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Hey guys,
I've recently upgraded from an MDA compact to a MDA Vario. So far I think the device is very cool although it's a downside that it's that bit fatter (can't complain as you get the keyboard!).
One thing I have noticed is that it's soooo slow in comparison to the Compact. Is this just down to the hacking of the processor speed (400 compared to 200) or is it Rom based? I had kinda thought that although the processor was slower it would give similar performance due to pipelining etc.
Cheers.
Theres a program on this forum that allows you to overclock your device, it does make it run better so give it a try.
thanx
no way. s100's processor is 412 Mhz, and 9100's processor is officially 195, but actually is 185. so, s100 is twice as fast as 9100 :!:
U have to remember that the 9100 is a dual core processor.
so?
Mhz does not usually mean faster. Take Intel and AMD for example. Even though Intel has higher clock speed, it is not faster than AMD.
Just to drive that point home, at work a client started an unofficial benchmarking of systems, and results include
- an AMD Athlon64 3000+ at 2GHz, single core, single CPU... let's say this machine's speed is '1'
- an Intel Core Duo T2400 at 1.83GHz, dual core, single CPU... it's almost 2.5 times as fast.
That said, the OMAP may be dual core, but it's not 'dual core' like desktop/notebook processors. The two cores each specialize in different parts. You might notice that, for example, it's easier to multitask on these chips - while video playback won't see any performance boost and is likely to be slower.
Depending on your needs, your mileage may vary.
Omap 850 go 195 Mhz because it's downgraded by HTC for safety reason (they reply me like that) Processor is only 200 Mhz but for radio is performed by another chip.... i have both and Wizard isn't speed as Magician.
I find Sony Ericsson P900 at 153mhz to be much faster and responsive than any XDA. Although that's probably more to do with Microsoft's sketchy OS than the processor.
I think the Wizard overclocked to 264mhz is much fater at moving around the OS than a BlueAngel at 400mhz, but like someone said above, it's not so good at video playback.
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in this case, my CPU is set to - 264MHZ are there any problems
to stay on this MHZs /battery, cpu lifetime, errors and accidental
shut downs/ ?
To compare use benchmarks (TCPMP for example)
darkheroz said:
in this case, my CPU is set to - 264MHZ are there any problems
to stay on this MHZs /battery, cpu lifetime, errors and accidental
shut downs/ ?
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Hi most people find it more stable at 240Mhz omapclock speed (260Mhz true as measured by sktools) but if it is stable for you - thats cool.
Hey guys this old x-scale vs omap thing has been bashed out numerous times!! Please for our sanity no more!! :wink: Anyhow looks like x-scale is being dropped by intel.
Hi,
I have seen benchmarks on this site, but I dont know in what topic.
In summary, the wizard is almost twice as fast as the magician, and the xda executer is twice as fast as the wizard, I have seen those benchmarks but I dont have the link. Also my wizard proves day after day that it is not slow at all, any game or CPU intensive program runs smoothly just the way you like.
So, dont be misled by the frequency measure, it is unfair to compare two different architectures only with regard to clock speed only, even a small improvement in the cache technology, or the pipeline design could bring massive performance advantages to the system's processor performance.
Regards,
Mohammad
no, the wizard is slower than the magician. i have both so i know. one thing is the processor even though it is dual core (one for pda, one for phone). the other reason is the way the os manages memory, with wm5 using persistent storage rather than having things ready on ram. this is running both without overclock that is.
This is not neccesserly true, maybe wm2003 OS is much lighter than WM5, its like comparing two identical desktop computers one is running windows 95, the other is running windows2000 and claiming that the one that runs windows 95 is faster. From my point of view (as a computer engineer) Benchmarking is the only trustful way to tell.
Another thing is that dual coring the processor has removed the overhead of managing the phone hardware by the main core, and this is definitely an advantage!!!
Another plus for the OMAP processor is that it consumes less power, and we all know that the most important resource for handheld devices is power, afterall, if you want to compare the actual CPU speed you have to run benchmarks on both devices, regardless of how the magician seems to be faster.
So lets search for benchmarks and put what we get here.
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Update:
I found the benchmarks, enjoy!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27512&highlight=benchmarks
i have my 9100 from today (used a s100 for one year.)
the 9100 reacts quicker to start,browsing...
only TT loading takes a few seconds longer
I dunno if everyone knows this already, but I just discovered it and thought it looked pretty neat
New: TI OMAP Processor support and enhancements:
* TI OMAP850 and TI OMAP1510 processor support.
* Support for Cingular 8125, HTC WIZARD, DoPod 818 Pro, Qtek 9100, MDA K-Jam, HTC Prophet, i-Mate JAMin, MDA Compact 2, HP iPAQ hw6915, HP iPAQ hw6945, HP iPAQ hw6965 all HP hw6515 ROMS updated.
* AutoScaling for TI OMAP processors supported.
XCPUScalar 07
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This means 'autoscaled' over/underclocking, allowing increased performance AND better battery life. I was previously using OmapClock, but this looks like a much better solution. It's less likely to damage the device, and also provides battery savings.
BTW you shouldn't overclock this device above 240MHz if you want it to live, personally I won't go above 210ish. It's clocked at 180MHz factory settings and dropping it below 130MHz will make it stuff up IIRC.
so xcpuscalar or Pocket hack master ?
what is the best app thanks
Battery plugin from our forum. been using it for some time, overlocked to 286MHZ with no problem, battery saving - no problem, when it's in sleep mode the device clock is 195MHz
battery plugins rocks don't search for any alternative
here ->>> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=270751
theone3 said:
I dunno if everyone knows this already, but I just discovered it and thought it looked pretty neat
This means 'autoscaled' over/underclocking, allowing increased performance AND better battery life. I was previously using OmapClock, but this looks like a much better solution. It's less likely to damage the device, and also provides battery savings.
BTW you shouldn't overclock this device above 240MHz if you want it to live, personally I won't go above 210ish. It's clocked at 180MHz factory settings and dropping it below 130MHz will make it stuff up IIRC.
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I overclock with the BatteryStatus app to 234 mhz. I previously overclocked to 260 but had some lockups especially with today plugins that were running from SD card. I'm just curious what info you have that overclocking to a higher rate would do damage to the device...just curious.
BatteryStatus (1.04.203 beta4) displays CPU speed as 312 MHz. It never changes regardless of the program being used.
Does anyone else see this?
Can anyone explain why it does not display 624 Mhz?
Can't explain it, but mine does the same. TCPMP reports 630mhz though.
this would not surprise me cause i had the p3600 before this phone and i did not see a difference in speed between the phones even through the p3600 had a 400mhz cpu
This is a known bug of BatteryStatus.
Actually this is not a bug, The battery status is made for XDA Neo (prophet) which runs an OMAP Processor so it is not compatible with Intel/Marvell Xscale or the Samsung's CPU's.
I have a p3300 which runs a 200Mhz OMAP and the battery status works great on it.
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Actually this is not a bug, The battery status is made for XDA Neo (prophet) which runs an OMAP Processor so it is not compatible with Intel/Marvell Xscale or the Samsung's CPU's.
I have a p3300 which runs a 200Mhz OMAP and the battery status works great on it.
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My bad. Sorry.... but it would be great if this super plug in could work with Xscale as well.
I've run benchmark from SKTools, and it stated X1's RAM performance as far below Diamond, and I've noticed that my X1 ix indeed can be considered slow when running a lot of programs while it still have more than 50% more RAM; I've seen the CPU usage and it wasn't really stressed out.
So my conclusion is that X1 RAM is somewhat slow (mean : RAM speed, and timings -if you're familiar to the world of overclocking and such)
anybody else noticed?
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I've run benchmark from SKTools, and it stated X1's RAM performance as far below Diamond, and I've noticed that my X1 ix indeed can be considered slow when running a lot of programs while it still have more than 50% more RAM; I've seen the CPU usage and it wasn't really stressed out.
So my conclusion is that X1 RAM is somewhat slow (mean : RAM speed, and timings -if you're familiar to the world of overclocking and such)
anybody else noticed?
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I would be quite skeptical of these results, HTC Diamond, Touch Pro and HD have nearly the same hardware components as X1. They have exactly the same CPU and I wouldn't mind to bet that they have the same (or similar) memory chip.
Maybe more benchmarks should be done by other users of both devices just in case.
nap007 said:
I've run benchmark from SKTools, and it stated X1's RAM performance as far below Diamond, and I've noticed that my X1 ix indeed can be considered slow when running a lot of programs while it still have more than 50% more RAM; I've seen the CPU usage and it wasn't really stressed out.
So my conclusion is that X1 RAM is somewhat slow (mean : RAM speed, and timings -if you're familiar to the world of overclocking and such)
anybody else noticed?
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Hm, my score is 1010.00 if thats some sort of help
nap007 said:
I've run benchmark from SKTools, and it stated X1's RAM performance as far below Diamond, and I've noticed that my X1 ix indeed can be considered slow when running a lot of programs while it still have more than 50% more RAM; I've seen the CPU usage and it wasn't really stressed out.
So my conclusion is that X1 RAM is somewhat slow (mean : RAM speed, and timings -if you're familiar to the world of overclocking and such)
anybody else noticed?
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I think it depends on what your phone is up to when you run it.
These are my Xperia results.
2nd fastest integer cpu results (323.57)
HTC Touch Diamond (331.11) with the Qualcomm MSM7201A CPU
RAM speed was actaully a lot faster than the Touch Diamond
Xperia X1 (1493)
Samsung Omnia (868)
HTC Touch Diamond (472)
In most of the other tests the Xperia scores very well.
Try a soft reset and benchmark it again maybe ?
Did you also notice SKTools shows CPU Clock speed of 400000000 or 400MHz !
Not sure if thats because the CPU is not running at full speed when its at low CPU utilitization or its been clock speed reduced to help with battery life like the iPhones.
iXX
ixxeon said:
I think it depends on what your phone is up to when you run it.
These are my Xperia results.
2nd fastest integer cpu results (323.57)
HTC Touch Diamond (331.11) with the Qualcomm MSM7201A CPU
RAM speed was actaully a lot faster than the Touch Diamond
Xperia X1 (1493)
Samsung Omnia (868)
HTC Touch Diamond (472)
In most of the other tests the Xperia scores very well.
Try a soft reset and benchmark it again maybe ?
Did you also notice SKTools shows CPU Clock speed of 400000000 or 400MHz !
Not sure if thats because the CPU is not running at full speed when its at low CPU utilitization or its been clock speed reduced to help with battery life like the iPhones.
iXX
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hmmm you're right, I re test it again and now it's just a bit slower than yours, there has been some inconsistency it seemed.
interesting.... HomeScreen PlusPlus ALSO reports 400 MHz..... i think Device Information under Start --> Settings is only showing the SPECIFICATION that it's 528 MHz but I'm pretty sure it's underclocked to 400 MHz.
Same for me: 400 mhz. We need to find a program to overclock the device.
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Same for me: 400 mhz. We need to find a program to overclock the device.
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Maybe I am wrong but I think these devices have dinamic CPU speed. So probably 400 Mhz is the "normal" speed but it goes up to 528 only when "is needed". In the same way It goest down to 200 Mhz in standby
Dani