Hello.
I bought a stereo headset from Qstarz "BH-Q395S".
Using no tweaks.. Quality is low. Like low bit rate.
Using the fit4cat tweaker , sound sounds as it is higher quality BUT it is distorted in the high`s.
Is this the normal problem everyone is having ?
What can I do ?
Does ROM updates help this issue ?
Do you think the HTC headset will be better (s100)?
BTW. When paired with my PC , sound is great.
oholic said:
Hello.
I bought a stereo headset from Qstarz "BH-Q395S".
Using no tweaks.. Quality is low. Like low bit rate.
Using the fit4cat tweaker , sound sounds as it is higher quality BUT it is distorted in the high`s.
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The A2DP support in pre-AKU3 MS BT stack sucks and this can't really be helped. AKU3 is said to have eliminated this problem.
Also see my article on this very subject here at the General forum (I cross-post all my articles here): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282017
Note that the article is discussed actively over at PPCT, HowardForums and my blog too; see http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1400&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 for further links.
oholic said:
What can I do ?
Does ROM updates help this issue ?
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Hope AKU3 will indeed be better.
Do you think the HTC headset will be better (s100)?
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I don't think so. It might be better (as are some - few! - models, for example, the Jabra), but I wouldn't hold my breath for it.
So there is hope for the future..
The question is when and if will "AKU3" be avilable for the tytn ?
Can the MS BT stack be changed?
Menneisyys said:
The A2DP support in pre-AKU3 MS BT stack sucks and this can't really be helped. AKU3 is said to have eliminated this problem.
Also see my article on this very subject here at the General forum (I cross-post all my articles here): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282017
Note that the article is discussed actively over at PPCT, HowardForums and my blog too; see http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1400&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 for further links.
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1, the release date of the TyTN AKu3 ROM (if any) is unknown
2, the A2DP quality issues of the pre-AKU3 ROM can't be fixed (unless someone extracts the related DLL files from an AKU3 ROM in a way that is compatible with previous ROM's).
The only way to avoid the quality issues is going staright for the Jabra headsets (or going for another PDA with the Widcomm BT stack - or any Palm OS device, for that matter). See my discussions of this issue over at PPCT and HowardForums.
Menneisyys said:
1, the release date of the TyTN AKu3 ROM (if any) is unknown
2, the A2DP quality issues of the pre-AKU3 ROM can't be fixed (unless someone extracts the related DLL files from an AKU3 ROM in a way that is compatible with previous ROM's).
The only way to avoid the quality issues is going staright for the Jabra headsets (or going for another PDA with the Widcomm BT stack - or any Palm OS device, for that matter). See my discussions of this issue over at PPCT and HowardForums.
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Or manage to hack the Widcomm stack to make it work on the TyTn like it was done for the axims.. i seriously make a donation if someone would make that happen. Heck, i'd even purchase it if Broadcom was willing to sell it..
Adi
adisor19 said:
Or manage to hack the Widcomm stack to make it work on the TyTn like it was done for the axims.. i seriously make a donation if someone would make that happen. Heck, i'd even purchase it if Broadcom was willing to sell it..
Adi
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Post a "donation thread" ("let's collect, say, 500 bucks and give to the first hacker that manages to do it") to "Dev and Hacking" here as was done on AzximSite, it may speed up hacking / developing
Menneisyys said:
The only way to avoid the quality issues is going staright for the Jabra headsets (or going for another PDA with the Widcomm BT stack - or any Palm OS device, for that matter). See my discussions of this issue over at PPCT and HowardForums.
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Why? I can replace mine with jabra one.. but.. whats the diffrence ?
I was really hoping to purchase an i-Mate JasJam in the next few months to use with my Plantronics 590As ... fingers crossed we have an AKU3 ROM update by then!
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Why? I can replace mine with jabra one.. but.. whats the diffrence ?
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The HowardForums folks say the pre-AKu3 MS BT A2DP works flawlessly with the Jabra 620, unlike with the 590A and some other models.
I have a Jabra 620 and I'm not that impressed. The only headset I have had which worked completely flawlessly was an Itech S35 (but no AVRCP unfortunately).
I'm currently using a Nokia HS-12W which only hiccups if the Hermes is busy doing other things (but I've had to set the bitpool value to 48 decimal to achieve that).
All in all, I can't wait to see what happens when AKU3 arrives! Just as long as they don't break more than they fix ;-)
stooby said:
I have a Jabra 620 and I'm not that impressed. The only headset I have had which worked completely flawlessly was an Itech S35 (but no AVRCP unfortunately).
I'm currently using a Nokia HS-12W which only hiccups if the Hermes is busy doing other things (but I've had to set the bitpool value to 48 decimal to achieve that).
All in all, I can't wait to see what happens when AKU3 arrives! Just as long as they don't break more than they fix ;-)
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Thanks; is the 620 THAT bad? (I havenb't ever tested it; it's only by others' telling that it doesn't sound THAT bad with the MS BT stack)
Just Check!
Menneisyys said:
The A2DP support in pre-AKU3 MS BT stack sucks and this can't really be helped. AKU3 is said to have eliminated this problem.
Also see my article on this very subject here at the General forum (I cross-post all my articles here): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282017
Note that the article is discussed actively over at PPCT, HowardForums and my blog too; see http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1400&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 for further links.
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We all know that this BT stereo implimentation sucks! Main problem is that EDR is not implemented correctly (note bumph on this phone does not show it as others do!) BUT!! if you have tried to use ANY A2DP enhancement CABs then make sure you have usejointstereo set to 0 and pick up an iTech clip S35 (as they work OK without EDR) to use with any decent headphones and you will be fine...
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Thanks; is the 620 THAT bad? (I havenb't ever tested it; it's only by others' telling that it doesn't sound THAT bad with the MS BT stack)
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The sound quality on the 620 is reasonable and it doesn't actually skip too badly, but I find that the RF performance is sadly lacking - if I use it anywhere where there's any other wireless signals around, it keeps giving periods of silence. For example, if I try to use it when shopping in the nearest supermarket to my office, from the moment I go into the store, I can only get odd bursts of music - about 1 second for every 5 seconds of silence. When I leave the store, it reverts to working reasonably again. This isn't just with my Hermes, it used to do exactly the same when using it with my Wizard as well.
The Itech S35 is the only A2DP device that has ever worked perfectly with my Hermes (with the bitpool set to decimal 58) without any skipping. Unfortunately, I really wanted AVRCP, so I've just bought a Nokia HS-12W and I'll see how that performs. So far I've had to set the bitpool down to decimal 30 to eliminate skipping, but I can live with that.
Farsquidge said:
Main problem is that EDR is not implemented correctly (note bumph on this phone does not show it as others do!) BUT!!
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Let me disagree. EDR has little to do with this stuff as you do NOT need EDR to transfer stuff at 256 or 320 kbps. It certainly good to have but is not a requirement for A2DP. This is why, for example, BT 1.1/1.2/2.0-without-EDR-only Widcomm or Palm OS devices have no problems with the sound quality (ever tried to listen to a, say, year 2003 Tunfgsten T3 to A2DP? It is flawless.) - unlike with the MS BT stack.
I'd say this is ONLY an algorithmic problem in the A2DP encoder in the MS BT stack. (I've pretty much gone into details on the matter in my articles and over at PPCT and HowardForums. The problem can not be fixed by any recently known hacks.)
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The Itech S35 is the only A2DP device that has ever worked perfectly with my Hermes (with the bitpool set to decimal 58)
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Haven't you encountered the "when there's any kind of singing, there's an awful lot of distortion" symptom with this headset?
Menneisyys said:
Haven't you encountered the "when there's any kind of singing, there's an awful lot of distortion" symptom with this headset?
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Yes, there is some distortion but I found it bearable if I was using a decent pair of headphones plugged into the S35.
I should point out that I'm no audiophile!
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I'm looking for a way to redirect my TomTom voice instructions from my MDA Vario through my Parrat CK3300 BT carkit sounding on my car-speakersystem by using the bluetooth stack. Now Parrot claims this isn't possible due to a phone limitation. I agree and think it's shortage of Microsoft WM5. Now I've looked up some info about Bluetooth Audio Distribution and found the following:
Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP)
AKU 2.0 for Windows Mobile 5.0 (for both, Smartphone and Pocket PC), which is expected to be released early next year (2006), will also includes support for the Bluetooth Advanced Audio Distribution Profile profile which is designed to transfer a stereo audio stream like music from the device to a headset or car radio.
A2DP is already implemented into the Samsung SGH-i300 Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition Smartphone, however this isn't based on Microsoft's A2DP implementation but Samsung added it itself.
(Refer to http://www.theunwired.net/?itemid=2779 for more info concerning this subject.)
So if this article is based on true facts, it means that Microsoft will soon release a patch for all WM5 based devices, which enables them to receive all audio (e.g. TomTom voice instructions) through the bluetooth stack.
Somebody knows more about this subject and if it's true that after having AKU 2.0 installed, you can hear the navigation instructions through your carkit or headset?
Many thanks,
Youri Festen
there is a facility on this forum that will allow you to switch audio to and from the bluetooth, not high quality or stereo but standard quality.
There is ?
Been loking around in the threads for quite a while, but didn't find a replicatable solution...
Here you go
Tried all kind of files, but no go...
All i want is ALL audio over the Carkit (Supertooth2). That is TomTom + Phone.
I don't care if i have to trun of the carkit to return audio to the phone. But i don't want to have to reset or something.
I have a XDA (Himalaya) btw. Still with Rom 1.72 00WWE 15/03/2004 (Ext Rom 1.72.125)
Tried all these :
BA_OEM_AudioGW.CAB
BA_WM5_Voice_Dialer_2.cab
BCHS_FOR_POCKET_PC_OZONE[1].ARMV4.CAB
Broadcom Corporation BT-PPC AV.cab
Broadcom Stack + Switcher + Icon.zip
BroadcomCorp_BT1.0.0.3900.cab
BTAGExtModule-2.zip
btagextmodule.zip
btaudio.zip
MS-BT-107.ARMV4.CAB
SCO settings all BT.txt
voicedial2.rar
whoa it worked
i know im reaching here, but really wanted to try to stream to the new cingular 2125 (aka hct). downloaded and ran the app with my iphono steroe headphones (luv em), got intresting results.
it worked. ran the app, pushed the button on the headphones, got music. call came in, answered (with auto answer) talked, and on hangup it went back to music. however, if i ran another app on the phone such as voice tag in contacts to initiate a call, it brought in the call, but on hangup went back to the speaker. had to run the toggle on again to get headphones working, not elegant - always want more - but im a happy guy til a2dp comes out for mobile 5. thanks!
try looking at this
http://www.pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=54951&perpage=20&pagenumber=1
might be what you need
Scollinguk said:
try looking at this
http://www.pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=54951&perpage=20&pagenumber=1
might be what you need
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Try reading and understanding what you read before posting. See the post of dalamario that is the BTAudio on/off tool !
Is this goingt to be anter shout and wild guesses about what file or tool should "really"work ?
I tried all so called "easy" fixes, hell, i've even got a whole dump of my registry, cut through all the BT + Audio and BT + Headset threads, here and on PDAPhonehome, Howardsforum, and the reduced-to-user-bla-bla on pocketPC-club.nl.
And still zilch.....
Ow, and don't think i'm someone who wants easy answers... Think again, i've been around quite a while on PPC forums and the lot....
What i do want/like is usefull answers ans clues on how this BT and Audio stuff works, beut even after reading some on MSDN i can't find a solution yet....
That's why i jumped in on this thread, i'm not going to reinvent the wheel if some allready has the solution: Tomtom and Phone audio over BT
So i'll stop writing now, and continiu searschin for a solution... There must be one...
Sorry mr high horse, wont bother trying to help next time just in case i might not be right, but then if everyone did that no one would answer anything.
The Wizard can do system Audio over bluetooth.
This has been proved with the easy hack that allows you to activiate voice dial using a BT headset.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=29837
MS Voice Command leaves the Audio Gateway open after initialising, whilst Voice Dialler closes it.
So maybe try installing Voice Command and doing the hack in the above referenced thread, and then see if you can launch Voice command from your car kit. This should leve the gateway open and allow all system sounds to stream to your BT kit until you hit the button again.
jpiek said:
Try reading and understanding what you read before posting.
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Try keeping Himalaya talk in the Himalaya forum then. Posting questions about devices in the wrong forums just causes confusion.
Scollinguk said:
Sorry mr high horse, wont bother trying to help next time just in case i might not be right, but then if everyone did that no one would answer anything.
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Not Mr High Horse, but didn't you look at what you where posting ? You should know it linked to the same file, right ? If not, you really would just be 'shouting' ...
It's just that i've been reading XXX threads, and just about everyone comes up with the same, useless, files... Like nowbody really knows how it works and waht should be done to make Audio over BT possible...
We here are all trying real hard for months now, you see....
Just a little patience. Test version of Qtek 9100 ROM with A2DP already exists. It works with I-Phono bt-stereo, for example. So I think it will be released by March.
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bob]Just a little patience. Test version of Qtek 9100 ROM with A2DP already exists. It works with I-Phono bt-stereo, for example. So I think it will be released by March.
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where is it? i want it! i need it!
ready to test.
Can't share it.
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bob]Can't share it.
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spoil sport
i won't tell anyone,
got motorola ht850 headphones.
have one question whilst here,
when i am on the underground the headset give a beep to tell me i have no network signal? you may not know the answer but would this over ride the bluetooth stereo signal?
p.s. send me your bank details for the transfer :wink:
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bob]Just a little patience. Test version of Qtek 9100 ROM with A2DP already exists. It works with I-Phono bt-stereo, for example. So I think it will be released by March.
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Do you think that when it works with I-Phono, it will also offer us the navigation voice instructions through BT-headsets or carkits? Hope so!
Can't test it with car navigator.
if audio streaming is enabled, i would have thought you should be able to hear navigation commands.
i have used the bt audio switch that started this thread to hear tomtom commands through my headset, and it works fine.
saves me explaining to my 84 year old dad why yoda is giving me directions :lol:
aliendad said:
if audio streaming is enabled, i would have thought you should be able to hear navigation commands.
i have used the bt audio switch that started this thread to hear tomtom commands through my headset, and it works fine.
saves me explaining to my 84 year old dad why yoda is giving me directions :lol:
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It's nice.... I'd really like Tomtom over my carkit... Ohh, the XDA was so much easyer just soldered a Ground and Left/Right channnel into my TomTom/Leadtec connector, and plugged it in to my JVC Front-in line...
I bought the Qtec 2020 because BT seemd so much easyer
Hi,
maybe someone can give me some info.
Have a T-Mobile Germany MDA Pro with the newest Stock ROM supporting A2DP.
Have board a brand new Plantronics Pulsar 590A Headset. It works, but the quality of the sound is very very bad with my Universal. I have also tryed the smal A2DP Sender, that comes packed with the Plantronics device and the quality is 100 times better. What is the problem? Can I adjust the bitrate of A2DP transfer in wm 5.0 registry?
The sound is a little much deep and on mid to hig frequencies, i hear a high frequencie noise.
Does anyone else has this problem?
This is not a problem of the receiving device.
Thanks for any help on this :`)
No Ideas?
Please Help!
I have the Qtek WWE ROM on my Qtek (latest official version). I use a Jabra bt620s, and i have no problems with it.
Maybe it's some obstruction of the signal? Do you encounter the problem when the Qtek is in clear view of the headset at a meter away?
I have the Motorola HT820, and finally got round to installing the Qtek WWE ROM today. Connects fine, I can walk into another room from the Uni and have no problems; But -
I also get a high pitched noise, particularly on music with lots of treble. It can be controlled up to a point by tweaking the graphic equaliser, but it is still annoying.
When using the HT820s linked to my Bluetooth PC and laptop, they sound superb - so it is a problem with the universal.
Thanks so far, i start hating my Universal ....
I think, there can be 3 reasons for that.
The Windows Mobile A2DP Software encoder, if it is software encoded.
The Bluetooth Chip, if it is HW encoded in Bluetooth.
The Radio ROM or Chip, if it is encoded on the Radio Processor.
I am not so deep in the Universal Technologie, but i know, that the sound was very clear on Blue Angel using the broadcom stack. So I think, it is M$ Bluetooth that makes the problem, but i am not realy sure.
... or is there anyone how don't has this kind of problem?
Hi,
I personally have never had that problem (which I interperate as "some form of noise" when listening to music over A2DP) you guys mention here, neither with my Motorola HT820's or i-Tech BluePRO's.
Only problems I have had with A2DP and my Universal is;
1. Pause/Resume button not working always in Windows Media Player (works fine in latest version of PocketMusic though)
2. Not automatic reconnect of A2DP when I turn headset on (only prob with the i-Tech's, Motorola's seems to work fine)
3. Occational drop/loss of sound for a second or two (have this under control now, only an issue for me now, when there is to much obstructions between Universal and my i-Tech headset)
RonnyGydar said:
1. Pause/Resume button not working always in Windows Media Player (works fine in latest version of PocketMusic though)
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I also have this Problem. Sometimes, i have to press, the button twice, sometimes i have to hold it. But the problem apears only, on resume.
RonnyGydar said:
2. Not automatic reconnect of A2DP when I turn headset on (only prob with the i-Tech's, Motorola's seems to work fine)
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Yes, that's realy evil ... I also have that. Reconnecting of Handsfree works fine.
RonnyGydar said:
3. Occational drop/loss of sound for a second or two (have this under control now, only an issue for me now, when there is to much obstructions between Universal and my i-Tech headset)
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This is a general Universal Problem. Maybe Radio Interference, maybe missing some CPU power.
The noisy and unclean sound can be a ROM Version Problem, if you don't have that. I have tryed also with a Linux Computer as A2DP SINK Client, and the sound is same bad.
That's my ROM Version Info:
ROM-Version: 1.30.113 GER
Radio-Version: 1.10.03
Protokoll-Version: 42.44.P8
ExtROM-Version: 1.30.223 GER
Windows Version is 5.1.195 (Build 14847.2.0.0)
EyeOfTheStorm said:
I also have this Problem. Sometimes, i have to press, the button twice, sometimes i have to hold it. But the problem apears only, on resume.
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Try downloading the latest PocketMusic version (if free for 30 days I think...so you'll be in heaven for 30 days at least), there it works perfect. ...it was enough for me to "cough up" the money to buy it!
And yes it seems to be every second time, and then one has to press button on Universal/Media Player once...bloody irritating...when the Universal is in the bag or something.
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Yes, that's realy evil ... I also have that. Reconnecting of Handsfree works fine.
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Yepp, I have exactly same behaviour (handsfree no prob, while A2DP needs manual reconnect with iTech's...but with the Motorola HT820's I belive it was automatic though)
EyeOfTheStorm said:
This is a general Universal Problem. Maybe Radio Interference, maybe missing some CPU power.
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For me I am pretty sure it is pure radio problem now (have tested with an app called SuperTask, and A2DP takes approx 20% CPU, and my JasJar now used a total of 40-45% CPU when I listen to music over A2DP with PocketMusic). I only have this problem when I have the JasJar in my pant pockets, are in an area I know there is a lot of interference+have some obstructions. Except from that it is fine now.
You can see this post on my "socalled test" (it was just a simple test, but it seems to give a good indication at least) of A2DP's effect on CPU here;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=53717
You can see my (and some others) experiences with A2DP and some stuff we have tried to fix/handle it as good as possible;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=53431&sid=87c2c327d12afa647df4d8773a330ee2
EyeOfTheStorm said:
The noisy and unclean sound can be a ROM Version Problem, if you don't have that. I have tryed also with a Linux Computer as A2DP SINK Client, and the sound is same bad.
That's my ROM Version Info:
ROM-Version: 1.30.113 GER
Radio-Version: 1.10.03
Protokoll-Version: 42.44.P8
ExtROM-Version: 1.30.223 GER
Windows Version is 5.1.195 (Build 14847.2.0.0)
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I have no clue...do you have a Universal (I would guess so from that you post it here )...if so the HW is identical...so then...yes it should be the SW/ROM...since you actually have tried with another "headset" (your Linux computer). But I am sorry, that I am not much of contribution...if nothing else...I agree with your logic here!
BTW my ROM version++ is stated in the A2DP-test post I linked to above (don't remember the numbers...but I have the "latest QTEK WWE" ROM).
Thanks for your comments.
Maybe it's the T-Mobile Germany ROM that is the Problem. Have allready called the technical support at T-Mobile, to help.
Maybe they are ignoring me, but i have tryed.
Universal's blue tooth signal terrible
Look I had many imate devices and bluetooth sets. The Universal has a very weak bluetooth signal even with normal bluetooths.
I have tried 3 or 4 different bluetooth headsets and they all give me a max of 3 meters. With the Jam and pda2k with the same headsets I used to get 10meters.
I gues this is the reall problem you are facing, the bluetooth reception is terrible on Universal, try being really close like 40CM away and if the sound is good you will know that it is only a reception issue from the universal.
I noted the 40 ~50 cm distance problem when I reviewed my nokia hs-12w a2dp headset about a month ago, it is very irritating. I think it is to do with where the BT chip is placed !!! it is between the keyboard and the battery, from what I could tell of the exploded diagram on this site !! meaning it is surrounded by metal !!! not good .
PS I never have problems connecting my hs12w headset for audio use, however if I take a phone call, after the call has ended I loose AVRCP
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The sound is a little much deep and on mid to hig frequencies, i hear a high frequencie noise.
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How do you play sounds over bluetooth ?
I'm trying to understand the routes of analog and digital
sound data and how to control them.
cr2 said:
EyeOfTheStorm said:
The sound is a little much deep and on mid to hig frequencies, i hear a high frequencie noise.
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How do you play sounds over bluetooth ?
I'm trying to understand the routes of analog and digital
sound data and how to control them.
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Hi cr2,
yes I read about it in IRC Log. But what you like to do is, streaming sound direct to the bluetooth hardware. Universal hardware supports this feature. There are 2 Bluetooth Profiles implemented for, one is called "Handsfree" and one is calles "Headset" and ini Windows Mobile Registry you will find it if you look for "Audio Gateway". The registry values are also documented in the online MSDN Lib. I will post a link, later, if I find it.
What I am doing is A2DP, that means ... all stereo sound will be compressed in software and then send as datastream to the bluetooth device.
Have attached the A2DP specification. Under Linux there is a project calles "bluetooth-alsa", that supports A2DP and Handsfree. Look for it at sourceforge.net.
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all stereo sound will be compressed in software and then send as datastream to the bluetooth device.
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There are several options here. It can be sent directly
on some phones, or (theoretically) through the phone,
or even redigitized from the analog (for mono).
Under Linux there is a project calles "bluetooth-alsa", that supports A2DP and Handsfree. Look for it at sourceforge.net.
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Software is not a problem. We need to understand
what the hardware is doing.
Read the blog here... http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/02/03/whither-voice-command-over-bth.aspx
Just thought it was an interesting read, apparently wired headsets can sample at 16khz and BT headsets only at 8khz.
Good thing we got smart people over here to FIX the crap MS can't figure out how to make work!
pkley said:
Read the blog here... http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/02/03/whither-voice-command-over-bth.aspx
Just thought it was an interesting read, apparently wired headsets can sample at 16khz and BT headsets only at 8khz.
Good thing we got smart people over here to FIX the crap MS can't figure out how to make work!
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VC1.5 was still in circulation when this blog was written. One of the "selling points" of VC1.6 which made us all upgrade without even trying it first (well, probably most of us anyway) was that VC1.6 now (supposedly) fully worked with BT. Actually, other than the redirection of audio, it does. And we're sill waiting (impatiently) for a fix from M$ and HTC!
John
I haven't gotten my device yet (in the mail), but I've heard there is a BT headset bug which causes the person on the other line to have difficulty hearing you.
Is this true? Is there any fix?
i havent recieved my phone either yet but havent heard anything about the bluetooth but if your interested in a awesome bluetooth def look at a jawbone the jawbone i have is freakin amazing lol
I have a mogul and a tytn and a jawbone.
I have seen other posts (hofo, ppcgeeks, etc) that say there are major problems with bluetooth but I have yet to see them. I did use the bt fixes that I applied to my tytn to the mogul and have not had any problems. Jawbone picks up the request just fine.
Brad
There is a 5 pg thread over on ppcgeeks where people have been sounding off, but it doesn't look like there is a fix. I personally have a Motorola HS820 which has worked fine with my old CDMA 6600 that apparently sounds terrible on the other end.
Doesn't look like the ROM upgrade addressed the BT issues either...
The Jawbone sucks. Total waste of money. Overactive DSP and the worst wind noise of any BT headset. BT might be fixed in a future ROM update.
from what i've heard, the new sprint rom 2.09.xxx fixes the BT issues. I haven't gotten around to pairing my headset with it since the rom update, but I will at some point or another and let u know if it has made any difference.
I can only speak for my experience.
I am using the 2.0.9651.3 ROM on the mogul with the same BT fixes that I have used on my Tytn since they were made available ( BT Voice Command Fix from XCSdM and reg tweaks) and am not having any of the issues mentioned in the thread at ppcgeeks. My phone also came with that ROM from Sprint.
I have also used about 12 different BT headsets from Nokia, Jabra, Motorola, and others and the Jawbone has been the best so far at reducing outside noise/interferance.
Again, just my experience.
Very glad to hear that Park City!
ViPaDawG said:
from what i've heard, the new sprint rom 2.09.xxx fixes the BT issues. I haven't gotten around to pairing my headset with it since the rom update, but I will at some point or another and let u know if it has made any difference.
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You heard wrong. The ROM update does nothing except add Sprint's Music Store.
BT issues post-ROM update
I may be the unlucky one here, with a different story, but no one complained about my BT conversations prior to the update. Now, I've been told that my headset was "cutting out" today, so I had to hang up and turn off blue tooth to finish my conversation. May be coincidence that I didn't have problems before as the device is only two weeks old to me, but the ROM update definitely did not address BT as far as I can see. This BT reminds me of my Treo 700p....
Park City said:
I can only speak for my experience.
I am using the 2.0.9651.3 ROM on the mogul with the same BT fixes that I have used on my Tytn since they were made available ( BT Voice Command Fix from XCSdM and reg tweaks) and am not having any of the issues mentioned in the thread at ppcgeeks. My phone also came with that ROM from Sprint.
I have also used about 12 different BT headsets from Nokia, Jabra, Motorola, and others and the Jawbone has been the best so far at reducing outside noise/interferance.
Again, just my experience.
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hi,
I'm new to the bt bug. where can I can find these fixes and reg tweaks. I am having the problem with perple not hearing me and I need to get it corrected.
thanks
billf.
fergusonwilliam said:
hi,
I'm new to the bt bug. where can I can find these fixes and reg tweaks. I am having the problem with perple not hearing me and I need to get it corrected.
thanks
billf.
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The only fix is to get a different phone with BT that works.
had the phone a couple of days now... BT has been alright for me, although I don't use it for more than a few minutes of talking at a time!
Is it possible and if so, can any of the chef's here cook a ROM which includes the Microsoft bluetooth stack over the Widcomm one??
Cheers
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I know each has it's merits and problems, but I'm having more problems with the WIDCOMM stack than I did with the MS one on the HD, so I'd like to see this in a cooked ROM as well...
Agree. A good idea.
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I really hope this can be done... chefs, please help us out!
It cant be done easily. The bluetooth chips in these phones (TP2, HD2, etc) dont work with the microsoft BT stack because the drivers supplied by HTC, don't work with it. They're designed to only interface with the widcomm stack and software :/ God knows I hate the widcomm stack on my TP2 as well, especially the crappy quality of the A2DP protocol, but unless some very bright mind comes along that can hack/rewrite a driver to work with the MS stack.. we're out of luck :/
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It cant be done easily. The bluetooth chips in these phones (TP2, HD2, etc) dont work with the microsoft BT stack because the drivers supplied by HTC, don't work with it. They're designed to only interface with the widcomm stack and software :/ God knows I hate the widcomm stack on my TP2 as well, especially the crappy quality of the A2DP protocol, but unless some very bright mind comes along that can hack/rewrite a driver to work with the MS stack.. we're out of luck :/
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Thanks....and bugger
NRGZ28 said:
It cant be done easily. The bluetooth chips in these phones (TP2, HD2, etc) dont work with the microsoft BT stack because the drivers supplied by HTC, don't work with it. They're designed to only interface with the widcomm stack and software :/ God knows I hate the widcomm stack on my TP2 as well, especially the crappy quality of the A2DP protocol, but unless some very bright mind comes along that can hack/rewrite a driver to work with the MS stack.. we're out of luck :/
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Thanks for the explaination NRG. You managed to get MSVC to play nice with your Energy ROM for the TP2... was that because of a updated or perhaps an older Widcomm stack?... MSVC not playing nice with my BT headset HD2 is killing me. I use it all the time when driving... Your TP2 ROM and perhaps another were the only ones that worked at all with MSVC
I emailed HTC to voice my "opinion" of the Widcomm stack... not that I expect anything to change
Thats very dissapointing to hear!
It´s very important for me to dial contacts using my bluetooth headset SE HBH-PK740 !
Hi there,
I have a Sony Ericsson HBH-DS980 and it can access the addressbook/last calls without any problem on HD2. Is there any chance you might have missed the permission screen before first access attempt?
Also compared to Cruise, Diamond and HD (all bt tweaks applied) HD2 seems to have the best quality stereo output out of the box with these headphones. The bass is great and there is no background noise at all.
I friend of mine uses TP2 with Sony Ericsson HBH-DS220 and the stereo audio quality is also superior to MS stack both on WM and Vista/Win7.
I think it would make sense to open an thread to highlight incompatible BT hardware so that at least users planning to buy new ones will get the right headphones.
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Hi there,
I have a Sony Ericsson HBH-DS980 and it can access the addressbook/last calls without any problem on HD2. Is there any chance you might have missed the permission screen before first access attempt?
Also compared to Cruise, Diamond and HD (all bt tweaks applied) HD2 seems to have the best quality stereo output out of the box with these headphones. The bass is great and there is no background noise at all.
I friend of mine uses TP2 with Sony Ericsson HBH-DS220 and the stereo audio quality is also superior to MS stack both on WM and Vista/Win7.
I think it would make sense to open an thread to highlight incompatible BT hardware so that at least users planning to buy new ones will get the right headphones.
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PLEASE explain us how you access adressbook?Voicedial?
I have SonyEricsson HBH-PV740 and Motorola HT820 and no way to dial adressbook.
I can dial last number by touching headset button twice but there´s no way to dial any person from adressbook without holding HD2 in my hands.
Hi there,
I have paired the device as usual. Then two profiles were selected by default. (stereo audio and handsfree).
1 Connect to your bluetooth device. You will see the services (image 1)
2 Select your device and then press properties button on the bottom left. (image 2)
3 Check the box where it says "Connections authorised"
If you dont perform step 3, next time the headset tries to access addressbook, you will see a promt on your phone and you will need to allow it. If you miss this screen, the functionality will not work.
When you press addresbook button or call history button on your headest, you will see that a new service is added to the list of services (image 4) named Phone Book Access. This will only show when you are accessing the addressbook or call history.
I can see both the names and numbers on the screen of the BT headset.
Also, in ms stack I would only see a number for the incoming calls on my headphones. Now I can see the name as well. So this was another improvement of the new BT stack.
Regading voice dialling, since I have a small screen on my headphones(980), did not need it. I think MS voice command would do the job well. The only issue I remember from previous WM devices was you needed to get the right DLL associated so that you could trigger it with the dial button on the headphones.
These theads might be a good starting point regarding MS voice Command
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304224
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=281977
you might find more up to date resources if you searh the forums deeper.
Hi there,
is there anyone know why the bluetooth was downgrade from 2.1 in WM6.1 to 1.9.3 in WM6.5 in T-Mobile TP2? Any way to upgrade it back to 2.1?
I have a Sony Ericsson HBH-IS800 headset that requires Bluetooth2.0+ in order to use the volume control on TP2. There is no volume control on the headset.
Thanks.