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Laptop connect via Hermes Modem - Free?

I have an unlimited 3g media plan with cingular.. when I connect it via dialup modem to use the internet, am I still using my unlimited plan? Or am I getting charged =\

i'd check with your phone service provider but most have a "reasonable use" policy and will withdraw your "unlimited" offer if they think you're usage is unreasonably high. Streaming video or audio will probably make them unhappy. Check the details of your contract.

It's against the terms of service, but as long as you use the same settings as your plan (wap.cingular if it's MEdiaWorks or Smartphone Connect) you don't get charged. If you're supposed to be using wap.cingular and you use the (potentially) better isp.cingular you MAY get charged. If you PDA Connect or Laptop connect (the only one where 'tethering, as it's known, is acceptable in the terms of service) you can use isp.cingular or the lesser settings.
Haven't quite setup tethering on mine yet, but my wap.cingular service has been asstastic since I got the phone. Can't use mapping software like map4pda for crap because the data keeps timing out...

so im guessing its pretty easy for them to realize if youre tethering or not eh? what if youre just streaming really large video files with your pda?

Your plan is unlimited, but not-so-unlimited (refer to your Terms of Service). If they deem you to be abusing -- either on the handheld or via tethering -- they reserve the right to drop you...

Basic Web & Walk file DlL Cost...?

Ive just got the basic web & walk package and going to use it as a usb modem for my laptop, I spoke to t-mobile CS and they advised if i were to download files such as mp3 I would be charged per kb
does anyone use there verio ii as a modem and also downloads files from a p2p network such as limwire/emule or ftp, will i be charged for this?
Thanks

I would advise against using P2P over your WnW connection, mostly because they probably have filters set up to spot just this kind of usage (regardless of what portranges you use) and if you used BitTorrent or similar, your connection would be RUBBISH (as you'd be constantly running through a proxy).
I've downloaded stuff and used my WnW connection with its wireless modem though, and as it just uses the phone's data connection I doubt that your usage would be flagged if it was just regular web page surfing... How could they prove that you were using it through a computer then?
Using P2P through the wireless modem connection is just asking for trouble, it's (imo) abuse of already limited network infrastructure and it reduces the quality of service for all users, that's why if you want to be able to do that (officially, and within the terms of service) you have to pay more for the privilege.
Sorry if that's not what you wanted to hear

Im going away over xmas and new year and was just wondering if i were to d/l the odd mp3 here and there, its not that I want to abuse the service just thought id ask here, before I had the W&W option I visited two websites and was charged £25

maybe it's different in your country but here in the Netherlands I can use torrent files just fine with my Vario II. I even installed WmTorrent on the device itself and get data rates of 80 KBps. Thats Kilo Bytes not bits
I'm on T-mobile with unlimited dataplan

internet sharing htc 8525 question

I already pay 4 an unlimited internet plan through cingular. I downloaded the wmwifirouter to my phone. I was wondering if I used this apllication to share my internet would there be additional charges.

no the operator would not even know all net activity was not don on the phone itself
if you want more info about how network routing works this is ok reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Router

Rudegar said:
no the operator would not even know all net activity was not don on the phone itself
if you want more info about how network routing works this is ok reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Router
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I would be careful if you are thinking about using it to connect you laptop. Even though you have an unlimited download regular web pages takes up significantly more data. Depending on how much you are downloading they could eventually suspend you account and/or up your rate. Casual use shouldn't be an issue.

o2 data charges

hey folks quick question i pay £7.50 a month for ulimited internet and email thru o2 and was wondering if i use wifi router to connect to internet will it use the data connection or will it appear on my bill as tethered internet,there is 2 options on wifi router for me mobile web and o2 active?? i dont want to contact o2 and ask them incase they say its extra and put a note on my account anybody have any info,
much appreciated
greg

"Mobile Web" is the one you're after. I've never had a problem using it myself (so far as the billing goes), but keep in mind that if you start to take the piss (massive downloads and excessive usage) then they're likely to take notice. I've heard of anything from throttling to being told you have to upgrade to a 'heavy user' package at a higher cost.
I use mine regularly when out and about for basic stuff and there's no problems. Just don't try to use it as a primary internet connection and you should be fine.

thanks for the reply n i just wanna use it at work for surfing the forum n occasional stream i am using it just now on the mobile web setting full 3g signal so getting gr8 internet.
thanks
greg

Keep an eye on what your laptop is downloading in the background. Windows Update, AntiVirus definitions and the like can account for more data than your browsing.A third party monitor might be useful.

Vpn then enable hotspot means att can't see I'm tethered and can't complain?

Anyone agree that its safe to assume if I setup my own private vpn at home I can vpn through that as an encrypted session which will stop att from snooping my data, then in turn if I vpn first then run a hotspot they'd be none the wiser?

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Anyone agree that its safe to assume if I setup my own private vpn at home I can vpn through that as an encrypted session which will stop att from snooping my data, then in turn if I vpn first then run a hotspot they'd be none the wiser?
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I would say a resounding NO. They don't care if your data is encrypted or not, VPN will do absolutely nothing to mask the amount of packet data your device is sending/receiving. You most likely don't have unlimited data (if you did before) and will probably be charged per gigabyte if you go over your monthly allowance.
From my understanding, carriers really cant stop you from tethering without a "tethering plan" once your device is rooted. I believe that's why most carriers got rid of unlimited data and moved to the tiered data plans. If you happen to somehow still have unlimited data and generate a lot of bandwidth, once they realize that your using an absurd amount of data without a tethering plan, they will hit you hard with overage charges. I think Verizon charges per kilobyte, not sure about AT&T.

I still have unlimited LTE data with AT&T but know if I hit 5GB in a month they throttle the hell out of me since I've hit it before. The reason I ask is if/when I'd ever use it then it would be more for a light connection like say if the GF wants to use the ipad in the car on a road trip. Or if I get some on call issue for work where I need a connection for my laptop on the go but not as a replacement for any large data transfers.
I just thought part of how the carriers tell that people are tethering would be say if you have an android phone and they start to notice traffic from your device to say Windows Update or the ITunes store and hence the VPN encryption if used day to day would mask any calls later that would be tethering related.

They can't tell if you're tethering plain and simple.
Your phone is sending and receiving the packets so thats all they see, if an app or your phone broadcasts those packets it doesn't matter as your phone is the connection point.
At the end of the day your phone is asking to go to youtube.com if it gives youtube to your iPad all you carrier see is that your phone wants youtube, not why.

The safest way to tether is to always use a VPN on the client that your tethered to your hotspot with. There are some great super cheap VPNs out there that have great bandwidth and good security.
Carriers can definitely tell if you're tethering - this isn't rocket science when you're using packet capturing tools. If you're constantly going to websites with a desktop browser they can see from the browser stats that it's a desktop vs mobile.
The other method is perhaps capturing the mac address off the packet isn't from a mobile-branded device. Since the phone hotspot is NAT'ing all the traffic from your own little private lan to the outside public addressing it *should* only contain the phone's IP and MAC, but depending on the packets it could also contain information from a device within the private lan (mac addresses). I have never tested this but in theory it's possible.
It's one thing to tether a tablet or another phone, most likely seems you would probably not get caught doing that.. but still possible. Tethering your desktop/laptop.. yea you'll get caught.
Like I said, use a VPN and you most likely won't be caught.

I think no need to. ived been tethering since 2010 using rooted phone(or non rooted using foxfi) and my 3gb data plan limit is the same. no notice from att that they detected that I am tethering and sometimes I over 2gb so I pay extra 20 bucks though
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Yes so I have changed cell phones from an LG K425 piece of garbage to a Motorola Razer 2 phone but now I am getting notices that I have gone over my 10 gigs a month hot spot which I haven't EVER gotten in the past almost 2 years or more of service. Guessing the Razer 2 has somehow reported this usage whereas the old LG didn't? Any suggestions or comments about what to do about this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.