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Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.
hawk971 said:
Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.
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This is standard behaviour when transferring data over 2G GPRS. It should not happen on 3G. I have received phone calls while using 3G data and the phone rang as normal.... I can't report about HSDPA (is there a simple way to check if HSDPA is actually used?)
anonimo said:
This is standard behaviour when transferring data over 2G GPRS...
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No, it's not, voice calls always have higher priority even in 2G networks.
Can someone else confirm this issue with Trinity?
banesi said:
No, it's not, voice calls always have higher priority even in 2G networks.
Can someone else confirm this issue with Trinity?
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Well.... it's the third time in a few days in this forum that I post something and I am told that I am wrong. The previous two times in the end I happened to be right, so according to statistics I should indeed be wrong this time!
However I think I might be right this time too! The standard behaviour with GPRS sessions is that they are interrupted when they are idle and an incoming call is received; if data is being transferred then the phone will be busy.
Obviously for outgoing calls the phone will stop the data session when you want to make a call.
(All this for GPRS on GSM)
PS: You don't believe me try to use a GSM phone as GPRS modem for a PC, start a large file transfer and try to receive a call.
anonimo said:
PS: You don't believe me try to use a GSM phone as GPRS modem for a PC, start a large file transfer and try to receive a call.
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Well, since I use GPRS internet for more than 3 years actively and have changed a couple of phones already I must say that GPRS system is projected in a way that voice calls are priority in any situation. In this years I have found that sometimes my phone is not reachable when I'm connected to a GPRS but that percentage is rather small, could be some other problems related to a base stations.
In your case I would think of contacting your operator, change phone or just change a carrier, being unreachable during GPRS sessions is something that I will characterized as bug, at least. NHF
banesi said:
In your case I would think of contacting your operator, change phone or just change a carrier, being unreachable during GPRS sessions is something that I will characterized as bug, at least. NHF
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You are right. It was a very common bug in the early Class B GPRS phones and I thought it was supposed to be like that, but indeed even a class B device should suspend the data session and ring when a call is received.
However I am reading in other forums that this is now happening again with HSDPA.... the joy of early adoption
anonimo said:
You are right. It was a very common bug in the early Class B GPRS phones and I thought it was supposed to be like that, but indeed even a class B device should suspend the data session and ring when a call is received.
However I am reading in other forums that this is now happening again with HSDPA.... the joy of early adoption
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I had some strange behavior like a busy signal when I had my phone set to 3G only, but I think it was because of marginal reception. I changed the frequencies to automatic and haven't had any problems since.
hawk971 said:
Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.
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Hello hawk971,
I have the exact same experience while being persistently connected on the Swedish HSDPA network (Hi3G) I cannot receive or even make calls, most of the time. It's like i can sometimes manage to "slip through" with a call, and even an incoming call can get through if i'm lucky. I have figured out that if i end the data connection and make the call, i can re-login with the connection and keep babbling on the phone.
The problem started to appear right after we moved to a different area where HSDPA is deployed, at first the problem was very sproadic, but now the network is growing, so does the blocked calls.
Luckily i get an sms from the 3 network saying that someone has tried to call without leaving a message, otherwise i'd be clueless.
I have considered contacting 3 operator to discuss this, but i reckon i might loose the HSDPA access then because i have only 3G subscription but somehow my phone (which is purchased without operator lock and not from 3) snaps right onto the HSDPA access nevertheless. I have a consistent 1Mbits/s DOWNLINK and 350kbits/s UPLINK connection while running TPTEST on the laptop and using the P3600 with internet sharing and USB-cable.
I so would like to be able to stay on the HSDPA but right now i am considering to drop the high-speed since the phone part is basically rendered useless. I am also using GpsGate in the car, so my internet is always on, transmitting position, i guess that makes the problem worse. I might have to drop that...
I had a friend told me he had the same problem with TyTn and Hi3G here in Gothenburg. That makes me think that there's no particular problem with my phone. Rather it's a network problem that they yet have to solve.
Anyway, that's a long post!
P.S. Does anyone know how i can disable/enable HSDPA on the P3600 easily?
Cheerio
just remove link to "enableHSDPA.exe" in \windows\startup folder and soft reset you phone.
I can't find this file (enableHSDPA.exe) anywhere in my P3600....
Bump!
SecureGSM can you please elaborate a bit on this .exe file. I have a standard HTC P3600 and I don't see this file anywhere in the file system.
i'd like to know how i enable HSDPA on my HTC P3600. has anyone had success doing so?
try the fit4cat regedit program
MontAlbert said:
try the fit4cat regedit program
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I recently installed the fit4can or HTweakC as it is now called from here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Registry. It allows you to turn off HSDPA and do other tweaks to your Trinity. No harm is done since you can turn the HSDPA back on again anytime. Since I upgraded to the new 1.38 Radio, I was picking up HSDPA all the time at home, and every time my phone was auto checking email I'd miss calls. This HSDPA "feature" needs a little work.
i just got the data plan (i got it for free until the 20th) and i really like it...i've relied on wifi throught all my ppc's and it's served well, but it sux being in an area not finding an unsecured connection...anyways, does anybody know how i can keepw wifi alive when i turn my display off? that's wat i love about the data plan, it keeps the internet on EVEN when the display is OFF...i couldn't get this to work on my 8125 and now not on my 8525..can anybody please help me fix this!!? thnx
anybody?.....
Didn't I reply to this already? Was it in another subforum?
EDIT: Oh yeah now I remember... your the guy that made way too many posts over in the cingular forums... did you get banned?
Don't forget to look at what I posted already about the keep internet sharing on and wifi... have a look around.
And also you can dupe ATT and get the MediaMax plan for 20 bucks if your willing to only use wap.cingular. saved me a ton of money
EDIT#2: yeah here's the other thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341930
uhhh i never read that other post...maybe if you had better directions (or didn't even that answer the question at all) that woulda been better....no need for being stupid now buddy
here ya go smartie... use the search
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341398&highlight=internet+sharing
intrglctcrevfnk said:
here ya go smartie... use the search
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341398&highlight=internet+sharing
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found that, looks useless smart one..thnx for trying to be a genious tho
wow... you read all of that in 3 minutes? you're the genius here!
i said i saw it befor smart guy...and thnx for the compliments
Ok. I feel better. Guess we got off on the wrong foot.
What I am trying to say is that it might be possible to use the mortscript program to keep the wifi from going into standby:
"Share&KeepSharingViaUSB.mscr" Mortscript
This script is included in the attached .zip file To use this script you must first download and install MortScript from here:
http://www.sto-helit.de/index.php?mo...=view&entry=65
or here:
http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com/en/index.php?soft=1448
This is an adaptation of Xiou's Share&KeepSharing script.
It turns off Wifi radio, starts hacked version of Internet Sharing app, connects and turns WiFi radio on. Once one valid connection has been made, reconnects if Internet Sharing enabled status status changes to disabled (ie. a disconnect occurs). Also, keeps device from going into standby mode, to prevent loss of WiFi connectivity.
It's heavily documented so it should be fairly easy to view, modify and understand by looking at it in a text editor.
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So, it might, and I stress might, be possible to use this to keep your phone in a constant state of wifi. However you might not be able to put your phone to sleep.
It applies to internet sharing but could be applicable to your problem.
It might be a hardware issue where the wifi chipset is forced into disconnecting while sleeping.
Seems like when the HTC guys engineered this that they knew the wifi would kill the battery life so they hardwired it to disconnect when put into standby.
It looks like it's not easily done (looking here and at cingular forums). Perhaps the guy at cingy that said to untick the auto disconnect might have a lead.
However I am a genius, but only at the minimum IQ score..
Good Luck
lol kk, thnx for ur help but i think i'm convinced that i shouldn't keep it on as it does seem to waste battery power..thnx for ur help and srry for acting a bit off
just wanted to thank intrglctcrevfnk for the tip about the mediamax bundle. Just added that 19.99 plan to my account, configuered the phone and now have unlimited access.
Does anyone know the point of the clock numbers next to the network label? Is it some kind of monitor to see how long someone is active with their network or does it start from 00:00:00 when the phone is switched on?
See on this thread called How to disable HTC notifications screen at the screenshot cgcmd posted (I'm sorry, the forum won't let me link at the mo as I'm too new)... Next to where it says 3G, mine used to say that or HSDPA (I think) but now it says T-Mobile Internet and it has a clock counting up. Is that bad?
I'm currently connected to my home wi-fi if that makes any difference.
Having said all that, I think I'd be more worried if it was counting down...
besca147 said:
Does anyone know the point of the clock numbers next to the network label? Is it some kind of monitor to see how long someone is active with their network or does it start from 00:00:00 when the phone is switched on?
See on this thread called How to disable HTC notifications screen at the screenshot cgcmd posted (I'm sorry, the forum won't let me link at the mo as I'm too new)... Next to where it says 3G, mine used to say that or HSDPA (I think) but now it says T-Mobile Internet and it has a clock counting up. Is that bad?
I'm currently connected to my home wi-fi if that makes any difference.
Having said all that, I think I'd be more worried if it was counting down...
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This means you have an active data connection (with T-Mobile)... If this is a good or a bad thing depends on the fact if you have or haven't got a data plan.
Grtz,
Degake
I'd just like to add to the above answer that most data plans are on volume not time (certainly in the uk) so an active data connection (which it is) doesn't mean you are necessarily being charged.
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This means you have an active data connection (with T-Mobile)... If this is a good or a bad thing depends on the fact if you have or haven't got a data plan.
Grtz,
Degake
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I have. Whew!
samsamuel said:
I'd just like to add to the above answer that most data plans are on volume not time (certainly in the uk) so an active data connection (which it is) doesn't mean you are necessarily being charged.
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Oh, that's good because I've disabled things that need a continuous internet connection like the weather for instance and update it when I really want to know.
I also check my online account and it's recording my non-wi-fi data usage at £0.00 charge, so that's reassuring.
The DX bootloader situation sucks... Hope this brightens up someones day...
This was tested on a Motorola Droid X Froyo 2.2(OTA) Rooted
Requirements:
Root(just kidding)
Stock 3G Mobile Hotspot Application
EasySwitch(Trial) by SmartDyne(Download from Market)
1. Download and Setup EasySwitch Widget
2. Fire up 3G Mobile Hotspot and wait for it to fully connect up (30 seconds?)
- If this is your first time running through this, open up your browser and go somewhere. You should get the Verizon Self Provisioning page... If not, you're wasting your money.
3. Now use EasySwitch to cycle the Radio *Off* then back *On* (Top row, 4th from the left... you must do this every time after you fire up 3G Mobile Hotspot)
Voila...
I know this process could be refined some... Who wants to help? #Free4All <- That was an invitation for dialog.
setNetworkPreference(ConnectivityManager.TYPE_MOBILE)
Update 10/9/10 2:55pm PST:
Who has root and more than 5 wireless devices? I only have 4...
/data/misc/wifi/hostapd.conf
max_num_sta = 5 <-- increase this number.
Someone test this...
Was Easywidget one of the stock widgets? This may have been some of the bloat I removed.
I believe the solutions is an app that does the following:
setNetworkPreference(ConnectivityManager.TYPE_MOBI LE)
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Was that in the buildprop? If so we can just edit it and be done with the process.
Probably could set up tasker to do something like this
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or just root the phone and download Wireless Tether for Root Users and be done with it.
lu270bro said:
or just root the phone and download Wireless Tether for Root Users and be done with it.
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The difference is you get to utilize Infrastructor mode.
lu270bro said:
or just root the phone and download Wireless Tether for Root Users and be done with it.
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No. Please don't come in a thread acting as if you know everything and have some simple fix with a smart alec response. Wireless Tether is ad-hoc mode, as is Barnacle. This method is access point instead, which some people need specifically as opposed to ad-hoc.
Gimpeh said:
Was that in the buildprop? If so we can just edit it and be done with the process.
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No, not a build.prop thing, it's an application programming thing... Long story short, 3G Mobile Hotspot switches your phone's data connection from "TYPE_MOBILE" to "TYPE_MOBILE_DUN", which shuts down you your data connection unless you you are subscribed to the 3G Mobile Hotspot service. Cycling 3G off/on in EasySwitch switches your data connection back to TYPE_MOBILE, while keeping 3G Mobile Hotspot open.
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No. Please don't come in a thread acting as if you know everything and have some simple fix with a smart alec response. Wireless Tether is ad-hoc mode, as is Barnacle. This method is access point instead, which some people need specifically as opposed to ad-hoc.
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TY... Not to mention 2.2 OTA broke security on both of those apps and made them really flaky... 3GMH has WPA2 and so far seems pretty stable...
I turn off and on my 3G and it shuts down my hot spot.
Wow! Seems like de-railing happens alot around here lately. LOL, so anyway, anyone up for trying to make a tasker profile for this?
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I turn off and on my 3G and it shuts down my hot spot.
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Sound like you might have cycled wifi instead. I was however incorrect in saying to toggle 3G, when what I really meant was to toggle *Cell Service* which is 4th from the left on the top row in EasySwitch. If it's still trippin, let me know what mods and such that you're running. I just figured this out earlier today so i don't know all the permutation of why it might *not* work. TY for the feedback.
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Sound like you might have cycled wifi instead. 3G is 4th from left on the top row in EasySwitch. If it's still trippin, let me know what mods and such that you're running. I just figured this out earlier today so i don't know all the permutation of why it might *not* work. TY for the feedback.
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3G is actually the Up & Down Arrows on Easy Switch. The Cell tower is just your basic cell service (non 3G), although it IS the one you must toggle.
Just wanted to clear that up.
This works GREAT by the way, thank you very much for posting!
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3G is actually the Up & Down Arrows on Easy Switch. The Cell tower is just your basic cell service (non 3G), although it IS the one you must toggle.
Just wanted to clear that up.
This works GREAT by the way, thank you very much for posting!
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Thanks for clarifying that. Changed the OP so people don't get confused. Guess I should have known that, but I'm new Android and Phone modding in general so some of the basic things slip by me..
Glad you found this useful. Your feedback is much appreciated!
Awesome, but is there any way to do this without EasySwitch?
e.g. adb? terminal emulator?
I just don't care much for payware, let alone crippleware. :/
I tried this at work ( vzw hahaha) on my phone the way you stated and also tried with another coworkers x. His browser redirected him to vzw provisioning page as described, mine did not since I used the method described. However I was still able to connect another phone to both mine and a coworkers phone. Makes me worry about being charged the overage rate. Any ideas?
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When connected to an x, fascinate redirected to vzw provisioning page. So this does work. Question is, will my bill sky rocket Haha. Gonna investigate further.
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tekahuna said:
The bootloader situation is sickening... Hope this brightens up someones day...
This was tested on my: DroidX 2.2(OTA) Rooted
Requirements:
Root(actually, probably not)
Stock 3G Mobile Hotspot
EasySwitch(Trial) by SmartDyne(Download from Market)
1. Setup EasySwitch Widget
2. Fire up 3G Mobile Hotspot
- If this is your first time running through this, open up your browser and go somewhere. You should get the Verizon Self Provisioning page... If not, you're wasting your money.
3. Use EasySwitch to Toggle *Cell Service* off/on(The Antenna Tower, Top row fourth from the left... you must do this every time after you fire up 3G Mobile Hotspot)
Voila...
I know this process can be refined some... Who wants to help?
I believe the solutions is an app that does the following:
setNetworkPreference(ConnectivityManager.TYPE_MOBILE)
This method may work on other VZ Android phones with a 3G Mobile Hotspot...
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if thats the case, why dont we just edit the apk with this option always on and re-sign it again?
AnomynousPierson said:
Awesome, but is there any way to do this without EasySwitch?
e.g. adb? terminal emulator?
I just don't care much for payware, let alone crippleware. :/
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ATM, I'm have not tested any other apps that are free that can provide the needed functionality. The other apps I saw on the market seemed to just switch between 2G/3G, and not actually cycle the data connection off and on. Flight mode cycles wifi too, so that's a no go. ADB/Terminal... I tried other methods for doing this, pppd up/pppd down... no go..
Again, this works because of VZ tries to switch our data connection from "mobile", to "mobile_dun", to try and ferry us down their pay pipe... Cycling cell service switches us back to a "mobile" connection while keeping the 3G Mobile Hotspot running.
This is a Work In Progress... I believe that a widget could be made to automatically catch when the data connection gets switched over, and hijack it back. I have good idea of API calls in Dalvik necessary to make this happen, but it's been about 10 years since I really got down on programming anything, and my thing was web interfaces with PERL, never really got into Java. I am interested in Android Developement, so I'm currently tinkering with putting this widget together, but I currently don't have the know-how to put it all together. So EasySwitch is kind of my Proof-of-Concept tool.
I feel you, though. EasySwitch is just the current work around. Does the job, though...
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Makes me worry about being charged the overage rate. Any ideas?
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When connected to an x, fascinate redirected to vzw provisioning page. So this does work. Question is, will my bill sky rocket Haha. Gonna investigate further.
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This should more or less be equivalent to Barnacle/Wireless Tether. They all just use your "mobile" data connection.
I believe this to be actually more covert than the "Free 3G Mobile Hotspot for Incredible" method, which actually uses VZ's "mobile_dun" pay pipe, and uses the customers "[email protected]" to authenticate.
So, your bill should not skyrocket.
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if thats the case, why dont we just edit the apk with this option always on and re-sign it again?
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This was another one of the possibilities I had in mind. I don't really understand how to Decompile .APK's. Do you know how to do this? If it is possible to modify the APK, I would actually just bypass the connection switching routine all together, and just move on to starting up the wifi side of things.
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If you know more about possibly making this work in this way, which actually would be the cleanest method possible, I'd appreciate any kind of help.
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^^^ This would run into C&D issues, huh? Back to - mobile()
Excuse me if this was covered elsewhere, but I am fairly new (at least not a regular) and this is my first time using WiFi with a cell
I have hooked up my router to my puter
Is it right that the main benefits u would get with your cell would be the minutes don't come from your bucket, if you don't have unlimited, and also you get near cable-like speed on the internet?
Well, the first does not apply, I have unlimited
The second does apply....sort of. When I turn on the wifi the speed of the net iis great. IF I come back to it a short bit later, it seems to freeze there. I can type, but it won't move, I dont that it moves if I switch off wifi, back to hspa+.
I have to turn it off then on. Can anyone please explain this?
Thanks a lot
eric
Please note that T-Mo Wifi Calling does use plan minutes. You should explain the second issue in more detail. Does the phone show the wifi icon in the notification bar when its frozen?
Thanks for the first part
I guess it is different than that calling from Wi-Fi called U? or H?
As for the second part yes no Wi-Fi symbol is still On up top . Everything up here is exactly as it was a few minutes prior when I was able to use the Wi-Fi on the web . Again I am not very good at this I will give you any information you need but please be patient and ask me for anything You need
Thank you
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Please note that T-Mo Wifi Calling does use plan minutes. You should explain the second issue in more detail. Does the phone show the wifi icon in the notification bar when its frozen?
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eric0668 said:
Thanks for the first part
I guess it is different than that calling from Wi-Fi called U? or H?
As for the second part yes no Wi-Fi symbol is still On up top . Everything up here is exactly as it was a few minutes prior when I was able to use the Wi-Fi on the web . Again I am not very good at this I will give you any information you need but please be patient and ask me for anything You need
Thank you
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Your wifi app is for calling only. If you want to use the web you connect to any wifi in your wifi settings. With your wifi calling, it does not use the web for anything but calling. Your regular wifi (what we used before they put wifi calling on some phones) is the only thing that connects to the web. Hope I cleared that up for ya!
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Your wifi app is for calling only. If you want to use the web you connect to any wifi in your wifi settings. With your wifi calling, it does not use the web for anything but calling. Your regular wifi (what we used before they put wifi calling on some phones) is the only thing that connects to the web. Hope I cleared that up for ya!
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lonlawrence, thank you I believe you misunderstood me. I am not speaking of using the WiFi app.
I am speaking of using WiFi speed for the internet
Please post questions in Q&A section
Thank you whosdaman, and thanks for moving it/them if it was you that did that
it is quite ambiguous as to the difference in the two, not helped when there are other questions in the mytouch general section. ...but thanks nonetheless
while you were moving the thread, did you take time to read it and see if you can help with the , what is a prolly very simple question to you
if you can help, great. If not , np
eric
You're welcome, and yes I did
And no I can't...I have no idea
Thank you
So, when you say you have no idea. It is not typical for it to lock up if you use wifi for internet or is it not common, as in you have not tried the wifi for internet.
Thanks if you have time to answer. I know ur busy moderating the forum
eric