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SMS? located where??

i want to transfer my text messages and my drafts folder onto my PC, or atleast back them up.... i cant locate it anywhere???
does anyone no where i can find the folder or file???
please anyone help me...

come on.... someone must know.... their are some pure geniuses on this board?! this cant of stomped them? or am i just being really thick?

I think they're either in Pim.vol or in database. They're normally hidden files though.
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I believe pim.vol is just contacts. I think maybe all the sms and email are in cemail.vol ::shrug::

cemail.vol - could be. I've only ever accessed them programatically, never externally I'm afraid... But aren't attachments etc stored locally and accessibly. I've never used email on the phone either, but I think there are some tweaks in this area, so I'd assume so.
V

SPB Backup will back them up for you as a self installable file on your memory card, so you dont really need to extract them in order to back them up & you can set the back-up to do only PIM details if you want.
Could always pull the backup file apart to see how they stored, but no easy way to access txt message storage otherwise, that I've seen anyway.

Indestructible files ???

Hi,
Hope someone can help me here - my O2 XDA Exec has been steadily getting slower and slower of late - been months since I installed anything new - takes several minutes to boot up...
Anyway decided to have a clear-out so deleted loads of messages, cleared out temp files, duplicate notifications etc. with Pocket Mechanic... then rebooted to see if my clean-up had helped.
It didn't - All the duplicate notifications came back - and so did all the text and MMS messages! I've tried 3 times now - even deleting everything in the deleted items folder - reboot and bang they're back again! What on earth is going on, and more importantly what can I do to sort it???
Thanks in advance!

Have you tried to delete them through active sync? when you explore your PDA? try that... just go to de folders you want and delete the files, like the files in the folder "Temp".
If you can not delete them... check the attributes of the file if they are read only.... otherwise you have the last resort to flash the same ROM or new ROM that you can find on this forum.
Have you check at settings/system/memory and see if you have enough free memory... have you tried at tab "running programs" and try to stop all... see if the pda gets noticable faster??

I can't try activesync until I get home from work...
According to the Memory utility I have:
9.28MB of free Storage Memory
24.07MB of free Program Memory
(I have 1.5GB free on my SD card but that's not really relevant)
There are no running programs listed in task manager.
What I don't understand is when I delete the messages - they vanish, same for the notification queue, so long as I don't reboot they're gone. Something during boot-up seems to be copying them back???

Try these... take your SD card out of your PDA... then delete the files you want... boot up without the SD Card and see if they are back.

Thought you might be on to something there... but nooooooooooooo :-(
Removed card, deleted, checked everything was deleted, rebooted (still without the SD card) and everything is back again! Bloody weird!
Cheers,
Steve

Okay.. hmmm.... which file explorer do you use? resco, standard file explorer of WM5.0 or total commander???
if you use other than the standard file explorer of WM5.0 try using that one... i have a feeling that you tried that one already...

For that last test without the SD card I was just deleting Text/MMS messages using the standard mail viewer software. Highlighting all messages, deleting them then emptying the Deleted Items folder...

Steve-L said:
For that last test without the SD card I was just deleting Text/MMS messages using the standard mail viewer software. Highlighting all messages, deleting them then emptying the Deleted Items folder...
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How about the option in Text messages to clear all text messages? (Dont think it actually empties the deleted folder though - thats a manual process)
Remember reading that after creating a new email account, if the universal is soft reset within 5 minutes, then the account will not be saved. Perhaps the reverse is true in that you have to wait 5 minutes after deleting before resetting.
Matt

matt1971 said:
Remember reading that after creating a new email account, if the universal is soft reset within 5 minutes, then the account will not be saved. Perhaps the reverse is true in that you have to wait 5 minutes after deleting before resetting.
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Give that man a cigar!
Deleted - waited 10 minutes (to be extra safe) and rebooted. Messages remained deleted. What an annoying "feature" - must have always been like that but I've never rebooted soon enough to notice!
Now to see if the same applies to the notification queue :?: EDIT: Yes it does!
Thanks,
Steve

Yeah there is an entry in the notifications queue, repllog or something like that, that fires every 5 minutes. Its purpose seems to be to write changes that you've made from cache RAM to the built-in flash storage memory, the idea is that it extends the life of the flash memory and probably the battery too.
So if you make changes to things like outlook and the notifications queue and then soft reset without waiting at least 5 minutes, then you will lose those changes. Really the OS should be saving those changes whenever you request a soft reset, a minor bug perhaps, but one that should be easy to solve with a third party app...

Upgraded ROM - 'People' still there??!

Hi,
Very confused about what happened during a ROM upgrade..
I went from 1.43 to 1.48, immediately following which I did a hard reset (perhaps not strictly necessary however commonly believed to be best practise when flashing ROMs).
HD2 started up, did it's initialization customisations, asked for my provider etc. I then went through and configured my connection with my Exchange Server and all my data sync'd up - all normal so far.
So now I had a fresh install, just with my Exchange data on (contacts / calendar / email etc). Definitely a clean install (just to emphasis the point!) as obviously my app shortcuts weren't there from the home screen, my weather cities of choice weren't there but instead the default, etc etc etc. All as expected.
BUT..
I flicked to the People (contacts) section of Sense (the second tab by default) and to my surprise there were the six faces of the people I had configured previously!! They were in the wrong order (no logic to the new order) but yup they were there!! VERY STRANGE!!
The only thing I can think of is either a) such configuration is stored on the storage card (which obviously isn't wiped during ROM upgrade) or b) it is somehow stored and sync'd back in the individual Outlook contact records themselves (unlikely I'm thinking..).
Any comments??! Even if just to confirm? Or am I going completely mad!!

Same here - very random - my photos and music have been juggled around too...

SimonW500 said:
Hi,
it is somehow stored and sync'd back in the individual Outlook contact records themselves (unlikely I'm thinking..).
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It is this^
When you add in a contact to favourites in sense and sync back to exchange, you will notice that your contact has been added to a category called "HTC Favourite".
Check Outlook on a PC to see the categories your contacts are assigned to.

Thanks for the quick reply and confirmation - good to know I'm not going mad!
So can someone explain how this is done? ie. kept on storage card / sync'd back to Exchange / AN Other?
I'm particularly concerned if it is sync'd back to Exchange, as until now I often try quite a few Windows Mobile devices and enter in my Exchange details etc on the assumption that nothing that particular device does is actually kept once I wipe the phone.

Audio Oblivion said:
It is this^
When you add in a contact to favourites in sense and sync back to exchange, you will notice that your contact has been added to a category called "HTC Favourite".
Check Outlook on a PC to see the categories your contacts are assigned to.
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Wow - another amazing quick response!!
Excellent - thanks for the info - well spotted! Now despite my above comment I can live with this more than happily, actually see it as a useful feature!
Thanks again.

Moving People around?
Following on from the above (loosely!)..
Is there an easy way to move the ordering of these shortcuts around?
Being the picky individual that I am (!) I have them in a certain order, which effectively means that even though the right people are 'remembered' I still have to delete and create them all again to put them in the right order.
Thanks again..

Your photo and Music are located on your SD card. SD card is not impacted by either HARD RESET or Memory Flashing.
You favorties contacts are part of a group... And this informations is stored in the contact information on your Exchange server (like if you've put them in a group named "Restaurants" "Best Friends", etc. But it's not storing their positions; If you flash hard reset multiple times, it will always put them in the same position. (Sync order? Older first? By phone number? no idea right now)
For the other informations (shortcuts) it's not saved either on your SD card, MyPhone account nor Exchange server... no way to get them back automatically..

Kridek said:
Your photo and Music are located on your SD card. SD card is not impacted by either HARD RESET or Memory Flashing.
You favorties contacts are part of a group... And this informations is stored in the contact information on your Exchange server (like if you've put them in a group named "Restaurants" "Best Friends", etc. But it's not storing their positions; If you flash hard reset multiple times, it will always put them in the same position. (Sync order? Older first? By phone number? no idea right now)
For the other informations (shortcuts) it's not saved either on your SD card, MyPhone account nor Exchange server... no way to get them back automatically..
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Good summary - spot on!
It seems with this little integration of Outlook groups, and the use of MyPhone, re-flashing roms or hard resets are getting slightly more "user friendly". I realise there a 3rd party apps to do this (and more) however to me half the beauty of doing such a flash/reset is to NOT carry things over other than pure data (ie. not config)..

People
The faces images info is stored in the pim.vol but whatever you used to reinstall contacts(Exchange?) has sorted them in the wrong order.
I use a method which comes from doing countless rom upgrades.
I used sashimi but realised all it was doing was copying and restoring the pim.vol
Don't use PIM backup as going back & forth from backup and restore seems to lead to corrupted pim.vol files. I know you haven't done that but just a warning.
The way to get a mirror restore, is to copy the pim.vol file in the root folder(device\) before reinstalling to your sd card or pc, then copy back over the empty pim.vol after reinstalling. You can't do it in the device explorer or in activesync but with resco explorer or fexploreext you can. I avoid activesync so I don't get either duplicates or wiped out contact/calendar info. This may seem laborious but after hundreds of rom flashes it has value in being quick and safe. I have 450+ contacts I have accumulated in 7 years of owning PPC/WM's and always have a plethora of calendar items which I can not afford to lose or have corrupted.
If you want to backup sms's you can use PIM Backup.
Maybe you would find it easier to use MS Myphone. I have avoided it so can't give a review.

Pure data
Pure data is great, but once there are uc(user customisation) compliant Leo roms, there will be available, a beautiful way of reconstructing about 80% of all settings, applications and shortcuts. It restores all one's customisation in pristine order, with only the new rom's updated functions.
SimonW500 said:
Good summary - spot on!
It seems with this little integration of Outlook groups, and the use of MyPhone, re-flashing roms or hard resets are getting slightly more "user friendly". I realise there a 3rd party apps to do this (and more) however to me half the beauty of doing such a flash/reset is to NOT carry things over other than pure data (ie. not config)..
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Xaddict said:
The faces images info is stored in the pim.vol but whatever you used to reinstall contacts(Exchange?) has sorted them in the wrong order.
I use a method which comes from doing countless rom upgrades.
I used sashimi but realised all it was doing was copying and restoring the pim.vol
Don't use PIM backup as going back & forth from backup and restore seems to lead to corrupted pim.vol files. I know you haven't done that but just a warning.
The way to get a mirror restore, is to copy the pim.vol file in the root folder(device\) before reinstalling to your sd card or pc, then copy back over the empty pim.vol after reinstalling. You can't do it in the device explorer or in activesync but with resco explorer or fexploreext you can. I avoid activesync so I don't get either duplicates or wiped out contact/calendar info. This may seem laborious but after hundreds of rom flashes it has value in being quick and safe. I have 450+ contacts I have accumulated in 7 years of owning PPC/WM's and always have a plethora of calendar items which I can not afford to lose or have corrupted.
If you want to backup sms's you can use PIM Backup.
Maybe you would find it easier to use MS Myphone. I have avoided it so can't give a review.
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Good tip with with pim.vol file..
For what it's worth, I too have a similar amount of valuable contact and calendar data, however to date I'm pleased to report no amount of heavy ActiveSync (direct Exchange Server connection) abuse has caused any serious issues.

Activesync issues
There's always a first time, and 2nd and so on...
p.s. I'm not sure I want to flash roms the way I did on my HD,
but when I was doing it, activesync gave me a lot of problems.
SimonW500 said:
Good tip with with pim.vol file..
For what it's worth, I too have a similar amount of valuable contact and calendar data, however to date I'm pleased to report no amount of heavy ActiveSync (direct Exchange Server connection) abuse has caused any serious issues.
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Xaddict said:
There's always a first time, and 2nd and so on...
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LOL - very true! For this reason I try to take a copy of all my contacts within Outlook at least once a month; both protects me from any wayward devices as well as any modifications I may make and then regret (change of numbers, deletions etc!).

I love this feature
usually , one had to reconfigure all the favorite contacts after a hard reset.
Now, when syncing with Exchange, like said above, your favorites will be restored with pictures and all. Great
Never had them pop back in in the wrong order though.

lucid said:
usually , one had to reconfigure all the favorite contacts after a hard reset.
Now, when syncing with Exchange, like said above, your favorites will be restored with pictures and all. Great
Never had them pop back in in the wrong order though.
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Same here, I upgraded from HD to HD2, as soon as i sync with exchange i got my favs back in the correct order with all my emails , text messages etc etc.

Best backup solution for HD2?

Afternoon XDA!
I plan on a bit of a rom flashing marathon on my phone this next week to see what else is out there and perhaps even teach myself a thing or two.
My question is - which application is best for backing up my contact and SMS (and perhaps shortcut) data for the HD2? On older devices I've used PIM backup to take care of contacts and messages, but with the HD2's Facebook integration will this method work? I'd ideally not have to link everyone back up with their profiles after flashing.
I've heard that SPB backup may have issues if restoring from one rom to another so not sure how well it'd work.
What's your recommendation?
Thanks

Hi there,
Spb backup works great for me. Had tried some others but have been using spb backup 2.0 since my Touch HD. Never had any problem.
HTH,
Sam.

I also use SPB Backup.
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I'm more than happy using MS myphone - backs itself up each night so I don't have to think about it. 200MB of storage, can even do pics and vids.

Hi, I use Myphone and Googlesync for my backups. Additionaly installed apps are on my PC or my Marketplace or PocketPCfreeware accounts and my data is on my SD card and PC. I think one of the problems people have experienced when they use full backup programs is if they accidently restore the registery from their old configuration over their shiny new system. Oh and one of my friends lost all his Footprints when he flashed without exporting them to his SD card (using the Export feature of Footprints).
Hope this helps.

cMMY69 said:
Hi, I use Myphone and Googlesync for my backups. Additionaly installed apps are on my PC or my Marketplace or PocketPCfreeware accounts and my data is on my SD card and PC. I think one of the problems people have experienced when they use full backup programs is if they accidently restore the registery from their old configuration over their shiny new system. Oh and one of my friends lost all his Footprints when he flashed without exporting them to his SD card (using the Export feature of Footprints).
Hope this helps.
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How do you use google sync on the hd2? is there an app that I have to download?

Spb backup works great for me too!

Hi, Googlesync involves configuring an Exchange server at the address m.google.com in ActiveSync on your phone. It will then treat your GMail as an Exchange Server and you will have options on what to sync. Here is the info at Google: http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299. 2 key points noted by Google; Back up Calender and contacts first (I suggest MyPhone) and don't try and sync tasks.
Regards.

cMMY69 said:
one of my friends lost all his Footprints when he flashed without exporting them to his SD card (using the Export feature of Footprints).
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But using export, you have to do it one by one. Is there a way to export all the footprints?
I found that it is easier just to restore the footprint folder content and all my stuff is back.
By the way, I just learnt that HD2 came bundled with Sprite Backup! At least in the HK versions. I don't know why HTC hasn't talked about it anywhere. It is sitting on my SD card and I never knew that it was there.

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But using export, you have to do it one by one. Is there a way to export all the footprints?
I found that it is easier just to restore the footprint folder content and all my stuff is back.
By the way, I just learnt that HD2 came bundled with Sprite Backup! At least in the HK versions. I don't know why HTC hasn't talked about it anywhere. It is sitting on my SD card and I never knew that it was there.
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Yes, you can restore the foorptints folder, if you have backed it up to start with. That hadn't occurred to my friend

Good stuff
I want to back up my HD2 (full backup). Any software that works to restore everything as it was, e.g. contacts, sms, email account, facebook links with contacts, cab files, quicklinks etc?

undacova786 said:
I want to back up my HD2 (full backup). Any software that works to restore everything as it was, e.g. contacts, sms, email account, facebook links with contacts, cab files, quicklinks etc?
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Just make sure to copy all the files on your phone to a backup location
Or try PIM Backup: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299705

use spb movilbiles

SPB backup is the best, for me.

All full backup apps can have attendant problems if used from one flash ROM to another (ie not just a reflash of the same ROM).
They carry over file associations, registry settings etc and I believe contribute to instability issues.
So be aware and use them at your own risk.
For everything else (PIM, texts, browser favourites etc) MyPhone is sweet.

SPB Backup has an option to restore after a ROM upgrade. Though this doesn't work flawlessly (e.g. not all shortcuts were retrieved and had to be created manually) it does do the important things.

I have always used SPB Backup, never had an issue.

I use Microsoft Myphone. I dont get what the issue with it is. I dont both backing up texts as last time I did it was boring waiting for 4000 texts to restore back to the phone. I store all pics/music on my memory card so its only a case of contacts, bookmarks, calendar etc. All my FB links seems to magically reappear as well. I think this might be something to do with the Facebook tab though. *Credit to who ever built it*

I know im a newb. But how do you restore from my phone. Im new to windows mobile. I lost all contacts, calendar entries, etc. I saved to microsoft my phone, but how to restore? Also backed up to a few other outlets but cant figure out howto restore any of them. LOL

Sprite Backup for me. http://www.spritesoftware.com/
It's perfect, backups anything you want, including SD card. Using this with my Samsung Omnia sometimes gave an error in the report (although it didn't have effect on installing my backup!) but with the HD2 it doesn't even give this error. Backing up is easy, just set preferences and run it! The backup is an exe-file that you run from your device or SD card after you've done a hard reset. It basically saved my life several times after having to do hard resets!

Backup Assistant on Redemptive Revolution

First off I am a total newb so please excuse me for being stupid.
I just rooted my phone with the help of a friend (my phone was force closing everything), we used titanium backup and installed the new rom.
The problem is that I do not have contacts in the new rom. I restored using the backup file and the contacts are still not listed in people. Everyone is there when I open up 'phone' and I can type in and call people as if they are a contact, but they arent in listed in 'people' The phone still has all the same problems in the original restore so I would definitely like to use the new rom.
can I used backup assistant to get my contacts on the new rom? How do I do it?
Thanks.

First thing I would go to is the people icon, select menu, then view. See if the folder that has contacts listed is checked off.
There should be no reason you can see the contacts when you use PHONE but not people.
The other thing you should do is have all your contacts sync'd with Google. When you flash a ROM, you should Backup existing and wipe all. You will then need to re-setup all your settings/Email accounts. If you use Titanuim, you should use it to install apps only, not data as well.
If you have all your contacts as Google contacts, when you re-set up your GMAIL, it will automatically re-load your contacts.

spence341 said:
First thing I would go to is the people icon, select menu, then view. See if the folder that has contacts listed is checked off.
There should be no reason you can see the contacts when you use PHONE but not people.
The other thing you should do is have all your contacts sync'd with Google. When you flash a ROM, you should Backup existing and wipe all. You will then need to re-setup all your settings/Email accounts. If you use Titanuim, you should use it to install apps only, not data as well.
If you have all your contacts as Google contacts, when you re-set up your GMAIL, it will automatically re-load your contacts.
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I use BA also. how can I get it?

v941726 said:
I use BA also. how can I get it?
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What Rom are you running? If you are on Redemptive like the OP stated they were, after you flash the Rom (2.1.2 or 2.1.3), there will be a folder on your SD Card named Redemptive. In that folder is a flashable zip for BU Assistant.
As I stated in my previous post, Syncing with Google it the easiest way to do this. I do not have anybody saved under PHONE contacts, they are all Google or Exchange Active Sync.

spence341 said:
What Rom are you running? If you are on Redemptive like the OP stated they were, after you flash the Rom (2.1.2 or 2.1.3), there will be a folder on your SD Card named Redemptive. In that folder is a flashable zip for BU Assistant.
As I stated in my previous post, Syncing with Google it the easiest way to do this. I do not have anybody saved under PHONE contacts, they are all Google or Exchange Active Sync.
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yeah. I found it. i dont like syncing with Google though

Backup Assistant created issues for me though because I would be getting 3 or 4 duplicate entries for the same person. Even though you can link the entries together which is very convenient, if you have to edit one you would get a choice of editing the home number under google and sometime 2 or 3 copies of the other number listed under "phone". What I would do is export a copy of the contacts to the SD card as a csv file, and then import them again immediately under the "google" option. That way everything you have is all under one label.

Hypcrsy said:
Backup Assistant created issues for me though because I would be getting 3 or 4 duplicate entries for the same person. Even though you can link the entries together which is very convenient, if you have to edit one you would get a choice of editing the home number under google and sometime 2 or 3 copies of the other number listed under "phone". What I would do is export a copy of the contacts to the SD card as a csv file, and then import them again immediately under the "google" option. That way everything you have is all under one label.
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BA worked very nice with other roms. but id rather use this rom