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I have been using the new XDAII for about three weeks or so and already I have experienced over 6 times critical crashes that caused the device to not even be able to restart after reseting. Even more troubling is that even when pressing the on/off button and hard reseting, the problem still cannot be solved. The only way I got around it is by actually removing the battery and letting it sit for a few minutes, put in the battery and then performing the hard reset. Of course, then I lose all data that was previously on the device. Right now, what I do is use the xBackup program to back everything to SD card and just wait for the device to crash. Then ultimately recovering. I can get around, but this is really quite annoying.
I have written to O2 about it and they said something about a radio version 10513A0, and that if this is the version (and it is), then I need to either register (which I did and wait for some upgrade), or send it in to O2 collection point for repairs. I really don't want to send it in because then I would have nothing to use (since its both phone and PDA). I just don't see why O2 could not just simply fork over the upgrade software. Also, I have experienced twice that the device would suddenly no longer be recognized by Activesync (newest version). It would automatically connect as GUEST and nothing could be done about it. No shuting down Activesync and restarting, or rebooting computer or/and xdaII, or even removing and reinstalling Activesync could solve the problem. Again, the only solution I have is to perform the infamous full reset, wipe out the whole xdaII and then everything works again.
Anyway, all of this is really killing me here, just wondering if anyone has experienced this kind of situation and maybe have some advise.
By the way, the Bluespoon Digital seems to work fine with the XDAII although sometimes it does crash and a pairing must be done again, but definitely not like the Jabra 200 problem.
I had the same sort of problems with my first XDA-2 and as time pasee the problems got worse, So i returned it to o2 and got another one, same software and hardware versions, but this time with no real problems
John
XDA II Critical Crash
I have had the exact same problems as you experienced and was about to throw that gadget out the window... but then
Following advice received from an XDA II owner I tried the following:
I hit soft reset each time upon seeing the red text in the lower right corner 5 consecutive times. Then I waited and my XDA II came back to life effectively performing a soft reset rather than having to do a hard reset. Fascinating, let's see whether you have as much success !!!!
Thanks for the tip... I'll try it next time it happens again! However, I'm still wondering about the ROM v 1.06 and that Radio software upgrade. Thanks!
I'm also finding the XDAII needs a hard reset more often than the XDAI (although fewer soft resets). Had to do it twice last night, very annoying. Interesting tip about the soft reset at the boot screen, will give that a try next time.
O2 really should do something about it!
Ya, I totally agree. All this reseting and crashing and recovering is really not acceptable. The product features are definitely good and they did make some improvements, but this kind of quality is a definite downgrade. Even O2 admits that if your radio number is 10513A0 then you should send it in to a collection point for a software upgrade. They also insisted on registering which I did, but I just don't understand why they could not just simply post a downloadable software upgrade or ROM upgrade so that we don't have to be without a device. After all, we are talking about something that is both your PHONE and your PDA.
The ROM upgrade is definately necessary. I sent mine in and after that, no hangs whatsoever. No more hard/soft resets at all either. :lol:
if only it was so easy
I would have sent it in, but since I am traveling and don't live in HK, there is just no way to send it in. Besides, it takes about a week, which means nothing to use during the time. O2 really should be more considerate about this. If this was just a functionality upgrade or a boost in bells and whistles, waiting is reasonable. However, we are talking about crippling disfunctionality in a US$800+ device, they should atleast have the sense to post a fix to solve the problem. I heard something will be released in January, I wonder if this is confirmed. I am really sick of waiting. After all, MDA and T-Mobile supposedly already have something out. If they don't do something soon, I would really reconsider anything from O2 next time.
I have experient the same problem on my XDAII, and after 7 times hardreset during 14 days business trip in USA. I send it back to O2 and wait for the solution(already 1 week pass). And even a hardreset sometime could hardly be reached. You need to try 6-10 times. I think it should be a hardware problem because I acutrally upgrade my rom to a newer one(and not the english version), and after two days, I lost my phone function again. I have faced the same problem on my older PPC phone once(LENOVO ET180) and after I send it back to the vendor, they said the mainboard has failure, need to be replaced. After doing so, it works 6 months without a hardreset. I saw the same issue on PPCSG and PCCW.net, they all send their PDA+Phone back to the service. I think you better do it now as maybe there is no a ROM upgrade could solve the problem.
Goog luck. and if without those issues, it is really a perfect PDA+Phone. I love it. When I faced those ****, the only thing I could think is to buy another XDAII
I've the same problem
I've tried your tip to restart my Mda2 with XDA2 rom, and it works!!!!!!!!!!
Now I'm looking for a new Rom upgrade to change my radio version...
Still I think it's the solution and not to replace the radio hardware...
Cant Trust My XDA II
Well it's now Dec 2004 and I ALSO have the same problem.
I've only had my XDA II a couple of months and already I'm quickly loosing my patience with it!!
It crashes at least TWICE a week causing me major headaches.
If I was abroad and it did this I would be in severe trouble.
I brought this as a business tool and I'm afraid it is to unreliable to place
my trust in...
I have the latest ROM update installed
I can ill afford to send it in because it holds my customer base,
day to day stuff, Navigator and many other stuff I use on a daily basis.
"O2, what can you do for me?"
Topdog38uk, what software have you installed - especially any today plugins?
rgds,
Alex.
sigh... i haven't had such a problem since i bought it..... till i update the new rom from O2 uk site... now i feel like throwing to on the ground lolz. anyway i just installed WM2003 SE upgrade mysterman from the forum and 1 crash so far.... :roll:
Hi again,
so i recently fixed my keyboard issue and to lighten up darkness: it was not a software-issue.
after playing with the thought of returning the phone to tmobile, i flashed the "new official" tmobile-DE rom, and the tmobile service center told me, that this would void my warranty because the rom hasn't been downloaded from the offical tmobile-DE website... so i discarded the option of returning the phone in the next few month
toda i woke up and retried my hardware-keyboard on the vario 2, i recognized something which was: the reason for the vario dropping so much keypresses, was a bad contactivity... i mean: i can hear the key i press "clicking" but no char appeared on the screen... so i disassembled the vario 2 todays morning, and searched for a way to fix this, a way to give the keyboard a better fitting, or somewhat like that. the difficultest thing was to remove the "void"-label without tearing it... took me about 15 minutes to remove this damn label, but it remained intact
after that, i systematically disassembled the phone, and i did the following things to the keyboard-parts:
removed the white label which was on the "contact-side" of the keyboard-circuit
realligned this label and put it back on the circuit
then i put the keys and the circuit back into the housing, and got a piece of paper
i cut this to be as long an high as the circuit itself is, and put 3 of those paper-sheets onto the back of the keyboard-circuit, then fixed the 3 sheets a little with the flex-cable connecting the keyboard to the main-circuit.
then put the phone back together an tested it
my keyboards working like a charm right now, i'm so happy that my phones completely working again, without returning it
i thought this might help someone who has got same problems, perhaps my keyboard got this malfunction after the first drop, i do not remember when this problem occured the first time, and actually... i don't have to anymore
greetings from germany
garfield
this is the orignal post said:
hellow to all
so i'm using my hermes (MDA Vario II) for as much as two months now.
I dropped it two times, first time 20cm onto carpet, second time 40cm onto the street -.-
but as far as i can see, not much damage, some scratches, nothing to worry about.
since i have this phone, i flashed several roms onto it. Black/Faria/Schaps/t-mobile_shipped/dopod wm6/black wm6 final/and many others... even some of my own roms got tested in there
i wasn't able to test the shipped status for very long, because i flashed the first custom rom about five days after hardware-arrival
the one thing driving me insane at the moment is the f**king hardware-keyboard. sometimes the "red dot" (for the second assignment of the keys) gets locked, without me wanting this. or i press "space" and nothing happens, or even worse, it adds some crazy special symbols to my sms wich then extends to four or more sms...
the e and w keys sometimes do not respond, and worst case ever had: keyboards gets fully locked up... had to soft-reset.
during the testing of the many custom roms, which were pre-finals, (in contrast to wm6-release versions), i thought: "yes everythings working, and the keyboard driver is producing crap". but even with the dopod rom (wm6) now active on my hermes, i have problems described above.
may it be the 1.50 radio? should i go back to 1.47?
or is it an hardware issue? should i return the phone to my loval mobilcom-store?
its driving me insane, i have to recheck every word two times... and i have to correct many things... actually i'm typing very fast, and this lowers my typing speed by, lets say 2000%
looking forward to hear your ideas,
will be grateful for every idea, which gets me some closer to a solution...
greetings
and keep up all your good work
garfield
(sorry for typing bad english (if i did so), at least im german)
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There can be software issues that cause freezing and perhaps laggy behaviour on the keyboard. However, from what you describe, I tend to think it's primarily a hardware issue. (Possibly made worse or even more annoying by software slow downs for unrelated reasons.
If having used different ROMs, key behaviour is still largely the same (eg the same keys respond poorly or require harder presses) then I suggest you have the not uncommon hardware keyboard issue:
Keyboard dismantling pics:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319315&page=2
If changing ROMs leads to varying issues with the key board, but the behaviour of the keys changes ie different keys cause problems then it could either be software or the keyboard ribbon cable is poorly connected.
Mike
thanks for the link,
actually i thought about disassembling my hermes, but then again thought about warranty because its just 2 months of age...
i'll test the keys some more, especially the space, e, w, and "reddot" seem malfunctional... will keep an eye on the keys, and if original WM5 rom does not help, i will reflash the phone to factory default, and return the phone to my nearest store... they will have a solution and if it will be a replacement i'll be happy with it either
greetings
garfield
hi @ all...
sorry for digging this thread out
but recently i recognized my keyboard to be malfunctional again.
with "again" i mean, i thought it worked quite good for some time (lets say a month or so) but for some tome now, i assume 3weeks now, my keyboard throws the same annoying malfuntions as it had done the time i opened this thread. perhaps i ignored them for a while, so i haven't recognized the malfunction, but maybe my phone was really "cured" for some time.
Note: i've been running on the official dopod wm6 rom all the time since i opened this thread. WM% and WM5 original didn't help me, so i decided to stick to WM6. i've just tried 3 different roms, and two pandora self-cooked-roms in the last hour, and tested my keybard very much.
but it seems to be faulty... it lags some keys (in fact "reddot", e, w, space, colon (as a result of the reddot hang) and sometimes i get the "reddot" locked with only pressing it a single time. three words later i recognize that i am writing crap
so... any remainig ideas? or should i return it back to t-mobile?
i tried wm5/6 several roms
also tried various radios, at the moment running on 1.54...
if i want to return it, what do i have to look out for? should i flash it back to original t_mob_101_shipped_rom? and should i restore the original SPL?
i've simunlocked the phone... but did'nt SUPERCID it... always used the Hard-SPL 2.10. Is there any way to bring my phone into a state in which it would be possible and safe to return it?
greetings
garfield
fixed my problem (see first post)
Hello everyone,
Lately I'm having a lot of issues with my HTC TyTN while in the past I didn't have any. I believe they all started when I upgraded to WM6, but the thing is I don't want to downgrade. However, what makes me think twice about it is the fact that I dropped it down few weeks back and there's a major scratch down at the bottom of the screen where touch screen there doesn't work and when you press there it goes a bit to the left or right accordingly...! The screen needs calibration like all the time because it's not accurate.
Moreover, sometimes the hardware keyboard doesn't work and I need to make my phone sleep and then wake it up again and it would work. Last night I also got a key locked.. and it wouldn't work until I made my phone sleep and then work again.
Additionally, if my phone is locked, and I receive a phone call, and while talking to the phone I receive a message, when the phone call ends the phone is like crashed and I need to make it sleep and wake up so that it works well again.
Anyone who can give me any kind of suggestions or advices on how to solve or decrease the problems please?
Thank you.
None of those problems are WM6 problems.
You said you dropped your phone so i think its a hardware fault? Coz for me WM6 save's my HTC 8525 from bricked and now works fine.
You think? I think the screen alignment problems might be due to dropping the device on the ground once but I doubt the rest are. I believe they are driver bugs from WM6.
Do you think I should take it to get fixed? Would my warranty cover that?
Anymore have an opinion on the matter, please reply. Thanks.
Moreover, sometimes the hardware keyboard doesn't work and I need to make my phone sleep and then wake it up again and it would work.
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I had the same, when I used WM 5.0 (it happens on three diffrent devices - all of them comes from T-Mobile UK) - after upgrade WM 6.0 (Schaps) it's still happens, but very rarely.
Drivers might be part of the problem, but I think dropping it has played a big part.
If it was me I'd downgrade to the original setup (follow MrVanx's guide) and try that. If the problems persist they are hardware related, but you are in a position to try for warranty because of original set-up. If the problems go away, upgrade again and try to isolate which bit of software caused the problems.
But the reality is that if you've dropped your phone hard enough to scratch the screen that's probably the root of the problem which is probably not covered under warranty anyway...
Well it wasn't that hard hit on the ground, it's the fact that there was a tiny rock on the ground and that's where the screen hit...!
I have the same problem. Dropped it for about six months ago. The problems started just a couple of weeks ago. Strange. I'm gonna try the waranty. Even if I have a few scratches. Also my speaker doesn't work anymore.
Any more suggestions/ideas?
My first response is the definitive response.
If you are still concerned that WM6 is the problem, then go back to WM5.
some keys i have to press super hard, other keys i tap and it types the key like 3 times
like when i press a
it types
aaa
and im like wha?
i am still under warranty, should i just put original stock rom back on and ask them to repair it or try and get it switched out for a vogue 0.o
I have a similar problem on my device. Is this a known problem?
Ditto here, the Function key has to be pressed hard, and some keys in the first row are acting up as well, but primarily the Q key.
I'm not sure that this has been officially acknowledged by HTC or any providers but it seems to be a widespread issue for end users.
While the "hard presses" for Function, Q and P seem to be a physical problem many users have reported that using the following CAB fixes the duplicate entries.
The CAB is being provided by UTStarcom and be downloaded at the below page.
http://handsets.utstar.com/phone_downloads.aspx?bid=89&cid=1&mid=287&carrier=Verizon Wireless
Direct link to the CAB.
http://handsets.utstar.com/downloads/XV6800 QWERTY Keyboard Fix 1-9-08.zip
This is deff a problem. My phone does the exact same thing as OP.
I press a and it types it three times. This is the only key that this happens on.
I didn't realize how bad the keyboard was degrading until yesterday, when my Mogul was replaced. For me, the ./0, y/1 and function key were the worst offenders. The unit was swapped because the usb port broke. The port failed because it's a really cheap design, 2 pins broke off . The rep in the repair center insinuated that it was a really common issue, she didn't even look at the port when I explained the problem. On the plus side,I got rid of the dreaded white spot and my keyboard works well again, but for how long? The keyboard, screen and usb port problems are all common complaints on this board and others. What I surmise from this is that HTC makes a pretty crappy product! When this phone is retired in a year or so, I'm hopeful that I'll be able to replace it with a non HTC/non Windows Mobile (or whatever MS calls it next). Every time I use my phone, I wonder if it be wonderfully helpful tool this time, or a frustrating pain in the ass? Unfortunately, the later happens all too often!
the 0ne said:
I'm not sure that this has been officially acknowledged by HTC or any providers but it seems to be a widespread issue for end users.
While the "hard presses" for Function, Q and P seem to be a physical problem many users have reported that using the following CAB fixes the duplicate entries.
The CAB is being provided by UTStarcom and be downloaded at the below page.
http://handsets.utstar.com/phone_downloads.aspx?bid=89&cid=1&mid=287&carrier=Verizon Wireless
Direct link to the CAB.
http://handsets.utstar.com/downloads/XV6800 QWERTY Keyboard Fix 1-9-08.zip
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These cabs dont necessarily fix the hardware keyboard issues. It fixes the old issues of the function button always being on in certain applications.
The issues that people are having is just wear and tear. The XV6800 has a cheap build.
hi guys,
same here, when i type "a" either doesnt do anything or it gives me a duplicate of 3 a's. and that started happening since i upgraded to dcd 3.2.0 an on.
also when i switch to landscape mode it sometimes writes an H or Y or P. don't know if it is OS related or hardware but it is a brand new phone and i never recall having this before going to dcds greatest 3.2.X.
edit: also i've been using quickmenu ever since 3.2.0 because of the x-button issue so i was thinking is any of you using quickmenu too?
fn key problem
So I guess many people have this "hard press fn key" issue. Annoys me a lot, especially with password sites where I cannot see the entry. Would this justify replacement from spring, i have full insurance?
[email protected]$ said:
These cabs dont necessarily fix the hardware keyboard issues. It fixes the old issues of the function button always being on in certain applications.
The issues that people are having is just wear and tear. The XV6800 has a cheap build.
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I don't really think it's a hardware degradation issue. This is because there is no gradual degradation. If it were I would think just a few keys would start acting this way and then eventually a bunch of them would. With me I just all of a sudden noticed one day that all my keys were acting wonky. I think it was after a ROM flash but I can't recall any specific one that broke it (I change the ROM more often than I use my keyboard I think haha).
The CAB seems to help a little. I still have to take more care in typing than I used to but it's better than having so many repetitions of the same key.
unL33T said:
I don't really think it's a hardware degradation issue. This is because there is no gradual degradation. If it were I would think just a few keys would start acting this way and then eventually a bunch of them would. With me I just all of a sudden noticed one day that all my keys were acting wonky. I think it was after a ROM flash but I can't recall any specific one that broke it (I change the ROM more often than I use my keyboard I think haha).
The CAB seems to help a little. I still have to take more care in typing than I used to but it's better than having so many repetitions of the same key.
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I still say it's a hardware thing. Because if it was the software / ROM you would just be able to hard reset and your keyboard would be back to the state it was before.
My keyboard has issues with the E,O,H,Function Key, Space Bar, and the L.
It's something we will have to live with or just return our phones for a new one and wait for that one to wear out.
Just like the spots on the screen, loose stylus and so on. The 6800 was a bad build for HTC.
I Did Not Typs0r That! I Did Not Typs0r That!
ya well. it is definitely hardware. spoke to 4 co-workers with same company issued phone. one of them still has the stock rom on it, lol.. anyway
all now reporting this same issue.
i mean i was able to use my keyboard 2 months ago, and now i can't at all. its like i have a fat vogue minus 64 megs of ram. i mean i really got used to just using the on screen one.
i gotta figure out how to get stock rom back on so i can bring it to verizon and demand... satisfaction! only prob is nochem said something about it bricking your phone after putting radio 3.39 on it
torankusu said:
hi guys,
same here, when i type "a" either doesnt do anything or it gives me a duplicate of 3 a's. and that started happening since i upgraded to dcd 3.2.0 an on.
also when i switch to landscape mode it sometimes writes an H or Y or P. don't know if it is OS related or hardware but it is a brand new phone and i never recall having this before going to dcds greatest 3.2.X.
edit: also i've been using quickmenu ever since 3.2.0 because of the x-button issue so i was thinking is any of you using quickmenu too?
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Hmmm.... anyone go back to an older rom to see if this resolves it. if it does, i must throw away everything i know about electronics.
My gift to the WORLD!
keyboard fixed.
wow it was the software.
i built a rom without the htc diamond keyboard and it works fine now.
wtf? but im happy, keyboard is working normally
hummm... I have problems with the "Q" and the left softkey, I have to press them hard...
keyboard failing on Telus P4000
I got the same problem with my Telus P4000..
I think this is how I ran into this problem ...
I had radio 3.39 and dcd 3.1.2 at the time ...
I then decided to upgrade to radio 3.42.30 and another OS ROM (version I dont quite recall.)
That is when I ran into this issue with the keyboard.
So I went back to dcd 3.1.2 (kept 3.42.30 radio)
Same problem.
So i decided to revert back to stock ROM on TELUS (2.13) and radio 1.32
Still having this issue... I hope I do not have to bring in my phone to have it repaired. It will be the second time I bring it in
Flashed yesterday to DCD3.2.3 which uses the same keyboard driver as 2.1.4 (according to the changelog).
My keyboard was wonky as hell before this flash unless I installed the fix and even with the fix it would sometimes mess up. With the new ROM (and old driver) my keyboard works almost flawlessly without the fix installed.
Still everyone thinks it's hardware-related but it definitely showed up all of a sudden with a flash months ago and it disappeared just as quickly (for me anyway).
If you have keyboard issues maybe try the new ROM and see if you have a successful fix like I did.
definitely software, i should make a youtube vid to show it.
loaded up the stock rom to bring back to verizon to return saying keyboard was all quirky and i was standing there and everything was fine. im like what the hell?
what the hell brah?
ok so here is the instructions that fixed it for me:
restored stock rom
tested keyboard to see it working fine
flash it with the newer roms with radio 3.39
everything seems fine.
i can't explain it but it works.
my Problem possibly due to environment fluctuations: Heat-Cold-Humidity
jigjiggidy said:
I got the same problem with my Telus P4000..
I think this is how I ran into this problem ...
I had radio 3.39 and dcd 3.1.2 at the time ...
I then decided to upgrade to radio 3.42.30 and another OS ROM (version I dont quite recall.)
That is when I ran into this issue with the keyboard.
So I went back to dcd 3.1.2 (kept 3.42.30 radio)
Same problem.
So i decided to revert back to stock ROM on TELUS (2.13) and radio 1.32
Still having this issue... I hope I do not have to bring in my phone to have it repaired. It will be the second time I bring it in
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Ok... after I went back to TELUS stock, i then proceeded to flash up to dcd's latest at the time: 3.2.3 with 3.42.30 radio. Keyboard issue was still there ... So.. where to go from here right ...
Well, I recalled that I began having this issue not long after flashing 3.42.30 RADIO i think it was initially. If i recall correctly, it was not immediate. I left to go camping for 4 days and my battery died .. So I left the phone off for most of those 4 days. When I got back from camping, that is where the keyboard issue began. Note: It did not get wet, but it obviously gets damp at night. My thought: phone off for extended amount of time in damp environment, somehow affected the keyboard. I don't know how, maybe some sort of rusting of sorts due to the hot/cold/humid fluctuations inside the tent (estimated environmental fluctuations>15-30 celsius with 60-90%RH). Reason I say this is the following:
I decided to pass my fingers accross the keyboard on every buttoms back and forth with a decent amount of force. Idea being that I could maybe create enough friction or force to disrupt whatever is causing the issue under my keyboard .. I did that for a bit. And my keyboard is working better. Not perfect, but I would say 90%. I barely notice it now ..
Thanks for bringing this thread up. I have beeen getting a few missed keys, and in particular, the Fn key has been flaky. Either not working or double pressing so the Fn light comes on and locks.
So, when I heard others having the same issue, a short while back I sprayed the keyboard with contact cleaner. All better now. Now the typing mistakes are all my fault, not the keyboard.
If you try this, use a plastic safe cleaner. I used Caig Pro Gold.
Hi I have a strange Problem
I have like flashed hundreds of Roms with no problems
recently I flashed a gingerbread rom but went back to froyo cause of on working camera and other issues
regardless what happens now is
My screen starts jumping from one side to another and the key board kinda gets unresponsive mostly at the bottom of the screen and it becomes almost impossible to use the phone, because if I press one thing something else gets pressed and I am forced to use the trackball.
So I unrooted my Hero and flashed the official Htc 2.73 Ruu.. It still happened but settled down.
Then I got a bit brave and unrooted my phone again but still regardless of which rom I use the screen goes unstable even my favourite Elelinux one)
I have the official Rom as nand backup If I Restore it happens and then settles.
But now I cant seem to use the custom roms without the screen jumping around like crazy
HELP
EDIT : Been looking around the net and some people seem to have the issue although quiet alot not sure whether its software or hardware related... possibly could be if the screen has been pressed too hard or something which my 2 year old must have
It still happens on the official rom as well guess time to send it for recycling cause no point repairing it although I am still in contract for a couple of months.
But if anyone has a software related solution you are welcome
when flashing next try wiping everything, clear your sd card, ext, etc and start again. I had a few issues with mine (lag, unsuable, and some issues with screen presses) and all seem to be fine now. (My phone was also turning itself off though)
(my 2 yr old jumps on my heros screen, I dount thats the cause of your issues)