me wrong, Im just a perfectionist and I want to get rid of all the niggles I have with it. .. and I hated Windows 3.0 which this feels like a lot of the time.
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Just get an iPhone... but dont ask for thousands of games, dont ask for MS Exchange Push Mail, dont ask for Outlook compatibility (works bad on iPod), dont ask for Word, PowerPoint, Excel, dont ask for GPS, dont ask for WiFi and/or Bluetooth...
IMHO your ranting about small issues is not appropriate. Just read the manual and try the workarounds people show you here...
So are you saying that WM5 is perfect in your eyes? Or that if you have any problems with it you should never talk about them?
I am confused. Sounds like you just want people to shut up and be mindless consumers.
FuzzMunky said:
So are you saying that WM5 is perfect in your eyes? Or that if you have any problems with it you should never talk about them?
I am confused. Sounds like you just want people to shut up and be mindless consumers.
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Only to you. I just think this: If I got one device with ten things working and one not (in fact it worked!) and another device with 3 things working I wouldnt call the 1st one "badly designed".
Well, let's see. As soon as people get their WM5 device I imagine they will want to put some application launcher buttons on the today screen.
Oh that's right; you can't without installing some third-party software.
Ok. So then they might want to make shortcuts to these apps using the keys on the front of the device.....
Oh that's right; you can't do that without installing some third-party software.
Would you prefer it if I precursed all criticisms with the positives? So, for example: Windows Mobile 5 is this, it's that, in fact, here is a run down of the binary code as a description of it and here are some technical specifications and a glossary of terms.... but... I think that they should let you place application shortcuts on the Today Screen.
Nonsense my friend, nonsense.
saminegm said:
Just get an iPhone... but dont ask for thousands of games, dont ask for MS Exchange Push Mail, dont ask for Outlook compatibility (works bad on iPod), dont ask for Word, PowerPoint, Excel, dont ask for GPS, dont ask for WiFi and/or Bluetooth...
IMHO your ranting about small issues is not appropriate. Just read the manual and try the workarounds people show you here...
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Just because something is the most versatile thing available doesnt make it well designed. Take a closer look at your desktop Windows installation...Take a look at your car....
warnysouth said:
Just because something is the most versatile thing available doesnt make it well designed. Take a closer look at your desktop Windows installation...Take a look at your car....
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But yes, I do appreciate the workarounds a lot, thanks,
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Ok. So then they might want to make shortcuts to these apps using the keys on the front of the device.....
Oh that's right; you can't do that without installing some third-party software.
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I fully respect that Windows Mobile might not be your cup of tea (I had major trouble to adapt to the Nokia S60 interface but a lot of people like it) but to be honest I am just happy with having the last used applications appear automatically in the Start menu, something that no other phone operating system does. I have the programs that I use most frequently always available in that list and it has room for 5 entries which is more than enough for me. And you can choose the 6 items which stay permanently in the Start menu, so you have 11 programs easily accessible plus 3 customisable buttons on the sides of the phone. It works for me.
Hello!
Have you seen the optical sensor on the Samsung Omnia, when you use it a mouse pointer appears like on your desktop computer, then I thought of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Owgcos_KY
The whole button area is touch sensitive, couldn´t someone make a program that activates the area as a "touchpad" so a pointer appears on the screen?
Best Regards Gustaf
Nice idea
I like that idea..! Could get pretty usefull ..
Why isn´t more people interested in my idea, wasn´t my description clear enough?
give me one situation where you actually need this?
i usually have my touch in one hand and using the finger from the other hand to type in commands.
i never have the device lying on the table.
useless for me actually.
1) this is old news, better had done a search
2) there are people working on this (touchxperience)
3) it is NOT multitouch but three singletouch capacitive surfaces.
I don't see any real use for this in every day use, like having a mouse pointer on screen is kinda worthless when you can use your finger on the screen instead.
However this could come in useful in a gaming or likewise situation with the use of finger guester's (spelling) to control things instead of button presses etc, especially as in a game you don't want your fingers blocking whats going on on the screen! Since the d pad on the diamond is next to worthless using this interface could in fact be quite good. Still can't think of an exact situation where it could come in useful mind!
there is no point in this as you already have a touch screen so that eliminates any use of needing a "pointer"
however, as said earlier, touchXperience is in development so check that out if you really wish.
I think it would be actually pretty usefull for text edition-correction or to copy and paste text on web pages.... that could be cool
I hate to use the stylus and a mouse pointer is alot more precise than my thumb. So navigating outside TF3D, Gaming, Showoff, textediting etc.
Everything I wanted to say is mentioned by other people already.
Useless, touxchXperience in dev, similar ideas, ...
Seems like a lot of people drop in and start of by saying: Hey you there! create this for me! and then change it to that ... and then ...
TouchXperience may make use of the area but not at all like my suggestion. I just thought that it could be useful for some....
I am a physician who want a big screen PDA phone to read text in several medical programs --> LEO is very very big screen and with capacitive screen --> I love it very much
But I want to know that HD2 can work with medical program?
such as Uptodate, skyscape, Isilo etc...
Now, I know that no one sure about this... just discussing
i am interested in this post too....i think all aplications for windows mobile can be instalated.
Pardon for my english, my teacher is very bad....or perhaps i am a very bad student
from WMpoweruser.com topic 2/11/52
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=9573
They said
PocketPC.ch have been the first to really test how well the HTC HD2, with is 4.3 inch capacitive screen, works with our older, more complex applications such as Pocket Informant and SBSH Weather.
The video shows that HTC has implemented a multi-touch system that allows one to enlarge the view and gain access to the older, smaller, less finger friendly controls in those apps. Microsoft is in the process of implementing a similar idea as seen in leaks of Windows Mobile 6.5.1, but as usual apparently less elegantly than HTC.
This feature works in all applications tested, but the process remains difficult with small controls, indicating a need to move towards more finger-friendly applications in a future where all devices have less precise capacitive screens.
Read more at PocketPC.ch here. --> they also has youtube video show multitouch zooming in those older programs..
I think the possible problem that make you can't use medical program & many Old apps is capacitive screen (I love capacitive screen ^^)..... that make you some problems when input in small area(skyscape programs have many..) ... but this wmuser topic is our hope!! >>> It's only hope... I'm not sure whether "Multitouch Zooming" support many programs or not.... but I trust in it's large screen with make every thing in screen large enough for input.
PS. I have bad english too .. don't be shame ^^
Hello to all, medical student here too. Well, in theory (as noone actually has the device in their hands yet) all the apps that used to work on wm 6.1 (wvga of course) should work on this device. The simple fact that the HTC HD2 has a capacitive screen does not change the fact that it runs on WM6.5 ... sure it doesn.t have the stylus but i don.t think we need one on a 4.3 display screen (even though HTC allready announced the magnetic stylus as an accesory for the ones insisting on using it)
So, in short theoretically all the apps that used to run on a wm device will work on the HD2 without any problems
colleages, good news, all medical app u mentioned above work like a charm, it is incredible to scroll through text with this baby, it is well worth it
There are problems with skyscape applications and uptodate.
Moving your finger up and down results in text selection instead of scrolling.
I have already started a new thread with this issue, but unfortunately there is no answer yet.
Step2p said:
There are problems with skyscape applications and uptodate.
Moving your finger up and down results in text selection instead of scrolling.
I have already started a new thread with this issue, but unfortunately there is no answer yet.
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Really? Hmm... That is the big problem for me. I like to touch the screen and moving my finger slide around the text to move up and down instead using scroll bar.
Anyway, I want to know how you can manage this problem. Do you use the scroll bar instead of using touch slide? How scroll bar work? I mean can you touch the direction key in scrollbar despite its small size with HD2? or touch anywhere in scroll bar to move the page to direction you want
Step2p said:
There are problems with skyscape applications and uptodate.
Moving your finger up and down results in text selection instead of scrolling.
I have already started a new thread with this issue, but unfortunately there is no answer yet.
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There is a work around, either you scroll by taping the scroll bar on the right, or you scroll by poping up the virtual keyboard and using the arrows there ( even on my old TP1, when you tried scrolling by actually fliking the finger, it resulted in text selection)
So in short, skyscape should work fine.
PS: I.ve heard (as i get the device next week and don.t have it yet) that if you try to scroll by actually moving the scrollbar on the right, that a square box should appear and make it a lot easyer, seen it on a youtube video.
I think that I have found a temporary solution
Install Ftouchsl and add exceptions for (at least) the following applications
manila.exe
shell32.exe
Opera9.exe
HTCalbum.exe
Also add an exception for Window name = "Phone"
Include in the exclusion list any other application that you want to use with the original htc's sense interface.
For the rest of the applications you will be able to use touchscrolling via ftouchsl.
This will ONLY influence touchscrolling. Multitouch (if enabled) will continue to work.
although indeed, when trying to scroll in uptodate, it selects text, the scroller bar its very usefull. Anyway, we all know this is a software problem, and the main reaseon we all on XDA upgrade our phones its because of the hardware. Th screen on this device compesates for all its software flaws. Just my opinion.
I use a lot of skyscape books and am particularly interested in this too. Currently, using Touch Pro2. Interested in HD2 but same confusions regarding skyscape. Already disappointed that notes application can not be used as a free sketch/drawing, which is a big drawback. If skyscape also cannot be used then HD2 with capicitative screen is useless and would rather prefer resistive screen of touch pro 2.
dr_s said:
I use a lot of skyscape books and am particularly interested in this too. Currently, using Touch Pro2. Interested in HD2 but same confusions regarding skyscape. Already disappointed that notes application can not be used as a free sketch/drawing, which is a big drawback. If skyscape also cannot be used then HD2 with capicitative screen is useless and would rather prefer resistive screen of touch pro 2.
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It can.
Just read my post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4944443&postcount=9
Step2p said:
I think that I have found a temporary solution
Install Ftouchsl and add exceptions for (at least) the following applications
manila.exe
shell32.exe
Opera9.exe
HTCalbum.exe
Also add an exception for Window name = "Phone"
Include in the exclusion list any other application that you want to use with the original htc's sense interface.
For the rest of the applications you will be able to use touchscrolling via ftouchsl.
This will ONLY influence touchscrolling. Multitouch (if enabled) will continue to work.
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Thank you for your solution....however I don't have the device yet.
May be about next month when HD2 come to my country..I should try
troubletop said:
Thank you for your solution....however I don't have the device yet.
May be about next month when HD2 come to my country..I should try
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I have tried it and it works even better than the original htc touchflo because you can both scroll and select text.
I am still adding programs in the exception list and will come back with a list of applications that should be blocked.
Another interesting point in HD2... Step2p, I want to know your touchscrolling experience when you activated it. The moving page...Does it feel like "repeately press on the scroll bar directional button"(up or down) which is the same as before when you use touchscrolling with other WM device...or Does it feel smooth as Iphone(you can make it smooth on previously WM device by touch the screen and drag the page by hold your finger/stylet on the screen.
I want to know this... if it smooth as I said ...it will be great!. but if it just like the older before I still love this device.
I beg you guys, who has HD2...esp. step2p thankyou ^^
@troubletop
Scrolling in medical applications is not naturally supported by hd2, but using ftoushsl and adding exceptions for the rest of the applications in your device will solve this problem.
Touchscrolling is very smooth.
I have already had experience with ftouchsl in my X7500 and touchscrolling was excellent. It is better from htc's intrinsic touchscroll, because it allows you to configure both scrolling and text selection (with prolonged pressure).
The capacitive screen makes scrolling experience even better (although the application is the same), because you don't need to apply pressure in order to scroll.
Unfortunately however, I can not provide you with comparative data to iphone's scrolling experience, because I have never had an iphone.
Step2p said:
I have tried it and it works even better than the original htc touchflo because you can both scroll and select text.
I am still adding programs in the exception list and will come back with a list of applications that should be blocked.
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Do you already have the updated list of programs that should be included in the exception list?
I haven't installed the software yet (Ftouchsl), basically because I'm afraid I would disable several scrolling features that I like about HD Sense.
In fact, I'd rather prefer that Ftouchsl allows the opposite -that is, to include in a list ONLY the programs you want the Ftouchsl to work on, and not an exception list, you know what I mean? Because in my case, I want the old original HD scrolling feature for a couple of programs only: Skyscape and Epocrates.
Ftouchsl?
Hi All, where do I download/install the ftouchsl program for HD2. Is this uninstallable, just in case there are problems
snowblindd said:
There is a work around, either you scroll by taping the scroll bar on the right, or you scroll by poping up the virtual keyboard and using the arrows there ( even on my old TP1, when you tried scrolling by actually fliking the finger, it resulted in text selection)
So in short, skyscape should work fine.
PS: I.ve heard (as i get the device next week and don.t have it yet) that if you try to scroll by actually moving the scrollbar on the right, that a square box should appear and make it a lot easyer, seen it on a youtube video.
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I have suddenly lost the small square that used to appear while scrolling on the scroll bar. Anyway of getting it back?
kartikatre said:
I have suddenly lost the small square that used to appear while scrolling on the scroll bar. Anyway of getting it back?
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I noticed this behaviour as well. I don't think there is a solution. Scrolling to the bottom of a very long file takes a while this way... I compensated by increasing the sensivity in setting of FTouchSL, so I can scroll faster.
BTW is use UptoDate a while with FTouchSL, and it makes is so much more convenient...
lovanova said:
Do you already have the updated list of programs that should be included in the exception list?
I haven't installed the software yet (Ftouchsl), basically because I'm afraid I would disable several scrolling features that I like about HD Sense.
In fact, I'd rather prefer that Ftouchsl allows the opposite -that is, to include in a list ONLY the programs you want the Ftouchsl to work on, and not an exception list, you know what I mean? Because in my case, I want the old original HD scrolling feature for a couple of programs only: Skyscape and Epocrates.
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I think the same, instead of excluding apps, I think including would be more efficient. However, it takes a few minutes to exclude all apps you want, really not much hassle.
Sometimes it's anoying if a new app seems to malfunction, and later on I realize FTouchSL was interfering and making the trouble.
Hopefully, a better app will come out soon, however newer apps will support touch scrolling anyway.
The Leo's large screen size, capacitive touch screen, and the fast processors were the three factors that had long attracted me to this device, and I've been patiently waiting for it to come to Australian shore. On the 19th, I rushed to one of the Telstra shops and spent a good few hours playing with this exciting phone. Finally, a capacitive touch screen that would rival iPhone. Finally, I found a good replacement for my beloved 5 inch HTC Athena which I so much loved (See my review.)
I was surprised that I was the only customer in the store having any interest in the device, as I though there must be hugh interest in it. There was a guy wearing an HTC T-shirt ready to help with any questions on the device. I shall call him the shop assistant here. The shop assistant told me he has used 3GS for 6 months, and he thinks Leo beats iPhone in every aspects. He was given a unit more than a month ago, and if I had heard it right, he was sent to Taiwan for training, so I had the chance to clarify my doubt with him whenever a need arises.
Here were my findings:
POSITIVE
Screen size and clarify
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The screen size and clarify is amazing. I had expected that to be the case, and I was not disappointed.
I was also not detered by the size of the device. It is really small compared to my Athena. It is extremely pocketable. The device is also very thin and comfortable to hold.
I love the fact that HTC has removed the bezel to this extent. Well done, HTC.
Camera
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The resolution was good, and the speed was fantastic. Did'nt have to wait for spinning colored wheels while saving.
Speed
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This is a fast machine. Absolutely no doubt with that. However, I also find moments when the device seems to be pausing and busy with things instead of responding to me right away. This is on an empty demo unit.
Overall Build
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I give it a high mark, based on my initial impression. The screen is grease prone compared to iPhone, but this is expected.
NEGATIVES
Keyboard
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Being used to the iPhone keyboard, I have to say that the HTC keyboard performs extremely poorly. This is despite the shop assistant's insisting that it is way way superior to iPhone "because of the larger keyboard".
I typed with the speed that I normally do with my 3GS, and here are samples of what I got:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
I invited the shop assistant to demonstrate his typing on his own Leo, and he too was making lots of mistakes. So much for a keyboard that is "way way better than iPhone's".
Camera
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Having used so many HTC camera in the past, I was not expecting too much here. I was surprised though that it was extremely fast - in fact faster than iPhone's. BUT, the pictures were all having an ugly pink patch in the centre!
When I discussed this problem with the Shop Assistant, he mentioned that his phone does not have this issue, so may be it is just the demo unit having the problem. He then offered his own Leo to me to try out. When I used his camera, it had exactly the same problem, and yet, the shop assistant insisted that he cannot see any pink patch!!! I spent some time pointing his camera to the floor, asked him to focus on a specific part of the floor, then move the camera from left to right, and it was obvious that the floor which was yellow/brownish in color turned pinkish when the centre of the picture frame moves across it. He was silent after that.
Web browsing
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When I used the www.smh.com.au website, I noted that the webpage was still wobbly throughout the rendering and only stabilised toward the end. The top part of this webpage keep changing rather than having the final layout fixed throughout the rending. I found this disconcerting.
When double tapping on a webpage, I was expecting the text to reflow such that it fits exactly to the screen width.
I was disappointed that it does not. I showed this to the shop assistant and he told me that double tapping has been patented by Apple, so HTC is not allowed to make it work!!??? He said I must use pinch zoom to achieve exact fit! Hello???
Finger gestures
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Many iPhone imitators tend to think that pinch/zoom, scroll, and double taps are the only gestures required to make their device friendly. I knew that they are way off the mark by such thinking, and wanted to see if HTC Leo understands this.
- The first thing I wanted to know is whether the excel spreadsheet has a way to select cells. In iPhone, we do a double tap, then without lifting the finger, drag the finger. I was trying to see if this has been copied over to Leo. I was disappointed that it has not been. In fact, I could not find any way to select the excel spreadsheet cells. Not out of the box from what I could see. I tried looking for ways to change the scroll mode to selection mode but it does not exist. I tried holding my finder down until the "T" sign appear to see if anything there lets me select the cell, and there wasn't.
- I then tried to see how easy it is to select text precisely. In iPhone, press and hold will bring up a magnifying glass showing where the cursor is so it is very easy to precisely place the cursor. With Leo, my finger covers the text, so I could not see where the cursor is. The only way is to use the keyboard arrow key which is a little clunky. To select text, I noticed that I have choose the text selection mode in the pop up menu, to change from the scrolling mode to text selection mode. A little inefficient and unproductive, I thought. I also has great difficulties selecting the text precisely down to the last character, because my finger covers the texts itself. A rather poor iPhone gesture imitation, I think.
- The traditional scroll bar has been replaced by a more finger friendly opaque scroll handle that only appear during scrolling. This is similar to the quickscroll2 feature in iPhone, but unfortunately it does not work across all applications like in iPhone, where users could instantly jump to any part of the webpages, or applications instead of having to keep swipping to the right spot.
Task switching and closing
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Out of the box, I could not find any easy way to switch between active task. The task manager that the shop assistant demonstrated was way too impractical as a task switching tool. It really needs something like Kirikae or Proswitcher in conjunction with Backgrounder of iPhone for multitasking.
I used to have WKTask but I'm not sure if it still work in this version of winmo. Without something like that, I would find it extremely frustrating as a user, whenever jumping from task to task. Multitasking with my iPhone is fabulous at the moment.
The shop assistant argued that I could only have such a feature if I jailbreak the phone which is too complicated and it also voids the warranty. This, of course is nonsense. Jailbreaking on iPhone is just downloading BlackRa1n.exe, run it and click on a button with iPhone connected to the PC. It takes about 30 seconds to complete. Also, unlike in Android, anyone can completely reverse jailbreaking by merely doing an equivalent of hard reset to factory condition.
Due to time and a phone call from my wife I had to stop looking deeper into the phone. Perhaps I will return another day to take a closer look.
Anyone having advice or comments on the listed negatives are welcome to do so.
Cheers.
You know, your reasons for being attracted to the HD2 is why I bought it. Weighing pros in against WM 6.5, I would hope for 6.6/7 to come along and iron out what I saw a trend was WM 6.5 being the most common negative point with the HD2 in reviews/users. Hell most of them would have been content with Android instead of WM.
For typing, I haven't used a touchscreen device (bar my Zune HD, but no text entry/calling heavy input on that sadly!) since the LG Viewty came out, along side the first Iphone whenever that was. I'm getting used to it but I feel much more competent using the widescreen keyboard by tilting. Did you try it? Predictive text sounds like it would be your thing from the screen you posted, the tutorial is really handy at the start. I can't compare it to using an Iphone but my friends at school say they prefer the HD2 because of the screensize and they make few/no mistakes.
Camera wise, I've made two registry adjustments in connection with Jpeg compression and the MPEG compression, so they are more crisp and detailed. I've seen the pink dot a lot and I can understand why the HTC guy you mentioned doesn't want to admit that's a problem, I haven't noticed it on my device but I've took quite dark pics. You can't really blame the dude, he's just making a living after all! I can't comment on web browsing, as I've done very little but I'm okay to use pinch to zoom, I can imagine you'd be frustrated without double tapping fitting the screen correctly. Atleast HTC are keeping to Patents unlike Apple/Nokia eh?
For task manager, the quickest method I find is pressing Windows button and it opens the programs list, with the task manager being at the bottom left side of the screen I find that quicker than going into settings, I guess you could make it a quicklink if you wanted?
It's begining to feel like i'm the only person that has none of the problems that people are posting about, with the exception of the over sensitive screen. (easily tweaked, no problem now)
Lots of people say 'on an iphone such and such works in every app' - yes, because apple forces every developer into a strict code of practice. Winmo may not be perfect, but there is no orwellian overseer watching everything and discarding anything it doesn't like the look of (plus taking 30% of any sales a developer makes, just for the privelage of being allowed to sell through their insanely tightly controlled 'marketplace', , , marketplace? one shop isn't a marketplace, its a shop, one shop, just one.)
IN answer to eaglesteve's negatives.
1 - Keyboard. You are correct, the default one isn't much cop. BUT, there are a number of excellent alternatives, my favourite being swype, which works fantastically well with just a little practice.
2 - CAmera. SOrry, I just don't have a pink spot, and i've tried to see it, really i have. Lots of different lighting conditions, plain white paper, different distances, and it just isn't there on mine.
3 - Excel. Again, the swype keyboard has a very handy keypad style screen with arrows, cut,copy,past, home, end, and a lovely 'select text' button which when toggled on lets the arrows select not just excel cells, but files in lists, words in documents, etc.
4 - Precision text selection. (Swype's text selection ignored for the moment) The magnifying selection box can be enabled with a simple registry tweak of changing a 0 to a 1.
5 - SCroll bar not being the same in all aps. OK, this one you are correct, BUT, thats because it is an open marketplace, not controlled by one egomaniac forcing the developers to all play by his rules or not at all.
6 - Task switching. It takes a minute or so to set up, but place a shortcut to taskmanager in the start menu, then that alows you to add it as a shortcut on the home screen. Result = press home key to get to home screen, then open taskman from there, two presses admittedly, but still no more than 3 seconds work.
7 - Jailbreaking. Goes back to the orwellian aspect of the iphone, you shouldn't NEED to jailbreak something you have paid good money for, you should be free to do as you please with it, and not have the manufactirer try and thwart you at every software update.
Not that I want to sound like i'm glorifying the HD2, it's all about preference, i just wanted to point out that your 'cons' aren't actually the big deal they may appear at first glance.
Keyboard: I use TouchPal, but the basic keyboard is fine - particularly if you have the predictive text working (it would have given you perfect results). {Note it does support mutli touch on the keyboard.}
Camera: no problems with mine (no pink spot). There was a patch to fix the problem on the HTC website (for those unlucky enough to have the problem)
Brower: Double-Tapping will reflow the text - I had no problems with the Sydney Morning Herald site.
Excel: You can select multiple cells via the Menu -> Edit -> Make selection.
Task switcher: There are quite a few switchers such as Xtask for WM6.5 (and WM6.5.5). The shop assistant is clearly a idiot as they are simple programs and no "Jailbraking" (custom ROM?) is required.
Re "poor imitation of iphone gestures" - text select has been around in the WM world since it began. Yes, it is dated. No it is not an imitation of the iphone.
Lynehammike,
Actually, the predictive text failed to correct the mistake. It appears that the error correction algorithm is not good enough. The only way to type correctly with the HD2's stock keyboard is to type very slowly and look carefully at where you touch the screen.
Are the vast majority of Leo owners having the pink camera problem or only a handful of unluckly ones? I remember vaguely that Nexus' camera also have exactly the same problem, so is this caused by faulty hardware then? I can imagine how costly it would be for HTC to mass recall the phones and replace the hardware. I wonder if they could use the software to manipulate the color in order to eliminate the pink hue?
No, double tapping does not reflow the text correctly. I tried both IE and Opera and know for a fact that they do not reflow correctly.
I'd go back and try the multicell selection the way you describe. Thanks for the tips.
The shop keeper did show me a task switcher, but task switching simply involves too many steps. With my iPhone, I simply double press the home key to immediately see the list of runnig task, and switch to any one, or kill anyone there. This works regardless of whether the taskbar is visible or not. And it would not kill off a process to cause the device to freeze.
There is really nothing to jailbreaking. It is as simple as running a cab file in winmo device, and nowhere near the complexity of Hard SPL and cooked ROM flashing.
Application programmers who detest the tight control of Apple, and do not wish to seek Apple's approval for the program they write can always take the Cydia route, which is itself a hugh application market. Really there is no real issue that needs worrying about. Upgrading from one Apple firmware to another is a piece of cake, and both App Store and Cydia's applications could be reinstalled automatically without any loss of settings or data after re-jailbreaking.
I really like the screen and CPU of Leo. I wish it can run Android OS. Nexus' hardware somehow does not appeal to me enough. Not as much as Leo's anyway.
I just read from this post that
"they(HTC) just covered the (pink hue) problem with some smart image correction settings. Same cannot be said for motion capture where the said algorighm would most likely slow down the capture and result in dropped frames at the highest settings and that's probabbly the reason why the defect is still visible on video captures ie the patch doesn't fix video capture"
I didn't occur to me to test the video also, but looks like the pink hue problem also applies to videos.
My 2 Cents
Hi steve, good to see u after u1000
I can just say that for a fast input and errorfree and most accurate, i use swype.I dont think so iphone can ever compete with that.I can type @ 100 wpm with swype and same goes for android.
well there are many task managers, available to let u switch among the tasks.
iPhone has safari so WM has lot of options with opera 10, which i guess iphone cannot have in near future.
Ability to visit sites like rapidshare.com and download big 100 mb files and save them to 16 gig storage card, i gues no OS can even think of it as of now.
Pich and zoom can work almost everywhere and it is more than perfect in excel, helping browsing, selecting rows, copy paste them, editing formulas(I am a sales head, so have to check lot of sales reports hence i prefer big screen)
Battery life is better thaniphone 3gs and it doesnt get hot loke iphone 3gs.Compass is also awesome, can be used in google maps(I guess in iphone to use compass in maps, a patch is needed and can be done only by jail break)
and of course upgrade to WM7, will make it more than perfect :d
I suggest, have a relook at it, and am sure u will get it
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Lynehammike,
Actually, the predictive text failed to correct the mistake. It appears that the error correction algorithm is not good enough.
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Do u have XT9 on in the first place , judging on the screenshot? I tried doing a test and mine work perfectly well. even if i intentionally key in the wrong keywords provided in your screenshot, they autocorrect-ed for mine.
I agree with Kivine - in the photo you have definately dissabled the predictive text.
for reflow: double tapping works (with a small caveat). If you tap next to a photo - it does appear to reflow only the margins of the text next to the photos. If you double tap below the photo area it will reflow correctly.
Cheers,
Michael
Lynehammike and Kivine,
You mean the XT9 must turn green on the keyboard for it to work correctly? If so, I'd go back to give it another try. Thanks for the tips.
hdubli said:
Hi steve, good to see u after u1000
I can just say that for a fast input and errorfree and most accurate, i use swype.I dont think so iphone can ever compete with that.I can type @ 100 wpm with swype and same goes for android.
well there are many task managers, available to let u switch among the tasks.
iPhone has safari so WM has lot of options with opera 10, which i guess iphone cannot have in near future.
Ability to visit sites like rapidshare.com and download big 100 mb files and save them to 16 gig storage card, i gues no OS can even think of it as of now.
Pich and zoom can work almost everywhere and it is more than perfect in excel, helping browsing, selecting rows, copy paste them, editing formulas(I am a sales head, so have to check lot of sales reports hence i prefer big screen)
Battery life is better thaniphone 3gs and it doesnt get hot loke iphone 3gs.Compass is also awesome, can be used in google maps(I guess in iphone to use compass in maps, a patch is needed and can be done only by jail break)
and of course upgrade to WM7, will make it more than perfect :d
I suggest, have a relook at it, and am sure u will get it
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Hey hdubli,
How are you mate. Good to see you here again!
100 wpm?? Are you serious? Sorrry, no offence, you would have to put up a youtube demo for me to believe you.
As to browser, there are at least 10 on the iPhone that I've been using and comparing. You have far better browser on the iPhone, sorry, it's true. Apple does not have 130,000 fart applications you know . You can probably find at least 30 browsers around, whereas you get probably about 5 in winmo platform?
As to saving hugh files from sites such as rapidshare, I do it all the time on my iPhone.
Device getting hot happens to my Athena, Touch HD, and iPhone occassionally. Not really a problem specific to any platform I think.
Compass on googlemap has always been there in 3GS since day one without patch. Did somebody tell you that only jailbroken phone can do that?
Yes, the promise that it will be upgraded to WM7 is a reason why I take an interest in Leo. However, I'm not sure if this is a smart thing, as WM7 is always in the horizon like a mirage in the desert, with availability date that is being pushed back all the time, to be replaced by WM6.X. I now do harbour serious doubt about Microsoft's technical abiliity to deliver, and question what they're doing. Here they have WM7, then there is a zune phone, and a pink phone.... I sure hope they know what they 're trying to do... At the moment, the real competition is between google and apple in the mobile phone area, with MS reduced to a mere pawn swept to the side, IMO. Unless MS comes back with something really good and really soon, they might just completely disappear from the scene, I'm afraid. Apple certainly does not see MS as a rival anymore in the smartphone business. The only credible rival is Google. That's why Apple is now trying to team up with MS, and to use Bing instead of Google as the default search engine in iPhone. You know what they say? The enemy of my enermy is my friend. It's an intereting world.
Hi there.
Well I will not argue and start a debate on WM Vs iphone , but my experience of 3 years of iphone and 8 years of WM and 2 years of android tells me that WM is still a better of all three.More freedom.
I can only say that the users report more and more problems on iphone, and all the iphones magic is on jailbreak else there is nothing.
You can get a youtube video to watch on wmpoweruser.com for hd2 and it is really very fast, i abandoned all my hard keyboard phones.
I suggest look it again from all the angles, basically the freedom which u will get, right from custom roms to apps, and lot of things which u already know, and I hope you will come back to the flavour again
Hi All,
I am wondering if anybody here had any success with getting their Yoga Book to work nicely with the GIMP photo editor at all? I can use it to draw, but as a mouse with no pressure. I went through a few tutorials online on how to get the GIMP to work with Bamboo/Wacom tablets, but it doesn't seem to work with the Yoga Book, as the drivers aren't being seen by GIMP or DirectInput for whatever reason.
I am more of a casual artist, and so I don't feel like I want to fork out money for say Photoshop, when the GIMP can for the most part do what I'd like. Plus, I am mostly an open source guy, using Linux as my main daily driver on my home PC, that I am fairly used to the GIMP already.
Thanks!
kveroneau said:
Hi All,
I am wondering if anybody here had any success with getting their Yoga Book to work nicely with the GIMP photo editor at all? I can use it to draw, but as a mouse with no pressure. I went through a few tutorials online on how to get the GIMP to work with Bamboo/Wacom tablets, but it doesn't seem to work with the Yoga Book, as the drivers aren't being seen by GIMP or DirectInput for whatever reason.
I am more of a casual artist, and so I don't feel like I want to fork out money for say Photoshop, when the GIMP can for the most part do what I'd like. Plus, I am mostly an open source guy, using Linux as my main daily driver on my home PC, that I am fairly used to the GIMP already.
Thanks!
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Hey,
I indeed had the same issues with GIMP (also with Krita and MyPaint - I am open source guy as well ) a while ago. The trick is to install specific drives from Wacom. Here is the link (or at least I hope it is, I tried this few months ago ): http://us.wacom.com/en/feeldriver/ EDIT: Please note that this driver might change the way stylus behaves and might not work correctly.
Just little bit of advice/side note; I tried all thinkable painting/photoshop software on my yoga - both open source and piad one (trial versions) - and thou I use open source software daily in my work (GIMP and Inkscape) it is not the same on yoga. Small screen and Atom processor is not very optimal - it works, no doubt about it, but it just isn't same as on the desktop. I hate to admit it, but after a while I ended with older version of Sketchbook Pro - it runs very well and has nice easy UI and reasonably powerful tools, which is perfect for light sketching.
Thanks. So, I tried installing the driver, and it did install successfully. However, GIMP is still unable to work with pressure sensitivity. On the bright side, the Halo keyboard, and touchscreen are unaffected and still work as expected. The only issue from installing the driver is that now when I use the pen on the create, I still a full white windows cursor on the screen which is very very annoying.... I very much preferred the unobtrusive translucent circle. I went into the settings to attempt to return said circle, but it resulted in total failure as the annoying white Windows cursor remained. This now renders any drawing or writing activity now annoying as the windows cursor is an eye sore and just gets in the way and blocks whatever is behind it.
I am writing this on the Yoga book, and I'm just noticing something with the keyboard. I am a very fast typer, and I am feeling the hepatic feedback from each key press, but the click sound is only heard after I stop typing quickly. Not sure if this is related to the driver or if it was like this prior.
I am now considering removing said driver, however, I am unsure if it completely replaced the Lenovo one, and if I remove it, will it just turn this machine into a brick, and needing a full factory reset to get everything back to normal.
For anyone else reading about this driver, I highly recommend to avoid installing it until these specific quirks can be figured out, and if uninstalling it after will result in a non-functional wacom touch screen and create pad. I am really hoping that the keyboard part of the create pad is part of a completely separate driver, and the pen button/light is just a toggle between two completely separate hardware modes. I'll see if I can use a restore point perhaps to return back the previous functionality. I am hoping that Lenovo themselves issues an update for this rather great piece of technology so that we don't need to download wacom or third party non-Lenvovo tested drivers. This device is fairly unique and it's hard to see a generic driver keeping all the customization from Lenovo working 100%.
UPDATE: Okay, so I was unable to remove the driver using the standard add/remove program thing in Windows, which seemed to have restored the original functionality. My cursor is back to a nice small circle when I hover or use the create pad with the pen, which is much more favorable. I can live without pressure sensitivity in GIMP, as long as the sketching apps have pressure and show me a non-obtrusive circle, I can easily export said sketches into PNG format and import that into the GIMP to further edit using more advanced tools.
kveroneau said:
Thanks. So, I tried installing the driver, and it did install successfully. However, GIMP is still unable to work with pressure sensitivity. On the bright side, the Halo keyboard, and touchscreen are unaffected and still work as expected. The only issue from installing the driver is that now when I use the pen on the create, I still a full white windows cursor on the screen which is very very annoying.... I very much preferred the unobtrusive translucent circle. I went into the settings to attempt to return said circle, but it resulted in total failure as the annoying white Windows cursor remained. This now renders any drawing or writing activity now annoying as the windows cursor is an eye sore and just gets in the way and blocks whatever is behind it.
I am writing this on the Yoga book, and I'm just noticing something with the keyboard. I am a very fast typer, and I am feeling the hepatic feedback from each key press, but the click sound is only heard after I stop typing quickly. Not sure if this is related to the driver or if it was like this prior.
I am now considering removing said driver, however, I am unsure if it completely replaced the Lenovo one, and if I remove it, will it just turn this machine into a brick, and needing a full factory reset to get everything back to normal.
For anyone else reading about this driver, I highly recommend to avoid installing it until these specific quirks can be figured out, and if uninstalling it after will result in a non-functional wacom touch screen and create pad. I am really hoping that the keyboard part of the create pad is part of a completely separate driver, and the pen button/light is just a toggle between two completely separate hardware modes. I'll see if I can use a restore point perhaps to return back the previous functionality. I am hoping that Lenovo themselves issues an update for this rather great piece of technology so that we don't need to download wacom or third party non-Lenvovo tested drivers. This device is fairly unique and it's hard to see a generic driver keeping all the customization from Lenovo working 100%.
UPDATE: Okay, so I was unable to remove the driver using the standard add/remove program thing in Windows, which seemed to have restored the original functionality. My cursor is back to a nice small circle when I hover or use the create pad with the pen, which is much more favorable. I can live without pressure sensitivity in GIMP, as long as the sketching apps have pressure and show me a non-obtrusive circle, I can easily export said sketches into PNG format and import that into the GIMP to further edit using more advanced tools.
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Hey, sorry to hear that you had issues, I did not noticed any when I tried the driver and pressure in GIMP/Krita/MyPaint was working - if I remember correctly, there was new wacom icon under Control Panel, did you tried adjust this? Also in GIMP you need to enable, and correctly set, "Dynamic" setting under brush tool for pressure sensitivity to work.
Anyway, I edited my previous post with warning about drivers so that anyone would know immediately. Again sorry for the issues, but from my point of view it worked.
Talsi said:
Hey, sorry to hear that you had issues, I did not noticed any when I tried the driver and pressure in GIMP/Krita/MyPaint was working - if I remember correctly, there was new wacom icon under Control Panel, did you tried adjust this? Also in GIMP you need to enable, and correctly set, "Dynamic" setting under brush tool for pressure sensitivity to work.
Anyway, I edited my previous post with warning about drivers so that anyone would know immediately. Again sorry for the issues, but from my point of view it worked.
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I did notice the new settings under control panel, but there was nothing there but pen button related options, of which the Lenovo pen has no buttons. I tried a few options in GIMP, and the Wacom tablet did display itself as an Input device. I figure I could have gotten it working, but having a full Windows cursor when using the create pad was just a bit distracting in my eyes. This cursor persisted in programs which it is normally absent such as the Windows built-in Sketchpad which is one of the easiest and quickest programs to launch for quick jotting of notes and sketches. I tried changing a few options in both Settings and Control panel, but the Windows cursor remained.
Thank for your help anyways, I'm sure this driver will be useful to other people.