Hey...a couple browser issues:
1. Given my appreciation of Chrome I had reason to expect Froyo browser performance to live up to Google's 'fastest mobile browser ever claim'. I think its faster than 2.1 browser but not at all faster than Skyfire and other browsers in the Market. (Based on avg. time it takes to download certain sites).
2. Hey guys how can we experience the 'full glory of web pages if the browser uses mobile versions of sites?...Despite having desktop user chosen? Any tricks I need to be aware of?
thanks
Look up how skyfire works, that is why it renders pages faster, same with opera.
Yeah well Opera fir sure....much poorer rendering of pages....
Skyfire not so sure....those pages are as sharp as stock.
Opera. Mini and skyfire use outside servers to view the pages, tub rerender them for mobile. This is why nothing secure, I.e. banking should be done with them. Opera mobile,fennec, IE mobile, and Google (nexus one stock) browsers. Render within the phone. Not sure about steel though.
mrbkkt1 said:
Opera. Mini and skyfire use outside servers to view the pages, tub rerender them for mobile. This is why nothing secure, I.e. banking should be done with them. Opera mobile,fennec, IE mobile, and Google (nexus one stock) browsers. Render within the phone. Not sure about steel though.
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Good info...didn't know.
I believe on android skyfire, only uses servers for video, web is done on the same framework as the stock browser.
rockky said:
2. Hey guys how can we experience the 'full glory of web pages if the browser uses mobile versions of sites?...Despite having desktop user chosen? Any tricks I need to be aware of?
thanks
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Type "about:debug" into the URL bar and hit "Go" on the keyboard [the arrow won't work]. Then go to settings > UAString [at the bottom] and change to Desktop. Unfortunately this isn't a permanent solution because it resets back to Android at the end of the session. For more convenient switching we're going to have to wait for CM6 and other Froyo based ROMs.
Why would you want to use a desktop version of a site if there is a mobile version available, thats STUPID
Probably because mobile versions are often lacking content.
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Why would you want to use a desktop version of a site if there is a mobile version available, thats STUPID
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This is the dumbest comment ever made on a forum... I salute you ftw on that.... not to be rude but seriously ...
Desktop is way better. I hate mobile versions.
STUPID....of Google to try and replicate mobile internet pages that render exactly like your deskstop. STUPID Google. Thanks....Ill settle for the mobile rendition.
tomfreay said:
Why would you want to use a desktop version of a site if there is a mobile version available, thats STUPID
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I believe on android skyfire, only uses servers for video, web is done on the same framework as the stock browser.
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This is true. SkyFire for Android only proxy's the Video content. They didn't take the time to build a full blown browser for Andoird. They bought the Steel Browser to work as the base of theirs and just changed it up for the video proxy.
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STUPID....of Google to try and replicate mobile internet pages that render exactly like your deskstop. STUPID Google. Thanks....Ill settle for the mobile rendition.
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I don't get your post
But it is stupid to want to use a desktop version of a site on a mobile device, thats like trying to use Win 7 on your nexus!
The claim wasn't about rendering speed but for javascript performance
Mobile versions if websites miss content.
The few I saw before changing to desktop didn't allow pinch and zoom either.
In fact they couldn't be resized at all.
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I don't get your post
But it is stupid to want to use a desktop version of a site on a mobile device, thats like trying to use Win 7 on your nexus!
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Think there is a few things you don't get...
And, I don't understand the speed complaint either.
The browser is amazingly fast.
The phone un general, absolutely rocks now.
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Think there is a few things you don't get...
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Like what?
I get that mobile versions may be missing content, but that just means that the developers of those site need to do their job better
What I don't get is how having a website specifically designed for type of device you are using is a bad thing?
If you Disable flash The browser is much faster!
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Like what?
I get that mobile versions may be missing content, but that just means that the developers of those site need to do their job better
What I don't get is how having a website specifically designed for type of device you are using is a bad thing?
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Read my above post.
Related
this is great internet browser, there are many ppl looking for it, so grab it while you can, it is very smooth, it is the perfect browser if you like panning with yo finger, only there are some pages that do not load, and on ie do load, but yeah it is better than safari on that iphone
cheerz
What is the different compare to the one already in the Forum?
I cannot find the thread. You may need to search.
No! Deepfish is better... officially unreleased so far though.
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What is the different compare to the one already in the Forum?
I cannot find the thread. You may need to search.
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that the download has been removed
have you ever thought WHY the download has been removed?
technically, picsel is only licensed for use on samsung windows mobile devices.
i dont care hehe
eh, thats you right. but what do samsung and the makers of picsel think? Samsung paid picsel for the right to use it in their phones, you know.
you are completely right, but they dont think of us willing to try this on other phones when they made this browser, not that they should
cheerz
Well, I don't think it's the best browser, but let's not fight over it
I've made a series of VERY serious comparisons and the alternates (Opera Mobile, Mino, NetFront, IEM + PIEPlus / MultiIE) have, in general, turned out to be better.
See my Browser Bible - a must read for everyone interested in Web browsing.
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Well, I don't think it's the best browser, but let's not fight over it
I've made a series of VERY serious comparisons and the alternates (Opera Mobile, Mino, NetFront, IEM + PIEPlus / MultiIE) have, in general, turned out to be better.
See my Browser Bible - a must read for everyone interested in Web browsing.
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well, youre right, i think its pretty slow, and there are many pages that dont load, sometimes, it closes the program automatally, so basicly its crap, haha, but the experience you get of a page is the best ive tried, but i will try one of the ones you recommended
cheers!
snotboy32 said:
No! Deepfish is better... officially unreleased so far though.
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Are you kidding? deepfish is very slow. the scrolling/zooming on picsel browser is 100% smoother.
hoggie3 said:
Are you kidding? deepfish is very slow. the scrolling/zooming on picsel browser is 100% smoother.
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Yup, for the time being, DeepFish really sucks.
im surprsed that this file is still being hosted, ppl better get it while they can, a lot of ppl have been asking where they can find it
as far as browsers go, i love opera mini, it just works so good right now, the earlier editions pretty much suked, but this one (beta 2) is amazing
picsel needs major work to fit on the ppc, to many memory errors and unloading pages
deepfish is a waste of time imo, opera makes that beta version look like crap
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im surprsed that this file is still being hosted, ppl better get it while they can, a lot of ppl have been asking where they can find it
as far as browsers go, i love opera mini, it just works so good right now, the earlier editions pretty much suked, but this one (beta 2) is amazing
picsel needs major work to fit on the ppc, to many memory errors and unloading pages
deepfish is a waste of time imo, opera makes that beta version look like crap
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i agree the opera mini 4 beta 2 is outstanding, very very unique interface and pretty fast for what it offers
Menneisyys said:
Well, I don't think it's the best browser, but let's not fight over it
I've made a series of VERY serious comparisons and the alternates (Opera Mobile, Mino, NetFront, IEM + PIEPlus / MultiIE) have, in general, turned out to be better.
See my Browser Bible - a must read for everyone interested in Web browsing.
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I support that, Picsel Browser is a fancy UI with a mediocre browser engine. No more no less.
Regards,
Taguapire.
gobmonster said:
im surprsed that this file is still being hosted, ppl better get it while they can, a lot of ppl have been asking where they can find it
as far as browsers go, i love opera mini, it just works so good right now, the earlier editions pretty much suked, but this one (beta 2) is amazing
picsel needs major work to fit on the ppc, to many memory errors and unloading pages
deepfish is a waste of time imo, opera makes that beta version look like crap
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do you know if it supports the flash plugins, opera?
tomazez said:
do you know if it supports the flash plugins, opera?
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lol, i wish opera mini could do flash!
as in for now, no ppc browser does true flash, even with flash 7, pie cant really hand the load, it works with some, and doesnt with a lot
tomazez said:
do you know if it supports the flash plugins, opera?
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Nope. See my Browser Bible - in it, I've answered all these questions.
gobmonster said:
lol, i wish opera mini could do flash!
as in for now, no ppc browser does true flash, even with flash 7, pie cant really hand the load, it works with some, and doesnt with a lot
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Well, however much Adobe's Flash plug-in, speed-wise, is a piece of crap, other solutions (for example, NetFront's own Flash engine) are even worse.
And let's not forget at least we can run SOME real Flash apps, unlike Symbian or iPhone users, who need to stick with the far worse and far less common Flash Lite.
Interesting. I am checking it out now. I don't know if I see 5x speed increase over PIE, but that may come with caching over time.
http://www.winbeta.org/comments.php?shownews=13398
Enjoy.
Working great on TYTN II...
Love the new Mouse Curser
Thanks,
Nadavi
nothing can beat PICSEL BROWSER
Business model of the ibisBrowserDX
* Consumers use the ibisBrowserDX for pay ($3 for a month).
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Would you be willing to pay a subscription for a web browser?
Its like the hip-hop industry: You create hype about your product by starting beef with the big dogs. Opera 8.6 is still the bomb.......
appelton said:
nothing can beat PICSEL BROWSER
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You've gotta be @#$king kidding me.
C++? Nobody does assembler anymore?
seems like opera mini, but based in c++.
doesn't specify if it supports tabbed browsing.
Edit: take a look at the large image on the left, theres an option to "open in new tab"
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS5880935332.html
Just used it for a bit and wow. Make sure and turn off ftouchflo because it has its own finger scrolling and it is very good imo.
I would never pay 3 bucks a month to use it, but I would definitely pay a little and use it.
It seems much faster than IE to me, this one gets the info, then loads the page. IE takes a long time and scrolling is slow.
ibisBrowser Not Secure
From their website:
"When you access to the pages using SSL, the communication between the ibisBrowser server and the target site is encrypted by SSL. The communication between your mobile phone and the ibisBrowser server is, however, not encrypted."
I think that I'll pass.
courtlandre said:
Just used it for a bit and wow. Make sure and turn off ftouchflo because it has its own finger scrolling and it is very good imo.
I would never pay 3 bucks a month to use it, but I would definitely pay a little and use it.
It seems much faster than IE to me, this one gets the info, then loads the page. IE takes a long time and scrolling is slow.
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no needto turn off ftouchflo...just put the app in the exclusions list.....
Vukile said:
Its like the hip-hop industry: You create hype about your product by starting beef with the big dogs. Opera 8.6 is still the bomb.......
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Yeah, but even T-Pain and Soulja Boy can outsell Kanye and Co.
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C++? Nobody does assembler anymore?
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Have you ever written in assembly before? It sucks. balls.
Besides, any good compiler these days can compile code that rivals even the most experienced assembly programmer.
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no needto turn off ftouchflo...just put the app in the exclusions list.....
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Thats what I meant. I personally can't stand the way touchflo works.
Can you connect now? I'm getting the "Can't connect to ibis.ne.jp:80: Host not found" error message.
I somehow dislike the idea of having all my data transfered through their servers...but maybe i'll test it...
^ Exactly. Same thing as browsing with Google Mobile re-rendering the pages for you..
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From their website:
"When you access to the pages using SSL, the communication between the ibisBrowser server and the target site is encrypted by SSL. The communication between your mobile phone and the ibisBrowser server is, however, not encrypted."
I think that I'll pass.
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I'll pass as well.
Im not gonna provide my login+pass to some Japanese company to let it be stored on their servers..
I kind of like it. Reminds me alot like Opera Mini, but it's native for Windows Mobile. The only thing is that it takes forever to load a webpage.
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Yeah, but even T-Pain and Soulja Boy can outsell Kanye and Co.
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fyi ...soulja boy hasnt even gone gold...while kanye has sole at least 2 mil and tpain not even close.....lol
ljinsane said:
fyi ...soulja boy hasnt even gone gold...while kanye has sole at least 2 mil and tpain not even close.....lol
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Ok, good point. But in terms of airplay on the Radio(both OTA and Satallite), Soulja Boy is absolutely crushing everyone else. And T-Pain is playing the Lil' Wayne card in having a spot in just about every rap out there right now.
Well not out yet but beta version should be available soon. Opera Mobile 9.5 browser. Everything you need from a browser on your phone. However still missing flash capabilities. See the video below.
http://www.opera.com/b2b/solutions/mobile/video/
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Well not out yet but beta version should be available soon. Opera Mobile 9.5 browser. Everything you need from a browser on your phone. However still missing flash capabilities. See the video below.
http://www.opera.com/b2b/solutions/mobile/video/
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then its not what we've been waiting for.
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then its not what we've been waiting for.
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lol what i meant was it has the functionality of opera mini and more. But its a proper ppc app not a java application.
Just seen the opera press release http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2008/02/05/
If you look under the section that says fully loaded:
Web 2.0-enabled, Widget-ready and Flash support turn Opera Mobile 9.5 into a fully loaded browser allowing users to access all their favorite Web sites such as Facebook, MySpace and more. With Opera Mobile 9.5, OEMs and operators will have the capability to include Flash Lite 3, empowering their smartphone users with access to the full Web including the ability to watch videos on YouTube effortlessly. So i was wrong first time it does have flash.
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This made me crack up! Funniest post in a long time.
I'm glad the OP took it well.
I'd be very surprised if they'd release a beta to us regular customers before 2009/2010... I've completely lost my hope in Opera.
Over a year ago they told us Opera Mobile 9.0 was going to be released SOON
sounds good, does anyone know when it is supposed to be released?
Well, the situation with wm browsers is exactly like the pre-Firefox IE6 era. Please Opera, make a decent browser, release it NOW that its time has come and you will definetly be the Firefox of the WM platform!
Well, it looks it's intended for manufactures and carriers, and not for final user sales...
What has really surprised me is this:
Opera Mobile 9.5 will be available on all major platforms including Symbian, Windows Mobile and Linux, as both a standalone browser and as a SDK.
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Android or Qtopia (nokia) anyone?
The mood on this page was pretty strange. hehe. This is great news!
check out skyfire, (still in private beta tho) http://www.skyfire.com/
Wow... it's looks great. And I thought PIE 6.1 is gonna take over as the main browser.
i presume its not going to be free though... shame.
here is the link to PIE 6.1 ( extracted from WM 6.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365721
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here is the link to PIE 6.1 ( extracted from WM 6.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365721
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cheers, was just looking for it lol
Am I missing something???!!!!
ekin101 said:
Wow... it's looks great. And I thought PIE 6.1 is gonna take over as the main browser.
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PIE (even 6.1) is rubbish. It doesnt render the page in desktop mode at all. The formatting is always wrong. The Zoom feature of 6.1 is next to useless.
at the moment the only browser that comes close to the desktop experience is Opera Mini. OM9.5 looks like the right way forward.
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check out skyfire, (still in private beta tho) http://www.skyfire.com/
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Skyfire hasn't started their public private beta testing yet. I signed up for it but to know that they'll be seeing what sites I surf to due to server side rendering, I think I'd take Opera 9.5 over it.
Like it's been said before in this post, Opera 9 was promised how long ago? Hopefully 9.5 comes out before WM6.1 is obsolete.
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Skyfire hasn't started their public private beta testing yet. I signed up for it but to know that they'll be seeing what sites I surf to due to server side rendering, I think I'd take Opera 9.5 over it.
Like it's been said before in this post, Opera 9 was promised how long ago? Hopefully 9.5 comes out before WM6.1 is obsolete.
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Opera 9.5 is server side rendered too!!!
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Opera 9.5 is server side rendered too!!!
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I stand corrected.
flykthewiz said:
Opera 9.5 is server side rendered too!!!
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Huh!? Are you completely sure about that? I thought Opera Mobile 9.5 would be a FULL browser just like Nokias browser and Opera 8.65... Why server side rendering when Opera Mini 4 already does that!
msmobiles is reporting that it is local rendering.
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Unlike Opera Mini and unlike Skyfire, Opera Moible 9.5 is a genuine stand-alone Internet browser, that doesn't require any proxy servers.
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If you don't know what Skyfire is please chek this:
http://www.skyfire.com/product
I have this skyfire beta but i don't live in the US and i'm not registered in their database so i can't try this amazing wannabe browser.
So i ask you if anyone could hack this beta and make it free to use for everyone.
Thank you guys, you are the best!
download skyfire beta here
http://www.savefile.com/files/1490271
Nope. Skyfire is server-side based.
Also, there are a lot of developers on here. Ask them how they'd like it if a CLOSED beta of theirs got cracked in such a manner. Just wait your turn and it'll come to you when they have a more polished product.
cavalloz said:
If you don't know what Skyfire is please chek this:
http://www.skyfire.com/product
I have this skyfire beta but i don't live in the US and i'm not registered in their database so i can't try this amazing wannabe browser.
So i ask you if anyone could hack this beta and make it free to use for everyone.
Thank you guys, you are the best!
download skyfire beta here
http://www.savefile.com/files/1490271
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the point of this forum is to develop independant software to improve the platform. not wreak the chances of a company trying to do the same. the software is free to use. i'm waiting as well and looking forward to getting my chance, do it the right way mate
How about you sign up and wait for it like everybody else. Relax, just use Opera Mini, it's better.
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How about you sign up and wait for it like everybody else. Relax, just use Opera Mini, it's better.
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i can't, i don't live in the us.
and opera mini can't play youtube but i will wait
hi, i´m waiting for skyfire, too.
so i search a bit on there web page and at "blogs" i found this:
we will get to everyone in Beta 1 by the end of April.
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here is the link:
http://www.skyfire.com/product/blog
so we have to wait a bit longer.
but i think we will survive it
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i can't, i don't live in the us.
and opera mini can't play youtube but i will wait
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Try the CorePlayer w/ youtube.
mchapman007 said:
Try the CorePlayer w/ youtube.
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i use it right now but it's hard to use explorer
wmvfan said:
hi, i´m waiting for skyfire, too.
so i search a bit on there web page and at "blogs" i found this:
here is the link:
http://www.skyfire.com/product/blog
so we have to wait a bit longer.
but i think we will survive it
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thank you, i missed that part
did you tried netfront browser version 3.5 its great app for browsing on mobile phones, it is much better the opera beta and it has good functions too.
tomygunner said:
did you tried netfront browser version 3.5 its great app for browsing on mobile phones, it is much better the opera beta and it has good functions too.
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But it doesn't do YouTube
I don't live in the US but I did sign up for the beta
just entered a dummy mobile number and when the email was send they provided a download link which I was able to use..
Believe me it's worth the wait (this kicks opera mini in the nuts
Picsel Browser
You might want to look up Picsel browser, it's the best I've used so far.
fnordelus said:
You might want to look up Picsel browser, it's the best I've used so far.
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Didn't work for me (MDA Vario3) Netfront is the closest to SkyFire
(without the YouTube)
It is much more stable and can play flash 10 !
get.skyfire.com point that on on opera/IE or w/e
It seems it does not work with the T-mobile proxy plan for those who are wondering. I just tried it . It does seem to start up faster with my Herald.
Can someone tell me the SHA or MD5 hash for this file? It only seem to be getting the same file I got several days ago.
Cool thanks for the heads up, installed and ran good on my TP
lotion said:
Can someone tell me the SHA or MD5 hash for this file? It only seem to be getting the same file I got several days ago.
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223F7654C00BE4D9845B9D53AAD7CBDC *Skyfire-PPC.CAB is MD5 i got
does it require registeration?
ranasrule said:
does it require registeration?
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Newp is does not far as i know
ranasrule said:
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Confirmed.
I just downloaded & installed. No reg required.
I still like Iris better for typical website rendering. Skyfire is a bit slow
would the installation of this version delete my currant favs?
Still no VGA rendering. Still sucks on VGA devices.
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It seems it does not work with the T-mobile proxy plan for those who are wondering. I just tried it . It does seem to start up faster with my Herald.
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Skyfire itself uses a proxy, so its highly unlikely it will ever be compatible with another proxy.
Somekind of proxy... It's rendering sites on external server intead of device.
And the redering is slow for me. Uninstalled.
Works pretty fast and good for me. Thanks for pointing out the update.
It is finally getting close to the hype
I was excited when Skyfire was first released, but found that the simple things like text entry made it too much of a hassle to use compared to Iris. I see that now many of those shortcomings have been overcome. I'll still use Iris as my primary browser ( I love that most sites show me the "Iphone" version of their site ) but I'll be keeping Skyfire around this time at least for viewing flash sites. I was able to watch Hulu yesterday with Skyfire, and that was pretty cool. If thats all it was good for it would be a keeper.
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I was excited when Skyfire was first released, but found that the simple things like text entry made it too much of a hassle to use compared to Iris. I see that now many of those shortcomings have been overcome. I'll still use Iris as my primary browser ( I love that most sites show me the "Iphone" version of their site ) but I'll be keeping Skyfire around this time at least for viewing flash sites. I was able to watch Hulu yesterday with Skyfire, and that was pretty cool. If thats all it was good for it would be a keeper.
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+1. i dont need it to replace opera - just play video sites like hulu and thats good enough for me
does it still have problems with loading long pages and getting the bottom of them cut off?
Nice browser!
it is best browser i've seen - it requires some power, so do not be surprised with feeble htc units.
iris is ok, but no flash support, and its slower that it should at current state.
skyfire and opera mini - two things that good to have cooked into roms, imo.
416 mhz xscale is enough to handle skyfire.
loved skyfire the minute it came out, simply because of flash support and fast rendering of most sites.