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This is not the Sharp version that has to be patched with a modified .dll to work, this is the real thing. Unfortunately, only a beta so far, and only a 45 Day Testversion at that, but very nice to look at nontheless, and it natively starts in VGA Mode.
http://www.opera.com/download/mobil... Pocket PC phones running Windows Mobile 5.0.
Thanks Rapax,
Just downloaded it and will soon install.
Thanks once again for sharing this vital information
Kind Regards
After a brief trial:
Page rendering is probably the best (better than PIE and Netfront 3.3)
Does not handle mail attachments in web based e-mail accounts such as Gmail. Both PIE and Netfront 3.3 do support file attachments.
Does not support flash sites though I have Macromedia flash player 6.0 on my Jasjar and PIE uses it. Netfront will take advantage of flash sites once the commercial version is available.
In terms of speed Opera appears to be the fastest compared to PIE and Netfront 3.3
Don't know if there is a way to define a user-agent because in its current form it forces us to mobile versions of web sites. I could not visit my hotmail site and it forces me to the mobile msn site. Likewise for www.handango.com
So all in all I have mixed feelings regarding this browser. Good in some areas but not the best. For my needs Netfront is still the overall winner. (However these are just my views)
Again may be it is only me but after I have used and closed opera (really closed) it prevents Planmaker to start up. I have to reset the Jasjar to be able to use planmaker again.
Regards
Sweet Lord, it's gorgeous. Simply gorgeous.
THIS is the browser that should be included with WM5.0.
EDIT: TAB doesn't work to move between fields...minor point.
Sharp version - new version
What's the difference compared to the Sharp-hacked one?
Do you see any improvement?
I have that, and it's working well.
The major problem I have is in using java applets. Unfortunately it seems a problem only Nefront 3.3 will be able to solve.
Opera looks good on initial usage.
Seems very kind to the RAM, did not see any leakage unlike with PIE
I ve tried it but it doesnt start. I ve installed in sd and ram but doesnt start. Any idea?
No errors. the clock spin 4 times and nothing hapens.....
Is there a way to import my PIE bookmarks?
Has this version fixed the double-space bug when entering stuff into text fields?
I am using it too. I think this browser looks especially nice on these model of phones because of the landscape screen orientation, and VGA.
it seems to work very quickly, as well and I did not have a problem with java applets. in fact I went to my bank site and alot of other sites that used java with no problem. Not sure how they manage to fit everything and resize everything to that small screen but for right now it will be my browser of choice.
It handles new windows very well and like other said doesn't take alot of ram. i do find it runs better when installed on storage memory as oppose to memory card storage.
i am going to continue to test it though. I have not played with netfront 3.3 as much.. but i like opera alot better.so far.
those that have not tried it I highly recommend it.
I didn't like Opera 8.5. Personally, I prefer PIE with Multi IE... can't find any better!
today at the university I tried out the wlan capabilitys of my device and it was a great experience sitting in the cafeteria and surfing at some news sites with that little fellow when all the others used big laptops occupying all their tablespace :lol:
I used the internet explorer first and then tried out the mozilla minimo browser. IE was "ok" and minimo just sucked with the handling and speed. I also know there's an opera version but I never tried it online. any other good browsers out there? any favs? :wink:
A lot of people seem to agree that Opera 8.6 is a really good browser. It's not free though. You get a 30 day trial, but after that you must pay for it. It's 24USD I beleive.
Try Thunderhawk. http://www.bitstream.com/wireless/
I've been using Thunderhawk ( http://www.bitstream.com/wireless/index.html ) with great success. I absolutely love it. They route all traffic through their servers and software so you end up with the web page designed for your desktop rendered nearly perfectly on your Pocket PC.
The methods they use reduce all graphics to a size managable by our devices without any drop in quality. Pages load extremely fast and I'm just using my T-Mobile internet connection. Between it and IE, just isn't even a contest.
I have not used Opera though, so I can't comment on it. But I highly reccomend trying Thunderhawk.
I don't have the Screenshot program installed on my device, but here are a couple of pics I snapped so that you can see the layout. First is DrudeReport.com and I'm sure you're familiar with the second. :wink:
B**tard! You beat me to it!
but thunderhawk is not free!
I use PIEPlus, which is very nice.
Thanks guys I will check out both, thunderhawk and pieplus. But actually pieplus doesn't seem to be free either.
Let me extend my question at this point
Which cool and usefull internetrelated software do you use on your wizard?
Also give Netfront 3.3 a trial though it is not free.
I am using it and am very satisfied with it. Specially if you surf the web with a fast WiFi connection then sites with flash animations really turn out great. It is the only WM5 browser with flash support.
Regards
Opera 8.6.
I used others but this one allowed me to run java scripts that PIE couldn't.
I can use it on my banking sites and other secured sites that other have had trouble or simply don't work.
It is worth the money. IMO.
thunderhawk vs Opera? Anybody?
Opera Mini 2.0
It's a Java App. and it's free.
Go to mini.opera.com on PIE and download and install.
To me it has the fastest and best performance when compared to native WM browsers. I use it daily... the only time I don't use it is when I want to look at an animated radar image. That is about the only limitation to Opera Mini... no animated images. You can still download files, and save images from it. 8)
To be honest I have stuck with PIE. Opera does format a little better but considering you now have to pay for it I will stick with PIE.
using clearvue - = crap!
any offers?
try the free adobe reader
it ll read any pdf u throw at it(but takes >7mb)
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readerforppc.html
Never had any problems with this one. Got it installed on SD card rather than internal memory but works just fine.
G
trying it out now!!!
cheers
gotta be better than clearvue - it blows
little_rock said:
trying it out now!!!
cheers
gotta be better than clearvue - it blows
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it's better, but not that great either. very bloated and crashes often. is fast though.
i personally like Ansyr Primer, which is no longer sold. a little slow in rendering, but doesn't crash as often as the adobe and less memory hungry. you can also add annotations and bookmarks. it doesn't do tagged files like the adobe reader, which is one good things going for it.
I don't know why there is so little development in producing good pdf readers.
in any case, using pdfs a lot, i keep them all, and find them useful for different types of documents.
with Primer, you have to apply a vga aware patch, from something like tweaks 2k2, if you have a vga machine. I bought my copy a while ago. if nobody is selling it, i've checked and noted other sources do have it.
PocketXPDF
http://pocketxpdf.sourceforge.net/
I find it the best one.
Renders pages in real VGA.
best regards,
P
just for the record - the adobe ppc pdf reader sux.
it lasted 2 hours on my rig.
trying sourceforge jobbie now . . .
Try `foxit' pdf reader which has just released for ppc ,the evaluation purpose .( just reminds it and there no limit of days as i have neen using it for so many number of days) the best or the worst part is that it runs from itself , installs no files on windows folder . it is one single file(1.25 mb) transferred via active sync to the storage card then add to today screen via pocket plus and then through resco explre make it the default program to view pdf files
nabuhonodozor said:
PocketXPDF
http://pocketxpdf.sourceforge.net/
I find it the best one.
Renders pages in real VGA.
best regards,
P
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Use this one all the time.
Putting into full screen landscape allows half of a full page to be easily readable.
Only down side is the delay in waiting for the next page to load - hopefully this will be fixed in a later version
Matt
Hey matt.
you're only bloody right!
this is a good reader guys.
nice rendering, i think a little better than clearvue and certainly the pile of elephant turd that is the adobe reader - that was just embarrassing!
lr
Help please
Hi All
Coud someone please get the .cab file from :
http://pocketxpdf.sourceforge.net/
And put it on the board , as my proxy at work wont let me download it the normal way.
Please please please someone help
thanks
Steve
Ask and you will receive my brother!
Many Many thanks
Many Many thanks
You are a life saver !
Steve
it takes bloody ages to load initially and the page load times is fairly crap but full screen and programmable h/ware buttons makes it kewl.
as i said before the rendering is pretty wicked too!
WOW!!!! Just installed PocketXPDF and it has got to be the best PPC PDF reader available. Rendering the pages does take a while but at least it is worth the wait.
Thanks for sharing that with us.
Adobe?
I tried my pdf book which has 2700 pages in my JASJAR with Adobe reader,it nicely tagged it for viewing in "reflow mode" (text wraps around to fit the screen) so that we need not scroll it horizontally even after zooming.
Wow! how nicely Adobe did it and I could read the book continously in reflow mode with zoom.I think NO Other pdf reader can do this.Even 'Repligo',I tried same book with Repligo pdf mobilizer,still no reflowing.
Adobe reader is the Best pdf reader without any doubt,but it has its own drawbacks like: Very bulky,freezes ur PPC if not used for sometime(after opening).No official compatibility for WM5 devices.
If the size of the file is small,any reader would do.But bigger files,reflow mode Adobe is jus Gr8!
Acrobat reader has been working great for me for the past two years.
it just depends on the following question:
- do you use a realVGA 'hack'?
if yes:
use acrobat reader
if no:
use pocketXPDF reader
because you really want VGA instead of qVGA. and reflow is a really big plus for acrobat imo
nabuhonodozor said:
PocketXPDF
http://pocketxpdf.sourceforge.net/
I find it the best one.
Renders pages in real VGA.
best regards,
P
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Yep...
It's the Best!
RE
I believe non of the mentioned readers can do the followings completely
a) must have scrolling feature (available in Adobe Reader)
b) text and picture must be sharp (apply to all readers except Adobe)
c) small in size (definitely not for Adobe Reader)
Any?
I received my new x7501 a couple of days ago. I am disappointed with the web browsing experience using Opera Mobile.
I've been using Opera on my Kaiser and it works differently. On the Kaiser, I use both Opera Mobile 8.65, and Opera Mini 4. If I could copy text and if it were tabbed for multiple pages, I would only use Opera Mini 4.
On the QVGA screen of the Kaiser, Opera Mini does a great job of taking a web page that has multiple columns of text, and rendering the columns in a width that fits the screen width of the Kaiser. The worst thing, in my opinion, is having to scroll horizontally to read text.
On the Kaiser, in Opera Mobile, sometimes horizontal scrolling is necessary. On the Athena, in Opera Mobile, it seems like horizontal scrolling is always necessary. I've tried different settings and different orientations. I've tried RealVGA with different DPI resolutions. The text always seems to be too wide.
When I use the Opera Mobile setting of Display in One Column, it only uses half of the width of the screen. It is as if Opera Mobile is unaware of the larger, wider screen of the Athena, and thinks it only has QVGA to render the column.
On my Athena, using Opera Mobile, the font sizes are wierd, sometimes extremely big while other text is very small. It doesn't do this on the Kaiser. It depends on the web site, and how the page is designed, but on the Kaiser in Mini and Mobile, the fonts and the text columns seem to render better than on the Athena.
I like the large fonts and large icons of the standard display, running without RealVGA or similar utilities, because it enables me to use the touch screen without a stylus. I've tried RealVGA 1.1 and MvRTrueVAG, and there are several rendering defects that I don't like.
I realise that with time and effort, I may be able to play with the settings and find a combination that works for me. I'm hoping that I'll get feedback to this posting that will help me find better settings. I'm wondering if I should just install the Black Dual PK 3.0 ROM and see how well things render in it.
Having a good web browsing experience is my main objective.
Thanks, Bren
You can try new NetFront 3.5 concept or Opera 9.xx on the athena - they are best for now
Thanks for the suggestion. I had found the earlier post about browsers, and found the link to NetFront.
I'm still getting familiar with it. I like that I can toggle between scrolling or selecting text to copy.
I'm trying to figure out how to choose a different font. It wants to display everything in Courier monotype.
Anyway, so far, I'm encouraged that I've found a browser that is improving my browsing experience with my new machine.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I had found the earlier post about browsers, and found the link to NetFront.
I'm still getting familiar with it. I like that I can toggle between scrolling or selecting text to copy.
I'm trying to figure out how to choose a different font. It wants to display everything in Courier monotype.
Anyway, so far, I'm encouraged that I've found a browser that is improving my browsing experience with my new machine.
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Netfront 3.5 is the best at this moment, IMHO. To change font,just do to menu/tools/browser setting and press the font button. Also,while you're there, you might want to blank out the Use Visual Bookmark option to use the classical bookmark.
One other very nice feature is you can define a few view setting (controls the browsing mode and display mode) that you could tie to each website so that you have complete control over how you want a specific website to be displayed.
This thread contains lots of comparison between Opera 9.33 versus Netfront 3.5.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=368881. I suggest that we move over to that thread for future discussion.
Thanks for the how to and the link to the comparison. NetForge is very good. I'm resolving some of the cognitive dissonance and buyers remorse that comes for me in this phase of new technology purchases.
NetForge is still in development, and it does have a few missing pieces and rough edges. I encounterd a bug cutting and pasting. When I cut, tt puts more text on the clipboard than is selected. Not a big deal, but I do a lot of cutting and pasting. I cut from a French newspaper, and paste into Google Translate.
There's a lot of development going on NetForge is in Beta, Opera is in development, WM7 is on it's way. I wonder how PIE will be in WM7.
xdafile said:
Thanks for the how to and the link to the comparison. NetForge is very good. I'm resolving some of the cognitive dissonance and buyers remorse that comes for me in this phase of new technology purchases.
NetForge is still in development, and it does have a few missing pieces and rough edges. I encounterd a bug cutting and pasting. When I cut, tt puts more text on the clipboard than is selected. Not a big deal, but I do a lot of cutting and pasting. I cut from a French newspaper, and paste into Google Translate.
There's a lot of development going on NetForge is in Beta, Opera is in development, WM7 is on it's way. I wonder how PIE will be in WM7.
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NetForge? You mean NetFront?
Strange, I could cut and paste in Netfront without problem.
Yes, there is lots of things on the way, thanks for the open SDK on Win CE. As for PIE, I'm not optimistic that it will be as good, if PIE 6.1 is any indication to go by. I hope Safari will one day be avaialable on the Win Mobile platform like it is on the window desktop now. On the desktop Safari seems even faster than Opera 9.5.
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On the desktop Safari seems even faster than Opera 9.5.
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I would have to disagree there:
http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/
hey guys
I have a Leo and an iphone, so I put the same pdf file on both, its size is about 17 mb with loads of pics and charts etc.
I was so surprised how viewing the pdf file is on the leo comapred to the iphone which so smooth and fluent. The Leo's viweing was a pain everytime i move the page around it has I have to wait about 3-5 seconds till it shows the text. WHAT A PAIN MAN. While the iphone viweing was so smooth that I was really asking myself does the leo really have a 1 GHZ processor.
I tried to copy the same from my leo storage card to internal memory and still gave the same result. I tried to install acrobat 2 and still the same result.
ANy advice guys to this and how to solve it
work perfect and super smooth on my hd2!
@hykhleif
Can you post the PDF file somewhere so we can check other phones? There may be an issue with yours, or our beloved HD2s may just be crap at handling big PDF files.
Also, did you have many apps running at the time? Obviously memory could be an issue here.
HD2 has LOTS of software bugs and performance issues. I am just hoping HTC release a super duper fix that solves all the issues. And I hope they hurry because I am yet to decide if I will go back to my iPhone or keep the HD2
hey guys
I can give you the link from where I download this book
http://gigapedia.com/items:links?id=399006
if the link does not work go to www.gigapedia.org, go to the pharmaceutical section
the book is called fast track pharmaceutics
its a big pdf file
I had no ther programs running, I closed everyting with task manager before I opened the pdf. The issue I have how poorly it is viewed on the hd2 compared to how smooth it was on the iphone
try foxit reader for viewing pdf's... cant test the pdf you have linked cos im not a member of gigapedia.
I just tried it in Adobe Reader LE 2.5, and it's pretty poor. I'm impressed with how fast it opens, and the fact that pinch-to-zoom works, but it's pretty poor other than that.
You're right about the slow rendering. It's not very good.
at least we don't need third party tools (like the iphone does) to open PDF files. The thing I hated most about the iphone was getting my PDF files onto it in the first place!
Just plug and play with the Leo - bang it on a storage card, it works, connect it to your PC and transfer - bang it works. You have to use third party utils to transfer to the iphone aswell (usually via wifi!) - hence why I was sooo glad to see my iphone replaced by my Leo - rendering speed being the least of my issues...
guys but I am so surprised that the iphone viewing that pdf is so smooth compared to the leo. The rendering is so so so slow and annoying that I can't read it through the leo.
Any suggestions other than using foxit reader????
hykhleif said:
guys but I am so surprised that the iphone viewing that pdf is so smooth compared to the leo. The rendering is so so so slow and annoying that I can't read it through the leo.
Any suggestions other than using foxit reader????
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maybe try Chainfires video driver update for leo. Im not sure if it will make a difference for the built in Adobe reader though.
Worth a try at least!
i tried opening the file with foxit and still slow rendering. What a strange thing it is that a 1 GHZ cpu still has problems in loading and viewing a pdf file
But this seems smooth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d1cb4TFsF8
I'm reading PDF files all the time, really big ones, and have no problems at all. Works perfectly, and easier than on the iPhone because here I have a file explorer and more options.
I think it's just the way the Leo renders the screen, you get the same thing in internet explorer. With an iphone it's as if you are just moving a window over the page and the two are totally disconnected, with the Leo it's like it's only showing you a bit of the page, and if you want to move it has to redraw the bit you want to see.
I wonder sometimes if I should go back to the iphone....but....dunno