MS Live Labs : Deepfish - Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General

http://labs.live.com/deepfish/
Video links:
http://on10.net/Blogs/larry/exclusive-video-new-mobile-web-browser--deepfish/
Quote:
"The Deepfish Technology Preview enhances existing mobile browsing technologies by displaying content in a view that is closer to the desktop experience. Our zoom-able interface and cue map allow you to quickly access the information you care about over the web without ever losing track of where you are."
Looks pretty good and promising. Has anyone downloaded it? I tried downloading but was shown and message saying download limits reached. Please upload if anyone has it.

nice idea but they are a bit late, most mobile browsers will do this anyway or you can use google which has something similar.
good to see microsoft is on the ball maybe instead of chasing support forum sites such as this they could be looking at the market place instead

st3v3 said:
nice idea but they are a bit late, most mobile browsers will do this anyway or you can use google which has something similar.
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Let me disagree. It's only the forthcoming NetFront 3.4 that supports quick navigation via thumbnail views.
(Of course, Deepfish is pretty simple as of now and is pretty useless for real browsing. This will surely change in the future though.)

^^^^ Simple is an understatement.
It is cool to look at but from a interactive perspective, it is really not the best.

download
You can download it from one of the "ppc" sharing sites. ;o)

OMG!!! This program is awsome!!

agovinoveritas said:
^^^^ Simple is an understatement.
It is cool to look at but from a interactive perspective, it is really not the best.
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Hence it's a technology preview... as it says on their site a few releases from beta quality... not ready for widespread distribution, lots of work still yet to do....

Related

picselbrowser iphone browser

this is great internet browser, there are many ppl looking for it, so grab it while you can, it is very smooth, it is the perfect browser if you like panning with yo finger, only there are some pages that do not load, and on ie do load, but yeah it is better than safari on that iphone
cheerz
What is the different compare to the one already in the Forum?
I cannot find the thread. You may need to search.
No! Deepfish is better... officially unreleased so far though.
CWKJ said:
What is the different compare to the one already in the Forum?
I cannot find the thread. You may need to search.
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that the download has been removed
have you ever thought WHY the download has been removed?
technically, picsel is only licensed for use on samsung windows mobile devices.
i dont care hehe
eh, thats you right. but what do samsung and the makers of picsel think? Samsung paid picsel for the right to use it in their phones, you know.
you are completely right, but they dont think of us willing to try this on other phones when they made this browser, not that they should
cheerz
Well, I don't think it's the best browser, but let's not fight over it
I've made a series of VERY serious comparisons and the alternates (Opera Mobile, Mino, NetFront, IEM + PIEPlus / MultiIE) have, in general, turned out to be better.
See my Browser Bible - a must read for everyone interested in Web browsing.
Menneisyys said:
Well, I don't think it's the best browser, but let's not fight over it
I've made a series of VERY serious comparisons and the alternates (Opera Mobile, Mino, NetFront, IEM + PIEPlus / MultiIE) have, in general, turned out to be better.
See my Browser Bible - a must read for everyone interested in Web browsing.
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well, youre right, i think its pretty slow, and there are many pages that dont load, sometimes, it closes the program automatally, so basicly its crap, haha, but the experience you get of a page is the best ive tried, but i will try one of the ones you recommended
cheers!
snotboy32 said:
No! Deepfish is better... officially unreleased so far though.
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Are you kidding? deepfish is very slow. the scrolling/zooming on picsel browser is 100% smoother.
hoggie3 said:
Are you kidding? deepfish is very slow. the scrolling/zooming on picsel browser is 100% smoother.
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Yup, for the time being, DeepFish really sucks.
im surprsed that this file is still being hosted, ppl better get it while they can, a lot of ppl have been asking where they can find it
as far as browsers go, i love opera mini, it just works so good right now, the earlier editions pretty much suked, but this one (beta 2) is amazing
picsel needs major work to fit on the ppc, to many memory errors and unloading pages
deepfish is a waste of time imo, opera makes that beta version look like crap
gobmonster said:
im surprsed that this file is still being hosted, ppl better get it while they can, a lot of ppl have been asking where they can find it
as far as browsers go, i love opera mini, it just works so good right now, the earlier editions pretty much suked, but this one (beta 2) is amazing
picsel needs major work to fit on the ppc, to many memory errors and unloading pages
deepfish is a waste of time imo, opera makes that beta version look like crap
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i agree the opera mini 4 beta 2 is outstanding, very very unique interface and pretty fast for what it offers
Menneisyys said:
Well, I don't think it's the best browser, but let's not fight over it
I've made a series of VERY serious comparisons and the alternates (Opera Mobile, Mino, NetFront, IEM + PIEPlus / MultiIE) have, in general, turned out to be better.
See my Browser Bible - a must read for everyone interested in Web browsing.
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I support that, Picsel Browser is a fancy UI with a mediocre browser engine. No more no less.
Regards,
Taguapire.
gobmonster said:
im surprsed that this file is still being hosted, ppl better get it while they can, a lot of ppl have been asking where they can find it
as far as browsers go, i love opera mini, it just works so good right now, the earlier editions pretty much suked, but this one (beta 2) is amazing
picsel needs major work to fit on the ppc, to many memory errors and unloading pages
deepfish is a waste of time imo, opera makes that beta version look like crap
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do you know if it supports the flash plugins, opera?
tomazez said:
do you know if it supports the flash plugins, opera?
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lol, i wish opera mini could do flash!
as in for now, no ppc browser does true flash, even with flash 7, pie cant really hand the load, it works with some, and doesnt with a lot
tomazez said:
do you know if it supports the flash plugins, opera?
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Nope. See my Browser Bible - in it, I've answered all these questions.
gobmonster said:
lol, i wish opera mini could do flash!
as in for now, no ppc browser does true flash, even with flash 7, pie cant really hand the load, it works with some, and doesnt with a lot
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Well, however much Adobe's Flash plug-in, speed-wise, is a piece of crap, other solutions (for example, NetFront's own Flash engine) are even worse.
And let's not forget at least we can run SOME real Flash apps, unlike Symbian or iPhone users, who need to stick with the far worse and far less common Flash Lite.

Ibis Browser - Claims 5x Faster Than PIE

Interesting. I am checking it out now. I don't know if I see 5x speed increase over PIE, but that may come with caching over time.
http://www.winbeta.org/comments.php?shownews=13398
Enjoy.
Working great on TYTN II...
Love the new Mouse Curser
Thanks,
Nadavi
nothing can beat PICSEL BROWSER
Business model of the ibisBrowserDX
* Consumers use the ibisBrowserDX for pay ($3 for a month).
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Would you be willing to pay a subscription for a web browser?
Its like the hip-hop industry: You create hype about your product by starting beef with the big dogs. Opera 8.6 is still the bomb.......
appelton said:
nothing can beat PICSEL BROWSER
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You've gotta be @#$king kidding me.
C++? Nobody does assembler anymore?
seems like opera mini, but based in c++.
doesn't specify if it supports tabbed browsing.
Edit: take a look at the large image on the left, theres an option to "open in new tab"
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS5880935332.html
Just used it for a bit and wow. Make sure and turn off ftouchflo because it has its own finger scrolling and it is very good imo.
I would never pay 3 bucks a month to use it, but I would definitely pay a little and use it.
It seems much faster than IE to me, this one gets the info, then loads the page. IE takes a long time and scrolling is slow.
ibisBrowser Not Secure
From their website:
"When you access to the pages using SSL, the communication between the ibisBrowser server and the target site is encrypted by SSL. The communication between your mobile phone and the ibisBrowser server is, however, not encrypted."
I think that I'll pass.
courtlandre said:
Just used it for a bit and wow. Make sure and turn off ftouchflo because it has its own finger scrolling and it is very good imo.
I would never pay 3 bucks a month to use it, but I would definitely pay a little and use it.
It seems much faster than IE to me, this one gets the info, then loads the page. IE takes a long time and scrolling is slow.
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no needto turn off ftouchflo...just put the app in the exclusions list.....
Vukile said:
Its like the hip-hop industry: You create hype about your product by starting beef with the big dogs. Opera 8.6 is still the bomb.......
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Yeah, but even T-Pain and Soulja Boy can outsell Kanye and Co.
namco said:
C++? Nobody does assembler anymore?
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Have you ever written in assembly before? It sucks. balls.
Besides, any good compiler these days can compile code that rivals even the most experienced assembly programmer.
ljinsane said:
no needto turn off ftouchflo...just put the app in the exclusions list.....
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Thats what I meant. I personally can't stand the way touchflo works.
Can you connect now? I'm getting the "Can't connect to ibis.ne.jp:80: Host not found" error message.
I somehow dislike the idea of having all my data transfered through their servers...but maybe i'll test it...
^ Exactly. Same thing as browsing with Google Mobile re-rendering the pages for you..
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From their website:
"When you access to the pages using SSL, the communication between the ibisBrowser server and the target site is encrypted by SSL. The communication between your mobile phone and the ibisBrowser server is, however, not encrypted."
I think that I'll pass.
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I'll pass as well.
Im not gonna provide my login+pass to some Japanese company to let it be stored on their servers..
I kind of like it. Reminds me alot like Opera Mini, but it's native for Windows Mobile. The only thing is that it takes forever to load a webpage.
neilson said:
Yeah, but even T-Pain and Soulja Boy can outsell Kanye and Co.
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fyi ...soulja boy hasnt even gone gold...while kanye has sole at least 2 mil and tpain not even close.....lol
ljinsane said:
fyi ...soulja boy hasnt even gone gold...while kanye has sole at least 2 mil and tpain not even close.....lol
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Ok, good point. But in terms of airplay on the Radio(both OTA and Satallite), Soulja Boy is absolutely crushing everyone else. And T-Pain is playing the Lil' Wayne card in having a spot in just about every rap out there right now.

skyfire .9B is out!

It is much more stable and can play flash 10 !
get.skyfire.com point that on on opera/IE or w/e
It seems it does not work with the T-mobile proxy plan for those who are wondering. I just tried it . It does seem to start up faster with my Herald.
Can someone tell me the SHA or MD5 hash for this file? It only seem to be getting the same file I got several days ago.
Cool thanks for the heads up, installed and ran good on my TP
lotion said:
Can someone tell me the SHA or MD5 hash for this file? It only seem to be getting the same file I got several days ago.
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223F7654C00BE4D9845B9D53AAD7CBDC *Skyfire-PPC.CAB is MD5 i got
does it require registeration?
ranasrule said:
does it require registeration?
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Newp is does not far as i know
ranasrule said:
does it require registeration?
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Confirmed.
I just downloaded & installed. No reg required.
I still like Iris better for typical website rendering. Skyfire is a bit slow
would the installation of this version delete my currant favs?
Still no VGA rendering. Still sucks on VGA devices.
unknown123456 said:
It seems it does not work with the T-mobile proxy plan for those who are wondering. I just tried it . It does seem to start up faster with my Herald.
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Skyfire itself uses a proxy, so its highly unlikely it will ever be compatible with another proxy.
Somekind of proxy... It's rendering sites on external server intead of device.
And the redering is slow for me. Uninstalled.
Works pretty fast and good for me. Thanks for pointing out the update.
It is finally getting close to the hype
I was excited when Skyfire was first released, but found that the simple things like text entry made it too much of a hassle to use compared to Iris. I see that now many of those shortcomings have been overcome. I'll still use Iris as my primary browser ( I love that most sites show me the "Iphone" version of their site ) but I'll be keeping Skyfire around this time at least for viewing flash sites. I was able to watch Hulu yesterday with Skyfire, and that was pretty cool. If thats all it was good for it would be a keeper.
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I was excited when Skyfire was first released, but found that the simple things like text entry made it too much of a hassle to use compared to Iris. I see that now many of those shortcomings have been overcome. I'll still use Iris as my primary browser ( I love that most sites show me the "Iphone" version of their site ) but I'll be keeping Skyfire around this time at least for viewing flash sites. I was able to watch Hulu yesterday with Skyfire, and that was pretty cool. If thats all it was good for it would be a keeper.
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+1. i dont need it to replace opera - just play video sites like hulu and thats good enough for me
does it still have problems with loading long pages and getting the bottom of them cut off?
Nice browser!
it is best browser i've seen - it requires some power, so do not be surprised with feeble htc units.
iris is ok, but no flash support, and its slower that it should at current state.
skyfire and opera mini - two things that good to have cooked into roms, imo.
416 mhz xscale is enough to handle skyfire.
loved skyfire the minute it came out, simply because of flash support and fast rendering of most sites.

Google Browser Claims

Hey...a couple browser issues:
1. Given my appreciation of Chrome I had reason to expect Froyo browser performance to live up to Google's 'fastest mobile browser ever claim'. I think its faster than 2.1 browser but not at all faster than Skyfire and other browsers in the Market. (Based on avg. time it takes to download certain sites).
2. Hey guys how can we experience the 'full glory of web pages if the browser uses mobile versions of sites?...Despite having desktop user chosen? Any tricks I need to be aware of?
thanks
Look up how skyfire works, that is why it renders pages faster, same with opera.
Yeah well Opera fir sure....much poorer rendering of pages....
Skyfire not so sure....those pages are as sharp as stock.
Opera. Mini and skyfire use outside servers to view the pages, tub rerender them for mobile. This is why nothing secure, I.e. banking should be done with them. Opera mobile,fennec, IE mobile, and Google (nexus one stock) browsers. Render within the phone. Not sure about steel though.
mrbkkt1 said:
Opera. Mini and skyfire use outside servers to view the pages, tub rerender them for mobile. This is why nothing secure, I.e. banking should be done with them. Opera mobile,fennec, IE mobile, and Google (nexus one stock) browsers. Render within the phone. Not sure about steel though.
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Good info...didn't know.
I believe on android skyfire, only uses servers for video, web is done on the same framework as the stock browser.
rockky said:
2. Hey guys how can we experience the 'full glory of web pages if the browser uses mobile versions of sites?...Despite having desktop user chosen? Any tricks I need to be aware of?
thanks
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Type "about:debug" into the URL bar and hit "Go" on the keyboard [the arrow won't work]. Then go to settings > UAString [at the bottom] and change to Desktop. Unfortunately this isn't a permanent solution because it resets back to Android at the end of the session. For more convenient switching we're going to have to wait for CM6 and other Froyo based ROMs.
Why would you want to use a desktop version of a site if there is a mobile version available, thats STUPID
Probably because mobile versions are often lacking content.
tomfreay said:
Why would you want to use a desktop version of a site if there is a mobile version available, thats STUPID
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This is the dumbest comment ever made on a forum... I salute you ftw on that.... not to be rude but seriously ...
Desktop is way better. I hate mobile versions.
STUPID....of Google to try and replicate mobile internet pages that render exactly like your deskstop. STUPID Google. Thanks....Ill settle for the mobile rendition.
tomfreay said:
Why would you want to use a desktop version of a site if there is a mobile version available, thats STUPID
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y2whisper said:
I believe on android skyfire, only uses servers for video, web is done on the same framework as the stock browser.
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This is true. SkyFire for Android only proxy's the Video content. They didn't take the time to build a full blown browser for Andoird. They bought the Steel Browser to work as the base of theirs and just changed it up for the video proxy.
rockky said:
STUPID....of Google to try and replicate mobile internet pages that render exactly like your deskstop. STUPID Google. Thanks....Ill settle for the mobile rendition.
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I don't get your post
But it is stupid to want to use a desktop version of a site on a mobile device, thats like trying to use Win 7 on your nexus!
The claim wasn't about rendering speed but for javascript performance
Mobile versions if websites miss content.
The few I saw before changing to desktop didn't allow pinch and zoom either.
In fact they couldn't be resized at all.
tomfreay said:
I don't get your post
But it is stupid to want to use a desktop version of a site on a mobile device, thats like trying to use Win 7 on your nexus!
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Think there is a few things you don't get...
And, I don't understand the speed complaint either.
The browser is amazingly fast.
The phone un general, absolutely rocks now.
Rusty! said:
Think there is a few things you don't get...
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Like what?
I get that mobile versions may be missing content, but that just means that the developers of those site need to do their job better
What I don't get is how having a website specifically designed for type of device you are using is a bad thing?
If you Disable flash The browser is much faster!
tomfreay said:
Like what?
I get that mobile versions may be missing content, but that just means that the developers of those site need to do their job better
What I don't get is how having a website specifically designed for type of device you are using is a bad thing?
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Read my above post.

True about Flash and Froyo

So I was browsing the Internet to see how cool is to have Flash on Android device, I was sure Adobe improved flash due to many many criticizes about it but I was wrong.
I know(actually I think) that Google did his part, and improved speed and usability in Android, but Adobe still needs a LOT of optimization!
In this video you will see following because of installed Adobe Flash:
-Slow page loading(even though Google improved speed in Froyo!)
-choppy performance
-instability
-huge CPU and RAM usage
Android 2.2 (Froyo) Web Browser Test with Flash enabled
In my opinion don't install Adobe Flash Player
Don't get me wrong guys I love Android 2.2 and Google openness, but ADOBE needs to work...A LOT!
What do you expect? It's a beta release.
Rusty! said:
What do you expect? It's a beta release.
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Than they shouldn't release it, it is useless!
Apple was right...I can't believe that is true!
This really bugs me, its FAR from useless. I have used it to play music from the myspace music players, games on kongregate, a liveleak video, and on the burger king website. It works great, if you keep it on demand and not on all the time, it won't even slow down your browsing. If you really think that this is useless, and shouldn't be released, then you are an idiot. It may not work 100% yet, but this is a huge step forward for the Android platform, and I for one am thankful that I have it on my Nexus. If you don't want it, you can uninstall it, it's that easy. Stop being whiny idiots and complaining about how it slows this down or uses too much CPU.
You can go into your settings and set the Flash plugin to "On demand" which essentially switches it off until you browse to a site with Flash content when you will see a play button. Press that button and the Flash will load.
Perhaps that should be the default option, but nonetheless, simple to change and is definitely the way forwards in my view.
i don't browse flash based website all the time, so it doesn't bother me at all. at least i know the mobile browser is fully functional for all websites.
Its Beta for a reason "Testing purposes"
benko286 said:
Than they shouldn't release it, it is useless!
Apple was right...I can't believe that is true!
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Calm down. It's not even hardware accelerated yet. I for one am glad I've got any flash support this far.
If you only wanted something that's 100% failsafe go grab a parchment and quill
I hope the op isn't trolling. Adobe released the beta version for adventurous people to try it. If you don't think it is ready, then fine, just unistall it. No need to jump into conclusion when the final version isn't even out yet. The argument 'then they shouldn't release it (the beta version)' is rather weak because we are talking about a beta version here, which is expected to have flaws here or there...
flash works fine for me...and it definitely doesn't leave my browser sluggish...seems to be faster than the 2.1 browser even with Flash enabled...so I dunno.
Also, the Froyo browser is a fully capable HTML5 browser as well...so no, Apple wasn't right, Google was right...options > no options. I could understand if Google was anti-HTML5 but they are not, in fact as witnessed in the Day 1 Keynote of Google I/O they are one of HTML5's biggest supporters.
They just refuse to abandon the PRESENT to feed the future.
at least we have the option to use Flash.
You can change the plugin settings in the browser to load on demand so it will only load the flash content if u click on it.
Seriously, some people need to learn what "BETA" means. u_u
it's funny.
I was reading this and went to cnn and I was watching that oil spill vid.
And then someone called me. The vid stops and I talk on the phone to a
co worker and then hang up after about ten minutes. After pressing the end call button the video starts back up in the browser.
I thought that was pretty cool.
It's better than I thought it would be, and I'm pretty happy to have it.
NexusDro said:
I hope the op isn't trolling. Adobe released the beta version for adventurous people to try it. If you don't think it is ready, then fine, just unistall it. No need to jump into conclusion when the final version isn't even out yet. The argument 'then they shouldn't release it (the beta version)' is rather weak because we are talking about a beta version here, which is expected to have flaws here or there...
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Exactly - It's a standalone app that can be uninstalled if you so choose to. I may feel differently if it was integrated. Not sure what Google's plans are when the final is released though.
Don't get me wrong guys I love Android 2.2 and Google openness, but ADOBE needs to work...A LOT!
benko286 said:
qq
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You need to understand what the term "beta" means before you word vomit all over the internet.
uberingram said:
you need to understand what the term "beta" means before you word vomit all over the internet.
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uberingram said:
You need to understand what the term "beta" means before you word vomit all over the internet.
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They should call it Alpha..in my opinion it is far from beta-.-
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They should call it Alpha..in my opinion it is far from beta-.-
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Other than huge flash sites its awesome for me. I think its easily almost done.
Yeah initially flash slowed down my browser but once I switched it to ON DEMAND only everything is perfect. The thing I like about android is that I have the CHOICE to use flash if I want. I don't have to let apple choose for me. And when html5 matures and is mainstream I will have to choice to use both.
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