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Hey,
Some of you may know the website: www.touch-innovation.com
I'm not going to advertise it's features - because that's not what I'm here for.
I'm basically wondering if anyone still uses it, or would still use it. And whether it warrants mine and others time to get it running properly again.
I've neglected it the past few months, mainly because of my work, i'm only 16 and my GCSE's are a month or 2 away. So it's a big time.
I think I can get it going again, make it more popular, get more programs etc. But only if people will use it. So do you think it's worth my valuable time at the moment?
And if there's anyone willing to help out, if you think it's worth it, now the time is to ask.
Thanks guys
Wonderful effort esspecially considering your age and other commitments.
I personally believe if you can do it and get high grades then do, but remember your GCSEs are very important university's and colleges will look at them and even more so employers. So be wise .
I'm in uni so I talking from my own experience know how important GCSEs can be to "success" then and "success" later.
Hey Napbree
It is a wonderful site and you can find all finger touch applications for PPC. I think that you should continue with the site and if you need any help in maintaining "Count Me In"
Well, i keep visiting it every week because it has good info.
Cheers mate.
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Wonderful effort esspecially considering your age and other commitments.
I personally believe if you can do it and get high grades then do, but remember your GCSEs are very important university's and colleges will look at them and even more so employers. So be wise .
I'm in uni so I talking from my own experience know how important GCSEs can be to "success" then and "success" later.
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exactly....the GCSEs are definitely what should be more important for you right now, whether that means to take a break from the site or to shut it down completely for the time being.....
Education should definately be the prioriy. But i also think you should try to keep the site going and let us help you in anyway we can. Ill start adding and updating software today. Maybe getting a few more people on board would help us out also?. Touch innovation has come along way, and it would be great to see it continually get better. But again, your future comes first. Thanks for letting me help on your site N.
dschoenike (Derek)
This is a Dev Related forum and this thread doesent belong here
(joking..) i agree with them, Studies first, later you'll have all the time for this
I agree with the rest. I'm in college right now and I can tell you, you will need good marks especially if your going to an institute. You've made a great site at an age that not many people (myself included) would even try to create much less maintain. School comes first though and trust me getting good on those GCSEs will help you immensely.
Im not sure of whats all involved with maintaning a website technically-wise, but could you like, put someone else in charge of it while you're taking care of more important priorities? My apologies for a probably silly question, but im just trying to help ya figure out keeping touch innovation going. Love that site
dschoenike
is tha site gone ? im geting: " Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '?' in /home/.axle/brennn/mobile.touch-innovation.com/index.php on line 1358 " When trying to access... dont think iv ever been to tha site.. will keep an eye out 2 see if it comes back..
Lol, the site works mate.. and its a very good site mind you, its just a little clustered like this forum on occasions and just needs some more organisation but none the less its definitely worth while if you can get each developer to post there apps there.
Also.. when did this forum become boredofstudies.org? O_O
Sorry for the mobile.touch-innovation.com, my error. Fixed now.
I think i've decided that because of all the work i've put into the site (site is coded from base up, not based upon anything.) and that I had already started another beta (where the design was re-hauled, and a load of new features + orginisation filters etc) that I am going to carry it on, but not let it take priority. So when I have 5-10 mins, I'll just code some more, or optimise it etc. After I;ve finished all of my c/w of course.
Any suggestions, and anyone looking to help out, post in here, and I'll get to you at some point. I;m off to bed, night
Napbree said:
Hey,
Some of you may know the website: www.touch-innovation.com
I'm not going to advertise it's features - because that's not what I'm here for.
I'm basically wondering if anyone still uses it, or would still use it. And whether it warrants mine and others time to get it running properly again.
I've neglected it the past few months, mainly because of my work, i'm only 16 and my GCSE's are a month or 2 away. So it's a big time.
I think I can get it going again, make it more popular, get more programs etc. But only if people will use it. So do you think it's worth my valuable time at the moment?
And if there's anyone willing to help out, if you think it's worth it, now the time is to ask.
Thanks guys
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yes please keep it going
I'll definitely keep using it regularly!
thanks for this cool site
Math
i would like to help maintain it im a senoir in high school and i need more experience for college so if you need help contact me
i think you need to delegate some of the duties of the website. but i generaly like the layout and have used it befor
nice effort keep it up
shouldn't GCSE be year end, or is it not?
Regardless, I agree with the rest, that your studies is more important at this point. It's always good to venture into something you like, above studies, but when it comes to examination like GCSE, you just have to priortise them accordingly.
The thing is, windows mobile plan to release a online store for all win mobile applications, so that means my little revenue will drop even more. And my laptop has now broke.. Not good.
Site is not working anymore, so was the decision to focus on education made and the site shut down?
Ceger
Foreword: I mean this in the most constructive way possible. While I'm not a <android> developer, it occurs to me that with the wealth of Android ROM-devs and an excellent base of testers (like myself, an unexcellent but present tester), there has to be a better way.
I love XDA-Dev as a resource, and it's been a godsend since I got my MT3G. I've had the opportunity to use some very well done builds which have been time-invested by their developers. I've learned a lot about my device, and am beginning to understand Android as a platform. Here's the beef:
Some ROM-posts are 1000+ pages long. While I could read all 1000+ pages if warranted, it's simply inefficient. What information am I after? I want to know:
Does it work on my phone?
What's the latest version?
Where's it at?
Are there any specific bugs on my phone with this build?
Who else is using this build, and what hardware are they using?
What bugs are being worked on?
What workarounds are applicable to this build?
What bugs are open and need community feedback?
etc...
Is there some sort of bug-tracking setup that could be used to facilitate this? I don't mean or intend to steer *anything* away from XDA-Developers, per se, but this current forum method doesn't seem very conducive to making forward progress.
<shrug> I know, I know, I'm a noob around here and should just work with the herd. I've seen other comments touching on some of these issues, so I thought I'd throw it out there. I apologize if it's been brought up before and shot down.
Hey, what about this? I was looking for a semi-authoritative list of Android ROMs that matched what I outlined above and came across it.
If I had the resources I'd volunteer time/materials to help the cause in that light, but being the schmuck I am (ya' know, working full time and school part time), I can't offer anything substantive. So while this might sound like a gripe, maybe it will compel someone else to make some magic happen. That, or have my account disabled
Any thoughts?
I understand where you are coming from.. but I don't find it that hard to find the rom and information I am after.. all it takes is a little time..
Why not help out by adding to the wiki?
I dont see how this has to do with development, you are just as guilty as the people you speak of.
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I understand where you are coming from.. but I don't find it that hard to find the rom and information I am after.. all it takes is a little time..
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I hear ya, it's just not a very concise method and I'm sure you've seen "what's the best build" & "will this ROM work on my phone" and "hey are there any issues with this build", etc...
xyzulu said:
Why not help out by adding to the wiki?
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I've thought about it, and went as far as the edit screen a few times. Then it's like "aww crap, here goes a few hours...". Back to homework
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I dont see how this has to do with development, you are just as guilty as the people you speak of.
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I think it has everything to do with development, advancement of the builds flying around here, and support of the folks that put their time into it.
Maybe you misinterpreted what I was saying, but I surely wasn't trying to assign guilt to anyone. Things are the way they are because they got that way - doesn't make it right, 'doesn't make it wrong. I just thought maybe there's a better way to support the community.
It's all good.
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I dont see how this has to do with development, you are just as guilty as the people you speak of.
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It's this kind of attitude that is putting a lot of people off. The OP has made some very good and valid points and deserves at least a response to the points he has made, not just a one sentence put down.
Been following IRC channels for the past few weeks. My impression is that the direction of development is unclear. Lots of side steps. Nobody is certain where to go next. Still there is a lot to improve. Maybe it’s a good idea to set up a development team with well defined functions instead of individual artists.
So here is my line-up.
Cotulla: obviously a very bright guy, but his weak point is probably communication. Should be at the centre of development. Can handle more tasks simultaneously. Position him as a knowledge base and think-tank. Not a single specialised task, that's a waste.
Markinus, Rajko, cass67, Hastarin. These are hands on guys. Can focus on the job to be done. Give them an area to deal with and they will deliver.
gauner1986: Jack of all trades. link between all other team members. Good guy to keep the spirit up and always supportive. Planner and supervisor.
LeTama: seem like the perfect guy to handle logistics and facilitate the whole team. Can also bring some good pointers to the table. Can probably manage the team.
Delenn, technician, hardware guy. Can give good support.
m-deejay: don't waste your breath, get on with it. He’s good at finalizing and give us an end product, although he's also perfectly capable of bringing in some valuable ideas and pointing out the right direction.
charansingh: New kid on the HD2 block, although he doesn't own one. I am impressed with his initial contribution, especially on IRC. This is the kind of quick thinking guy who is able to analyse the problem at hand and ask the right questions to come to a solution. This is a great quality. Could be an overall supervisor. Is to fast and erratic to manage the team.
Dcordes, darkstone: seem occupied with other matters atm. I hope there undoubted great knowledge can be used as advisors.
NetRipper: has done his (very good) part. Stated himself that he is out of it for a while now. Still, he facilitates IRC logs and is present to help out.
There are a lot of good devs not mentioned here, but the line-up is limited to 11. I love football (or soccer for out of Europe continents) so 11 it is
Yea, you are thinking “4tune, you know it all, don’t you”. This little exercise is not to criticize anyone, nor am I pretending to be right about all above. It is just a brief first impression. Still, my whole point is that developing could be better organized if the abundant talent is used the right way. In real live I would deal with it this way.
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Interesting read,
Its got some legs to it but I dont think it would run very far, ill tell u why without matching your word count
1. Your talking about developers/ creative people, in my experience, a quickfire way to kill creativity is to introduce an unfamiliar structure especially this late in the game, it can kill the flow.
2. I haven't had the time to follow the dev thread but from what I can gather these guys are dotted around the globe doing this in there spare time. What you propose would be great for a formal dev team within a company, I think adding that type of formality to this project would slowly kill it off.
3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression this is more of a hobby than work to them, they've come this far as an autopoietic group, taking away this freedom and assigning set roles may well kill the motivation.
So you see, you are going to kill hd2 android
I urge you to reconsider this thread, take it down before anyone gets these ideas
Interesting though!
Cotulla and Dellen are the same guy.
kam333 said:
Interesting read,
Its got some legs to it but I dont think it would run very far, ill tell u why without matching your word count
1. Your talking about developers/ creative people, in my experience, a quickfire way to kill creativity is to introduce an unfamiliar structure especially this late in the game, it can kill the flow.
2. I haven't had the time to follow the dev thread but from what I can gather these guys are dotted around the globe doing this in there spare time. What you propose would be great for a formal dev team within a company, I think adding that type of formality to this project would slowly kill it off.
3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression this is more of a hobby than work to them, they've come this far as an autopoietic group, taking away this freedom and assigning set roles may well kill the motivation.
So you see, you are going to kill hd2 android
I urge you to reconsider this thread, take it down before anyone gets these ideas
Interesting though!
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+1... these are people that are doing this as a hobby and for free. This isn't there job... they don't want people telling them what to do. Be grateful for what they have accomplished... we have one of the best android ports on a winmo phone available for our hd2s. If someone really wants a perfect running android and the hd2 port isn't good enough, get a native android phone that was meant for android. They have professional development teams like you suggest at HTC and Samsung and Google.
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kam333 said:
Interesting read,
Its got some legs to it but I dont think it would run very far, ill tell u why without matching your word count
1. Your talking about developers/ creative people, in my experience, a quickfire way to kill creativity is to introduce an unfamiliar structure especially this late in the game, it can kill the flow.
2. I haven't had the time to follow the dev thread but from what I can gather these guys are dotted around the globe doing this in there spare time. What you propose would be great for a formal dev team within a company, I think adding that type of formality to this project would slowly kill it off.
3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression this is more of a hobby than work to them, they've come this far as an autopoietic group, taking away this freedom and assigning set roles may well kill the motivation.
So you see, you are going to kill hd2 android
I urge you to reconsider this thread, take it down before anyone gets these ideas
Interesting though!
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I have to agree with this.
Lol! I had a good laugh reading this.
Too late to remove it!
It's funny to see how the others and I are perceived...
And, no, I don't want to be project manager, I do that for a living. Having hands in code is what makes it fun.
And yes, it's a hobby! Not work.
Anyway, no offense taken... Thanks for the smile
LeTama
I think that we have to give them a big kiss and a big applause for all they have done and accomplished! Great work to all of you guys! Keep it up!
don't sell MDJ short as a developers, his kernel is the best one IMO right now
mattfmartin said:
Cotulla and Dellen are the same guy.
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are you sure?
gianmich said:
are you sure?
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Yes he also uses Kosh and Sinclair.
orangekid said:
don't sell MDJ short as a developers, his kernel is the best one IMO right now
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I second dat
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Just putting it out there that I would love to be a tester for the Galaxy SII, I have the original one, I have flash and went through 90% of every ROM up for it in both sections the original section and regular section, I just love flashing and going through Roms and would love to just help out someone with there Rom and do whatever it is they need me to do as far as testing, please hit me back. I hope I posted this is the right place if not, I will watch the Noob video 20 times in a row for punishment.
ah ok...... that's an idea
Original SGS II ? No kidding! :|
At first, I thought of this as just a pointless thread - but you got me thinking... What if we were to create a thread where people can nominate themselves as alpha/beta/etc. testers for ROM/Kernel developers? The difference lying in that to be eligible for a position, you'd have to prove that you have basic knowledge of how to recover from, for example, a bootloop, or a device that won't even boot, or constant FCs, etc. etc., along with again, pretty basic ADB knowledge, how to create and restore a NANDroid backup, and things like that. It'd come with the usual disclaimer stating that all responsibilities lie with the user, not the developer, and while the developer may be willing to provide support for bugs, etc., they are not liable for any damage resulting either directly or indirectly from the use of their software.
This would solve two things - it would satisfy those who just can't stand to wait for the release of something, who like to always live on the bleeding edge of development, and it would provide the developers a huge testing platform.
In review, though, this provides to main issues: 1) people would only be able to test one thing at a time, e.g. you're not going to be allowed to test a beta ROM with an alpha kernel, for example - it creates too many variables, and makes it harder for the developers to isolate and fix problems - but this shouldn't be an issue for people, just pick what you want and stick with it, and 2) people who leak the otherwise tester-restricted software for the masses - but this can be solved easily: maintain a list of official testers. Anyone who comes begging for support because they went ahead and flashed some leaked ROM/kernel/whatever, and ended up without a working device without being on the list, can be denied support for breaking the rules. Moreover, they, along with the leaker, could potentially face site-imposed bans?
I'll cut the rambling here, but I think it's a good idea?
As a ROM developer, its a great idea.
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Thinking about it, not bad idea. But to back sceamworks up a bit, there should be a number of post limit, Some form of history for the dev`s to see who is a Noob (sorry Noobs) and who is not...
I'm in
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I like the idea and I too would be glad to help people testing there ROMs.
It also seems nice to have a thread where people (like me or the OP) can set them self available for testing.
Most real developers pick their team from watching the threads and see how is willing to put the time in and know how to properly test as well as offer ideas on fixes. But not a bad idea I guess for new rom developers
lodger said:
Thinking about it, not bad idea. But to back sceamworks up a bit, there should be a number of post limit, Some form of history for the dev`s to see who is a Noob (sorry Noobs) and who is not...
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I agree completely, I'd say 50-100 would be a fair starting point? I might PM some devs sometime soon with a proper proposal, and if I get a positive response from a majority of them, I might draft something, and get some official names on-board.
zelendel said:
Most real developers pick their team from watching the threads and see how is willing to put the time in and know how to properly test as well as offer ideas on fixes. But not a bad idea I guess for new rom developers
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I considered this, and I think if anything brings the idea down, it'll be that - it's a hard sell to make, and I'd love to say that there's no harm in trying, but really, there is, so I guess execution is everything?
Good idea, im in....
How does one replace the iffy Kingo SuperUser app with the trustworthy chainfire SuperSU? The AFTV news site has a comment from an unhappy brick owner without many details that worries me.
I now see the sticky about no questions but a 20 minute post throttle prevents me from moving it. Kindly moderation staff to the rescue?
simplifiedconfusion said:
How does one replace the iffy Kingo SuperUser app with the trustworthy chainfire SuperSU? The AFTV news site has a comment from an unhappy brick owner without many details that worries me.
I now see the sticky about no questions but a 20 minute post throttle prevents me from moving it. Kindly moderation staff to the rescue?
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Ive just made a guide for this process.
Its over at fire tv android development.
Thumbs up if I helped you.
sconnyuk said:
Ive just made a guide for this process.
Its over at fire tv android development.
Thumbs up if I helped you.
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link the "guide"
Spillunke said:
link the "guide"
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Maybe "look" for it?
Make it more complicate. Thats community friendly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/development/guide-fire-stick-replace-king-o-root-t3440923
People can be encouraged to show some effort. Theres nothing bad there.
Its called "showing some initiative", "reading before posting", trying to solve the small issues for yourself, instead of relying on the almost (just the law of averages...) always medicore efforts of letting someone else provide you with your personalized answer - while you dont care who provides you with it. Wait - who was that person again?
TLDR; and "could I get some help", "make it as simple as possible" are not in the long term interest of any community. Actually it produces more dependencies and encourages exploitation.
Trying to spin a short and a little angry response in a way that the "hey poolboy, park my car" perspective would be the better one, because its is more social, because poolboy parked the car of "everyone" - is just wrong.
But you did the right thing, looked up the posting and referenced it in here. Congratulations. Now think about if it was a real issue that you had to do it, and not the actual source of in this case the tutorial itself.
There is a huge difference between providing something out of your own free will and "demanding" it for your own benefit (but ultimately also the benefit of others).
In philosophy this is called the "false begger" principle.
You didnt need the help of others, you tried to get it anyway - as soon as that didn't work, you did the expected thing to benefit your self interest, then you turned around and complained - that it could have been easier. For others. But ultimately for you.
In the end, someone has to do the work. Why not you - instead of the person that already put hours into realizing something that wasnt possible for us beforehand and shared the information.
Don't try to make that guy feel bad. In the end, if many people contribute, everyone wins. But you don't get a say in how much everyone should provide. Thats the deal. If you dont like it - you dont have to participate.
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People can be encouraged to show some effort. Theres nothing bad there.
Its called "showing some initiative", "reading before posting", trying to solve the small issues for yourself, instead of relying on the almost (just the law of averages...) always medicore efforts of letting someone else provide you with your personalized answer - while you dont care who provides you with it. Wait - who was that person again?
TLDR; and "could I get some help", "make it as simple as possible" are not in the long term interest of any community. Actually it produces more dependencies and encourages exploitation.
Trying to spin a short and a little angry response in a way that the "hey poolboy, park my car" perspective would be the better one, because its is more social, because poolboy parked the car of "everyone" - is just wrong.
But you did the right thing, looked up the posting and referenced it in here. Congratulations. Now think about if it was a real issue that you had to do it, and not the actual source of in this case the tutorial itself.
There is a huge difference between providing something out of your own free will and "demanding" it for your own benefit (but ultimately also the benefit of others).
In philosophy this is called the "false begger" principle.
You didnt need the help of others, you tried to get it anyway - as soon as that didn't work, you did the expected thing to benefit your self interest, then you turned around and complained - that it could have been easier. For others. But ultimately for you.
In the end, someone has to do the work. Why not you - instead of the person that already put hours into realizing something that wasnt possible for us beforehand and shared the information.
Don't try to make that guy feel bad. In the end, if many people contribute, everyone wins. But you don't get a say in how much everyone should provide. Thats the deal. If you dont like it - you dont have to participate.
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Could not of said it better myself.
harlekinwashere said:
People can be encouraged to show some effort. Theres nothing bad there.
Its called "showing some initiative", "reading before posting", trying to solve the small issues for yourself, instead of relying on the almost (just the law of averages...) always medicore efforts of letting someone else provide you with your personalized answer - while you dont care who provides you with it. Wait - who was that person again?
TLDR; and "could I get some help", "make it as simple as possible" are not in the long term interest of any community. Actually it produces more dependencies and encourages exploitation.
Trying to spin a short and a little angry response in a way that the "hey poolboy, park my car" perspective would be the better one, because its is more social, because poolboy parked the car of "everyone" - is just wrong.
But you did the right thing, looked up the posting and referenced it in here. Congratulations. Now think about if it was a real issue that you had to do it, and not the actual source of in this case the tutorial itself.
There is a huge difference between providing something out of your own free will and "demanding" it for your own benefit (but ultimately also the benefit of others).
In philosophy this is called the "false begger" principle.
You didnt need the help of others, you tried to get it anyway - as soon as that didn't work, you did the expected thing to benefit your self interest, then you turned around and complained - that it could have been easier. For others. But ultimately for you.
In the end, someone has to do the work. Why not you - instead of the person that already put hours into realizing something that wasnt possible for us beforehand and shared the information.
Don't try to make that guy feel bad. In the end, if many people contribute, everyone wins. But you don't get a say in how much everyone should provide. Thats the deal. If you dont like it - you dont have to participate.
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Tl:dr
Doesnt work.
lofty5 said:
Doesnt work.
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Does work.
lofty5 said:
Doesnt work.
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Sure it does...you did not even bother answeringto my question in the original link but post here a blank statement...
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Sure it does...you did not even bother answeringto my question in the original link but post here a blank statement...
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What question.