Hi,
I have a Cingular 8525 with the unlimited PDAConnect data plan. From what I have gathered, tethering to a laptop requires the Cingular Laptop Connect plan (which costs more). I saw a program on the Internet called PDANet (for tethering) and I am curious as to how Cingular sees this data. Do they recognize it as PDAConnect data, or do they infact know that its a Laptop being tethered and bill appropriately?
I ask because I plan on using my 8525 for both PDA browsing and tethering. Not trying to circumvent anything here.
Thanks!
I think I answered my own question:
Connecting to the Internet using the Cingular 8525 USB to Windows XP via Dial-up Networking
SUBJECT:
Connecting to the Internet using the Cingular 8525 USB to Windows XP via Dial-up Networking
FACT:
Cingular 8525
Windows Mobile 5.0
Microsoft Windows XP
USB
SYMPTOM:
Modem / Tethering
ADVISORY:
Data charges are billed based on the subscribed rate plan.
Note: Customers who wish to tether with their PDA device and have an unlimited PDA data plan will need to upgrade their rate plan to a Data Connect Plan for Laptops. Unlimited Data Connect Plans for PDA do not include tethering capabilities and may incur additional charges.
If you connect on your phone with the [email protected] settings you can use the wireless modem program found on the Tytn extended rom and the drivers for XP/2000 found in this forum to connect without incurring any additional charges.
Search this forum for the answers, there are some specific posts that helped me out awhile ago. The drivers for XP/2000 also work for vista on my laptop in compatability mode.
Here is a post I had initiated awhile ago, It may help.
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I have the Cingular Unlimited PDA Connect plan, $40 extra on my plan. It's insane. However, I was told by every sales rep that I could go online with my laptop through this plan, and that it would be unlimited. However, after some research and reading through fine prints and other forums, it appears that if I connect my laptop to my 8125 and try to browse, I'll get charged per kb. I wonder how they know it's a laptop and not the PDA, considering the similarity in the data traffic.
My idea is this, can the Cingular 8125 be used as a "Proxy" or "NAT" Device? The PDA will connect to Cingular, and relay the laptops traffic. My assumption is, when used as a modem, your laptop connects directly to Cingular's network, it gets the public IP and its traffic is directly pushed on their network. If the PDA can act as a proxy or nat device, then the PDA will get the IP and push the data directly onto their network. The laptop will just connect seamlessly through the PDA. This should bypass their stupid billing.
They do realize that Verizon has 1-2mbits for $60-$80 a month unlimited for laptops. T-Mobile has 112kbits for $30 unlimited for laptops. Cingular's out of their mind to charge $80 for 112kbits for unlimited for laptops.
I don't plan on using my laptop much to go online through my PDA, 112kbits is already too slow for my taste, but as a network engineer, occasionally I need to telnet into a router or ssh into a server and the little clients on my pda isn't enough, need the laptop.
This feature may also be good for wireless hot spots I pay for. When you pay, sometimes they authenticate based on wireless mac address. If I registered using the pda, then only that pda would be allowed to go on, my laptop wouldn't, I'd have to pay another charge just for the laptop. If the PDA is a Proxy/NAT device, it would push my laptop's traffic onto the wifi network as if it were coming from it, from its authenticated mac address. Of for networks that only assign you 1 IP, like at work, or... etc.
i have the same phone and same plan. i was also wondering if they charged per kb if i used my phone as a modem.
anybody with a better experience?
Sadly...
http://www.cingular.com/business/popup_data_connect_terms
"Cingular PDA Connect plan: may only be used with compatible palmOne Tungsten W, palmOne Treo, Siemens SX56/66, Motorola MPx200/220, Audiovox 4100 or similar Cingular-certified devices provided that the device is not being used as a modem with other equipment (e.g., computers or ruggedized handhelds) through use of connection kits, other phone/PDA-to-computer accessories, Bluetooth?? or other wireless technology. "
Buried deep in their disclaimer.
how will they know? damn we need to do some testing. when my bill comes this month i'll let you guys know. I have only opened a couple of pages like cnet.com and google.com
tweaker said:
how will they know?
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I was wondering the same thing. I really want to use this to connect to my laptop when i'm doing business on the road.
After searching and reading tons of web pages, it appears they know because the phone connects to *99# when connected to the laptop.
So they can simply pick out all the calls to data and charge you for them!!!
I explained to my GF how i could use all the unlimited data i wanted as long as it was throught the phone, and how even though it's the same speed and data, i would be charged if it was connected to the same webpage through the laptop, and she simply replied:
"thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard!"
I agreed
Hope someone comes up with a work around for this.
skeppley said:
After searching and reading tons of web pages, it appears they know because the phone connects to *99# when connected to the laptop.
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Last month I was testing this conectivity and I did everything but put in the dialing string. Guess what, I was still abble to use the phone as a modem for my laptop. I've seen no difference in my bill even though I gave it a full testing, e-mail websites VPN to office etc.
As long as you use the WAP apn and not the Dataconnect apn you should be ok been using it for over 2 years with no extra charges...
thanks charrog and kyphur. Can either of you explain in a bit more detail of how you connect through the laptop. I'm not really sure of how to switch apn's, or even tell which i'm using. Excuse my ignorance, but i am very new to this. Thanks again.
I have been using the modem link in the phone,and setting up a dial up on the laptop and using *99# as the number.I made no other changes in the phone. Is this ok?
i'm confused. so do i get charged with my cingular unlimited pda plan? or no?
Folks,
I have a unlock Hermes with OEM Cingular Rom on a TMOBILE network with the 5.99 web package, I want to use the Hermes as a either wireless modem, bluetooth modem or a IRDA modem to connect to the Internet when I don't have broadband speed. Is this possible. I use to own the Wizard and I could use the internet sharing. Please provide this newbie with detail information on how to proceed. I have the HTC Modem drivers. I just need instructions. You folks all rock. Thank a million.
Here is a step by step for usb tethering.
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=860314
You will have to setup your network connection on your TyTN using this proxy: 216.165.155.50:8080 since t-mo has closed down the open ports on the $6 t-zones plan. You will not be able to stream, download files larger than 1mb, access https urls, instant messenging clients, and you may have issues with your java apps. If you need the open ports you can go to t-mo website and change your device to a blackberry and order the $20/mo blackberry unlimited add on and ditch the proxy. If not the $6/mo plan works fine for plain/jane websurfing. If you need more info on network settings check out the t-mobile wiki on hofo or the networking forum here.
How do I tether my Wizard (Cingular 8125) to my notebook PC so I can use my Wizard as a modem w/ my unlimited data plan? Usually there are drivers or something that you need to install on the PC side.
I've tethered my Motorola SLVR with no problems but I had the device drivers.
Hey guys,
My wifi router for my home office crapped out today, so for the first time I tried to do internet sharing on my 8525.
I could not get it to connect using the My ISP GPRS setting, but it does connect with Media Net.
However, per the AT&T site, and a post I read while trying to search this here, I think I'll get hit with add'l charges setting it up this way. Is that true?
And if so, how the heck can I connect via the recommended My ISP GPRS setting??
(By the way, I don't have a Media Net plan, I have the PDA data plan/Goodlink plan).
Please help!!! Thanks!
AT&T 8525 Internet Sharing
Here are the instructions for AT&T 8525 WM6 w/USB.
LouMessina said:
Here are the instructions for AT&T 8525 WM6 w/USB.
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That's the page I was referring to in my original note since it states: "IMPORTANT: All tethering must be done over the My ISP GPRS profile or isp.cingular APN. Tethering using the default MEdia Net profile or wap.cingular APN could result in additional data charges"
I am only able to connect internet sharing when set to Media Net, which is the way it says not to do it (but no other way works).
I just want to make sure i don't get socked with some crazy extra fees for doing this this way. (I do have the pda unlimited plan/goodlink plan, so i hope I don't get any data fees)
the PDA data plan only allows you access to the media net connection, and you are not suppose to tether using the pda data plan.......which is why that warning in there. there are countless threads out there covering this........you *might* be able to find them.
AT&T 8525 Internet Sharing
Check #6 in the instructions. These instructions assume you have set up a second My ISP connection using isp.cingular instead of wap.cingular. Try searching the AT&T site, possibly for "Laptop Connect."
I have the PDA plan and have been able to use My ISP (wap.cingular) for email and My ISP (isp.cingular) for tethering with no problem.
I have a windows mobile 6.1 smart phone (iPAQ 910c) that I would like to connect to the internet via a network modem Cellular Line (not Cellular Line-GPRS,3G) connection to my ISP's local 56k dial up numbers. (I don't want to pay $30 for a data plan for only occasional needs to browse when I am not near wi-fi, and I have 5 faves to use so calling the modem number costs me no air time.)
• I had no problem doing this on WM 5.0 with my iPAQ 6945 that I formerly owned.
• I can set up the same connection on my 910c, but I can not connect to my ISP. I get a general error message "cannot connect". I know the ISP number is working, because I have since connected with another 5.0 phone.
• I have tried the same connection on a few other WM 6.1 phones: the HTC Fuze and the Palm Treo. Same problem on both, so it seems a WM 6.1 issue.
I have spent several hours doing searches and reading blogs on this issue, and have found no help. Most related articles only speak of how to get a phone's GPRS connection to act as a modem for a laptop, which does not apply for my need.
I would be so thankful for any help or suggestions!
Do you have DUN installed? By default WM6 only uses "Internet Sharing", which works over a data plan. I never heard of what you did before, but if it worked in the past, it definitely used "Dial Up Networking" DUN.
You may want to install:
http://www.winmobiletech.com/sekalaiset/WM6_BT_DUN.cab
But's still not working for me...
I got this working on my Kaiser:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=473875&highlight=modem
You won't get 56K speeds though, you are limited to 9600 V.32 or V.34 modem speeds, unless the device you are calling is digital and can utilise ISDN standard V.110 in which case you can get 38400. Change the CSD line type and try....
Andy