I received my new x7501 a couple of days ago. I am disappointed with the web browsing experience using Opera Mobile.
I've been using Opera on my Kaiser and it works differently. On the Kaiser, I use both Opera Mobile 8.65, and Opera Mini 4. If I could copy text and if it were tabbed for multiple pages, I would only use Opera Mini 4.
On the QVGA screen of the Kaiser, Opera Mini does a great job of taking a web page that has multiple columns of text, and rendering the columns in a width that fits the screen width of the Kaiser. The worst thing, in my opinion, is having to scroll horizontally to read text.
On the Kaiser, in Opera Mobile, sometimes horizontal scrolling is necessary. On the Athena, in Opera Mobile, it seems like horizontal scrolling is always necessary. I've tried different settings and different orientations. I've tried RealVGA with different DPI resolutions. The text always seems to be too wide.
When I use the Opera Mobile setting of Display in One Column, it only uses half of the width of the screen. It is as if Opera Mobile is unaware of the larger, wider screen of the Athena, and thinks it only has QVGA to render the column.
On my Athena, using Opera Mobile, the font sizes are wierd, sometimes extremely big while other text is very small. It doesn't do this on the Kaiser. It depends on the web site, and how the page is designed, but on the Kaiser in Mini and Mobile, the fonts and the text columns seem to render better than on the Athena.
I like the large fonts and large icons of the standard display, running without RealVGA or similar utilities, because it enables me to use the touch screen without a stylus. I've tried RealVGA 1.1 and MvRTrueVAG, and there are several rendering defects that I don't like.
I realise that with time and effort, I may be able to play with the settings and find a combination that works for me. I'm hoping that I'll get feedback to this posting that will help me find better settings. I'm wondering if I should just install the Black Dual PK 3.0 ROM and see how well things render in it.
Having a good web browsing experience is my main objective.
Thanks, Bren
You can try new NetFront 3.5 concept or Opera 9.xx on the athena - they are best for now
Thanks for the suggestion. I had found the earlier post about browsers, and found the link to NetFront.
I'm still getting familiar with it. I like that I can toggle between scrolling or selecting text to copy.
I'm trying to figure out how to choose a different font. It wants to display everything in Courier monotype.
Anyway, so far, I'm encouraged that I've found a browser that is improving my browsing experience with my new machine.
xdafile said:
Thanks for the suggestion. I had found the earlier post about browsers, and found the link to NetFront.
I'm still getting familiar with it. I like that I can toggle between scrolling or selecting text to copy.
I'm trying to figure out how to choose a different font. It wants to display everything in Courier monotype.
Anyway, so far, I'm encouraged that I've found a browser that is improving my browsing experience with my new machine.
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Netfront 3.5 is the best at this moment, IMHO. To change font,just do to menu/tools/browser setting and press the font button. Also,while you're there, you might want to blank out the Use Visual Bookmark option to use the classical bookmark.
One other very nice feature is you can define a few view setting (controls the browsing mode and display mode) that you could tie to each website so that you have complete control over how you want a specific website to be displayed.
This thread contains lots of comparison between Opera 9.33 versus Netfront 3.5.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=368881. I suggest that we move over to that thread for future discussion.
Thanks for the how to and the link to the comparison. NetForge is very good. I'm resolving some of the cognitive dissonance and buyers remorse that comes for me in this phase of new technology purchases.
NetForge is still in development, and it does have a few missing pieces and rough edges. I encounterd a bug cutting and pasting. When I cut, tt puts more text on the clipboard than is selected. Not a big deal, but I do a lot of cutting and pasting. I cut from a French newspaper, and paste into Google Translate.
There's a lot of development going on NetForge is in Beta, Opera is in development, WM7 is on it's way. I wonder how PIE will be in WM7.
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Thanks for the how to and the link to the comparison. NetForge is very good. I'm resolving some of the cognitive dissonance and buyers remorse that comes for me in this phase of new technology purchases.
NetForge is still in development, and it does have a few missing pieces and rough edges. I encounterd a bug cutting and pasting. When I cut, tt puts more text on the clipboard than is selected. Not a big deal, but I do a lot of cutting and pasting. I cut from a French newspaper, and paste into Google Translate.
There's a lot of development going on NetForge is in Beta, Opera is in development, WM7 is on it's way. I wonder how PIE will be in WM7.
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NetForge? You mean NetFront?
Strange, I could cut and paste in Netfront without problem.
Yes, there is lots of things on the way, thanks for the open SDK on Win CE. As for PIE, I'm not optimistic that it will be as good, if PIE 6.1 is any indication to go by. I hope Safari will one day be avaialable on the Win Mobile platform like it is on the window desktop now. On the desktop Safari seems even faster than Opera 9.5.
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On the desktop Safari seems even faster than Opera 9.5.
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I would have to disagree there:
http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/
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Is there any other Internet Browsers for ppc 2003 other than
the standerd one ?
have you tryed any others and what did you think?
i quite fancy the idea of a browser in landscape rarther than portrade
display.
http://park15.wakwak.com/~ftx/ftxe/
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http://park15.wakwak.com/~ftx/ftxe/
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SouthwayCorp.MultiIE.v3.0
Don't change your browser, enhance it with MultiIE! such as multiple windows, full screen mode and hardware button mapping
http://www.southwaycorp.net/
NetFront v3.1 for PPC2003 with JV-Lite2 Rel1.00
Microbrowser for PocketPC2003 with JV-Lite2 supports rich functions such as Smart-Fit rendering, Multi-Window
http://www.access.co.jp/english/index.html
PIEPlus 1.2
PIEPlus adds extreme power to Pocket Internet Explorer. It has lots of features like optimizing web page to fit in screen and more.
http://www.reensoft.com/
Netfront is very sophisticated but its file is too big, I use multiie. PIEPlus is good also.
i would like opera or Mozilla for pocketpc
i use standard pie 2003 and nyditot v3.22 and spb pocket plus
that whay i can get landscape, multi windows ect... its alright
is there another browser besides Ftx? one that is stand-alone, cause i think "pie" is way too slow
ftxbrowser seems to be quicker on my xda1 than explorer.
ThunderHawk
You can try ThunderHawk, but it's on a subscription basis.
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You can try ThunderHawk, but it's on a subscription basis.
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I remember these things from my Palm days: A lot of these PDA-based subsciption services work by browsing through their proxy. This proxy will then resize the images and pack all the 'page prerequisites' in one compressed package so that loading tme is minimized. Al of this is really what you want, but quality varies with these places.
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I remember these things from my Palm days: A lot of these PDA-based subsciption services work by browsing through their proxy. This proxy will then resize the images and pack all the 'page prerequisites' in one compressed package so that loading tme is minimized. Al of this is really what you want, but quality varies with these places.
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In terms of quality, ThunderHawk may be the best. It's from BitStream, which actually develops fonts. You view the web pages in landscape mode, and though it might be mighty small compared to PIE, the image and font qualities are simply one of the best. I'm quite happy with it during my subscription, and since it just sends the updated portions of the screen, I also save on my GPRS costs . There are restrictions, of course. Like, it doesn't work well with Jave, and multiple screens. You really have to weigh the pros and cons before making your decision on which browser to purchase :wink: .
i have been looking for something similar but have had no luck... what i am looking for is a particular option...
use the left and right buttons along with the page scroll up/down so i can do page back/forward....
fxtpbrowser is goog small footprint and has the option to map buttons not the left and right... would be nice if u can keep ur thumb near one place and do it all rather than jump up and down to reach 2 diff sets of buttons...
any ideas???
thunderhawk
thunderhawk is not yet compatible with xda2
Download and info here:
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/winmobileppc/
MaX
Downloaded the cab, installed to storage card (the new version removed the old version), ran Opera, it asked me if I wanted to register (17 Euros), I said Okay.
Then I had to tell Opera.com my IMEI in order to get a registration code. I found the IMEI in Settings\Indentity.
When I received the reg code, I ran Opera, selected Tools\register, and then there appeared a box asking for the reg code plus another box showing the "Device ID". The device ID number was completely different from my IMEI, and needless to say, now opera does not accept the registration code. Now I have to write Opera for a new reg code.
So, I would advise all to check the "device id" that opera uses, and provide that number when requesting the registration code, rather than the IMEI found in your PPC's Settings.
Is it just me, or does the large icon for opera have a white background (rather than being a ransparent background as it should be)?
BillB said:
Is it just me, or does the large icon for opera have a white background (rather than being a ransparent background as it should be)?
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also here!!!!
using pocketplus large icon....
MaX
Just my two cents, I've been a big user of the data service, particularly browsing, and found Opera the best browser... almost. A much better alternative is to RDP home, and use whatever you have there. No more need to worry about user agent strings, java or flash, plus, it's (suprisingly) a lot faster. The VJ fullscreenTSC utility is particulary useful for that purpose.
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Just my two cents, I've been a big user of the data service, particularly browsing, and found Opera the best browser... almost. A much better alternative is to RDP home, and use whatever you have there. No more need to worry about user agent strings, java or flash, plus, it's (suprisingly) a lot faster. The VJ fullscreenTSC utility is particulary useful for that purpose.
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Was thinking of trialling Netfront - Can i ask why you think Opera beats Netfront in your eyes?
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Matt
i was using netfront before i switched to opera and i must say that opera is the best by far.
I find Opera completely useless for most sites:
try www.o2.co.uk on both Opera and Netfront 3.3 and see the difference.
or try new.bbc.co.uk on both
THERE IS NO WAY I WILL EVER USE OPERA.
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Because with the 'fit to screen' option, Opera resizes the pixs and everything on the webpages - keeping them in proportion with the text. Netfront doesnt, so you end up with horizontal scroolbars and unreadable pages, while the opera-rendered ones looks just like the ones on a regular desktop computer.
I agree, my experience with opera is bad. It locks up all the time and can't be dissuaded from dumping tons of temp data in main storage memory.
Netfront is much better. The fonts on netfront are a bit wierd and its no way perfect though!
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try www.o2.co.uk on both Opera and Netfront 3.3 and see the difference.
or try new.bbc.co.uk on both
THERE IS NO WAY I WILL EVER USE OPERA."
No problem for the mentioned 2 sites if you'll to set OPERA to 'Fit to screen'
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Exactly - bbc.co.uk is brilliant on opera 'fit to screen'. I find it unusable on netfront.
Sorry, I meant to say the Opera is useless on Universal (mine MDA Pro) compared to NetFront.
I wouldn't use it if they paid me to.
One advantage is netfront 3.3 allows you to log onto more secure sites and if you fiddle with the settings does look and work better for me than Opera but they still haven't relesed the final pay for version and my trial version has ran out
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Sorry, I meant to say the Opera is useless on Universal (mine MDA Pro) compared to NetFront.
I wouldn't use it if they paid me to.
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I use Opera on my Universal since the first Beta and all I can say is that it's the closest you can get to a "real" browsing experience on the PDA. The only "better" sollution would be to use some sort of RDP, as mentioned above.
I don't know what you do with your Universal, but on mine, in TrueVGA, Opera is simply great.
Almost as crappy as beta 2! Still very much work in progress - few bugs havn't been fixed, map hardware buttons??, flash??!. Also i'm not sure about you guys but Netfront (latest TP - D2) seems to render about 90% of websites (using WiFi) much quicker than Opera and is more responsive too. What's up with that?!?
Has anyone read the press release fully?
Here it is. http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2006/05/31/
One bit that jumped out at me was this.
The first operators to ship Windows Mobile devices with Opera Mobile(TM) pre-installed are T-Mobile through their Web'n'Walk offering, and the leading Japanese operator, Willcom.
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Has anyone seen Opera on a released T-mobile phone, or is it more likely the t-mobile have been holding up the release of ROMs in the UK market until they could put Opera out at the same time? If this is true then should we be expecting to see an AKU2 ROM for the MDA PRO with opera embedded sometime soon?
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I have found NetFront to be AWESOME. I have it set so I see full webpages with very little jumbling or problems.
Combine it with FlexMail and you got a basic internet package on the go..
That said, I will give the new Opera a spin.. Why not.. Everything since I installed the latest DOPOD ROM has been working flawlessly and well I cant have that..
Charles
samsul said:
Sorry, I meant to say the Opera is useless on Universal (mine MDA Pro) compared to NetFront.
I wouldn't use it if they paid me to.
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Considering that the opinions are so divergent, yet we all come equipped with (pretty similar) sets of eyeballs, I reckon I'm going to take screenshots of both netfront and opera rendering of common webpages and will post them here.
I am a web designer and think the differences of opinions are all to do with how the site's are coded in terms of fixed widths and such like in the html or xhtml and CSS.
Netfront is definitly better for me as web designer for checking on the fly changes for clients sites but for simply viewing sites informtion then I think the new opera mini works quite well and keeps data trafic low.
This question always crossed my mind, how come nobody has emulated the iPhone web browser? I've tried IE, Opera, and the mobile Firefox but they're all junk compared to the mobile Safari - mainly because of the finger movements that make it super easy to navigate. This is really the only advantage other than GUI "swiftness" the iPhone has.
Please discuss, and if your response is "why dunt u buy an itele lolz", you totally missed the point.
you have to try picsel browser, some ppl say its better than safari,
and about opera, if you tried opera mobile you have the wrong version because opera mini is the one you want to have. It is not very finger friendly but it is very fast and also very good to use with d-pad
cheers
well i only use opera mobile mini is not really my cop of tea
Look at skyfire.com. It's not out yet, but seems promising!
jv
Anyone know if skyfire is a proxy? or is it just a different engine? WebDAV?
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Look at skyfire.com. It's not out yet, but seems promising!
jv
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Yes it does, nice demo.
Thanks, SkyFire looks very nice! I'm using Opera atm because it's the only half-decent browser I've found - however the zoom features suck because it can't render text correctly and you can't browse as swiftly compared to Safari. However SkyFire is very interesting, I'll be looking into this further.
Cheers
Saw in the Hermes thread that the WM6.1 PIE has an option that allows you to view the entire webpage then tap to zoom in on a certain portion of it. Sound familiar?
Wonder whatever happened to M$ deepfish browser? I wasn't one of the lucky ones who got on the beta test list. And I don't see anything new posted on the project website.
Is there any way to fool PIE into telling a site that it is an iPhone??
I know it's possible to get PIE to broadcast that it is a desktop, so why not an iPhone??
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Anyone know if skyfire is a proxy? or is it just a different engine? WebDAV?
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Yes, it is proxy-based . However, it is the best browser Ive seen for a mobile device to-date. They have a video on YouTube & it looks very promising. Definitely better than Safari because it not only supports AJAX, but full FLASH 8 & 9 as well. If you access ESPN.com, you can actually see the video's of the highlights to the right of the page just like you would on a regular desktop.
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Yes, it is proxy-based . However, it is the best browser Ive seen for a mobile device to-date. They have a video on YouTube & it looks very promising. Definitely better than Safari because it not only supports AJAX, but full FLASH 8 & 9 as well. If you access ESPN.com, you can actually see the video's of the highlights to the right of the page just like you would on a regular desktop. Full sound & everything! Ive just been waiting for them to send my invitation since I signed up 2wks ago.
Well... Opera Mobile 9.5 will be released in a week or so. It's much better than Safari
Pisel would be just as good as safari - correction, better - if it supported flash. My only two gripes with picsel is the inability to view flash, and not being able to set it as my default browser. Its fast, the nearly-limitless zooming beats the pants off of anything available now or in near future. If I'm not planning to edit them, i open my text files with it too. :thumbsup:
Before we get Opera 9.5, the top two browsers in terms of speed are Netfront 3.5 followed by Opera Mini 4.
Netfront is way better than Picsel browser. Picsel is slooooww. It also have memory full problem, on top of other bugs.
I hve done some bencemark between all these browser in the Athena forum, if you're interested.
i been playing around with netfront... and im very impressed... its prob the fastest browser per load time... and its browsing is very nice allowing finger movements... also double tap on screen to zoom out of the page
which in turn opens up a window and allows u to use a nav box to scroll along the bigger portions of the page... i highly recommend for people to try it out ....
Edit: Netfront also has full ajax2.0 support
Opera Mobile is a great browser, but I don't think it does so well on the X1.
In landscape mode, the software keyboard should be completely disabled. This would be much less annoying and would also allow interaction with embedded Flash / Flash websites.
Opera also often makes the L and R buttons activate the start menu, rather than their assignments.
EDIT: And if you're typing into Opera's own search box with the hardware keyboard, it doesn't recognise that you are typing and times out - taking the search dialogue away.
Does anyone know if these things can be fixed? I wouldn't mind disabling the keyboard in landscape mode at the OS level (to affect everything), but it's too useful in portrait to disable altogether.
Thanks
Yes i agree about the software keyboard. That is the most annoying thing on the planet it comes up even when ur not in a text input area. I would love to see a tweak to stop this.
"Disabling" the on screen keyboard...
Try this SIP.
It is an onscreenkeyboard but in fact it displays NO keyboard.
You can change it back to a "normal" keyboard via the normal SIP menü in the bottom middle of the screen.
Better than nothing, I guess..
Greets !
PS: I found this cab in an Opera 9.5 thread around here.
there is a registry tweak somewhere on here, ill try search for it now
Has anyone noticed that the opera that comes on the xperia only lets you go to mobile sites no matter what the setting in the settings tab indicates?
that not opera but the websites you are visiting.
I don't think so because these webpages have full verisons and its determined by the browser u are using. For instance if i switch to the build from the touch hd i can go to the same webpages and view them as full pages but the one on the xperia will automatically go to the mobile versions. I started up a new thread to discuss this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443583
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I don't think so because these webpages have full verisons and its determined by the browser u are using. For instance if i switch to the build from the touch hd i can go to the same webpages and view them as full pages but the one on the xperia will automatically go to the mobile versions. I started up a new thread to discuss this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443583
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The webpage you visit is informed of the user agent. Most websites use useragent checks to determine which version to show you. I should know I design websites.
Most likely (but unconfirmed without a test) is that the Xperia build has "Sony Ericsson" in it useragent.
I had the same problem, i was trying to view the full desktop version of youtube.com but it kept redeirecting me to the mobile version, even when i clicked the link at the bottom of the mobile site that said 'View desktop version'. I tried everything to stop it from happening i.e changing user agent settings in registry and opera, but it kept on occuring.
For a reason not connected with my problem I got a new Xperia X1 and now I dont have that problem anymore!
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The webpage you visit is informed of the user agent. Most websites use useragent checks to determine which version to show you. I should know I design websites.
Most likely (but unconfirmed without a test) is that the Xperia build has "Sony Ericsson" in it useragent.
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So most likely it has to do with an opera setting. Can anyone post there opera.ini file. I tried to change the user agent based on opera's definitions.
http://www.opera.com/support/usingopera/operaini/
I still can't seem to fix this issue
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that not opera but the websites you are visiting.
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I'm starting to think you were right. When i go to like facebook it goes into full desktop version but utube and myspace go into mobile view. I wish i knew more sites with a mobile view lol..
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I'm starting to think you were right. When i go to like facebook it goes into full desktop version but utube and myspace go into mobile view. I wish i knew more sites with a mobile view lol..
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He is right. Go to a site like IPChicken.com and look at the Browser string under the 'Advanced' section and you'll see what Opera is reporting to each site you visit. Opera has a way to 'spoof' the User Agent to be like Firefox or IE 6 for example. Type in: about:config in the address bar, and scroll all the way down to User Agent and try 2 and 3 (Firefox & IE, respectively).
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He is right. Go to a site like IPChicken.com and look at the Browser string under the 'Advanced' section and you'll see what Opera is reporting to each site you visit. Opera has a way to 'spoof' the User Agent to be like Firefox or IE 6 for example. Type in: about:config in the address bar, and scroll all the way down to User Agent and try 2 and 3 (Firefox & IE, respectively).
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Thank You!!!! That fixed my problem. I'm going to post in the thread i made for this problem. If you don't mind that is
zooming by dpad is a good thing.
for scrolling, the finger cam is perfect.
and scrolling by g-sensor would be a good thing
(i hope the x1 will have one, like ohter htc devs)
DOMin8or said:
zooming by dpad is a good thing.
for scrolling, the finger cam is perfect.
and scrolling by g-sensor would be a good thing
(i hope the x1 will have one, like ohter htc devs)
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Zooming with the dpad is what I miss most from my touch pro. It's scroll wheel works very well for dynamic zoom but it would be nice to try something similar with the xperia optical stick.
one thing that i would like to change in opera is that new tabs open up in the background, is there a way to do this?
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He is right. Go to a site like IPChicken.com and look at the Browser string under the 'Advanced' section and you'll see what Opera is reporting to each site you visit. Opera has a way to 'spoof' the User Agent to be like Firefox or IE 6 for example. Type in: about:config in the address bar, and scroll all the way down to User Agent and try 2 and 3 (Firefox & IE, respectively).
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i've updated the user agent in opera but i'm still being directed to mobile versions of sites. anyone else having this problem ? any ideas ?
thanks in advance ...
are you surfing over Wifi or your mobile networks connect. Website use a series of tricks to workout which version of their site they think is best for your device.
Almost all of these sites however should provide a link which allows you to visit the full site, which you may need to bookmark to aviod repeating the steps each time.
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are you surfing over Wifi or your mobile networks connect. Website use a series of tricks to workout which version of their site they think is best for your device.
Almost all of these sites however should provide a link which allows you to visit the full site, which you may need to bookmark to aviod repeating the steps each time.
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i'm surfing over my provider's network. this wasn't an issue when i was using the non-bundled version of opera. most of the websites i have gone to either don't do browser sniffing or have used the user agent rather which has meant that i've been browsing the full sites.
since switching to the bundled version of opera i'm not constantly getting the mobile versions ...
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Zooming with the dpad is what I miss most from my touch pro. It's scroll wheel works very well for dynamic zoom but it would be nice to try something similar with the xperia optical stick.
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Well you know the volume buttons do zoom in and out, right?
It's not as convenient as on the Diamond/Touch Pro, but does the trick.
New version 0.8.5 of skyfire is released now.. you don't need any registration to download this.. Just go to get.skyfire.com from your PC or from your device. It's very cool browser with support to youtube and other flash objects.. I am attaching a downloaded copy here for quick download.. Enjoy
Someone has already posted it on this forum......
Sorry! tried searching but couldn't locate initially, now got it.. How can I get this post deleted..
Thx... It is better then Opera Mobile?
McLin said:
Thx... It is better then Opera Mobile?
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tons better i must say! Watch youtube or any flash content...or anything at all right off the website!
McLin said:
Thx... It is better then Opera Mobile?
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It doesn't seem to wrap text correctly for me, so it's harder to read things. But if you need quick, desktop-quality browsing, it is better than Opera Mobile.
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It doesn't seem to wrap text correctly for me, so it's harder to read things. But if you need quick, desktop-quality browsing, it is better than Opera Mobile.
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by the full desktop quality browsing you are correct, but i disagree with the quick browsing. Sure it displays the page faster than opera but the navigation is terrible. Just like using a gps application (googlemaps for example) you dont really have entire the page loaded, just the part you are seeing on your screen, it constantly renders as you scroll and pan making it terrible to quickly pan and scroll through websites expecially forums where you read, pan, read, pan and so on. the constant rendering and reloading makes the page blurry and displays those god awful checkers by not being able to keep up thust slowing you down way more than the slightly slower page loading of opera. At least when opera is done with the page you can read everything in it quickly and easily
Im not bashing skyfire cuz i love it also but that is the main gripe i have with it, that and the unreliable downloads that fail on me 99% of the time
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Just like using a gps application (googlemaps for example) you dont really have entire the page loaded, just the part you are seeing on your screen, it constantly renders as you scroll and pan making it terrible to quickly pan and scroll through websites expecially forums where you read, pan, read, pan and so on. the constant rendering and reloading makes the page blurry and displays those god awful checkers by not being able to keep up thust slowing you down way more than the slightly slower page loading of opera.
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You are true.. It won't load the full webpage and it's realy slow when you scroll and pan.. But only advantage we have is it plays youtube videos and flash. Which is lacking in opera mobile.. But in this version there is no audio.. Some problem.. Looking for a solution..
Downloaded. Will find install it in a little bit.
Does it work Wvga?
mike21pr said:
by the full desktop quality browsing you are correct, but i disagree with the quick browsing. Sure it displays the page faster than opera but the navigation is terrible. Just like using a gps application (googlemaps for example) you dont really have entire the page loaded, just the part you are seeing on your screen, it constantly renders as you scroll and pan making it terrible to quickly pan and scroll through websites expecially forums where you read, pan, read, pan and so on. the constant rendering and reloading makes the page blurry and displays those god awful checkers by not being able to keep up thust slowing you down way more than the slightly slower page loading of opera. At least when opera is done with the page you can read everything in it quickly and easily
Im not bashing skyfire cuz i love it also but that is the main gripe i have with it, that and the unreliable downloads that fail on me 99% of the time
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this is the main problem I have with it and netfront also. the truth is when it comes to browsing even IE mobile 6 has the upper hand, it might be slower at rendering the page but trust me I have found it's CSS engine better than even opera. I can give the links if anyone wants to check. however, opera has the upper hand when it comes to browsing the page. and opera does support flash videos on certain builds.
this is how I break it down in no order:
aesthetics: opera9
page load speed: skyfire
scroll/pan: opera9
rendering engine quality: IE mobile 6
rendering engine speed: opera9/skyfire
download file reliability: IE mobile 6
flash: skyfire
ease of use: opera9
javascript: IE mobile 6/opera9
therefore opera is the best pick for default browser and everyday use. IE mobile 6 comes in second for quality and reliability. skyfire only has flash and page load speed going for it (1st of which isn't a need, thus they only have speed), netfront couldn't even make it on there.
Ya skyfires really nice for streaming videos but thats about it.
My favorite day to day browser is hands down Opera Mini 4.2. For just basic browsing and skimming forums,etc,etc... its just plain awesome and by far the fastest one iv used