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XDA IIi, changing the bluetooth stack & some newbie stuf

Hello all,
I have an XDA IIi from O2 UK, and I recently purchased a game called Quartz 2 from Elements Interactive BV; I bought two copies, one for my fiancee's P900 and one for my XDA IIi, as it has a multiplayer option that works over both TCP/IP and bluetooth. Or so they claim... I just could not get the game to play nicely with bluetooth, whenever I tried to join or host a game via bluetooth, it instantly failed, whereas it worked fine on the P900. So I emailed tech support to see what they had to say...
Unfortunately, Bluetooth isn't able to work properly on all windows
mobile devices.
This is because there are 2 "Bluetooth stacks" for windows mobile: one
of them is made by Microsoft and one of them is made by Broadcom. It
depends on the device which one is installed (only one of them can be
installed at the same time which is done by the manufacturer of your
product). Because of some licensing issues, we're only able to support
one of the stacks.
Your windows mobile device probably uses the Broadcom stack, the one
that isn't supported by the game. We're sorry to say this, but there
isn't much we can do about this (unless Broadcom change their licensing
terms). Your UIQ device however, is able to work properly because
Symbian doesn't have these issues.
I hope this clears it all up. If there are more questions, please let me
know.
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My XDA IIi runs (according to the Bluetooth Settings/control panel) BT-PPC/PE Version 1.0.0 Build 3900, with the copyright notice belonging to Broadcom. Doh!
So, questions:
Is there any way to run the Microsoft bluetooth stack on the XDA IIi? If so, are there any problems created by doing so?
Does anybody know what the "licensing issues" are? I have emailed them to ask but had no reply as of yet.
And this may seem like a silly question, but the XDA IIi *is* an Alpine (which is an updated Himalaya?), right? Are the XDA III and XDA IIi distinct models? The HTC_Blueangel wiki page mentions a German XDA III, and the forum index mentions an XDA III in the Blue Angel forum description. I just want to be clear on this
In case it's any use, the Device Information control panel contains the following.
ROM version: 1.10.00 WWE
ROM date: 12/24/04
Radio version: 1.00.00
Protocol version: 1337.39 (my protocol is elite!)
ExtROM version: 1.10.124 WWE
Model No.: PH10C
Are there any updates I'm missing/should have installed?
Thanks!

No-one's replied as yet I see, so I'll be the bearer of bad news, citlee. You have the most up-to-date BT stack and ROM. Hopefully, we'll be getting a ROM update soon, but don't expect it to change from Broadcom anytime soon.
As far as naming's go, yes it's called an Alpine (even though xda-developers seem to want to call it a Andes). I don't think you can run a MS BT stack on your device either.
Sorry to be the one to tell you..,.
Kevin

Oh ... ... bugger
Thanks for replying, at least now I know I don't have to go hunting for updates and stuff.
So the device is an Alpine, but here it's referred to as an Andes, which is an updated Himalaya? How is it different from the Himalaya? Will software (on this site, that is, not in general, for doing things end users aren't supposed to) for the XDA II/Himalaya work on this device?
Also, do you have any idea if Windows Mobile 2005 will function on this device? Of course, prior to installing it, it wouldn't be a bad idea to see what the differences/(dis)advantages of 2005 over 2003SE are...

I'm sorry to tell you this but, Windows Mobile 2005 will not work on the XDAIIi, the upgrade of windows mobile was designed to work only with the ROM version of the himalaya. the ROM that the new XDA IIi has is different, so there is no upgrade for it now, I have one XDA IIi also, but do not worry about it becuase it will just take some time untill microsoft will force all the PDA companies to include its upgrade on their devices, it's been always like this.
Regards,
Jorge

Trinity will get GPS !!

Just found official information that the Trinity will get GPS
See folowing link to the latest HTC brochure.
http://www.europe.htc.com/z/pdf/products/HTC_PRODUCT_BROCHURE_V2_111006.pdf
Guess many of us are happy now

read the bulletin - "Standalone GPS" means an indipendent accessories that provide GPS connectivity... it will be available shortly, which is not a specially fresh news since standalone BT GPSs' have been on the market for a while now (Haicom etc)

its all a bit ambiguous - if you have a look at the way they write up the p3300 you see there choice of words is "standalone gps"

it doesn't matter, even without the GPS function i will still get a set

As we say in Germany : The one who can read has a clear advantage... Trinity will not have GPS on board, period. Xenov, first post, welcome, you are excused...

Lucas0511 said:
As we say in Germany : The one who can read has a clear advantage... Trinity will not have GPS on board, period. Xenov, first post, welcome, you are excused...
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Let's interpred the text this way: HTC will not praise their latest top notch product in the first line of text with "Standalone GPS" when in reality it is a separate GPS device. This is not like HTC.
When "standalone GPS" means a seperate GPS device, then this text would apply to all today's pocket PC's... and HTC would not use this phrase in the first line of text to praise their new pride...
Time will tell, let everyone judge for his/her own...

Mate, read carefully: The "standalone" GPS refers to the HTC 3300, and that is the HTC Artemis, not Trinity. But by now HTC boss Peter Chou must have understood that you are really keen on GPS ))
And as we say in Germany : Other mothers have beautiful daughters, too. Look at this baby, a competitor to HTC Artemis, with GPS:
http://www.etencorp.com/products/Communication/x500.php

IMHO the standalone perhaps means that they will release the HTC branded BT GPS module

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Mate, read carefully: The "standalone" GPS refers to the HTC 3300, and that is the HTC Artemis, not Trinity. But by now HTC boss Peter Chou must have understood that you are really keen on GPS ))
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At both devices HTC mentiones "Standalone GPS": P3600 aka Trinity AND P3300 aka Artemis... Sorry but this is the way it is... can't change it

English - the worlds most ambiguous language......
Either HTC's marketing department is completely useless or they wanted us to stir up this debate for a reason (time for another paranoid pill)
or
we are all just kidding ourselves
(probably the latter)
inevitably only time will tell

What about letiting it mean that unlike the Artemis that comes with stand alone gps and program installed, Trinity will have stand alone gps, but without the program. So that you can choose whichever provider you like
Cheer up guys!!

If there would be GPS "in" the device, all those people testing the device would have noticed it for sure.

From what I read earlier, the GPS is already inside the device but it has not been activated as it conflicts with the Quad-band GSM chip. However, it is said there there will be a ROM upgrade in the future that would finally make the GPS module usable once the conflicts have been fixed.
From the PDF file, I would think that it supports the reports above. Reason being, for both the Trinity and Artemis, they are noted to have standalone GPS and we know for sure that the Artemis already has it.
I guess the reaon for them putting the * and saying that it would be available shortly for the Trinity is likely due to the reports where they are working on fixing the problem and would release a ROM upgrade to enable it in the future.
What do you guys think?

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If there would be GPS "in" the device, all those people testing the device would have noticed it for sure.
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You might be right providing the GPS hardware is connected by software somehow.
The way I understand the situation is that the GPS unit is in the hardware, but not connected by software. Production of the hardware is running from mid october so the hardware won't change anymore.
The only way HTC can make the promised "standalone GPS available shortly", is by software update...

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What do you guys think?
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Agree....

Nice Trinity pics, even for those (like me) who do not understand Polish.
http://pdaclub.pl/view.php?news_id=11939

I guess you guys should check this this out; http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279546 for clarification.

ah a beauty! white version triumphs big time over the black version...
if theres so much conflict abt the GPS issue in the Trinity why cant HTC rectify the problem then release the Trinity with GPS or discard the Quad-band GSM chip n use another chip!?!?!?

Thanks for the piscs, really nice the white one.
Hope we can enjoy the GPS on a next ROM upgrade. The time is more close...

Being involved into GPS business, I can say that "standalone GPS" would mean "standalone GPS mode" an opposite to AGPS, or even DGPS/RTK (though I doubt the latter). Read e.g. here:
The resulting AGPS system boosts performance beyond that of the same receiver in a stand-alone mode.
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If it was an external unit, I'm sure it would be called as such with additional "optional" remark.

FM Radio Please,,,

I'm sure i've spotted within another thread a picture of the board inside the artemis and trinity which basically showed them to be v similar... and an fm chip on the trinity board.
i'm going to be getting a trinity - probably the m700 when it hits the shops in london - but don't understand this fm radio thing (it would complete the product!)
does the dopod model not have fm radio on it's variant? if so, surely all trinity's do, no? is a variant not all about branding and software as opposed to the actual tecky stuff inside?
also, supposing the trinity doesn't have this fm chip... can we not get a plug which has the tuner on it then we just install some kind of software? - i'm thinking of these ipod remote controllers which give an ipod radio functionality.
great to see the gps problem solved - even if by way of leaked room - but lets finalise the trinity with an fm radio too!!

Sorry dude, no FM radio
Don't know about the plug, don't think it exists

official statement of HTC after question for FM Tuner:
That is correct with regard to GPS we are still awaiting an update to enable this on your device.
The P3600 does not have an FM receiver. There is one in the P3300.

Rumors on Herald having built-in GPS

Hi everybody,
Today one of the Russian PDA forums was claiming Herald to have a built-in GPS (!!!) just like the one in Artemis. The only problem is that there's some contact needing to be soldered.
What do you think, is that possible?

Interesting )))) 4PDA ????

Please post more info

BackDraft said:
Interesting )))) 4PDA ????
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Yup. It was on 4PDA.

Biom Defiler said:
Yup. It was on 4PDA.
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I see )))))

gpsd possibility ??
Please send a link so we can take a look at this and research the possibility of gps.

this would be great, anyone can post a link so that we can view it and practive our russian.
best regards

any new informations?
it's a nice fact, my vpa compact 4 will come in 3 days

Wheres the link
Still waiting for the link on that gps coverage ?????

The source of the rumor is here.
But there is nothing more than was said already. Just a pure claim (speculation?), without any detalis.

The initial source says that he had heard it from a person who is an official HTC representative. No more no less. Blueprints unavailable.

I heard fm a newsgroup said that, Herald using the same radio chips as Trinity, which has GPS capability.
But the problem is, Herald doesn't have built-in GPS antenna. That may be what "soldering" needed

Herald and Trinity have different RF modules. Don't confuse it with TyTN, pls.
I've dissassembled Herald - there's no anything inside about GPS

Well.. i think every HTC has an build in GPS because the Herald uses EDGE. that's an sort of GPS so maybe if you search the internet for an edge gps converter, it will show up something promesing. but if you guys want me to contact the HTC company and ask them if the phone has an GPS, i'd do that. a friend of mine works at HTC. i can contact him.
Sry about my rubbish english. it's early in the morning.

^What?! I... wha... I'm gonna go smoke a blunt.

Even if it has GPS, where do you think we can put the antenna? I think Artemis and Herald are same from hardwer point of view.

that cant be true. in trinity there was antena and cpu with integrated gps chipset. in hermes there was same cpu with same chipset but there was no way to install antena and project was quit.
in artemis there is same cpu as in herald but this cpu is in wizard to for example (and in some smartphone) and gps isn't integrated. in artemis this is a standalone chipset which i cant find on my heralds motherboard.. and.. even if that chip is somewhere on our mb's it will not work at all because of lack of antenna.
and between gps and gprs (edge) there are "huge" diffrence...
"edge gps converter"?
and this as a bonus for them who dont belive me that omap850 doesnt have gps implementation. http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...lateId=6123&navigationId=12000&contentId=4679
sorry for my english :/

It was probably misread from here.
Such a large portfolio makes it difficult to differentiate individual models substantially. A quick look at the technical specifications will reveal many similarities with the HTC P3300 (Artemis) that we reviewed recently, although the devices look completely different. In short, take out the GPS module and the unique HTC RollR™ control, add a slider keyboard and voila: we can herald a new device.
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How to let S200 get TMC signal over FM radio?

i've tried some methods got from this site but failed. The newest Hypergps can run and scan FM band on s200, but cant receive TMC signal. so i cant use TMC function in igo primo.
refer to:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=497977
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=512630

Hi,
seems neotouch and HD2-users are all stuck, because there is no information available on how to extract the TMC-info from the chipset.
So there has been no progress concerning the two in the threads you have already linked.
What makes things worse is, that you can have RDS-Info on the neotouch by default when listening to the radio.
So there is proof of principle, but without support from within the task to make TMC available to the device seems almost impossible, which in fact is a shame!
I would also love to have TMC available, right now the best substitute is trafficMate, unfortunately the information can't be used by igo for instance and there will be charges for wireless connection used.

smithy99 said:
Hi,
seems neotouch and HD2-users are all stuck, because there is no information available on how to extract the TMC-info from the chipset.
So there has been no progress concerning the two in the threads you have already linked.
What makes things worse is, that you can have RDS-Info on the neotouch by default when listening to the radio.
So there is proof of principle, but without support from within the task to make TMC available to the device seems almost impossible, which in fact is a shame!
I would also love to have TMC available, right now the best substitute is trafficMate, unfortunately the information can't be used by igo for instance and there will be charges for wireless connection used.
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good info,
it means that RDS Radio can get RDS data by using broadcomm dll, but Power Radio can't by using GFMAPI.dll.