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HTC Vs Honesty and respect

i remember in December when i asked their customer service when will they release the next patch, and they told me sometimes in January, again in January i heard it has been postponed to mid january, then Begining of February, This time their CEO announced it will be released 23 Feb.?????? and of course we have passed it
i am just wondering are they aware of what they are doing???? do they know they are losing their creditably in delivering honest announcements.
K-Jam isn't very bad device but it has some issues like i have never seen before and of course i am using another phone with my K-Jam, since the K-Jam is temperory mentaly ill, and can't be trusted, i just regret paying this much for this overpriced thing while there are atleast three other competitors delivers much better devices in reasonable prices.
and since this will be my last device from HTC i hope i can find a reason to keep it alittle longer before i trade it in.

Dont you mean K-Jam people rather then HTC?
I dont think HTC support there phones they just build them.
The suppliers kajam / imate e.t.c have to test of fine tune there own roms.

sami3000 said:
i remember in December when i asked their customer service when will they release the next patch, and they told me sometimes in January, again in January i heard it has been postponed to mid january, then Begining of February, This time their CEO announced it will be released 23 Feb.?????? and of course we have passed it
i am just wondering are they aware of what they are doing???? do they know they are losing their creditably in delivering honest announcements.
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Having worked for a large s/w firm for quite a time I would say that in their favour there's a lot of testing a validation to be done before they can release a ROM update (as the risk is thousands of users with no working phones) - and then once they are happy theyhave to release the ROM to qtek/i-mate etc to tweak for individual devices... and that can add to the delay while they test their tweaks have not broken it further ... as long as they (both HTC and the individual manufacturers) keep lines of communication open to keep our expectations under control I guess we can't complain too much...
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K-Jam isn't very bad device but it has some issues like i have never seen before...
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what sort of problems are you having? Have you posted them on ClubImate forums (and here etc) to help raise awareness to see if they're fixable?

K-Jam isn't very bad device but it has some issues like i have never seen before and of course i am using another phone with my K-Jam, since the K-Jam is temperory mentaly ill, and can't be trusted, i just regret paying this much for this overpriced thing while there are atleast three other competitors delivers much better devices in reasonable prices.
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i'm using the kjam for about 6 months now & i can honestly say that there's a shortage of features rather than having issues/problems with it, it's true we still need some enhancements on the device, but in general i have everything i need from it.
i'm a big fan of sonyericsson myself, & before my kjam i had the sonyericsson mobiles for the past 6 years ad i was more than happy with it, but when the WM5 was released i found most of the problems with the previous HTC devices was gone, nobody can deny that. and the HTC is offering now a much better worth of money than before, you can't say otherwise, but maybe you have some problems with your device? try to find the solution for it, i had some defeculties myself when i fist had the device, but all was solved, and i got solutions mostly in this forum.
i received an email from imate support about releasing the new rom updates with the AKU2 & A2DP features on it, this is thier reply:
Dear Customer,
Thank you for your email. Regarding your query, please note that ROM upgrade for K-JAM, which will also include Messaging and Security Feature Pack (push support) for Windows Mobile 5.0 devices, is expected to make available in upcoming weeks. Your patience is highly appreciated.
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let's hope it'sgonna be released soon.

BTW, I tried to scribble down any issues I have with the k-jam... the list is here
most of the issues are WM5 not K-Jam related, and I think some of them come from having got used to the ease with which my SE T610 fits my way of working (and the procession of SE-P900, Moto-A1000, LG-u81xx/u880 and Moto V3x that I use for work)

i probably over reacted a bit, this is my third device from Imate and i was quite happy with the previous two, i just expected this one to be the same, what bugs me a little is the performance of this device is not what i call excellent, and i was hopping for better,
as for the issues i am having, i don't think it can be fixed by a program or options. for example sometimes i get only one ring when someone is calling and sometimes it show my phone is off in the other end, the reminder's sound doesn't go off when i dismiss it so does the light for the reminder... etc...
of course not alot but it happens sometimes.
i am just disappointed with the promises, i just hope they don't give certain date unless they are positive they are going to meet it. that is the least you could do in the proffessional world :wink:

I agree... I think most of my disappointments are WM5 related rather than K-Jam... hopefully the (march?) ROM update will iron out a few little wrinkles.
I agree... they should be more certain before they release dates for ROM upgrades etc, or at the very least make sure they set expectations correctly by saying HTC expect to release in Jan, i-mate should release 2 months after that, and both HTC and/or i-mate to keep info on the (otherwise pretty useless) Club i-mate site to help manage our expectations

wm6.5 from htc on our hd

when i asked the premium reseller in my country about a free upgrade to wm6.5 expexted for htc hd he told me that it is not final that hd will not get it he told me that htc told him that they haven't decided yet and he will know in november if there will be an upgrade or not

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when i asked the premium reseller in my country about a free upgrade to wm6.5 expexted for htc hd he told me that it is not final that hd will not get it he told me that htc told him that they haven't decided yet and he will know in november if there will be an upgrade or not
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I'd be extremely surprised if they were to offer this after they said they wouldn't. It would be a welcomed change from their part, but I have my reservations about this............

If they really would release it, then only after some time selling the most recent devices which will come with WM6.5. Would be very nice from HTC side, but i think they won´t.

TMReuffurth said:
If they really would release it, then only after some time selling the most recent devices which will come with WM6.5. Would be very nice from HTC side, but i think they won´t.
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htc made a thing like this before for the tytnII it upgraded it to wm6.1 after the td and touchpro are sold enough

i really hope they do. in a way, the official 6.1 upgrade gave my touch dual a new lease of life.

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i really hope they do. in a way, the official 6.1 upgrade gave my touch dual a new lease of life.
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Precisely what a phone manufacturer doesn't want.

which is why HTC dosent let anyone flash whatever they want. its just a minority of users that come to this site and learn how to bypass CID etc.
6.1 was released for the touch dual because it went on sale in certain markets quite a while after the original 6.0 device was released.
so, fingers crossed, there are markets where the HD is still selling decently well, and HTC isnt bringing the Leo out anytime soon. It's this kind of scenario that will result in us seeing a (official) rom upgrade
i got kind of sick of using cooked 6.5 roms since they dont approach the stability of an official upgrade, which is unfortunate, but i cant tolerate that for my main phone. maybe after i get a replacement for my HD, i'll play around with upgrading it. much like what i do with my Universal after i got my touch dual. I dont use it as my critical business phone, so had fun tinkering with it!

i think everyone with an HD, that are not part of this comunity, a simply google search of: windows mobile 6.5 on touch hd, most pages that you get will have a link to xda-devs, so i hope HTC will realize that by them not giving the upgrade wont stop people from flashing it to their HD, thus better if they save all that hassle and just give the damn upgrade already

I own a Blackstone because last year our company's IT department did not certify other OS than Windows Mobile which will change soon (as Apple and Android move closer to a better MS Exchange connection).
I clearly expect from a mobile device manufacturer to keep their devices including the OS on the latrst and most current level at least for the usual time people use such devices (i.e. 2 years after purchase, if connected to a mobile provider contract). As far as I know, in many companies thie cycle is used even if there is no such connection to a provider.
To me, a company is not trustworthy that advertises the Touch HD as its "top level" device and one month later says that they will no longer support this device. It is RIDICULOUS that HTC did not even offer a ROM upgrade including the latest Manila 2.0/2.1, and this during a time period where the Touch HD was and still is an outstanding device.
Apple, by the way, offers free or cheap upgrades for their iphones which make it possible to run the latest version on the first iphones that had bveen manufactured. This does not prevent customers from buying more iPhones than aver. And I am convinced that if HTC would offer upgrades to the latest WM version or Manila version for existing devices, this would not drop sales significantly. Not offering upgrades is a fair swindle.
I am well aware that many people here stand close behind HTC and understand and tolerate the behaviour and business model of HTC much better than I do. I am using HTC devices for 5 years now and if we had not xda-developers, I would not even think of touching a HTC device again. I would certainly not buy one.
Cheers,
Eriol

xdaassasin said:
All is about money why put latest sw a better firmware if you need to sell more new product.etc touch HD2.Apple has got only few rubbish phones for stupid people.HTC is selling to completly diferrent customers levels.
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You mean, the quality of Apple's phones is to be compared to the intelligence of HTC customers?
No, honestly: I understand that you are in favour of the business strategy of HTC. But I cannot really understand this. I think that customers should put much more pressure on HTC. I, for instance, will not buy a new device every year. I will get one every two years. And I know quite a lot of other people who act the same way. I am aware that especially amongst the cookers and Chief's here at xda-developers, there are quite some that are really technic-freaks and always try to get hands on the latest device available. It is not their obligation to create ROMs for older models. But I think that it is definitely an obligation of HTC to do so. Especially because HTC devices are in fact technically speaking astonishing (if I look at my old Wizard and see how fast it runs TF2D ...).
Eriol

Calling on all hd2 owners for a petition to htc

I believe that owners of the HD2 might have all seen the USA version spec of the HD2, obably air their feelings about the hardware upgrade, I just got mine less than a week ago, and then to read on the web about bugs and updates for the HD2 from HTC, but to read that the US t-mobile customer will have a higher spec is frustrating to every HD2 owners.
So I suggest we all write in to HTC direct, even if their excuse is it's exclusive to the "t-mobile USA" only as they requested for it. I have written in already, but am just one among thousands of htc HD2 owners out there, so the more customer request or support on this topic, they are likely to respond into doing something.
Higher Ram, Rom and a 16Gb of storage card, compare to what we received and most of us saved up, got ourselves tied in to an contract with an air time provider and also had to pay for the device.
Simply stating that let us all write in or email in requesting for either an exchange when the USA launch their model, or they provider us with a suitable alternative.
So join me HD2 OWNERS in making a petition to HTC about our concerns, that we all had to make some sort of sacrifice in getting the HD2, rather than any other competitive handset or device that is currently in the market.
Sorry For Going on so long and any bad grammar or repetition.

Sorry mate, but you've not got my personal backing on this. It's a different device - end of. It's not even on the market yet, and probably won't be for quite some time.
And also, I really have to question this statement...
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...we all had to make some sort of sacrifice in getting the HD2, rather than any other competitive handset or device that is currently in the market.
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It was in no way, shape, or form a sacrifice for me to get the HD2 over a competitor's handset. It was an easy choice, and the correct one for me. There is no handset in the world right now that suits me better than the one I've got.
I pretty much guarantee this thread turning into a flame war. I hope for your sake, and the sake of all those who do feel hard done by, that it doesn't.
Good luck

ok . sounds good .
BUT i dont think anything will happen , as far as receiving a new handset .
but i guess its worth a try .

Lol no wai, Im very happy with my hd2.
The usa hd2 will be beaten by another one in no time also.
Hi everybody

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Sorry mate, but you've not got my personal backing on this. It's a different device - end of. It's not even on the market yet, and probably won't be for quite some time.
I pretty much guarantee this thread turning into a flame war. I hope for your sake, and the sake of all those who do feel hard done by, that it doesn't.
Good luck
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Thanks for your reply, but to correct you, its not a different device, had got a responce from HTC uk branch that, it a demand put in by t-mobile Us network, not the Usa market, but the air provider.
All am stating that for the same device but higher spec's we deserve more than what we paid for, in the space of how many months of launching the HD2 device.

Whilst HTC have stated to a number of that T-Mobile requested higher specification, it seems that all HD2's have 576Mb of RAM, its just not being shown and that theres a chance that we've also got the 1Gb flash, but time will tell on that... so no I wont be doing it either...

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Thanks for your reply, but to correct you, its not a different device, had got a responce from HTC uk branch that, it a demand put in by t-mobile Us network, not the Usa market, but the air provider.
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I obviously disagree on what makes something a different device. Besides, even if they did offer me one of these as a replacement for my "old" HD2, it wouldn't work properly in my country, so it would actually be a worse handset for me to have.
Anyway, like I said, good luck.

I do not want to comment on the merits, or lack of, in mounting such an action (although I do feel strongly the futility of it), I do wish to point to the OP that his cross posting of the same message in other threads makes it look more like he is a troll or spammer. I suggest that he not do any more cross posting. Here is one example of cross posting in an unrelated thread, I am sure there are others.

Poor HTC
My company wanted to buy 60 htc hd2, on my suggestion.
After the news of the new model with 1GB of ROM and the unknown upgrade to the OS WM7, there was a stop to purchase.
At this point waiting a few days for the evolution of the market (tonight Apple's presentation).
I think that the mail of HTC is not necessary, the market is merciless.
Poor HTC, today again of -0.41% (international market).
I think it should nevertheless provide a review of business manager.
Blaise

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I do not want to comment on the merits, or lack of, in mounting such an action (although I do feel strongly the futility of it), I do wish to point to the OP that his cross posting of the same message in other threads makes it look more like he is a troll or spammer. I suggest that he not do any more cross posting.
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No its not a spam just an error on my part, and to be clear there is no malice intent with what am suggesting apart from hopefully informing HTC that if the Uk market should be offered either a higher spec for the uk market or an alternative good will gesture e.g 16Gb memory card, an extended battery e.t.c.
On the positive side HTc did get back to me stating the obvious of difference in spec of the same handset, but will be happy to forward my concerns to thee right department, now that doesn't mean my request has been granted but rather notice and something be DONE OR NOT but at least HEARD.
Thanks to everyone who responded, accepting both the ve+ and ne- feedback

I am happy with my HD2. More than happy infact.
It is blistering fast and I have modded, prodded and firmware changed it to death. loving the customization.
Mind you the 16GB card would be nice!
other than that I am perfectly happy
GG

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No its not a spam just an error on my part, and to be clear there is no malice intent with what am suggesting apart from hopefully informing HTC that if the Uk market should be offered either a higher spec for the uk market or an alternative good will gesture e.g 16Gb memory card, an extended battery e.t.c.
On the positive side HTc did get back to me stating the obvious of difference in spec of the same handset, but will be happy to forward my concerns to thee right department, now that doesn't mean my request has been granted but rather notice and something be DONE OR NOT but at least HEARD.
Thanks to everyone who responded, accepting both the ve+ and ne- feedback
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Okay, sorry for thinking you were spamming...........
As for 16GB memory card, how can you blame HTC for that? I can go around Taipei and see the HD2 sold with differing sizes of memory cards in different places. Or maybe you would like to pick a bone with Taiwan Mobile, who carries the phone with 16 GB of flash memory. It is the dealer or carrier who decides the size of the memory card, not HTC.
And, there is nothing new in HTC offering different variations on one phone. They started out as an OEM manufacturer. Check the XDA Developers Wiki on HTC's history that can be seen through the products they manufactured through the years. I do not remember in the past when a phone had an upgrade with another carrier that it created such irrational rage in some.

i can not say that i'm unhappy with my hd2, i got mine in october from the uk and it would indeed be nice if htc would give free upgrades but wait and see what newer roms will bring!
and as long as every hd2 will get the wm7 upgrade (if it comes) i'm not that much concerned
maybe if got an other device by then anyways *g*
nevertheless i will write htc about the issue cause i want to know what their response is!

Can we PLEASE close this thread?
There is no point to it. The US HD2 is different hardware and will never come to Europe, so there's absolutely no point in complaining that the European HD2 is different.
Those that complain here don't even understand that the US HD2 wouldn't work for them, anyway. Nobody has been "shafted", because everyone who bought the "old" HD2 would still have to buy the "old" HD2, because the "new" one just doesn't work here in Europe.
HTC had to make a different HD2 because of the TMO US 3G-Bands and maybe memory chips got cheaper, smaller or TMO wanted to have more, so they put more memory in it, beause they had to produce a different HD2 anyway. It's only natural that after half a year, better technology comes out. You can't buy any piece of tech and then complain that half a year later, something better is available.
The US HD2 is different hardware and there's absolutely no reason to complain. It will not work in Europe and HTC won't change the European version. Moreover, you can't expect anything you buy to still be the best after half a year. End of story.

It's true
It's true, but but at least call HD3 !!!!!!!!!!!! ( this is marketing )
bye

I took my 386 into PC world the other day and they did a straight swap for a quad core 4.8GHz machine. They also apoligised for the fact that my PC only had 256MB RAM and gave me 8GB.

there's already a huge thread. so why don't go there and cry? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622734

so htc used us for beta testers and some of you are defending them?
no wonder they get away with it..
iphone sold 8.7 million devices in the christmas period..why did htc not try and get some of that market in the usa?
simple,they know the device was not working properly..

No, because it is no HD3.
And besides, we will probably get the HD3 half a year before the people in the US. That's only half a year later than their HD2. Does this give them the right to whine like little babies?
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so htc used us for beta testers and some of you are defending them?
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No, you whining little baby!
Our HD2 was produced half a year earlier. At that time, those chips probably simply weren't available or they were too expensive. The people in the US had to wait half a year longer than we did, now just let them enjoy their HD2. It's only natural that technology evolves with time.

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Can we PLEASE close this thread?
There is no point to it. The US HD2 is different hardware and will never come to Europe, so there's absolutely no point in complaining that the European HD2 is different.
Those that complain here don't even understand that the US HD2 wouldn't work for them, anyway. Nobody has been "shafted", because everyone who bought the "old" HD2 would still have to buy the "old" HD2, because the "new" one just doesn't work here in Europe.
HTC had to make a different HD2 because of the TMO US 3G-Bands and maybe memory chips got cheaper, smaller or TMO wanted to have more, so they put more memory in it, beause they had to produce a different HD2 anyway. It's only natural that after half a year, better technology comes out. You can't buy any piece of tech and then complain that half a year later, something better is available.
The US HD2 is different hardware and there's absolutely no reason to complain. It will not work in Europe and HTC won't change the European version. Moreover, you can't expect anything you buy to still be the best after half a year. End of story.
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sorry mate,if you don't want to discuss this and is very comfortable with your device you can always not click on threads that are discussing the topic..
don't come tell us to accept being testers for a device without agreeing to be such..

wm7 upgrade

ive been trying to decide if i want to wait for the us tmobiles leo or order the telstra one now and im very undecided. what will decide it for me,is wether every hd2 will be upgradeable to wm7 or just the us one?anyone know?

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ive been trying to decide if i want to wait for the us tmobiles leo or order the telstra one now and im very undecided. what will decide it for me,is wether every hd2 will be upgradeable to wm7 or just the us one?anyone know?
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they cannot offer updates for some devices and other not if they are under the same name hd2 if one gets it other will

thats what i was thinking,but the leak req for wm7 says 1 gig rom,and only the us version has that

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thats what i was thinking,but the leak req for wm7 says 1 gig rom,and only the us version has that
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1GB was recommended, but only 512 required.
Anyway, and more importantly, that was not leaked specs. It was a rumor. We might know more next week, so just wait and see.

lol but i want my big shiny new phone now!!!lol

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lol but i want my big shiny new phone now!!!lol
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then buy the only on the market right now

We will have some more information about WM7 next week (and we'll have actually seen it too!) but that doesn't mean we'll know if it will be available for the HD2.
No-one can give you a 100% yes or no answer to your question right now. You may only have to wait a week, but you may have to wait months before someone can.
If I were you, I'd forget about WM7 and concentrate on what phone you want right now. WM7 was put back to the end of this year (potentially 9 months from now), but I've seen rumours that it's been put back until "some time in 2011", so it could be over a year away.
Seriously, forget WM7 for now. Sorry mate

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but I've seen rumours that it's been put back until "some time in 2011", so it could be over a year away.
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Not true. They plan to have it released on (LG, HTC) phones in September.
Other than that: WM7 definitely runs on the HD2. 512MB ROM are enough.
Will it get an official upgrade? Nobody knows. Maybe HTC will say more next week.

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Not true. They plan to have it released on (LG, HTC) phones in September.
Other than that: WM7 definitely runs on the HD2. 512MB ROM are enough.
Will it get an official upgrade? Nobody knows. Maybe HTC will say more next week.
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This too is nothing but speculation I believe, as far as I know there hasn't been any official system requirements or planned release dates.

This is not speculation, this is knowledge.
When I say "definitely", then what I say is definitely right. I'm not like some other users here, who pretend they know something by using words like "definitely", when in fact, they have no clue at all.

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Not true. They plan to have it released on (LG, HTC) phones in September.
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Yes mate - I take it back. I'd totally forgot about that. Cheers

so then i ordered the telstra one,i woulda missed the 3g connection anyway,thankyou guys for the help

choose
If / when the win phone 7 update arrives one should realy think about if one should update.
I'm going on the news on the subject as it is coming in now, but there will be no multi-tasking, no installing apps (.cab) other then their marketplace, no backwards compatibility for the apps you use now, no 3rd party interface (no sense, no spb, no adv desktop) and more questionable changes.
Let's hope their zune meets iphone rip-off meets your expectations of it and is in any way usable.
(As you may have noticed, I'm not hopefull)
Ah well, if it doesn't we'll just jailbreak the m*ther
MS is yet to produce something that wasn't "assimilated" in the community before it hit the stores.

Also
don't forget that with win phone 7 there will be no Internet connection, no WiFi, and no GUI whatsoever, only CLI.

I'm going on the news on the subject as it is coming in now, but there will be no multi-tasking, no installing apps (.cab) other then their marketplace, no backwards compatibility for the apps you use now, no 3rd party interface (no sense, no spb, no adv desktop) and more questionable changes.
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Nothing but speculation.
Do you believe everything you read somewhere? Yes? Well, did you know the Russian government wants to kill you and only I can save you, if you give me all your money? Yep. Hurry up

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If / when the win phone 7 update arrives one should realy think about if one should update.
I'm going on the news on the subject as it is coming in now, but there will be no multi-tasking, no installing apps (.cab) other then their marketplace, no backwards compatibility for the apps you use now, no 3rd party interface (no sense, no spb, no adv desktop) and more questionable changes.
Let's hope their zune meets iphone rip-off meets your expectations of it and is in any way usable.
(As you may have noticed, I'm not hopefull)
Ah well, if it doesn't we'll just jailbreak the m*ther
MS is yet to produce something that wasn't "assimilated" in the community before it hit the stores.
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rumor quoted as fact, again.

funny rumors
freyberry said:
This is not speculation, this is knowledge.
When I say "definitely", then what I say is definitely right. I'm not like some other users here, who pretend they know something by using words like "definitely", when in fact, they have no clue at all.
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waw, such a confident post, I hope your knowledges are right, but we all know how the software development works, and till September there is plenty of time to push milestones forward and also which company will bring such a major updates for more than one year old device? ( it will be nice but marketing department will probably disagree )
So if you know something just tell us, or are you afraid that big bad corporation eat you or your favorites, Russian government will kill you if you do not give somebody your money?

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but we all know how the software development works, and till September there is plenty of time to push milestones forward
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I'm only saying what is now, there can always go something wrong, maybe it'll never be released or maybe they suddenly decide to only support devices with 2GHz Dual-Core processors or whatever...

Hope
Well, I was just putting it out there.
It is, as you say, still speculation.
Though I would not be surprised if MS was to come with something they controll completely, to make money of it.
But we'll know soon enough, they'll tell us in Spain this week.
Sure hope win phone 7 is something we can enjoy, a.s.o. something that will enoy the $h1t out of us faithfull winmo users.
Please tell me I won't have to do that "cloud" thing called android, google allready knows enough about me. I hate the cloud: my stuff is mine and should be on my stuff, but that's off topic.
Fact though, is that winmo doesn't give me much more then it did when it was on my wizzard few years back. It's HTC that makes it worth while with sense and stuff like that.
MS better have something good to beat that. And history doesn't encourage me much.

Well, I was just putting it out there.
It is, as you say, still speculation.
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You just shouldn't quote that speculation as if it was fact.
Other than that, I certainly hope that those rumors are wrong. Mel Sampat (the guy who works on the Windows Mobile 7 calendar) told me not to belive those kinds of rumor. I wouldn't take that as confirmation, however.
The user interface looks to be great, by the way. Really great. But the best UI in the world will not bring me over to an OS that's as limited as the iPhone's. I had some iPhones, and I certainly never want to use such a limited device again.
Anyway, all the speculation is useless, cause there are three days left and all I hope is that those questions will be answered, then.

win mobile 6.5.3

Anyone know why HTC have not released an official rom with this update, or even if they ever will release it? Cheers.

CONTACTMC said:
Anyone know why HTC have not released an official rom with this update, or even if they ever will release it? Cheers.
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Several reasons.
1. It would cost them money.
2. Not developing it encourages people to buy new phone models with 6.5.3, or WP7 which makes HTC more money.

Witch is also the reason why we'll not have wm7.

I understand them not giving us wm7 (SORT OF), but 6.5.3 is just an update to what we already have, I thought it was standard to get these updates with windows phones, like auto updates on the pc. If this is how they carry on then this will be my first and last htc / windows phone. (Yes i could just flash an unofficial rom, but I have this phone on an 18 month contract so cant afford to kill the warrenty) Its like MS creating a sevice pack but not releasing it officially. So which new phones come with 6.5.3? I cant think of any.

CONTACTMC said:
I understand them not giving us wm7 (SORT OF), but 6.5.3 is just an update to what we already have, I thought it was standard to get these updates with windows phones, like auto updates on the pc. If this is how they carry on then this will be my first and last htc / windows phone. (Yes i could just flash an unofficial rom, but I have this phone on an 18 month contract so cant afford to kill the warrenty) Its like MS creating a sevice pack but not releasing it officially. So which new phones come with 6.5.3? I cant think of any.
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Actually 6.5.3 or 6.5.x is way more than an update, they changed several things , so it really does not qualify as an update , more like a new sub-version ...

HTC have never been good with providing updates.
Given they have about 10 phones/year in a single category, they have no care for users of 'obsolete' (in their eyes) phones
And what's this talke of witches?

"us" get it in the backside!
htc, may be bad with updates. however us in the US have only gotten one update. it is like every other week i see an update or hotfix for every other country! we are so lucky to have a great place like this to get our phones even close to as updated as the rest of the world!
THANK YOU XDA and all of the great and generous developers that make it this great!

xaccers said:
Several reasons.
1. It would cost them money.
2. Not developing it encourages people to buy new phone models with 6.5.3, or WP7 which makes HTC more money.
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Or just buy an iPhone next time which receives regular updates and never touch HTC again. Ever.

laserviking said:
Or just buy an iPhone next time which receives regular updates and never touch HTC again. Ever.
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If you are such an iphone fanboy and don't like HTC why are you even posting in an forum devoted to an HTC phone????

laserviking said:
Or just buy an iPhone next time which receives regular updates and never touch HTC again. Ever.
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Please,.,. dont
this is a forum for the HTC HD2.
If you love the Iphone, thats good and everyone here will respect that.
Just Dont say, this one is better than that one, or even the Brand HTC.
But really,.,. dont try to be an apple fanboy on a HTC minded forum.
You could offend people, and i am sure thats not your intention

How hard is it for HTC to sort out a new rom with the latest 6.5x, cooks on here do it no trouble, and like peeps are gonna go out n get a new handset just for what is really just an update to what they already have, like I said, windows phone 7 is a brand new o.s, and I understand not getting that for free, but the 6.5x are just updates making it how it should have been in the first place. I would have though HTC would want to look after there existing customers, not make em feel like there brand new phones are outdated a week after they have got them. Like a HD2 owner is gonna go out and buy a brand new phone with 6.5x on it with 7 around the corner, so why not hook the peeps with 6.5 up, thus ensuring customer loyalty?

HtcMeo said:
Witch is also the reason why we'll not have wm7.
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Nah, they won't give us WP7 because they love us too much to give us such a horrible looking OS.

speakerphone said:
HTC have never been good with providing updates.
Given they have about 10 phones/year in a single category, they have no care for users of 'obsolete' (in their eyes) phones
And what's this talke of witches?
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ironic...?
by the way, what does 6.5.x have to offer over 6.5?, i honestly dont know....

laserviking said:
Or just buy an iPhone next time which receives regular updates and never touch HTC again. Ever.
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Have an iPhone 3G and it is JBd and unlocked. Refuse to keep updating it via iTunes. Apple has a good piece of Hardware, a lot of good apps, but they refuse to allow people who bought their phone and now own their phone to customize it. That is pure 'Dicktatorship.' LOL
Freedom of choice and optimization/customization is what makes us the USA!
So, iPhone or HTC, AT&T or T-Mobile is a choice you have. Apparently your choice is?
Thanks for your Opinion.