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Here's my problem. I'm trying to run uTorrent and everything is slooooow. I've noticed my IP address on my laptop as 192.168.0.102 and my external is very different. I think that is my problem, NAT or something. Is there any way to forward ports on the 8525 or to put myself into a DMZ like my home router?
I've searched and searched and maybe I'm just retarded, I suppose that could be the whole issue at hand. I also made sure that I'm logged into isp.cingular so that shouldn't be the issue at hand.
Hopefully someone can help me, thanks for the time.
Taylor.
1) Why would you want to run a torrent program over a mobile network. It would be really slow, especially compared to cable. Plus you're going to bog down the wireless network and probably end up getting your account suspended or end up with insane data charges for using so much data. I'm pretty sure it is against which ever provider's TOS you have that you can not use their network for that type of activity.
2) You have no control over port forwarding or anything of that nature. Your phone's data connection is behind your provider's "main" access point. They control the ports and how the internal addressing works.
torrents
GldRush98 said:
1) Why would you want to run a torrent program over a mobile network. It would be really slow, especially compared to cable. Plus you're going to bog down the wireless network and probably end up getting your account suspended or end up with insane data charges for using so much data. I'm pretty sure it is against which ever provider's TOS you have that you can not use their network for that type of activity.
It is..it specifically states the use of file sharing or P2P apps is not allowed... they dont even allow you to tether without a laptop connect plan..you think theyre gonna let you get away with running a torrent app for long before your account gets flagged?
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Well just for the sake of information then I'll post what I tried and found out. I downloaded the 9/21/06 rom from the wiki and reflashed it so I could try Wireless Modem again instead of Internet Sharing and guess what...
Internet Sharing gives an internal IP of 192.168.0.102
Wireless Modem gives an internal IP that matches my external IP but still does not allow incoming connections.
So Internet Sharing does give the internal IP NOT my provider.
To respond about the tethering, I'm not getting the laptop connect plan because then I wouldn't be able to browse on my phone, hence negating the whole damn reason that I bought my 8525, so I can browse the internet while sitting in parking lots waiting on calls. My home cable connection costs what I pay a month for internet access on my phone you better believe I'll use it the same way.
Taylor.
PS A moderator is more than welcome to close this now as my original question has been answered by me. Thanks.
TaylorSPL said:
Well just for the sake of information then I'll post what I tried and found out. I downloaded the 9/21/06 rom from the wiki and reflashed it so I could try Wireless Modem again instead of Internet Sharing and guess what...
Internet Sharing gives an internal IP of 192.168.0.102
Wireless Modem gives an internal IP that matches my external IP but still does not allow incoming connections.
So Internet Sharing does give the internal IP NOT my provider.
To respond about the tethering, I'm not getting the laptop connect plan because then I wouldn't be able to browse on my phone, hence negating the whole damn reason that I bought my 8525, so I can browse the internet while sitting in parking lots waiting on calls. My home cable connection costs what I pay a month for internet access on my phone you better believe I'll use it the same way.
Taylor.
PS A moderator is more than welcome to close this now as my original question has been answered by me. Thanks.
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I have the same issue with the 192.168.0.102 and it sets default gateway to 192.168.0.1. This never happend with the other rom and it kills my local network because it's 192.168.0.0:255.255.255.0.
Also on the tether speed being slow! I am getting about 800-900 k, I don't call that slow and my plan is unlimited and is no longer available so I can't change anything or I loose it. I have downloaded many many gig and never flagged or cut off.
I would like to find out how to stay with the newer rom and internet sharing and just change what IP's it uses rather than change my whole network config.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Torrenting on the 8525
I just got my 8525 and I just started to try and torrent on the network. Is your unlimited data plan with AT&T\Cingular? Just curious as I was also concerned about the ramifications.
Anyone else having trouble with att tilt vpn over edge? I've had several smartphones in the past, the last being tmobile wing, and have never had any problems creating a vpn connection with url exceptions. With this new tilt it seems like I can connect the vpn only over wifi, it does not attempt to connect to the vpn when just using edge. I've reset the device several times both with and without the att customization.
Any ideas for this problem would be appreciated.
Thanks,
-J
TILT VPN Connection problems
I have been trying to make VPN connections over EDGE and 3G also. I find that the connection does get made if I connect manually, but as soon as I try to access something through IE, RD or Opera, it drops the connection. I have seen the connection maintained for up to a minute, but I cannot access anything.
I called ATT yesterday early afternoon. At that point the CSR was a proxy for the tech dept and told me to call HTC. I contacted HTC tech support and they were convinced it was an att softwae problem since the url exceptions worked correctly over wifi.
I called back ATT last night, got a csr who xfer me to a tech rep. He walked through the steps and provisioned isp.cingular apn to see if that would work. It did not. He then sent me to advanced network services where I got someone who definately was either not having a good night or had no intention of actually working that night. After his xfer to a bad extension, I called back to a csr, who then semi-understood the situation ( she was actually excellent help at the time for not being a tech person ) She put me with another advanced network services tech ( the first time she called advanced tech services she was hungup on by the same "Steve" I had encounted a few minutes earlier. Nice work Steve) who walked through the settings a few times, and then suggested I try another tilt at an att store.
Unfortunately it seems as though noone I've talked to yet has a grasp on url exceptions or what a vpn is? Noone from ATT or HTC seems to understand that its the software that's not trying to even attempt to connect to the vpn. I would be fine if it was my problem, vpn wise. I'm sure they're just doing their jobs but it's a little frustrating to pay $550 for a phone to have it no do something your other htc phone was doing last week. Anyways thats where I'm at now. I will try to go to an att store tonight and see if it works on another phone. I'm curious to know if anyone with the regular kaiser ( with the front camera ) is having a similar problem.
-J
Round 1
I called ATT yesterday early afternoon. At that point the CSR was a proxy for the tech dept and told me to call HTC. I contacted HTC tech support and they were convinced it was an att softwae problem since the url exceptions worked correctly over wifi.
I called back ATT last night, got a csr who xfer me to a tech rep. He walked through the steps and provisioned isp.cingular apn to see if that would work. It did not. He then sent me to advanced network services where I got someone who definately was either not having a good night or had no intention of actually working that night. After his xfer to a bad extension, I called back to a csr, who then semi-understood the situation ( she was actually excellent help at the time for not being a tech person ) She put me with another advanced network services tech ( the first time she called advanced tech services she was hungup on by the same "Steve" I had encounted a few minutes earlier. Nice work Steve) who walked through the settings a few times, and then suggested I try another tilt at an att store.
Unfortunately it seems as though noone I've talked to yet has a grasp on url exceptions or what a vpn is? Noone from ATT or HTC seems to understand that its the software that's not trying to even attempt to connect to the vpn. I would be fine if it was my problem, vpn wise. I'm sure they're just doing their jobs but it's a little frustrating to pay $550 for a phone to have it no do something your other htc phone was doing last week. Anyways thats where I'm at now. I will try to go to an att store tonight and see if it works on another phone. I'm curious to know if anyone with the regular kaiser ( with the front camera ) is having a similar problem.
-J
Sorry for that last double post. I did go back to the att kiosk again today and tried another tilt, which had the same results. I decided to return the one I had purchased and think i may try the regular htc kaiser with the front camera.
If anyone can verify that that version of phone works with pptp, that would be great.
From your last message I tried a few other things and I too was able to manually connect ( even get a prompt for login credentials to the vpn ) however the IE still will not try to connet with the url exception or keep the vpn connection open after IE is opened.
It's sad to think the att tilt is not working in thie regard. It takes away quite a bit of functionality for those who do use the vpn feature.
-J
PIE will "ignore" exceptions for work connection using EDGE
I see similar problem with 8525 at&t WM 5.0 device (HTC Hermes) exact version Microsoft ® Windows Mobile™ Version 5.0 with the Messaging and Security Feature Pack. 5.0 OS 5.1.478 (Build 15706.3.5.2)
PIE will "ignore" exceptions for work connection using EDGE. However other applications like “ActiveSync” and “Terminal Service Client” work properly.
If Wi-Fi connection used for Internet, PIE as well works properly.
FYI on previous device 8525 Cingular
Microsoft ® Windows Mobile™ Version 5.0 OS 5.1.195 (Build 14955.2.3.0)
work exceptions works with PIE
it continues...
I ordered htc kaiser, had it shipped opened it, configured, and the results were.....
it would use work exceptions as it should, dialing the vpn when using PIE and calling trying to access a host in the exceptions list.
It did not however want to connect to the host even after establishing a connection with the vpn server.
I dont know why, but I thought of checking the ip address with PocketLan on the gprs interface. The ip address was a 10.x.x.x but the kicker was the subnet mask using 255.0.0.0. That may cause a problem with routing as my vpn tunnel is not a full 10/8 but still a 10/16. Anyway I decided to try the online tech chat and spoke with "Marcus"
I asked if there had been any changes in the last month or so on as far as ip address scopes using wap.cingular He said yes. I'm still not sure if that was actually the case or not . I went ahead and upgraded to the pda connect unlimited to use the isp.cingular, as the "pda personal max" just uses wap.cingular.
I had to connect several times with the isp.cingular to have the connection get a public ip address rather than a nat'd 10.x.x.x. It DOES now work properly with url exceptions, connecting the vpn, the whole ball of wax with isp.cingular
Unfortunately I had already returned the ATT Tilt so I dont have any way to test if it was the att software causing it or not. If anyone would like to let me borrow one for a few days we can do that
I am going to test with another vpn connection using a 192.168 or 172.16 etc. ip scope and see if it works with wap.cingular getting a 10.x.x.x address.
Anyways, thats it for now. I'll post again after the vpn test with the different scope.
Thanks,
-J
Today I setup a vpn server with a 192.168.x.x scope. Using wap.cingular i was able to connect to the vpn and hosts within the vpn.
I tried again to connect to the 10.x.x.x vpn and try to edit the routing table using the PocketLan but each time I try to edit something it returns an error.
I'll have to try to find another utility or see if there a way to edit the routing table.
I'm hoping theres a way to change the default route for the 10.x network.
Here's some of the info when connecting over a wap.cingular connection
ip: 10.67.x.x
gateway: 10.67.x.x ( same as ip address )
subnet mask: 255.0.0.0/8
DNS: 66.209.10.201, 66.102.163.231
WINS: 10.11.12.13, 10.11.12.14 ( kind of hard to imagine any reason for wins entries? 10-11-12-13 seems like they may just be fake address. I dont know how window mobile does it's resolution, but that doesnt seem like it would be in the customers interest to be pointed to non-existant wins, if thats what they are. This may just be place holder entries for the PocketLAN software?)
Here's some of the info when connecting over a isp.cingular connection
ip: 166.128.x.x
gateway: 166.128.x.x ( same as ip address )
subnet mask: 255.255.0.0/16
DNS: 209.183.48.11, 208.183.48.10
WINS: 10.11.12.13, 10.11.12.14 ( same comments as before )
See Arin Whois for this netblock
OrgName: Service Provider Corporation
OrgID: SPC-10
Address: 442 Route 202-206 North
Address: # 485
City: Bedminster
StateProv: NJ
PostalCode: 07921-0523
Country: US
NetRange: 166.128.0.0 - 166.255.255.255
CIDR: 166.128.0.0/9
NetName: NETBLK-CDPD-B
NetHandle: NET-166-128-0-0-1
Parent: NET-166-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment
NameServer: NS1.WIRELESSDATASPCO.ORG
NameServer: NS.CDPDSPCO.ORG
Comment:
RegDate: 1993-07-09
Updated: 2005-01-07
RTechHandle: WDSPC-ARIN
RTechName: WDSPCo Helpdesk
RTechPhone: +1-215-489-7599
RTechEmail: [email protected]
OrgTechHandle: WDSPC-ARIN
OrgTechName: WDSPCo Helpdesk
OrgTechPhone: +1-215-489-7599
OrgTechEmail: [email protected]
# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-11-02 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
I just thought of testing tracreroutes form both isp and wap.cingular. It does then show the problem with the ip information when trying to route.
When using the tilt though at first, none of this seemed possible at the time ( as I thought I was going a little nuts ) since the url exceptions never seem to attempt to connect to the vpn at all. As if the exceptions were ignored when using anything except WIFI.
Thats it for now. Post something new later.
-J
jakedahs,
Very informative. Looks like its' been a few weeks. New insights?
Best,
Things are still working good with the kaiser and the isp.cingular. I haven't come across another ATT Tilt again to test it out again. Any other things you can think to test to put on this forum?
Thanks,
-J
LOL! I'm so far behind, I don't have a clue.
Tilt and VPN PPTP
jakedahs said:
I called ATT yesterday early afternoon. At that point the CSR was a proxy for the tech dept and told me to call HTC. I contacted HTC tech support and they were convinced it was an att softwae problem since the url exceptions worked correctly over wifi.
I called back ATT last night, got a csr who xfer me to a tech rep. He walked through the steps and provisioned isp.cingular apn to see if that would work. It did not. He then sent me to advanced network services where I got someone who definately was either not having a good night or had no intention of actually working that night. After his xfer to a bad extension, I called back to a csr, who then semi-understood the situation ( she was actually excellent help at the time for not being a tech person ) She put me with another advanced network services tech ( the first time she called advanced tech services she was hungup on by the same "Steve" I had encounted a few minutes earlier. Nice work Steve) who walked through the settings a few times, and then suggested I try another tilt at an att store.
Unfortunately it seems as though noone I've talked to yet has a grasp on url exceptions or what a vpn is? Noone from ATT or HTC seems to understand that its the software that's not trying to even attempt to connect to the vpn. I would be fine if it was my problem, vpn wise. I'm sure they're just doing their jobs but it's a little frustrating to pay $550 for a phone to have it no do something your other htc phone was doing last week. Anyways thats where I'm at now. I will try to go to an att store tonight and see if it works on another phone. I'm curious to know if anyone with the regular kaiser ( with the front camera ) is having a similar problem.
-J
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I too am having issues with my Tilt and VPN. So when I got the Tilt 10 days ago, I had a blackberry 8300 (Curve), when i left the store they had me on the same BlackBerry Data plan. The VPN worked fine - Perfectly in fact. A few days later when I questioned why I was still using a blackberry plan the CSR at AT&T said I should be on a PDA data plan and changed my service. After that the VPN stopped working. I contacted AT&T chat support and also called their complex data device support department and after changing a bunch of settings on the phone they finally gave up and said they could not support the VPN option. Nice Huh?
When I get home I am going to try connecting over WiFi and trying the VPN. This should tell me if the routing / VPN issue is related to traffic over AT&T or if there is something wrong with the phone.
Additionally, when the VPN worked it used to show a " balloon status " telling me VPN was connecting. Now it no longer does that. Even if I do force the VPN to connect and then try to use the connection is disconnects immediately.
I'm guessing you're going to have the same result. If you'd like we can run through some tests using different scopes of vpn's. I'd be interested in trying the tilt again since I know the kaiser I have works ok and I'm not crazy
VPN
jakedahs said:
I'm guessing you're going to have the same result. If you'd like we can run through some tests using different scopes of vpn's. I'd be interested in trying the tilt again since I know the kaiser I have works ok and I'm not crazy
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What kind of tests were you thinking?
wap.cingular - isp.cingular / netowrk settings
jakedahs said:
I ordered htc kaiser, had it shipped opened it, configured, and the results were.....
it would use work exceptions as it should, dialing the vpn when using PIE and calling trying to access a host in the exceptions list.
It did not however want to connect to the host even after establishing a connection with the vpn server.
I dont know why, but I thought of checking the ip address with PocketLan on the gprs interface. The ip address was a 10.x.x.x but the kicker was the subnet mask using 255.0.0.0. That may cause a problem with routing as my vpn tunnel is not a full 10/8 but still a 10/16. Anyway I decided to try the online tech chat and spoke with "Marcus"
I asked if there had been any changes in the last month or so on as far as ip address scopes using wap.cingular He said yes. I'm still not sure if that was actually the case or not . I went ahead and upgraded to the pda connect unlimited to use the isp.cingular, as the "pda personal max" just uses wap.cingular.
I had to connect several times with the isp.cingular to have the connection get a public ip address rather than a nat'd 10.x.x.x. It DOES now work properly with url exceptions, connecting the vpn, the whole ball of wax with isp.cingular
Unfortunately I had already returned the ATT Tilt so I dont have any way to test if it was the att software causing it or not. If anyone would like to let me borrow one for a few days we can do that
I am going to test with another vpn connection using a 192.168 or 172.16 etc. ip scope and see if it works with wap.cingular getting a 10.x.x.x address.
Anyways, thats it for now. I'll post again after the vpn test with the different scope.
Thanks,
-J
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Since they had me change my plan and settings around I called and confirmed that I now have the PDA Connect Unlimited plan. However, in the phone's connection settings what should the two network and subsequent individual network setting be? Mine was set to Media Net and Media Net.
I tried setting it to ATT ISP but it still did not work.
I just use isp.cingular all the time. Have you created work url exceptions for your vpn connection? The problem I was having when I had the tilt is even though I had the exceptions it would never attempt to dial the vpn when going to a web site on the vpn network. I'm thinking it may have been ATT that cripled the phone somewhat. The regular HTC Kaiser I have now works fine.
VPN - TILT
So I confirmed that if I use my WiFi connection the VPN works perfectly.
There is some issue with routing over AT&T data network. I tried chatting with their online chat support and they could not give me the settings I needed. It was clearly beyond their scope of knowledge. I will try calling their complex data support department to see if I can get the right settings.
How can a company offer data services and not understand their own network?
Vpn - Tilt - Settings
I found this posting at the cingular.com forum.
Since I need to call tomorrow to confirm my provisioning and my data plan subscription I cannot tell if they will work but I thought I would make the info public.
Here's what I've done to VPN using L2TP successfully... (someone else)
- Have PDA Unlimited Plan
- Call to have your account "provisioned" to use isp.cingular
- Create a new connection using the isp.cingular settings
- Configure device to always use that connection
- Create a new VPN connection
- Import appropriate certificates (if necessary)
- Disable (preferably remove) Proxy settings in Registry
- Create an Exception list for Intranet addresses
- Configure device networks to use isp.cingular for Internet access and vpn for 'Your Work/Intranet' network
One thing I have noticed is that if I let the device connect automagically to VPN, it will disconnect after a short period of inactivity. If I manually/force connect to VPN, it stays that way until I disconnect session.
I can connect either via 3G or Edge with no issues/problems.
VPN Access over anything on the tilt would be nice
I am unable to either one of my 2 vpn's using any connection configuration. I It seems like it wants to connect but then gives me an error msg telling me to check username and password.
Can anyone shed anylite what I'm doing wrong?
Tilt Vpn over Edge
With a little patience i figured it out! if you connect to your VPN first and then go to IE it will disconnect you. But if you go to IE, Opera, whatever first and then go to the address that you have in your exception list the tilt will connect to MediaNet and then connect to your VPN server and work!
I have a Sprint Mogul and basically hate it because it's slow and poorly designed. So I switched to the Treo 700wx and like it a lot better (or at least as much as anyone can really "like" Windows Mobile).
Rant aside, I have the Mogul still and have been trying to set it to simply access the net via WiFi, but it just is showing me no love. I can see and connect to my access point fine (just as I could back when I did have a cell plan for it). But when I try to hit a page with PIE, it tries to connect to the Sprint network. I've tried deleting the Sprint connection out of the network settings as well as unchecking the "This network connects to the internet" box. But it doesn't prevent it from trying to connect to the cell towers instead of just using the WiFi.
Ideas?
Ensure you have the Wireless connection pointing to "The Internet". You should also run a ping test and ensure your router is handing out an IP via DHCP properly.
Taco Jackson said:
I have a Sprint Mogul and basically hate it because it's slow and poorly designed. So I switched to the Treo 700wx and like it a lot better (or at least as much as anyone can really "like" Windows Mobile).
Rant aside, I have the Mogul still and have been trying to set it to simply access the net via WiFi, but it just is showing me no love. I can see and connect to my access point fine (just as I could back when I did have a cell plan for it). But when I try to hit a page with PIE, it tries to connect to the Sprint network. I've tried deleting the Sprint connection out of the network settings as well as unchecking the "This network connects to the internet" box. But it doesn't prevent it from trying to connect to the cell towers instead of just using the WiFi.
Ideas?
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Frankly the phone is not really going to be appreciated (as it can be) by more basic PC user. Sounds like you want a more (pardon the expression) dumbed down version of PPC.
Instead of turning on wireless and then looking at available AP's... go into start/settings/connections tab/WiFi and try connecting from there... I noticed it to work better from there.
BTW... if you really start hating that thing... let me know and I will send you a pre-paid shipping box
veloslave said:
Frankly the phone is not really going to be appreciated (as it can be) by more basic PC user. Sounds like you want a more (pardon the expression) dumbed down version of PPC.
Instead of turning on wireless and then looking at available AP's... go into start/settings/connections tab/WiFi and try connecting from there... I noticed it to work better from there.
BTW... if you really start hating that thing... let me know and I will send you a pre-paid shipping box
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..and if you happen to forget to send the box... I'm right behind you and will happily take his poorly designed and slow Mogul.
so going to alaska to work for 3 months with my dad and brother. Brother says he cannot use his HTC HD2 up there with T-mobiles network so they will allow us to get unlock codes for them and then we will use AT&T's Unlimited talk and text but we would like to see if there is a way to use the Wifi on our phones to surf the web on either browsers. We would be doing small things like checking our email and bank accounts.
Any help would be appricatied
rlacsamana1989 said:
so going to alaska to work for 3 months with my dad and brother. Brother says he cannot use his HTC HD2 up there with T-mobiles network so they will allow us to get unlock codes for them and then we will use AT&T's Unlimited talk and text but we would like to see if there is a way to use the Wifi on our phones to surf the web on either browsers. We would be doing small things like checking our email and bank accounts.
Any help would be appricatied
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Absolutely, as long as you're within range of a wifi network that you have access to (i.e. one at your home/office or a public access point like starbucks, stc). You don't have to have a data plan to use the wifi, if that's what you're wondering
Another thing to remember if you have a nationwide plan with TMO using other towers is usually not a problem.
At home I use an AT&T tower about 30% of the time, I live in the boonies , so a nationwide plan has no roaming charges no matter who's tower you are using ...
watcher64 said:
Another thing to remember if you have a nationwide plan with TMO using other towers is usually not a problem.
At home I use an AT&T tower about 30% of the time, I live in the boonies , so a nationwide plan has no roaming charges no matter who's tower you are using ...
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haha I wish that it would even get a bit of service. Brother is already there and he says he can't even make a call without losing service. T-Mobile said they will suspend service for 3 months or how ever long it takes and will add it to our 2 year contract.
And so he trys using Wifi which the building he stays in has and when he goes into opera or internet explorer he gets an error, trying to find the error from him and will post. Does anybody know if their is settings that need to be changed. He is checking this by turning off the phone radio and only connecting to wifi. He does not want to be charged extra by AT&T, thanks for your help.
we do have custom roms on our HD2's. FYI
EDIT:Error for Opera Could not locate remote server
You tried to access the address http://www.htc.com/ which is currrently unavailable. Please make sure that the web address (URL) is correctly spelled and punctuated, then try reloading the page.
rlacsamana1989 said:
haha I wish that it would even get a bit of service. Brother is already there and he says he can't even make a call without losing service. T-Mobile said they will suspend service for 3 months or how ever long it takes and will add it to our 2 year contract.
And so he trys using Wifi which the building he stays in has and when he goes into opera or internet explorer he gets an error, trying to find the error from him and will post. Does anybody know if their is settings that need to be changed. He is checking this by turning off the phone radio and only connecting to wifi. He does not want to be charged extra by AT&T, thanks for your help.
we do have custom roms on our HD2's. FYI
EDIT:Error for Opera Could not locate remote server
You tried to access the address http://www.htc.com/ which is currrently unavailable. Please make sure that the web address (URL) is correctly spelled and punctuated, then try reloading the page.
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Sounds like the phone is not getting everything it needs from the access point, some type of misconfiguration, needs to make sure he is getting and IP address , gateway and DNS servers .... should browse over wifi without using the phone radio with no problem, do it all the time at home ...
But if you are just going to be web browsing, turning off the phone radio does save some battery ...
watcher64 said:
Sounds like the phone is not getting everything it needs from the access point, some type of misconfiguration, needs to make sure he is getting and IP address , gateway and DNS servers .... should browse over wifi without using the phone radio with no problem, do it all the time at home ...
But if you are just going to be web browsing, turning off the phone radio does save some battery ...
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So I basically found out that the network adapters were set to manual config and I should set them to automatic. Which I did and was able to connect to recieve my mail and go on the web via wifi with radio turned off but this is at my home which is my belkin.
I then tried calling him and having him set it up (he's not so tech savy) and he was connected to linksys and it still gave him the errors, He is going to the office of the company he works for to see if he can get the password for the other wifi network that is on the list. He sees people on their laptops browsing internet. So maybe i'll just buy a little Netbook for going up there.
Thanks for all your help you guys.
Well yesterday I was tethering like i've done every day on my device and I kept getting redirected to a tmobile webpage telling me to pay an extra $15 per month for tethering.
My T989 Sgsii is using CM7 and there is no tmobile tethering software on the device. Is anyone else able to tether? Im on a prepaid contract have have tethered every day for free since last december.
Im guessing tmobile is blocking my tethering on the network end, since all blocking/tethering management software has been removed from my phone.
Any advice? If i cant tether, i cant use up all 5 gigs i pay for, so ill probably get a cheaper plan or switch to straight talk.
Seems like we have the same problem?
I made a post on the Nexus One forum aswell.
zeus_chingon said:
Seems like we have the same problem?
I made a post on the Nexus One forum aswell.
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Yup. Looks like we both have the same problem.
Tmobile must be somehow able to detect when my computer tries to hop on their network and blocks it.
Can anyone else who uses tmobile comment on this?
They're mainly catching you by looking at the headers of your http traffic, and assuming that http requests with desktop browser strings are coming from tethered PCs. If you change them to spoof Android's browser, T-mo can't tell the difference.
They could probe more deeply if they wanted to, but as a practical matter, they don't. If they blindly dip the net into the stream and just look for http traffic with desktop-browser identities, they can effortlessly catch 99% of the people who tether.
If you really want to hide your tethering from them, just subscribe to a PPTP VPN service like ibvpn.com. It's around $5/month (~$37 if you pay for the whole year up front), it'll TOTALLY hide what you're doing from T-Mobile (because all they'll see is an encrypted bitstream), and also comes in handy for using a wi-fi tablet with public access points (the reason *I* subscribe).
Just be careful to make sure your network connection doesn't drop while you're tethered, because there doesn't seem to be any way to tell Android, "Establish this VPN whenever there's connectivity, and DO NOT send ANY data via ANY means besides the VPN". If your connection drops, the VPN will break, and if the phone reconnects to T-Mo a half second later, it'll just silently send all network traffic going forward straight through T-Mobile until you reconnect to the VPN.
bitbang3r said:
They're mainly catching you by looking at the headers of your http traffic, and assuming that http requests with desktop browser strings are coming from tethered PCs. If you change them to spoof Android's browser, T-mo can't tell the difference.
They could probe more deeply if they wanted to, but as a practical matter, they don't. If they blindly dip the net into the stream and just look for http traffic with desktop-browser identities, they can effortlessly catch 99% of the people who tether.
If you really want to hide your tethering from them, just subscribe to a PPTP VPN service like ibvpn.com. It's around $5/month (~$37 if you pay for the whole year up front), it'll TOTALLY hide what you're doing from T-Mobile (because all they'll see is an encrypted bitstream), and also comes in handy for using a wi-fi tablet with public access points (the reason *I* subscribe).
Just be careful to make sure your network connection doesn't drop while you're tethered, because there doesn't seem to be any way to tell Android, "Establish this VPN whenever there's connectivity, and DO NOT send ANY data via ANY means besides the VPN". If your connection drops, the VPN will break, and if the phone reconnects to T-Mo a half second later, it'll just silently send all network traffic going forward straight through T-Mobile until you reconnect to the VPN.
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best advice ive received so far - i was wondering how they were able to tell i was tethering. so i guess ill just need a browser that supports changing of the user agent? or is it more complicated to browser spoof?
I got the same message two days ago with a prepaid account on a CM9 exhibit ii
I'm not sure just changing the ua would help though because I'm getting the redirect on my android tablet as well, not just my laptop
The headers also give them an idea if more than one unit is being serviced, ie: hotspot. Encryption hides this as well. Bottom line? They will see tethering if they look for it.
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I just use Opera. It hasn't failed me yet.
I believe the tether detection works by looking at the TTL for packets. It would be more than it should be if the client is using the device as a gateway. Thing is HTTPS still works once you've been "blocked" as well a bunch of other protocols, so it looks like they are just setting a captive portal for port 80 traffic. That said, I have a Zentyal VPN set up at home on my 50mb/s line, so once tethered I VPN into my home machine which then resets my gateway on my laptop to be the gateway on the VPN machine at home. This redirects ALL traffic through the VPN effectively side stepping t-mobiles blocking altogether. So as long as they still allow any data connections over my data plan while tethering than I can access everything like normal. One positive side effect is that general browsing seems to be MUCH faster given that the traffic is really actually being downloaded from my home connection and being siphoned through the VPN rather than having the phone itself and t-mobiles crappy gateway doing all the work.
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Not to mention, everything is encrypted so t-mobile cant track any of my surfing habits either. I dont know about you all, but I tend to trust my ISP a little more than my wireless carrier.
So the issue has been solved.
I can tether on tmobiles network with no issues as long as i DONT use google chrome. Safari and Firefox access webpages no problem. Chrome has a user agent string which tmobile is able to see - and block by default on their network.
I'm on Tmobile w/ my Droid 3, stock OS. I tether once in a while, only use Chrome for browsing, and I've never gotten redirected.
--posted from my phone
EDIT: found another thread here with more posts:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26477722
5318008 said:
I'm on Tmobile w/ my Droid 3, stock OS. I tether once in a while, only use Chrome for browsing, and I've never gotten redirected.
--posted from my phone
EDIT: found another thread here with more posts:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26477722
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I was using chrome all day today. First half of the day it was fine (and every other time before this but I've only had them for less than a month), but then after I started pushing maybe a gig through netflix in addition to using chrome THEN chrome stopped working. Had to use a user agent extension to get chrome working again.
So it might be a trigger set off by data usage to THEN check for the user agent
colonelcack said:
I was using chrome all day today. First half of the day it was fine (and every other time before this but I've only had them for less than a month), but then after I started pushing maybe a gig through netflix in addition to using chrome THEN chrome stopped working. Had to use a user agent extension to get chrome working again.
So it might be a trigger set off by data usage to THEN check for the user agent
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Makes sense. TMobile doesn't appear to have refarmed Portland yet, so when I do tether, I don't end up using that much data, what with being stuck on 2G and all.
Please look at my post regarding T-mobile tethering
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26649587#post26649587
The methods employed by t-mobile to detect tethering are quite frivolous and an asinine move on their part. Their detection does not even work properly.
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fix for Tmobile blocking tethering with usb cable
To fix your issue just change your user agent in IE or Firefox. If you dont know how to do that just google change Useragent for IE or firefox.
Hopes this helps.
jordanishere said:
Well yesterday I was tethering like i've done every day on my device and I kept getting redirected to a tmobile webpage telling me to pay an extra $15 per month for tethering.
My T989 Sgsii is using CM7 and there is no tmobile tethering software on the device. Is anyone else able to tether? Im on a prepaid contract have have tethered every day for free since last december.
Im guessing tmobile is blocking my tethering on the network end, since all blocking/tethering management software has been removed from my phone.
Any advice? If i cant tether, i cant use up all 5 gigs i pay for, so ill probably get a cheaper plan or switch to straight talk.
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Firefox doesn't work either...
jordanishere said:
So the issue has been solved.
I can tether on tmobiles network with no issues as long as i DONT use google chrome. Safari and Firefox access webpages no problem. Chrome has a user agent string which tmobile is able to see - and block by default on their network.
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I'm going to try Safari, but they pounced on me when using Firefox.... :crying: