Pretty much what the title says. Any speculation over whether we will get wm7 running?
we have so many fine chefs in the forum, i say YES to it.
i would say yes, but i am not quite sure, if i am sooo happy about it. i mean, i like wm6.5 and looove the BA, but even in wm6.1 and of course now in wm6.5 there are many things additional that many people want for their phones but the os alone can't help it, many things are only available for vga/wvga devices and even if we can make the ui better and make it look nice, a BA will never become the same as the "big" phones like touch diamond, touch hd...
you can do a lot with the device and even add a lot of features, that's what i always try to explain to my friends. the software features of a wm phone are basicly all the same, there is a lot of potential in each and every device, the things that really matter when buying a new device is the hardware specs: wlan, accelerometer... things you can't install afterwards.
in conclusion i would say wm7 will work o the BA, but i doubt that you can use the full experience, since the resolution of qvga might not be enough for most add-on apps, and without accelerometer, light sensor and other gimmicks, maybe some basic ui features might be missing.
i think this is going to be a very interesting thread, thx hardingt0110
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Well i can not answer this yet, when WM7 is publically available and more developers have fixes for core and driver issues which will emerge with the new CE OS it may be remotely possible
But for now my answer is NO, we will not see WM7 in Blueangel, the new CE core will be incompatible, a BA ce core should be generated via platform builder and the blueangel BSP, also all drivers must be rewritten from scratch, and noone outside HTC and Microsoft have the BSP,and (i only talk for myself here) i do not have such development skills to do it
I think the answer is may be work,I dont understand the mechanism of the internal properties and small details of the BA hardware, but for long time they said there is no wm 5 for magician(i mate jam),before like a month a russian developer called cotulla made it and now the wm 6.1 runs at magician.
really we trust that BA developers will make it too.
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Well i can not answer this yet, when WM7 is publically available and more developers have fixes for core and driver issues which will emerge with the new CE OS it may be remotely possible
But for now my answer is NO, we will not see WM7 in Blueangel, the new CE core will be incompatible, a BA ce core should be generated via platform builder and the blueangel BSP, also all drivers must be rewritten from scratch, and noone outside HTC and Microsoft have the BSP,and (i only talk for myself here) i do not have such development skills to do it
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How many times have we gone over the same things? I believe that over the last 4 years, I have seen this post and thread (similar anyways) as many times as M$ has come up with/announced a new OS. Same reasons that xplode listed here too...
*different core
*drivers not the same
*hardware is different
and so on and so forth....
Have some faith people... our devices still pack a powerful punch and I don't think the world has seen the last flight of the Blue Angels just yet. So what if we can't tilt the device back and forth? Trust me, I have been using this acceleromenter feature on the Fuze and I am not that impressed. Besides, I am almost certain that something can be created to replace it. The only thing that I would not mind seeing would be multitouch screen, in which case, I would have to admit... we are screwed
Look at it this way guys, many of us have the SX66 variant of the BA, which means no camera. If we were able to get by without cameras for this long (that is for the ones that are still holding onto their dear BA's), I guess we can do away with a few things here and there...
Look into the future with sunglasses ladies and gents, it is gonna be a bright one
well the hardware may support WM7 but there is no software upgrade (core and drivers) for this hardware
take a look at alpine still have no upgrade from WM 2003 and it is powerful device
well in latest OS-es they al are based on CE5 (WM5 - CE5.1, WM6(including 6.1 and 6.5) - CE5.2) so the core is almost the same it was made run with few hex edits, and drivers are the same ones from WM5. For WM7 we now have new CE OS everything is difrend there.
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well the hardware may support WM7 but there is no software upgrade (core and drivers) for this hardware
take a look at alpine still have no upgrade from WM 2003 and it is powerful device
well in latest OS-es they al are based on CE5 (WM5 - CE5.1, WM6(including 6.1 and 6.5) - CE5.2) so the core is almost the same it was made run with few hex edits, and drivers are the same ones from WM5. For WM7 we now have new CE OS everything is difrend there.
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That's true, but I don't think the Alpine ever had too many "enthusiasts" or at least not as many as the Himalaya or the BA. You are right about the specs though... powerful indeed, but I guess since it came out around the birth of the BA, lots of people went for the extra added bulk of the keyboard. Long story short, if you don't have too many devs on it, there isn't much to do...
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Yeah you are right, but i just gave it as example
We have 6.5 now because we had WM5, but we will have WM7 only if there is such rom made in microsoft and leaked in the process
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Yeah you are right, but i just gave it as example
We have 6.5 now because we had WM5, but we will have WM7 only if there is such rom made in microsoft and leaked in the process
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Like that has never happened before ... I mean, I normally think of M$ as a humongous strainer or a really bad filter
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Like that has never happened before ... I mean, I normally think of M$ as a humongous strainer or a really bad filter
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Well from what I've seen and after working for some related companies, I really don't believe in such thing as a "leak", its done on purpose. Reasons? Free Advertising, creates expectation, free testing w/o risk to "the company", etc, etc, etc. Just look at it that way, and you'll understand me better
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Well i can not answer this yet, when WM7 is publically available and more developers have fixes for core and driver issues which will emerge with the new CE OS it may be remotely possible
But for now my answer is NO, we will not see WM7 in Blueangel, the new CE core will be incompatible, a BA ce core should be generated via platform builder and the blueangel BSP, also all drivers must be rewritten from scratch, and noone outside HTC and Microsoft have the BSP,and (i only talk for myself here) i do not have such development skills to do it
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xplode is just being modest here, sun_dream and helmi_c is probably smiling behind his back now
Even though WM7 may not be able to run on BA due to different core, drivers, etc, I do have faith and believe in developers!
When will WM7 be released... any ideas?
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When will WM7 be released... any ideas?
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I doubt anyone could answer you that, google for your answer.
imatrix said:
I doubt anyone could answer you that, google for your answer.
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Have googled many times, not one site can give a real answer, some report the last quarter or last year..lol. Perhaps one of the talented people here may have a better insight
noone can give definite answer to that because veen the people at MS are no sure yet, but suggested date is sometime autumn 2010
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noone can give definite answer to that because veen the people at MS are no sure yet, but suggested date is sometime autumn 2010
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Thanks Explode, was hoping that my phone upgrade in June might have been with WM7!! And thank you for all the hard work and advice you give us!!
Though I am a fan of Windows Mobile OS, but I still question why do we need new releases from M$? Have you seen any new features and considerable improvements since its release as WM 2003 in the year 2003? Answer is a clear NO, features offered in 2003 ans features offered now after 6 years are exactly the same. I am sure WM7 release will be a big disappointment too. WM6.5 is clearly showing lack of innovations and introduction of new features. Home screen of 6.5 is a big disappointment, today;s screen has made life more complex and omg introduction of honeycomb proved us that how simple interfaces could be made more complex, lock screen is buggy etc etc.
WM has been a leader in smart phones since long but why a newcomer like iPhone could easily push WM years behind the innovations. iPhone clearly proved that even though there are less features packed into it, but whatever is packed is reliable and very user friendly and thats what is appreciated by customers. We are still struggling to resolve wifi issues in wm. PIE or WMP can not stream popular YouTube videos. M2D offers much superior user interface though heavy on memory. I have yet to see a new innovative feature in WM. thats why I ask why do we need another version of WM. M$ team is just chasing features introduced by other players like touchFlo, touch zoom, multiple touches.. If next version of iPhone release in this June offers maps with text to speech directions, WM release will be pushed back by one more year. I am sure new version of iPhone will offer many more new features and I simply pity lack of innovations and leading innovations at M$ house. Chasing behind someone will never give a lead.
I wish M$ has hidden agenda for 6.5 as well for wm7 else I dont see any point in going for WM7 in the near future except if i want to say I have the latest windows mobile on my BA.
I think the topic of this thread should be changed to 'Will we ever need WM7?"
overall from WM5 to WM6.5 there are a lot under the hood improvements, but the UI was almost the same, this will change in WM7
well to answer your question i will say this (this is my personal opinion)
Yes i need constant change so yes i need the change to WM7, but if you as is it worth to upgrade to WM7 i can not answer yet and noone outside microsoft can at this moment
Hi i already posted this on Android Community forum...but i think this must be more appropriate place...so does anybody has any info if it is possible to install the Android OS to a smartphone other than the one that comes with one?
Is it possible to lets say install the Android OS (Linux) to samsung hd i8910, that has symbian OS? Somehow change the firmware to the one with Android? What obstacles exist that this has not been done yet?
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Hi i already posted this on Android Community forum...but i think this must be more appropriate place...so does anybody has any info if it is possible to install the Android OS to a smartphone other than the one that comes with one?
Is it possible to lets say install the Android OS (Linux) to samsung hd i8910, that has symbian OS? Somehow change the firmware to the one with Android? What obstacles exist that this has not been done yet?
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one thing would be drivers.
is it possible to install Android OS on Acer E200 which comes with Windows Mobile 6.5? what are the tools to build the custom Rom?
Ok the drivers...that is major..is anyone doing something similar like writing the new drivers?
Takes a lot of time,knowledge and work to build drivers from scratch to different processors.Reasearch teams take months....
Even for qualcomm processors,because OS´s use it in a somewhat diferent way and is coded in the processor itself...thats what i understood for what i read...might be totally wrong i dont understand nothing about that.
Emulation is possible but it wont be the same...laggy,clutered,buggy,etc.
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Ok the drivers...that is major..is anyone doing something similar like writing the new drivers?
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I would highly doubt it, but it's always possible.
noaru said:
Hi i already posted this on Android Community forum...but i think this must be more appropriate place...so does anybody has any info if it is possible to install the Android OS to a smartphone other than the one that comes with one?
Is it possible to lets say install the Android OS (Linux) to samsung hd i8910, that has symbian OS? Somehow change the firmware to the one with Android? What obstacles exist that this has not been done yet?
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Here on XDA, Android has successfully been ported to the HTC Vogue (HTC Touch). Progress is going along rapidly on the Raphael, Diamond, and Blackstone. I don't know about any ports to Symbian phones though, XDA is oriented more towards WinMo.
There might be ports going on to Symbian phones, but there probably won't be much information on any Symbian devices here.
But yes, it is possible to port Android to another smartphone, it just requires a LOT of elbow work.
EDIT: Found this forum, it might interest you. People talking about Android on the i8910 http://forums.samsungi8910omnia.com...-cooked-roms/6239-android-1-6-i8910hd-19.html
Well its always nice to hear, that there is somebody doing something..like you guys here on xda. In the case of i8910 it is the matter of the pure hardware..and type of phone..that is very high end..and cannot be compared with phones of HTC type...not yet..i guess the speed, the capacitive touch screen..processor..camera..only bad thing is sucky symbian..
Hi! I've been thinking a lot but I don't find any answer (google either), so I ask experts
Why the HTC HD2 can 'support' WP7, Windows Mobile, Android, Meego etc... and other smartphones simply can not?
I don't understand it, so please, con someone explain it to me?
Thank you!
In fact, it IS possible (apart WP7 which has higher minimum requisites that only the HD2 can handle), Android runs well in some other phones, the main thing that made the HD2 what it is today is the community, and i think that so many people like it because it was the first phone of the new generation we're in now (really powerful phones ).
I think that's why community coders like it so much.
Thank you for the quick reply! I do understand it now. So theoretically, we could install all of those OS to almost all the smartphones that there are in market, couldn't we? Depending on the hardware of the device and the requisites of the OS, of course.
P.S: I think that my next smartphone will be an HTC Leo
Theoretically yes.
but probably not. you need an army of developers to unlock each phone's bootloader, another army to identify hardware incompatibilities and fix them, and people willing to build ROMs for that phone.
so basically it's how many developers own that phone, and how many users owning that phone as well. No one wants to do anything for a phone that's not that popular.
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Thank you for the quick reply! I do understand it now. So theoretically, we could install all of those OS to almost all the smartphones that there are in market, couldn't we? Depending on the hardware of the device and the requisites of the OS, of course.
P.S: I think that my next smartphone will be an HTC Leo
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Good choice
So I was wondering.
What makes the HD2 so versatile for all kinds of operating systems?
What is it about the HD2 that lets us run Android, WP, WM etc. etc., when other 'native' android or WP7 only run android or WP7?
Is it the fact that it's originally for WM, which while old as hell was pretty much as open as they come?
Is it something specific in the architecture? Something about the bootloader?
I'm honestly perplexed.
the open bootloader, great hardware, unlockable hidden memory, and a lot of developer brothers out there ! !!
bepe, cotulla, tytung, and all the other master and rookie developers are like angels to hd2 users !! !! !
the device and many of the folks out here have inspired me so much that even i am trying to develop a rom !! !
So is it just that HTC release this phone with very accessible low-level systems because of WM, or was it just a 'fluke' and a coincidence? Why - in theory - don't they make other phones as modable and open as the HD2? If they release a new phone with new hardware and declare that it's as open and unlocked as the HD2, I think people would jump on board like crazy. Why don't they?
probably the fact thats theres so many willing developers that love the device
here is at least one similar thread, i know there are about 2-3 more that beat around the same bush:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042866
my reply from above thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13069330&postcount=5