Hello!
Have you seen the optical sensor on the Samsung Omnia, when you use it a mouse pointer appears like on your desktop computer, then I thought of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Owgcos_KY
The whole button area is touch sensitive, couldn´t someone make a program that activates the area as a "touchpad" so a pointer appears on the screen?
Best Regards Gustaf
Nice idea
I like that idea..! Could get pretty usefull ..
Why isn´t more people interested in my idea, wasn´t my description clear enough?
give me one situation where you actually need this?
i usually have my touch in one hand and using the finger from the other hand to type in commands.
i never have the device lying on the table.
useless for me actually.
1) this is old news, better had done a search
2) there are people working on this (touchxperience)
3) it is NOT multitouch but three singletouch capacitive surfaces.
I don't see any real use for this in every day use, like having a mouse pointer on screen is kinda worthless when you can use your finger on the screen instead.
However this could come in useful in a gaming or likewise situation with the use of finger guester's (spelling) to control things instead of button presses etc, especially as in a game you don't want your fingers blocking whats going on on the screen! Since the d pad on the diamond is next to worthless using this interface could in fact be quite good. Still can't think of an exact situation where it could come in useful mind!
there is no point in this as you already have a touch screen so that eliminates any use of needing a "pointer"
however, as said earlier, touchXperience is in development so check that out if you really wish.
I think it would be actually pretty usefull for text edition-correction or to copy and paste text on web pages.... that could be cool
I hate to use the stylus and a mouse pointer is alot more precise than my thumb. So navigating outside TF3D, Gaming, Showoff, textediting etc.
Everything I wanted to say is mentioned by other people already.
Useless, touxchXperience in dev, similar ideas, ...
Seems like a lot of people drop in and start of by saying: Hey you there! create this for me! and then change it to that ... and then ...
TouchXperience may make use of the area but not at all like my suggestion. I just thought that it could be useful for some....
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Hi everyone,
just want to know, for the VueFlo Function, is it very sensitive to slight and mild tilts? eg if you tilt the device slowly to the sides or up and down in IE, does the screen/page move?
If it is, I plan to make an app/software for it in the future
So interested in Athena but sadly, it's not available in Aussie yet.
its pretty sensitive, only need to tilt a few degree up down left or right. trick is when to turn it on, since all movements are relative to the orientation of the device when vueflow is activated.
i find it just a gimmick for web browsing
the most obvious application would b an arcade game navigating a ball around a maze or something
or a dodgy electronic attitude indicator for an aircraft
shockboy2000 said:
its pretty sensitive, only need to tilt a few degree up down left or right. trick is when to turn it on, since all movements are relative to the orientation of the device when vueflow is activated.
i find it just a gimmick for web browsing
the most obvious application would b an arcade game navigating a ball around a maze or something
or a dodgy electronic attitude indicator for an aircraft
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Ok. Thanks for that quick reply.
Electronic Attitude Indicator: That's the app I wanted to make.
The sensitivity can be adjusted to low or high and several points in between. Goto settings and VueFlo to adjust sensitivity.
You can also change it work to work in IE or Opera
How do you turn off Vue Flo?? It's driving me nuts!!!
jeffharris said:
How do you turn off Vue Flo?? It's driving me nuts!!!
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Long press the same button...the icon will disappear in the above menu bar to confirm this.
Thanks!! That does the trick ... You Rock !!!!
So any more owners with comments on this feature? Anyone find it useful?
I find it very useful for random browsing of web pages and news pages.It is easy to turn on and off,and once you get used to it, it really works quite well.
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hdbueller said:
I find it very useful for random browsing of web pages and news pages.It is easy to turn on and off,and once you get used to it, it really works quite well.
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Great! Anyone else with thumbs up?
Packet 3 said:
Hi everyone,
just want to know, for the VueFlo Function, is it very sensitive to slight and mild tilts? eg if you tilt the device slowly to the sides or up and down in IE, does the screen/page move?
If it is, I plan to make an app/software for it in the future
So interested in Athena but sadly, it's not available in Aussie yet.
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Can't you order an unlocked version and have it shipped to you?
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Yes, it's a nice little addon to the device. I use it when I am browsing long pages or am spending a lot of time online, etc.
Wish there was a way to customize it and allow it to interact with other applications. It would be ideal for there to be a settings area where you see a list of installed applications and a check box next to each. Then if you check the box next to Word for example, you could use it with that application. I wonder if it just emulates the directional keys and if so if this can be adapted as an alternate input method. Instead of using the joystick, just write a wrapper that will accept input from Vueflow.
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Yes, it's a nice little addon to the device. I use it when I am browsing long pages or am spending a lot of time online, etc.
Wish there was a way to customize it and allow it to interact with other applications. It would be ideal for there to be a settings area where you see a list of installed applications and a check box next to each. Then if you check the box next to Word for example, you could use it with that application. I wonder if it just emulates the directional keys and if so if this can be adapted as an alternate input method. Instead of using the joystick, just write a wrapper that will accept input from Vueflow.
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That would be the ultimate solution for using SPB Insight RSS reader!!!
Any way to use VueFLO in all apps?
Obviously, this would be ideal for scrolling through emails/contacts etc.
Unfortunately, doesn't seem like anyone has managed to access the API's/runtimes for this yet---anyone want to give it a shot?
Guys,
I really think we should bring this one back to life, what with the iphone and all its spirit levels and labyrinth games
The simplicity of windows api structure is what makes pocket pc so versatile, lets take advantage!
And there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell I’m going to sit back and watch my co-workers tell me how crap my phone is compared to their Iphone. I’m not in the game of letting a friend's spirit go uncrushed.
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The Vuoflo is no different in principle to the N95's accellerometer or the Iphone's auto rotate hardware. It could be used for anything involving d-pad movement (search for NOKMOTE or ROTATEME on Youtube and you'll see what I mean).
It seems that HTC have put a lot of effort into making this hardware un-tappable. Either that or developers aren't interested in developing for it. The possibilities are great though.
before we go any further, id like to point out im not a complete luddite and ive thought about this a fair bit before posting...
looking at the iphone vids, i notice that multi touch pretty much means dual touch. i expect their technology allows for more than two fingers, but the space and OS dont really allow for this.
in playing with my univ, i notice it does some kind of averaging between to fingers - so possibly at a low level u could get multi-touch - but logic says if this is possible, sure it would have been done by now.
my logic also says this:
if u get a second touch screen plate (i beleive that the touch screen element is a layer over the screen - if this isnt true, my logic is flawed) and install it over the top of the current screen - but rotated 180 degrees, and there is the provisioning for a second touch screen input (probably unlikely but surely u could hijack something else such as the serial used for irda) then if you can read the top left touch of each screen, u should have fairly accurate multi touch, good enough for the cheesy 'grab photo and resize by stretching'
am i totally wrong here? is there any point looking further into this?
ps. in writing this, it also occurs to me that the iphones biggest use of this is the photos - which are always in the same place, scaled on correct aspect ratio etc - theres no need for two fingers - u could just grab one corner to stretch it and itd be a very similar efect
Nope, sorry.
Dear Alan,
I thank you for your insightful reply. I feel you have bettered the forum and the community as a whole with your intelligent wit and your interesting and thought inducing contradictions to the theories that i presented.
Without your thoughts I may have been tempted to push these ideas further, maybe even get out a soldering iron and a copy of visual studio, but I can clearly see that I am mistaken in where this project could go and will not further waste my time.
I must thank you kind sir, for your thought and advice. You are a squire and a gentleman.
Lol
I don't think DIY hardware upgrades have ever made it far - consider the viability of GPS on the Hermes - it does require one to pop out a soldering iron to play with the idea. So your market is already down to a fraction of a %.
But I'm sure you could wire up a bluetooth or even IRDA multitouch capacitance layer... However, from a theoretical point of view - is it worth it? I considered the idea, and the Universal/Athena might make sense with your bigger screen, but on your average Hermes, I can barely get two fingers on the screen without obscurring most of it.
Like momentum based scrolling, I think multitouch on such a small screen is kinda gimicky - as you said, it's easier to write logic to pin one corner, free rotate with a finger on the other corner, enlarge, zoom etc. Ie ergonomic single touch.
Multitouch, even if possible on HTCs, barely seems to have a practical milieu IMHO on devices with screens <= 3 inches.
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djboo said:
ps. in writing this, it also occurs to me that the iphones biggest use of this is the photos - which are always in the same place, scaled on correct aspect ratio etc - theres no need for two fingers - u could just grab one corner to stretch it and itd be a very similar efect
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I am totally agree with you. and there are some other relatively simple solutions that can be used to simulate "multi touch actions" on photos.
for an instance,
D-PAD can be used for photos enlargement:
press both "left" and "right" - scales photos up
press both "up" and "down" - scales photos down
or other way around, etc.
this one not so difficult to implement.
also, it is quite easy to emulate multi-touch action on single touch display itself.
How? if we have applied layer consisted from interleaved pressure sensitive and non-sensitive spots, then having two fingers moved in opposite directions accros this layer will likely create sequence of pressed spots that can be easily analysed and interpreted in guesture.
my understanding is that while your left finger is moving to the left and crossing pressure non-sensitive spot, there is a good chance that your right finger at the same time will be crossing presure sensitive spot and moving to the right. this creates easy to analyze patern.
I believe that logic behind this idea is simple to primitive and guaranteed to work. "public domain" 20.06.2007.
are there any existing apps to get the raw output from the touchscreen (ive got nothing against coding my own, but no need to re-invent the wheel if it already exists)
the more i play with the univ and more than one finger, the more that it almost seems like its multi touch dumbed down to single touch. the averaging it does is rather uncanny and im sure if we can see whats happening before the os gets a look in we can work something out
I have been using WM-based device for quite a while now. There is one thing that really annoys me: it is not created for fast and easy use with your fingers. Most of the time, i don't use my stylus but quickly go to the options with my finger(nails). The problem is: all the tabs/buttons/scroll bars/slide bars are so small, i always hit the wrong button.
There are some apps on the market, but all of these doing just half the trick: the user-friendliness always ends when you open messenging or the calander: you get stuck with the standard apps delivered by microsoft with all the tiny buttons etc. (the iPhone theme had this problem, spb shell has this problem too)
Well, this is what i want to ask: is there a developer here who can make a total GUI remake for easy and fast usage? I know it will take some time to make, but all WM5/WM6 user could benefit from it!
Never going to happen.
Any dev that remakes the GUI WILL charge for it, seeing as a LOT of hours would have to go into it in order to get a working prototype.
Just use the stylus. It's a much easier solution.
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I have been using WM-based device for quite a while now. There is one thing that really annoys me: it is not created for fast and easy use with your fingers. Most of the time, i don't use my stylus but quickly go to the options with my finger(nails). The problem is: all the tabs/buttons/scroll bars/slide bars are so small, i always hit the wrong button.
There are some apps on the market, but all of these doing just half the trick: the user-friendliness always ends when you open messenging or the calander: you get stuck with the standard apps delivered by microsoft with all the tiny buttons etc. (the iPhone theme had this problem, spb shell has this problem too)
Well, this is what i want to ask: is there a developer here who can make a total GUI remake for easy and fast usage? I know it will take some time to make, but all WM5/WM6 user could benefit from it!
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Use WisBar Advance Desktop. You can completely change things to whatever you want and however you want.
Try using the buttons. Most stuff can be done using the buttons. Easier to learn using the buttons than to wait for dev to make things bigger. Try SmartKey
or get a phone with bigger screen.
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Use WisBar Advance Desktop. You can completely change things to whatever you want and however you want.
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can i change the looks of the menu/settings with wisbar?
i have a HUGE screen compared to a normal phone and its a TOUCHSCREEN, i want to use it as much as possible !!!
_Pumba_ said:
can i change the looks of the menu/settings with wisbar?
i have a HUGE screen compared to a normal phone and its a TOUCHSCREEN, i want to use it as much as possible !!!
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What phone do you have?
You can change the today screen and the top bar, along with the start menu-etc with wisbar.
For bigger keyboards, there are plenty of programs out there that you can use (intellipad-etc)
Have you looked at the iPhone simulation apps that are scattered all over?
I believe they even got a contacts app now that is finger-friendly.
The thing is this - WM is not "finger friendly", it does fine with touch screen.
The price for finger friendly interface is less information displayed at any given time. Many phones use 2.8 / 2.7 inch displays and that is tiny.
Personally I am willing to forgo the fingers (they dirty the screen anyway) and use hardware button and stylus when needed.
But to each his own and you may consider the real iPhone as your next device - it is designed to be used entirely with your fingers (doesn't even come with a stylus as far as I know)
levenum said:
Have you looked at the iPhone simulation apps that are scattered all over?
I believe they even got a contacts app now that is finger-friendly.
The thing is this - WM is not "finger friendly", it does fine with touch screen.
The price for finger friendly interface is less information displayed at any given time. Many phones use 2.8 / 2.7 inch displays and that is tiny.
Personally I am willing to forgo the fingers (they dirty the screen anyway) and use hardware button and stylus when needed.
But to each his own and you may consider the real iPhone as your next device - it is designed to be used entirely with your fingers (doesn't even come with a stylus as far as I know)
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I checked out the contacts app and this is nice. You're point about more information on a screen is true, but i do think microsoft could have made it a bit more convenient.
_Pumba_ said:
I have been using WM-based device for quite a while now. There is one thing that really annoys me: it is not created for fast and easy use with your fingers. Most of the time, i don't use my stylus but quickly go to the options with my finger(nails). The problem is: all the tabs/buttons/scroll bars/slide bars are so small, i always hit the wrong button.
Well, this is what i want to ask: is there a developer here who can make a total GUI remake for easy and fast usage? I know it will take some time to make, but all WM5/WM6 user could benefit from it!
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i mean WM based devices were created for the use in conjunction with a stylus... it has been only recently that this "iphone no stylus" craze has been happening and no people want to use their fingers etc. i honestly like using the stylus because the screen doesn't get fingerprints on it. with wisbar u can create "bigger" buttons. just my .02
Wow, it's been almost 5 years since I used a windows mobile device. Still, can't help it now that HTC Touch Pro and SE Xperia X1 bombards the scene like bat out of hell and I decided to pick either one.
Anyway, since I read stellar reviews between both devices, it just boils down to one thing...
I'm an avid ebook reader, as such I'm looking for a capable device that allows for convenient ebook reading experience. I search prior postings and basically they just talk about which application is best to use, which is the third thing on my list.
The first point is how the device is used to read those ebooks. I used to own Sony Ericsson M600, and reading ebooks/pdf files is a heaven with the jog dial navigation. Now the X1 has the optical sensor, and every video review I saw showcases navigation with sensitivity... Now my big question is, can the optical pad navigation be used to scroll an ebook/pdf reader? What I mean is to literally move the whole page with the pad when I slide my finger on the pad, not just using a pointer to drag a scroll bar. If can, I don't want to touch the screen at all because I have an extra greasy fingers and I prefer not taking out the stylus.
The second point is how the screen handles text? With such high pixel density ratio, would it just kill the font sizes? Sure I can just zoom in but would it have any adverse effects?
Pardon these silly questions, it's just that I have been to long out of touch with windows mobile scenes. The X1 is a heart stealer, but a friend offered me his Touch Pro used for US$600, although not quite a steal, it's still US$200 less than the money I already prepared for the X1... So it's basically boils down to one
I too am an extremely avid book reader, and like you the ability to read books on my phone was a huge thing...
Point no.1 - with ms reader you can use the optical to navigate and it works well... I also use ubook and for that one you can go back a page quite well but to go forward it seems to enable the auto scroll (that could be a setting I need to change somewhere, still working it all out), I also use ae button to change the volume up and down to page up and down on one click which works a treat....
point 2... imho the text handling is freaking awesome... not only is it very very clear with small size text in English, its the same in Chinese (which was a huge deal maker for me).... making text larger just makes it bigger and I havent noticed any adverse effects yet...
your other point re readers, I use ms reader alot for my huge collection of .lit books but have found that ubook reader (by gowerpoint http://gowerpoint.com/uBook_down.html ) is pretty good for some file types, you can also get mobi pocket reader http://www.mobipocket.com/en/HomePage/default.asp?Language=EN and tiny ebook reader http://classic.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=10380 which are ok... it seems that it is really really difficult to get a book reader that can read all the different file types e books come in.. shame really...
to sum up, reading on the x1 is awesome...
Shadowdh said:
to sum up, reading on the x1 is awesome...
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That my friend... Is a deal maker.
But what about text handling in term of zooming in and out? Is it possible to use just the hardware button to do it? The side volume buttons seems awfully fit to have that description... If possible I'm not touching the screen at any time.
TBH I am not sure if the hardware buttons can do the zooming, I guess they probably can (esp if you use ae button or similar to map them) but I havent got that far in the tweaking of my baby yet...! And to tell the truth I have found that I have not had to zoom yet as the text is very readable...
The X1 is rather heavy and the screen is quite small.
Well I've read 6 novels so far on my X1 using mobipocket.
The optical joystick is too sensitive (I use the d-pad)
Other than that this thing is excellent for reading on (This comes from someone who was primarily reading on a sony 505 eInk reader)
I do like to set the background to blue and the text to white though, find it easier and less straining than black on white
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The X1 is rather heavy and the screen is quite small.
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It's better than the other device that the OP is considering, however.
If I had to pick between the Touch Pro and the X1, it'd be the X1.
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The X1 is rather heavy and the screen is quite small.
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I dont find this at all... in fact its smaller and lighter than my Kaiser/TyTN II/MDA Vario III but the screen is easier to read and much clearer...
i think my x1a is rather heavy (in a good way for me) and the screen is small tho the resolution is sharp.
if you like to read on a small screen then i say go for it. as i mentioned, the screen is small but sharp, only thing i find is that its hard to read when my eyes are tired.
Agree .. the screen is small, but otherwise good. Touch HD would be better. But then you can have problems with turning pages.
I use Halli reader.
As for PDF .. is there anything better then Adobe ?
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And to tell the truth I have found that I have not had to zoom yet as the text is very readable...
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This is what I want to hear especially from a user, and I think it's all set I guess, X1 it is... Now to search for that uncrackable batch...
Oh, and about how small the X1 screen is, the Touch Pro would be lesser joy to have then.
Hey guys. I'm a poster from the HTC Vogue (Touch) Android forums here. I've been working on writing this drum game for a few months now and I wanted to see if I could get a little more attention from the community. Here's the original thread I started:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=672836
You may have seen a post yesterday on the home portal about "Matt's Drum Game," well I added a few cool features, renamed it "Touch Drummer" and uploaded that to the market as well. I'm pretty giddy about it, if only because I created an algorithm for multi-touch on resistive screens in about 4 days. It's not perfect but for the game it works well.
There are really two different aspects of my implementation for multi-touch. If you are clicking very rapidly, sometimes the screen won't recognize that you released the first touch, even as the second touch comes in. As long as they are within 150 ms of each other, the app will recognize two separate touches. This allows for some wicked quick banging on the drums! But if you touch one spot and hold it for over 150 ms, then multi-touch a different spot, my algorithm will not only play the original drum but also the second drum, hence multi-touch. The limitation is that you cannot use two fingers to hit two drums almost at the same time, because on the resistive screen it might only register as one point and I have no way of knowing that it's really two. And the reason for the delay is sometimes you aren't actually trying to touch two spots but it would recognize it as that and the point would end up far away from your intended touch. The delay helps forge a difference in the two methods.
Well I'd love to hear from you guys on what you think about the game and the multi-touch. And please, if you don't mind, download "Touch Drummer - Demo" and give a good ranking. I promise that it is a ton of fun, especially for a drummer like myself.
I think that the game is really good - I can touch two drums nearly simultaneously, due to the very small time interval for registering taps.
I have an idea though - maybe you could add challenges with an online high scoreboard, and add voice recognition through the phone's mic for people who wish to sing when drumming.
Keep going at it; I think your game will become brilliant!
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I think that the game is really good - I can touch two drums nearly simultaneously, due to the very small time interval for registering taps.
I have an idea though - maybe you could add challenges with an online high scoreboard, and add voice recognition through the phone's mic for people who wish to sing when drumming.
Keep going at it; I think your game will become brilliant!
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Cool, what device are you on? Right now I'm working on making it look good on any screen size, right now it's not for 320x240. I've just added a menu, and adjusted what happens when you go home from the app or press back. Once I learn all the basic stuff that every app needs to have, I will start adding more features. Like the multitouch, someone suggested it, so I went ahead and researched it and can add it. So thanks for the feedback.
BTW I realized there is a forum for software development, and one for games and apps. Should I move this over there?
EDIT: Moved to...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6388061#post6388061
Please do not respond to this thread.