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Since some companies charge insane amounts for GRPS and not minutes, is it possible to work around this by using dialup PPP over the cellular (not GRPS) modem in the connections area?
YES, BUT I THINK DEPENDING ON WHICH SERVICE U USE; THEY WILL STILL CHARGE U FOR THE AMOUNTS OF DATA TRAVELING BAK N FORTH
The various carriers in Australia (except Virgin, which don't support any data at all yet) all charge data calls over GSM as standard peak/off peak calls, just like voice.
So to answer your question, here in Oz I'll often switch back to Analogue CSD line type and dial into my office via our RAS server (ie. use the GSM line) if I plan to browse / download large content, because the peak call works out cheaper than would downloading the data via GPRS (albeit significantly slower!).
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Thanks for the responses
Here's what I've decided to do (USA). I am keeping my AT&T GSM plan for use with voice only. Don't let them scam you into buying a data plan. T-Mobile offers an unlimited internet plan at about 50% of what AT&T and Cingular offer. Once mobileplace lets me know if they have planned for a better dual sim solution than the ghost or cutting, I will switch between sims based on my needs at the time.
CSD Connection Is Beautiful!
JUICEe said:
YES, BUT I THINK DEPENDING ON WHICH SERVICE U USE; THEY WILL STILL CHARGE U FOR THE AMOUNTS OF DATA TRAVELING BAK N FORTH
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I presume otherwise, i.e. most service providers charge air time as if it were a voice call. This is the case with T-Mobile US at least. Nights and weekends are free data time - nice! 9kbps is not too bad to surf the net without graphics.
I posted detailed set-up in thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4723
Is there a reliable traffic monitor that lets me monitor the amount of recieved and sent data via UMTS (3G) and GPRS ?
It would be cool if it also could monitor the traffic that was done via WLAN - BUT, since WLAN is free in most cases it is really important that the traffic monitor is able to make a distinction whether the traffic happend through WLAN or UMTS/GPRS. I have a contract that allowes me to do 30 MB per month but T-Mobile is not capable of telling me how much of that I have already used up. So whenever I am online with GPRS or UMTS (and not online via activesnych or WLAN) I want that monitor to count. If there is no such app, do you think it is possibel to write such an app using .NET CF 2.0 ?
EDIT: I just realized that there is another problem. In case the traffic was caused by an SMS the monitor must not count that. Since GPRS data caused by SMS is not part of those 30 MB I have per month.
SPB GPRS works fine for me. you select a connection, and in my case UMTS and GPRS are the same connection, and there fore would work for. However, my MMS, SMS and WIFI are seperate and thus not included in these connections.
what do you mean MMS, and SMS are seperate? SMS/MMS are send and recieved via GPRS/UMTS too ...
No, they are not. They use a different transport.
I am sorry to disappoint you there , but according to the Multimedia Messaging Service specification MMS relies on WAP as the protocol. And we all know that wap can use GPRS, HSCSD, EDGE or UMTS for transportation (and your as well as my phone does not support HSCSD or EDGE).
how do you then explain that you can send SMS/MMS without having a GPRS APN configured?
It uses GPRS/3G but with a different connection.
Just like both the internet and your LAN use TCPIP.
To access the internet your universal will connect to 'Orange UMTS' / 'The Internet' or whatever, and to send an MMS, it will connect to 'Orange MMS' or whatever, two different gateways.
Suppose it is almost like different workgroups
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I am sorry to disappoint you there , but according to the Multimedia Messaging Service specification MMS relies on WAP as the protocol. And we all know that wap can use GPRS, HSCSD, EDGE or UMTS for transportation (and your as well as my phone does not support HSCSD or EDGE).
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SMS uses simple GSM network architecture to send receive. It MAY use GPRS if the network allows it.
MMS uses by default GPRS connection as it needs the extra bandwidth and speed. It MAY use 3G depending on the network.
GPRS/HSCSD/EDGE/UMTS are different types of network services (methods of connectivity), different in architecture, speed and orientation.
Tha SPB GPRS software monitors ONE connection at a time, in this case the GPRS or 3G. So when you surf in the web using this connection everything is being monitored. If you send an SMS via simple GSM, it is not monitored since it doesn't use packet oriented architecture (GPRS) but simple GSM. If your network supports SMS Send via GPRS then yes, the amount of data being received/sent will be monitored by the program.
Yes, That's what I feared. In most cases (T-Mobile, EPlus, Vodaphone for example do) carrieres support sms via GPRS. So I can only hope T-Mobile will allow me to query how much traffic I have caused. I called T-Mobile germany today and they have to ld me that since this week it is possible to query that via the support hotline and withine Q1 of next year it will be possible to query it electronically. That it is good news, since a local monitor will rather imprecise as it seems in my case since I send a lot of sms and mms, wich are not included in my monthly 30MB quota.
bitbonk said:
Yes, That's what I feared. In most cases (T-Mobile, EPlus, Vodaphone for example do) carrieres support sms via GPRS. So I can only hope T-Mobile will allow me to query how much traffic I have caused. I called T-Mobile germany today and they have to ld me that since this week it is possible to query that via the support hotline and withine Q1 of next year it will be possible to query it electronically. That it is good news, since a local monitor will rather imprecise as it seems in my case since I send a lot of sms and mms, wich are not included in my monthly 30MB quota.
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Please stop this nonsense.... The company I work for develops SMS service centers for a living. SMS is _not_ transported over GPRS.... It is an entirely different signalling channel that is used for this.
Regarding MMS traffic over GPRS: yes, it indeed is sent via GPRS, but is handled via a different APN without impacting your 30MB free traffic limit. The MMS APN traffic is not decremented from your 30Mb limit...
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bitbonk said:
Yes, That's what I feared. In most cases (T-Mobile, EPlus, Vodaphone for example do) carrieres support sms via GPRS. So I can only hope T-Mobile will allow me to query how much traffic I have caused. I called T-Mobile germany today and they have to ld me that since this week it is possible to query that via the support hotline and withine Q1 of next year it will be possible to query it electronically. That it is good news, since a local monitor will rather imprecise as it seems in my case since I send a lot of sms and mms, wich are not included in my monthly 30MB quota.
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Please stop this nonsense.... The company I work for develops SMS service centers for a living. SMS is _not_ transported over GPRS.... It is an entirely different signalling channel that is used for this.
Regarding MMS traffic over GPRS: yes, it indeed is sent via GPRS, but is handled via a different APN without impacting your 30MB free traffic limit. The MMS APN traffic is not decremented from your 30Mb limit...
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stamppot you're correct about the MMS APN. My Qtek 9000 has two different accounts. One for Mobile Internet (GPRS) and another one for MMS. So yes you're right. When you send MMS, the MMS account (which uses GPRS network) is activated and not the Mopbile Internet account. After all, here in Greeece at least, the MMS is being charged by the number of messages... not the amount of data being sent.
As for the SMS via GPRS you're not right, there are several countries (US, and in Europe) that do sent SMS via GPRS as a way to attract more clients. I have had several handsets (by Siemens especially) that had that such an option in their SMS settings. Of course we do not have something like this in Greece but it is still a fact. Trust me.
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bitbonk said:
Yes, That's what I feared. In most cases (T-Mobile, EPlus, Vodaphone for example do) carrieres support sms via GPRS. So I can only hope T-Mobile will allow me to query how much traffic I have caused. I called T-Mobile germany today and they have to ld me that since this week it is possible to query that via the support hotline and withine Q1 of next year it will be possible to query it electronically. That it is good news, since a local monitor will rather imprecise as it seems in my case since I send a lot of sms and mms, wich are not included in my monthly 30MB quota.
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Please stop this nonsense.... The company I work for develops SMS service centers for a living. SMS is _not_ transported over GPRS.... It is an entirely different signalling channel that is used for this.
Regarding MMS traffic over GPRS: yes, it indeed is sent via GPRS, but is handled via a different APN without impacting your 30MB free traffic limit. The MMS APN traffic is not decremented from your 30Mb limit...
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You misunderstood me there. Of course I am well aware of the fact that MMS is handled via a different APN (AND that it does not impact my monthly 30MB) but that does not prevent my LOCALLY installed tarffic counter to count MMS traffic as well (wich leads to incorrectness because T-Mobile will not count those MMS). THAT'S WHY I said I can only hope that T-Mobile lets me query how much of my quota I have used DIRECTLY. It might have just appeared as nonsense to you, because you did not actually READ what I said
Regarding SMS and GPRS, while it is true that SMS are usually not sent via GPRS it is infact possible to send SMS via GPRS most carriers just don't support that. But some do (such as LATELEKOM).
spb gprs will work, download the trial and test it. you tell the software which connection to monitor, i have two connects MMS and GPRS/3g/UMTS and so get the software to monitor this one connection only and not mms, so mms is not included in its monitoring, so it will work for you.
you can also use it to select standard worldwide based plans, or program your own custom plan.
try it and see, it isnt expensive...
Bought an HTC SIM-Free Touch HD.
Transferred Pre-pay Contract Web'n'Walk SIM from T-Mobile MDA Vario III (HTC TyTN II/Kaiser), which has been working very well for over a year, worldwide. In the HD the Internet data connection is very unreliable. It hardly ever connects first time; and loses connection frequently e.g. after 5 or so web pages. Sometimes the "Number Dialled, cannot connect" bubble appears; sometimes just obscure messages like "cannot connect to web page". Resetting or restarting the radio does not help as normally the first connection fails. Persistence usually works i.e. after about 8 re-tries a page will be loaded or whatever other data request is being made. I have scoured the internet, XDA and other support forums and tried various connection setups. I hoped the April ROM update would fix it, but it made no improvement. The T-Mobile SIM also works in my Sony Vaio which has an Option internal 3G modem.
I tried an O2 phone contract SIM: worked perfectly, but cost me a fortune in data charges just to prove to myself it worked in various places, including in cars and trains. I bought a Vodafone PAYG USB Stick and have used the SIM from that faultlessly for £10 out of the first £15 for 1Gig of data (of course there is no phone service). I tried a data SIM from a T-Mobile USB 3G Stick, and that showed the same symptoms as my T-Mobile Phone Contract SIM. So it seems to be T-Mobile connections, not the particular SIM.
I want to use my T-Mobile Phone SIM as I can use it overseas, I know the phone number, and I am on contract so I am paying for it, including unlimited internet, anyway. However there seems to be a mismatch between the Touch HD and the T-Mobile service. The T-Mobile SIM works fine in other devices (originally an MDA Pro, HTC Universal); and other carriers work fine with the HD. Is there a registry tweak or some other modification I can make to make this work? Thanks
hi i used these settings
for web'n'walk users, use the following credentials
Connects To: The Internet
Access Point: general.t-mobile.uk
username: t-mobile
Password: one2one
DNS: as per above
Note: The DNS settings above are for OpenDNS servers, which have shown to improve the performance of web browsing on the T-Mobile network.
Adding the following Header to HTTP Requests disables the Image Recompression and Improves Page Loading Time. However only Desktop Browsers and PIEPlus have a option to add additional headers.
Cache-Control: no-transform
hope it helps
Thanks. I'll give it a try.
'fraid that did not help, but:
1) received SMS from T-Mobile yesterday saying that they would be improving the network over the next few days to improve connections, so maybe I've been suffering faults they are now fixing, and
2) learnt that Orange and T-Mobile use 1800MHz whilst O2 and Vodafone use 900MHz so perhaps the 1800MHz reception of the HD is marginal.
Will keep an eye on T-Mobile but contract runs out soon so have signed up with O2 Simplicity (SIM_only) plus unlimited Web for £17.38 per month on month only commitment contract - works fine.
Thanks for the help.
I live in the UK (London) and am G1 user (root/JF ADP1.5). I will be visiting India in the near future and would like to be online via the G1. From browsing the web it seems this is possible, other users have managed to do this.
I just wanted to get a clear picture of what is involved in getting the G1 data connection enabled in India?
Here’s what I expect, please correct me if I am wrong and please do add anything that you may think would be of interest in knowing…?
Purchase SIM card. Either Airtel or Vodaphone preferably the one is cheapest and/or provides faster data connection (ie 3g or not).
Phone is unlocked to accept any sim card so no problems there.
Enter some settings in the phone to enable data connection. It’s here where I’m unsure what to do or if the network provider will be able to provide the relevant details I would require?
Once I set this up will the G1 run as normal or will there be any limitations? Will google maps pick up my current location and how accurate will it be in India? Will I receive push Email?
Any other advice/comments about using the G1 on an Indian sim would be greatly appreciated.
Jignesh
As long as you have your data set up, EDGE/GPRS, maps will work just fine, so will your push email. GPS will work too, its pretty accurate, you'll just find tile download times excruciating especially if you are used to 3G. When in India i use Vodafone btw.
Everything work as expected, the interner comnection is EDGE based so the speed is slow, you can get the setting from the provider or else from the internet, generally provider settings are sent to phone through OTA and received as system setting message on other Nokia phone this feature is yet to be implmented on Android. The Airtel setting is Apn airtelgprs.com , once you create a new Apn settingyou just have to enter this apn and other default network and area code will bepicked from simcard
Nothing change the technology and network are same and if you are going to be in Delhi use MTNL as provider and use there 3G network to access Internet
yeah i used it for about 2 months there, no problems whatsoever..(except that I managed to get the screen cracked while playing cricket!) i am not sure about market/OTA working there...but you can use the gprs connection to use all the online frills that G1 has..
I live in Maharashtra, India & have Android Developer Phone 1
Here There Is no 3G only GPRS/EDGE
If U are going to visit Maharashtra or say Mumbai city,
I would prefer u to use Airtel Sim Bcoz Vodaphone Sim Costs 10paise/10kb means nearly 10 Rupees for 1 MB & in $, $1 for 5MB
While Airtel Allows 2 Data plans:
1. Daily Unlimited Plan:
Use Unlimited Data For Rs 20 - 25 per day
I would prefer U this Plan As My G1 at least Uses 30 MB of Data per Day According to Nercounter app
Ask the Airtel Gallery/ Customer Care For Activation...
2. Mobile Office Plan (30 paise / 50 kb):
This Plan charges according to your data Usage, 30 p / 50 kb means Rs. 6-7 per Mb
If U choose This activation process would not be given by customer care, so here is the process:
Dial *567#
Reply "1" Mobile Office Activation
Again Enter "1" Activate Mobile Office
It will be activated within 1 hour
now The Apn Setting:
Apn Name : put any thing, I put Airtel
Apn : airtelgprs.com
Then Save It, U have Activated GPRS/EDGE
Everything works fine, except:
1. OTA.
and 2. Paid Market Apps (at least on my phone! G1 with Jf1.5)
that too can be done !!!
1. OTA is enabled For Both ADP1 & G1 that too in all the Countries...
2. Paid Applications: Its Sim Dependent, So is Not enabled on ADP1,
sol : If u Have an Proper US Billing Address U can get past through it even on ADP1... Just Get MarketEnabler App on Jf 1.5
I can view Paid Apps but cant buy coz i lack US Billing Address...
Using G1 in India in New Delhi
Hi Team,
I got the Android from US, it is unlocked for all networks.
Now, in India I am trying to use it on Vodafone network in Delhi, but the phone does not starts, as after entering the username and password for Gmail, the phone is not able to connect to the Google Servers and so I am not able to start and use my phone here.
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Hi Team,
I got the Android from US, it is unlocked for all networks.
Now, in India I am trying to use it on Vodafone network in Delhi, but the phone does not starts, as after entering the username and password for Gmail, the phone is not able to connect to the Google Servers and so I am not able to start and use my phone here.
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It seems that you have reset your phone, and thats why you got the activation screen.
and now with the Vodafone SIM, you have to setup your phone with their APN. On the activation screen, you have the option to manually set your APN settings by pressing the Menu button.
manikuta said:
Hi Team,
I got the Android from US, it is unlocked for all networks.
Now, in India I am trying to use it on Vodafone network in Delhi, but the phone does not starts, as after entering the username and password for Gmail, the phone is not able to connect to the Google Servers and so I am not able to start and use my phone here.
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guys even im having the same problem . im stuck at login screen the phone fails to contact google servers . cud som1 plz gimme the exact apn settings plz .
Even i had the same problem ...was stuck at login screen
I m with vodafone so activated its vodafone mobile connect service.
vodfone says its gprs/edge service cannot access https websites..
as google login requires https protocol all those who are with gprs/edge wont be able to go ahead.
you need to call your service provider and tell them " i need data plan that allows me to access all www sites"
i have tried almost on all service providers and this is the language they understand..
it takes few hrs for activation for vodafone mobile connect.
after activtion enter APN: www
leave all fields blank.
BANG! you are now in if you don need the service deactivate it!
LOGIN FIXED!!!!
Greetings All,
After some disagreement with Bell, I've tried to find some truth regarding smart phone plans and the OMNIA II. The Bell representatives stated the Omnia II will only work with a smartphone plans (which conveniently start at $50 Ouch!)
Supposedly if I outright buy the phone (full price) I won't be forced into a contract. Assuming I'm contract free... can I subscribe to a cheaper monthly voice plan only?
The goal is to use the phone as a WM 6.5 PDA and surf only when in the vicinity of WIFI (home and office etc). For the few phone calls I make (which avg 4-5 a month - yes I hate talking on a cell phone), a simple voice plan with basic text messaging should suffice?
The issues surrounding this are:
A. Has this been done successfully before - is anyone doing it now???
B. When a WIFI hotspot isn't available, will the browser fail or will it secretly connect to the cellular network and ding me with data charges?
C. Having no prior experience with a GPS enabled cell phone - this "A-GPS" needs the data package to work? Or can I use it with a voice plan only?
D. I've heard stories of smartphones constantly talking to the cellular network, is this an issue? or is there a way to disable the data connections forcing it to use WIFI only?
E. Would any of this warrent unlocking the phone? Bell stated it comes locked with a Bell SIM card (its on their HSPA+ network).
Again, the goal is to use it as a suped' up PDA, surf only on WIFI and subscribe to a bare bones phone package for that occasional call I might make.
Suggestions? Comments? Advice?
KevinStraight said:
Greetings All,
After some disagreement with Bell, I've tried to find some truth regarding smart phone plans and the OMNIA II. The Bell representatives stated the Omnia II will only work with a smartphone plans (which conveniently start at $50 Ouch!)
Supposedly if I outright buy the phone (full price) I won't be forced into a contract. Assuming I'm contract free... can I subscribe to a cheaper monthly voice plan only?
The goal is to use the phone as a WM 6.5 PDA and surf only when in the vicinity of WIFI (home and office etc). For the few phone calls I make (which avg 4-5 a month - yes I hate talking on a cell phone), a simple voice plan with basic text messaging should suffice?
The issues surrounding this are:
A. Has this been done successfully before - is anyone doing it now???
B. When a WIFI hotspot isn't available, will the browser fail or will it secretly connect to the cellular network and ding me with data charges?
C. Having no prior experience with a GPS enabled cell phone - this "A-GPS" needs the data package to work? Or can I use it with a voice plan only?
D. I've heard stories of smartphones constantly talking to the cellular network, is this an issue? or is there a way to disable the data connections forcing it to use WIFI only?
E. Would any of this warrent unlocking the phone? Bell stated it comes locked with a Bell SIM card (its on their HSPA+ network).
Again, the goal is to use it as a suped' up PDA, surf only on WIFI and subscribe to a bare bones phone package for that occasional call I might make.
Suggestions? Comments? Advice?
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Re: Disabling GPRS - try NoData from Modaco - its a freeware, just google for it and disable all your data plans.
O2 will work with just voice plan
A. Omnia 2 will work with just a voice plan, I used mine in the Cook Islands last week with just a voice plan SIM.
B.The problem is that Bell offers data with the phone setting so you would have to make sure you disable the data, not just with Opera or the GPS, or you will incur data charges and they will roll up quickly. Most likely they offer the bundle (I have it and fine it a very reasonable plan for my phone use) because people regularly use data by mistake.
C. GPS Worked just fine. I couldn't use google maps but no problem, there's only one real road
D. As long as you are not using push email or any application that accesses the internet automatically you should not incur charges.
E.You don't have to unlock the phone unless you want to go with a different provider than Bell.
Are you set on having an Omnia 2? Perhaps a better option would be to purchase an unlocked Omnia 2 and a pay as you go SIM from a provider that does not have data.
Good luck.
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That rep was full of ****. Buy the phone outright, and call Bell and ask them to disable the data for you so you never have to second guess or accidentally use data on your phone. Be careful, you must disable data on every sim card you decide to use.
KevinStraight said:
Greetings All,
After some disagreement with Bell, I've tried to find some truth regarding smart phone plans and the OMNIA II. The Bell representatives stated the Omnia II will only work with a smartphone plans (which conveniently start at $50 Ouch!)
Supposedly if I outright buy the phone (full price) I won't be forced into a contract. Assuming I'm contract free... can I subscribe to a cheaper monthly voice plan only?
The goal is to use the phone as a WM 6.5 PDA and surf only when in the vicinity of WIFI (home and office etc). For the few phone calls I make (which avg 4-5 a month - yes I hate talking on a cell phone), a simple voice plan with basic text messaging should suffice?
The issues surrounding this are:
A. Has this been done successfully before - is anyone doing it now???
B. When a WIFI hotspot isn't available, will the browser fail or will it secretly connect to the cellular network and ding me with data charges?
C. Having no prior experience with a GPS enabled cell phone - this "A-GPS" needs the data package to work? Or can I use it with a voice plan only?
D. I've heard stories of smartphones constantly talking to the cellular network, is this an issue? or is there a way to disable the data connections forcing it to use WIFI only?
E. Would any of this warrent unlocking the phone? Bell stated it comes locked with a Bell SIM card (its on their HSPA+ network).
Again, the goal is to use it as a suped' up PDA, surf only on WIFI and subscribe to a bare bones phone package for that occasional call I might make.
Suggestions? Comments? Advice?
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I just signed a three year contract with Bell, a few weeks ago i was surfing on their site and like you said , impossible to get a Omnia 2 without a data plan, last week i went back on, and I dont know if its a bug, but you can order one with a regular voice plan, i took the 30$ plan ( cheapest) got the phone by mail , free.
If i click on my connections on top you can disable all data, and only use wifi. If it does want to use data it warns you before activating it.
Hope this helps