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XDA II screen resolution

Two questions regarding the screen:
I have to say I find the XDA II screen pretty 'pixelated'... it's almost as if I would be able to count the hprizontal and vertical pixels (yes, I have ClearType turned on). Especially in MS Reader this is quite annoying... Is this as bad for you guys as well?
Some TOSHIBA PPCs support Landscape mode through a registry hack. Is there such a way for the XDA II as well?

farnold said:
I have to say I find the XDA II screen pretty 'pixelated'... it's almost as if I would be able to count the hprizontal and vertical pixels (yes, I have ClearType turned on). Especially in MS Reader this is quite annoying... Is this as bad for you guys as well?
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Compared to what? It's still 240x320, like the XDA before it. Looking at them both and comparing, I can sort of see what you mean though: the XDAII screen is so much brighter that you can see the edges of the pixels better than on the (rather dim) XDA. This added brightness makes everything easier to see though, and I consider it to be one of the biggest blessings of the XDAII.

X1 Screen, an advantage or a drawback ?

Dont get me wrong, i love the phone even if i have some issues.
after playing with the X1 for several days now i come to think if the 3inch WVGA screen really is a big advantage or a drawback.
Why?
Well, WVGA is a nice resolution but i think the screen is just a bit too small for it. It would work great on the Touch HD with its huge screen.
See comparision: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=128435&d=1226196066
When doing stuff in windows there are many situations when buttons etc are so damn small that you would even have trouble to exactly reach them with your stylus, let alone your finger. In Opera you can see alot more of the page with the high res, but you can hardly read anything without zooming, which i think wouldnt have to be done on the Touch HD.
In IE which doesnt support zooming, standard links are so small its hard to even hit them with the stylus.
Then we have the apps and games. Many of the games especially are made for VGA or QVGA and i dont think they will ever be ported to WVGA because the Aspect Ratio would just be wrong. So the games either dont run at all (Another World/Worms) or only use VGA res and leave the rest black (Age of Empires, Emulators) which again results into a very tiny viewport where its hard to read and hit anything.
Furthermore the screen is resessed, which i thought wouldnt bother me much, but cleaning up the dirt from the edges all the time is quite annoying...
So the final question comes to my mind: Is the 3inch WVGA screen really an advantage ? I dont know but i come to think it isnt.
Since my device has a hardware defect and is going back, i wonder if i should get a X1 again or maybe try the Touch Pro which has a slighty lower resoultion and 4:3 aspect ratio.
Given the shape of the device they couldnt have used another display size and resolution i guess, because to use VGA they would have to make the device wider, maybe thats a reason they used it.
What do you think ? Which real benefits does this screen have ?

I like it very much. I can read everything and get some more informations on the screen. For me it's not too small. The software I use works fine with wvga. Just in Worms World Party the edge is cut, but this doesn't bother me, I play very seldom. For Videos it's great, the black bars are now quite small so no wasted screenspace.

I have to say I have no problem reading anything when zoomed out and I don't have problems hitting buttons either. Links can be a bit of an issue in web pages but I would rather have a smaller device to be honest. I have to admit I have small hands and if I had big fingers I may well think otherwise!
The recessed screen is a bit of a shame but I will fit a screen protector and not worry about the dirt!
If I didn't want the keyboard then I would go with a touch HD. I didn't like the diamond at all and haven't had a chance to play with a touch pro yet.

i can also still read text when not zoomed in and hit the buttons...its not that i have bad eyes...
its just that i think the reading experience isnt really great...take for example the standard on screen keyboard, thats so small you even have to concetrate to hit it with the stylus.
On the Touch HD this resolution should work out great while surfing etc, but that doesnt have a keyboard :/
How should a Screen Protector keep the dirt away btw ? It will just be on the screen protector instead...still can go into the edges.
How did you get Worms to run ? With WVGA Fix ? Without it doesnt work for me.

toxical said:
How did you get Worms to run ? With WVGA Fix ? Without it doesnt work for me.
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Just installed and started it, no wvga fix or whatever.

hm will have to try that again then...which version did you use?
the viewport will be VGA however which would certainly be alot smaller than on the Touch Pro for example.

toxical said:
its just that i think the reading experience isnt really great...take for example the standard on screen keyboard, thats so small you even have to concetrate to hit it with the stylus.
How should a Screen Protector keep the dirt away btw ? It will just be on the screen protector instead...still can go into the edges.
How did you get Worms to run ? With WVGA Fix ? Without it doesnt work for me.
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I agree it is small but I have to say I don't mind... If you want to use a keyboard why wouldn't you use the slide out hardware one?
I use a matt protector and it doesn't show dirt as much as the shiny screen.
I was wondering about games, I will give worms a go
TBH I was 50:50 about xperia or Touch HD and decided I wanted to try a hardware keyboard. I am sure the HD is also a great device.

toxical said:
hm will have to try that again then...which version did you use?
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Worms WP 1.0.4

You are a business-user? Than nothing compares with the WVGA even at 3". You get much more things to be read than at VGA. Had a look at AgendaFusion? Much more to see at WVGA at one view. Less scrolling, better overview.
You are working with text/excel? With softmaker office you can see the overview of a complete wide of a page and are able to see details! Much easier than on VGA.
You have banking software as Subsembly Banking? Much more to see at one view too!
Contacts? Much more without scrolling.
There are lots of situations every day giving WVGA an advantage over VGA. 3" WVGA are better for business than 2,8" VGA. And 3,8" often ist too big to carry with yourself.
I am using WVGA for over one year now (with my Toshiba G900) and I would not change back to VGA.
And for daily use I have created my own theme with WisbarAdvancedDesktop2 that fits my needs, is fingerfriendly and running very fast. Nothing more needed

I like the screen size. It's a phone, not a laptop and I'm confident that new panel UIs will solve the problem of tiny buttons all over the place.
But recessing the screen was stupid. Don't know what they were thinking

Hd2 screen brightness

Do anyone feel the hd2 screen is not as bright and colorful as the touch pro 2?Am looking at both of them right now and the htc pro 2 looks brighter and colorful.

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Do anyone feel the hd2 screen is not as bright and colorful as the touch pro 2?Am looking at both of them right now and the htc pro 2 looks brighter and colorful.
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I know this is a stupidly obvious thing to ask, but have you messed with the backlight settings, or are you just talking about the default state?

On full brightness it seems good enough to me, certainly the default settings with auto-brightness determination leave it quite dark...

johncmolyneux said:
I know this is a stupidly obvious thing to ask, but have you messed with the backlight settings, or are you just talking about the default state?
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i have adjusted it to full brightness.Dont get me wrong the screen brightness and colour is satisfactory. but the touch pro 2 is brighter

I'm guessing that the Touch Pro 2 is pretty bright then, cos I'd say this is the same as my Touch Diamond and HD.
I'm sure some others with TP2s will have more constructive comments to make than me

i think the screen colours looks more natural than the touch pro 2

If you think the screen is bad compared to the TP2, then you should see how bad the colours look next to the Omnia II.
I do love that Samsung OLED screen.

sub69 said:
If you think the screen is bad compared to the TP2, then you should see how bad the colours look next to the Omnia II.
I do love that Samsung OLED screen.
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Am not saying the colour is bad.Am not sure anyone cares if u love the Samsung OLED screen.

sub69 said:
If you think the screen is bad compared to the TP2, then you should see how bad the colours look next to the Omnia II.
I do love that Samsung OLED screen.
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Today... but I'm still not convinced that they have the screen degradation issues sorted yet, so what is a great screen today could be a terrible one in a few months time with a horrid coloured tint to the screen.
Until they've got that sorted 100%, I'm happier staying with a screen I know will be as good at the end of my contract as it is today.

Screen size?

Hi.
I just want to know how people feel about screen size.
I know that they say ''the bigger the better'' but hey, we are still talking about a phone here.
So i say that the 4 inch X10 display is great and i think is the maximum i would like on my phone.
I was reading the other thread about the X10 and the Streak and saw this review with a video of the Streak (http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/06/dell-streak-review/ )
At the end of the video they show us how it fits your pants and how you look when talking on the phone.
I personaly think it is a bit odd.
So i would like to see how everybody feels about the screen size, aspect ratio and if you would like to see bigger displays on a phone.

I think 3.7 to 4.0" is ideal, any smaller, and my fingers can't press the right buttons lol.

To me the aspect ratio is more important, the 4" 16:9 display on the X10 is optimal imo.

4" 16:9 screen and some added borders by the phone itself is the limit for a phone in my opinion. Anything bigger I would see as a tablet computer.
Some say the X10 are too big. I'd say those saying that, are the small people with cute little hands.
I'm a rather big dude myself and I find the X10 fit perfectly into my hand and I can operate the phone onehanded, but I prefer one hand holding, the other pointing.

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4" 16:9 screen and some added borders by the phone itself is the limit for a phone in my opinion. Anything bigger I would see as a tablet computer.
Some say the X10 are too big. I'd say those saying that, are the small people with cute little hands.
I'm a rather big dude myself and I find the X10 fit perfectly into my hand and I can operate the phone onehanded, but I prefer one hand holding, the other pointing.
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I'm rather average guy, so average that they could probably use my hands to design stuff for "average-sized hands" and I find the the X10 to be perfect. No one I've encountered has any problems using the phone, except maybe dad but he's an old car mechanic and couldn't use a touchscreen if his life depended on it.

It's just right for me, using my Garmin Nuvi with a 5" screen for comparison, 4" is perfect. Phones are supposed to be "mobile" these days, anything bigger would be borderline pocket PC and just too much bulk in the pocket to be called a mobile.

for me it can be bigger a bit
4.5' should be the best for me
most important is the resolution need increase
previously there's a thread talking about resolution is good enough
but it's obviously losing when i compare to my x1

gaolinde said:
for me it can be bigger a bit
4.5' should be the best for me
most important is the resolution need increase
previously there's a thread talking about resolution is good enough
but it's obviously losing when i compare to my x1
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The X10 has a higher resolution than the X1 and has even slightly higher than most other phones.

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The X10 has a higher resolution than the X1 and has even slightly higher than most other phones.
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yes but as the screen on the x1 is so much smaller (3in), the pixel size is also reduced and as such it looks sharper. so if you cut off an inch of the x10s display, the x1 would have a higher res.
i.e. hd films on the x1 looked amazing. just small
same difference between a 1920x1080 17" laptop screen and 1920x1200 24" desktop screen. the 24" is higher res, but the laptop will look sharper.

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yes but as the screen on the x1 is so much smaller (3in), the pixel size is also reduced and as such it looks sharper. so if you cut off an inch of the x10s display, the x1 would have a higher res.
i.e. hd films on the x1 looked amazing. just small
same difference between a 1920x1080 17" laptop screen and 1920x1200 24" desktop screen. the 24" is higher res, but the laptop will look sharper.
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So what you really meant was that the X1 has a higher DPI. Yeah, that is a good point, but on the other hand the X10 display does more colours and the added size helps when reading text because you don't have to zoom in as much as with a smaller display to see it clearly. So there are good points and bad points to each, I prefer a bigger screen but YMMV.

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So what you really meant was that the X1 has a higher DPI. Yeah, that is a good point, but on the other hand the X10 display does more colours and the added size helps when reading text because you don't have to zoom in as much as with a smaller display to see it clearly. So there are good points and bad points to each, I prefer a bigger screen but YMMV.
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no i didnt mean dpi as it wasnt me who said the x1 had higher res in the first place (that was gaolinde), i just jumped in
but i also agree, i much prefer the x10s screen

james_2k said:
no i didnt mean dpi as it wasnt me who said the x1 had higher res in the first place (that was gaolinde), i just jumped in
but i also agree, i much prefer the x10s screen
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Heh, must've misread somewhere along the cross-fire. I'm blaming the 40C heat here.

haha ok it was me who said resolution.
anyway my point is in the "previous post" i mentioned many guys said very firmly that the DPI of X10 is good enough, any higher DPI won't make it different, and in the same thread people point out than x1 got the same DPI as iphone4.
but the fact is when you comparing it side by side you'll spot the different even your eye is 30cm away from the device.

gaolinde said:
haha ok it was me who said resolution.
anyway my point is in the "previous post" i mentioned many guys said very firmly that the DPI of X10 is good enough, any higher DPI won't make it different, and in the same thread people point out than x1 got the same DPI as iphone4.
but the fact is when you comparing it side by side you'll spot the different even your eye is 30cm away from the device.
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I'd say that's a valid point, "good enough" is just that. It's a phone ffs, it's not like you're spend spend hours staring at the screen or reading any longer books on it anyway. I have to look at the screen from about two or centimeters away to see any individual pixels or even notice any pixeling for that matter. For it's purpose it's more than good enough.
If I want to watch movies comfortably the screen has to be much, much bigger anyway and if you want to read a lot then you should get an e-ink display. For casual webbrowsing, making calls and listening to music this display is just fine.

yap it's good enough but can be better.
though it's not gonna happen in x10 hopefully for next SE flagship.
i am a SE fanboy with high expectations
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4" is ok.
4.3" or 4.5" would be better.
Bigger, no way.

All things considered I think 4 is great. 4.3 or 4.5 would be nicer but higher battery drain.
I guess a 4.5 AMOLED would still be better on the battery than a 4.0 LCD.

Antialiasing / "Cleartype" in Android

I notice that text looks a little rough on the Captivate and could use some antialiasing. Text looks smoother on my old iPod touch and that thing has a lower resolution!
Is anyone aware of a way to enable antialiasing in Android, global or otherwise?

dont hold your phone 3in from your face, go out to about 10in, problem solved..
I don see any aliased text, where are you seeing it?

The problem isn't really aliasing, it's the PenTile layout of the pixels.

designgears said:
dont hold your phone 3in from your face, go out to about 10in, problem solved..
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Nice condescending reply. Maybe you should try getting some glasses.

Can't use Cleartype-style technology on an LED.
That said, I can't see any pixels at normal viewing distance either, text is not quite as sharp as on iPhone4, but every bit as sharp (and with better contrast and more uniform lighting) as the excellent LCD on my Milestone (Droid).

It's the pentile matrix; I noticed it right away too, but it doesn't bother me too much. Hopefully someone makes a sort of ClearType for Android app.

It only looks bad when you zoom out on text (really small text). Imo text looks great on this device otherwise.
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