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Bluetooth Remote control for a pda ??

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Its not to use a PDA as a remotecontrol, but looking for a small BT remote control for a PDA.
On some boards other people looking for same, but nobody knows.
A small device like a remote contol for car alarm.
I tried a BT headset , but found no way to get the button status
programaticaly .
Anyone has an idea ??

Could you please explain what you want to do?
I did not quite understand you.
Do you want to remote controle your PPC via Bluetooth and Desktop PC or are you looking for a remote controle to do something with your PPC while you are a few meters away.
I never heard of such a thing though...
Greets
Alex

i look for 2nd.
I can do this with my mobile phone, sent keystrokes via BT to PPC and use this programmatically.
But look for smaller device . like a headset, cause I cant put my mob phone on a keyring ;-)
But cant find such a small BT device ( like remotecontrol for car alarm)
also cant figure out how to get the signals when a button ön a headset is pressed.

Could you please give us some examples of successful usage of mobile phone for remote control? It can be interesting and funny.

There is software to use a fone as BT remote control for a PC or a Mac.
Name is Bemused ( dunno if i spell it right ).
You can use this to control MediaPlayer etc. on ur PC.
But I am looking for a small solution for a PDA, to start an app on a PDA when I am a few meters away.

okay, imagine this.
i'm walking in the school campus and someone (hopefully a pretty girl) comes up to me and wants to talk to me while i'm listening to mp3 on my pocket-pc and i have the small bluetooth remote control clipped to my shirt. i can simply click the button that i assigned to 'pause' to stop the music. then talk to that person and then press the 'resume' button when i'm done to resume the music.
all without having to pull the device out of my pocket and turn it on and all that stuff...
what do you think?

Hi msafi!
I think this is what you are looking for:
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/globalsat-bth820.php

If you're going bluetooth, you might as well use a full keyboard credit card sized.
Please send me one if you have one spare!
V

Widcomm Phone Edition stack working - get it here!!!

Hi Guys: I have got the Widcomm Phone edition stack working on my unit.
It seems to be fine but I have not fully tested all aspects of the software - so if any little bits don't work, let me know...
You need to install the official widcomm 1-4-1-59 version
Then you can upgrade it using the cab file I have made.
The 1.4.1.59 version file I got from the following topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=57550#57550
thanks go to mamaich for the file.
the upgrade file consistes of the PE edition files and the required registry entries.
Let me know how you all go on with it - but I am not really a hacker so any serious probs I will not be able to fix...
if anyone else can improve on the installation be my guest

any news about which profiles it support that ms or the old one dont support ?

I hope unintall won't mess up my volume as in case of original bluetoothgps.cab

I can't garauntee it works perfectly, so I suggest everyone make a backup of their system before use.

has anyone tested any BT headset with this new stack?

I've got it installed and it all seems to work well exept for the handsfree/headset profile, I have set up my headset ok it is discovered and bonds fine but when I try to connect from the xda2 the connection fails after "waiting for device" for some time. tried with a motorola hs 810 and a neovoice usb, same with both. Anyone got any ideas?

BT headset
I have a 6315 and an XDA 2, I haven't tried the BT Stack on the XDA 2 yet but I found when I bondeded my HBH-30 to my 6315 once it made the connection my BT Headset shut off for some reson. This caused the bonding to fail, but as soon as I turned my headset back on (while it was trying to discover services) it completed the process and worked on my 6315. I'm not sure if this will be the same, but it's worth a shot.
Brandon

Test results
Hi fellows
Here is little bit of my testing of this new BT Stack, which we all awaiting for..
Proc…
1. Installed as per instructions 1.59 without any problem. During installation was prom to override .dll files – agreed to do that. For good or for bad – will see later.
2. Installed .cab file provided by icarusbop (big thanks to him for doing this) without any problem. Screen shots will be attached below.
3. Reset it as requested upon installation and got Widcomm BT working instead of MS BT..
4. Paired it with my BlueTrek G2 within 3 seconds (which took usually 10 sec with MS BT)
5. BT recognized G2 as device with Headset/Hands-Free profiles and asked to use as default… I said yes…
Here comes Cons part ;(
1. Unfortunately even after paring – my I-Mate can not get connected with G2 (see screen shot)
2. As you can see in another screen shot – there is Hands Free menu – it can not be accessed, or can be accessed ONLY while connection is established.
3. AND the last L … So, this new BT is not working now… I decided to go back to MS BT… SURPISE!!! I am getting message that BT HARDWARE IS NOT INSTALL ON THIS UNIT…. L Assumption - .dll files were overwritten (see Proc 1)
Here is my 2 cents in this jorney… I am hoping that described problems can be fixed and we can make it working (without doing hard reset on my device )
Paul

thanks guys! for testing hands-free/headset profile. by now everything seems to work fine with this new stack except for hands-free/headset profile.

New comments to my testing
1. I tried what NeoCole recommended - didn't work for me
2. As soon as new BT is OFF - MS BT is working fine .....uf
LETS FIX THE HEADSET PART PLEASE

I posted this is another thread - but in case someone does not read that thread . . . it is relevant here as well.
If the intent of this is to get voice dialing without touching the device, that is by only pressing a button on the headset to initiate a voice-dial program to make the call, there is no evidence this works with this BT stack either.
I have been reading other forums with people who have the H6315 already (mine is in the mail to me now) and none of them have been able to make this work. Nor is there any mention of this capability in any of the literature and/or documentation for this device. It seems that if this was a feature of this phone, it would be prominently displayed!

Voice Command
Okay.. on my 6315 I press the headset button, it beeps, sound and voice is now transfered to the headset. I do this before I initate voice command. Now all I do is press a button that activates Voice Command on the PPC and walla, I'm speaking and listening through my BT Headset. This is a huge step forward from using the MS Stack, and I feel that since the Phone Edition of the Widcomm is 1.0.0 I'm sure that they'll associate a hardware button with the headset button in future releases. Anyhow.. I think that the functionality of the Widcomm BT Stack is well worth the work. The XDA 2 would be a lot better device if the BT Stack worked 100% of the time and was fully compatibile.

I also have not got it working.
the Hp 6315 is well know to still require a hardware button press (not on the headset) to activate voice command. They can still not do with any nokia or SE phone can do easily.
Surur

VoiceCommand
That would be correct... One press of the HW Button does it all on a Regular phone.
The 6315 has brought it closer to allow you to interact with programs using your BT Headset, but yes you must still activate the programs on your handset before you can use them with your headset.
So.. to sum it up...
1. You can't interact with Voice Command using MS BT Stack on an XDA 2
2. You can interact with Voice Command using Widcomm Stack on 6315, but you have to activate the headset first, then start VoiceCommand on the PPC by using the HW Button.
Hopefully through this thread we'll be able to give the XDA 2 the same functionality as the 6315.
And maybe if Widcomm provides an update to allow the headset to activate a HW button, we'll be to the one step solution.

I do not want my comments to be read as stating that this is not a worthwile endeavor. I simply meant to make sure that someone does not go to the trouble of installing this new stack (particularly those who might be considered novices) with the mistaken impression that by doing so they will have that "one step" voice dialing solution.
This is by all means a worthwile endeavor, but it is merely a step down the road . . . not the final destination.
Y'all are doing good work - keep on blazing that trail!

hm.. I would think that it is more of MS Voice Dial functionality than BT - to recognize signal sent from headset as request for voice dialing.
When MS released first version of Voice Dialing they did not expect new functionality to have BT headset with hands-free profile connected to the device.

paired with my Jabra 250 = ok
connected to my Jabra 250 = failed

No luck with Moto headset
Eveything else seem to be working. No problems with detecting and working with BT access point

rehman said:
I hope unintall won't mess up my volume as in case of original bluetoothgps.cab
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Hi Rehman,
i tried to install and uninstall, for the very first time i didn't have to get a Hard-Reset done. the volume didn't disappear. so i believe trying it wont be a harm, but yet i would recommend to get a full Backup first.

Trying to figure this out
Okay, I looked through the whole registry. I can't find anything out of the ordinary. Only thing I can think of is the sound driver. Does anyone know what DLL that is? I bet it's a different version.
If someone that knows more about which DLL does what. Let's get all the DLL's that could pertain to Sound and Phone and compair the 6315 DLL's with the ones on the XDA2.

Dev request: simple 'button board'

Hello Developers,
I want to use my old magician to build into my car.
I am driving (for those who want to know) a Renault 5 GT Turbo, and building it purely for fun. I like to experiment with electronics, so injection system is used, and also a PDA with Zeitronic software to manage some data from the car.
What I want to do is be able to start the car with the PDA, or ignition the car, and other things likt boostcontrol (just on/off), lights, rev limiter, etc. All is just on-off switched.
Just being able to control six or eight Relays, via the touchscreen. Starting must be with a sort of PIN code. So is there a way to control 8 relays via usb-cable (must be charging all the time!).
And anyone an Idea or wants to put something together? If it includes some donations, willing to do so with some fun input!

Check out Arduino Board.
Not sure if you can hook it up to PDA, but might be interesting to you.
larna

Riel said:
What I want to do is be able to start the car with the PDA, or ignition the car, and other things likt boostcontrol (just on/off), lights, rev limiter, etc. All is just on-off switched.
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Wow!
This would be amazing!
PS: If you finally reach your target, let us know and share some videos!

Thanx! Well, just see it as if I got 8 ON/OFF switches on my dashboard.
I just need the program here to give an output to the USB port. So I hook up those signals to a relayboard. Those relays set the ignition, or start the engine, etc.

I don't know much, but I think you need a serial port not usb. However with some simple electronic audio filters I think it would be possible to control almost any number of relays via the audio output. You would need some software on the phone that played an audio signal whenever a button on the screen was pressed, I am thinking mortbuttons could do this. Then you would need a set of audio filters tuned to each exact frequency which would in turn switch your relays via a power transistor.
I like the sound of your idea, if you get it on the road it would mean that any PPC could be used to switch on anything. Think about the whistling key finders you can get, the same principal. Would be nice to see your progress in the future, good luck with it.
Edit: you could even do it via bluetooth this way, taking the sound from a bt headset!

Problem is, I have totally no idea of programming

Was thinking about this and had a simpler idea but only if you've got a ppc with infra red port, which if I remember correctly the Magician has. If you had all you need is some remote control software, which there is a huge choice of fully configurable stuff with learning ability something like this: http://www.pdawin.com/tvremote.html , then you just need an infra red remote control switch board like this one on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RF-Wireless-R...hash=item250271194147&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318
and you pretty much would have what you want!
Edit: Damn just noticed that one is RF not IR. But I know IR ones are available.

bluetooth question

On my old phone (nokia n95) if I connected a bluetooth hands-free device (either sony car stereo or a ear-piece), then pressing and holding the button would allow me to speak the name of a person on my contacts list.
Is this possible on the HD2?
I have installed Cyberon Voice Speed Dial - and that does work, however it isn't ideals because
a) it needs training for every contact and
b) it doesn't react to the press of a button on my bluetooth devices.
Many thanks in advance

gneville said:
On my old phone (nokia n95) if I connected a bluetooth hands-free device (either sony car stereo or a ear-piece), then pressing and holding the button would allow me to speak the name of a person on my contacts list.
Is this possible on the HD2?
I have installed Cyberon Voice Speed Dial - and that does work, however it isn't ideals because
a) it needs training for every contact and
b) it doesn't react to the press of a button on my bluetooth devices.
Many thanks in advance
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There is no native support like in a symbian os. So you have to use an app like the Cyberon...
I didn't find a better working prog yet

It seems rather ridiculous that such an 'advanced' phone cannot do this!

gneville said:
It seems rather ridiculous that such an 'advanced' phone cannot do this!
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yes and no.
It is an expensive phone but its a great value/mony for a ppc. If you want a phone that does telephone stuff perfectly then you best go (back) to a normal model like a sony ericsson, nokia or samsung.
If you want a device capable of a whole lot of things then you have a ppc but with a ppc you have somethings that work not so good or even don't work at all...

Disagree, first and foremost it is a smartphone.
Bluetooth is not new technology, either . .?
Anyways, I don't really care for the why's and what-for's I'm just after a solution. .!

CarKitMode mode activator (CU-S400 Emulator)

Hi,
I've installed the update for Navipanel hoping it would work now, even though I don't have the CU-S400. I start the Navipanel.exe from the exe in the Windows folder, and it starts up as expected. When I try to make a call the dialer always switches to portrait even though Navipanel is in landscape.
Could this be a dialer problem (I have the latest Energy ROM) or is it because I started navipanel by hand.
Anyone knows how to solve this? Is there a registry key that forces the dialer to stay in landscape mode? Or is there something I can do with the microusb power connector (short pins?) to force the landscape mode?
It would be great if anyone is able to give me some details on registry changes when the CU-S400 connects (can be detected using SKTracker) so I can maybe write a utility/tool force this mode without the actual carkit.
Any help is apreciated, I hate it when the device return to portrait while I'm driving.
Thanks in advance.
Edit: Nothing was available so I cooked up something myself. See post 31 for a cab file.

le_cactus said:
Hi,
I've installed the update for Navipanel hoping it would work now, even though I don't have the CU-S400. I start the Navipanel.exe from the exe in the Windows folder, and it starts up as expected. When I try to make a call the dialer always switches to portrait even though Navipanel is in landscape.
Could this be a dialer problem (I have the latest Energy ROM) or is it because I started navipanel by hand.
Anyone knows how to solve this? Is there a registry key that forces the dialer to stay in landscape mode? Or is there something I can do with the microusb power connector (short pins?) to force the landscape mode?
It would be great if anyone is able to give me some details on registry changes when the CU-S400 connects (can be detected using SKTracker) so I can maybe write a utility/tool force this mode without the actual carkit.
Any help is apreciated, I hate it when the device return to portrait while I'm driving.
Thanks in advance.
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Its more of a quick work-around rather than a total fix, but have you tried Gyrator2? Its a program that allows the screen to rotate in pretty much all programs.

Hi,
I did, but it doesnt work; the dialer goes to portrait mode, and only switches to landscape again if I hold my phone in portrait and then to landscape again.
Is there noboby who has got it working and is willing to check somethings?
TIA,
Cheers,
/Cacti

I have htc car holder CU-S400 and for me it stays in the landscape even in dialer mode.
I have tried to start navipanel without car holder but then in dialer mode it goes to portrait.
I belive it is related to micro usb on car holder.I hope this will help.

It does, thanks. I've send you a PM.
Cheers,
/Cacti

I'm in Jakarta - Indonesia.
My car kit CU S400 has arrived yesterday, in navi panel mode can we use another program beside co pilot for navigation, how to choose or change the default (co pilot).
I've ask to support center and it's been 36 hours and still no answer to my question.
hope someone can help me.
regards,
Raymond Widya

Pinout?
chavonbravo said:
Well, it seems the registry that enables/disables NaviPanel is in HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Keypad\"IsCarKitMode" with dword 0 or 1. The file that controls this registry settings going on or off is HTCApplication.dll. The 'Keypad' key doesn't exist, so you'll have to add it and add the IsCarKitMode dword value.
I can't get it to work with my a2dp stereo headphones to connect automatically, but I think this is because when doing the bluetooth handshake, some flags must not be set that show it to be a car kit possibly. Only other option would be bthutil.dll after that and see what it does.
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So, digging in some more I found this post. The IsCarKitMode registry key does exist on our HD2's, and changing it's value to 1 briefly brings up the Navipanel. But sometings ( I guess the HTC Application service) changes it rights back to 0, disableing the 'true' landscape mode. Disableing the service isn't an option I think; it handles much more then just the car kit mode. An looking at the DLL that handles the service (HTCApplication.dll) didn't give me much info; the IsCarKitMode strings didn't even exist in it.
So now I'm looking for the pinout of the CU-S400 micro USB connector. I know the three coper connections beside the SIM may have the answer, but I also found threads stating certain Mini2Micro USB adapters made the device think it's in car kit mode. Anyone with any input on how to hardwire this please speakup
TIA,
Cheers,
Cacti

Never mind, I got it working now
Thanks for all your help
I've got a working NaviPanel and landscape dialer even withou the CU-S400. It detects AC power, waits for my BT Carkit to connect and then starts NaviPanel. True landscape, even if the dialer is started and when a call comes in.
Now all I need to figure out why every navigation shortcut in NaviPanel adds the Show parameter to CoPilot, and how CoPilot knows need to Go Home, Show Recent places, Addresses of simply start.
Again, I need the help. this time from someone using CoPilot and who is willing to use SKTracker to find out what's going on. I almost have the perfect solution, I'm nearly there
TIA,
Cheers,
/Cacti

le_cactus said:
Thanks for all your help
I've got a working NaviPanel and landscape dialer even withou the CU-S400. It detects AC power, waits for my BT Carkit to connect and then starts NaviPanel. True landscape, even if the dialer is started and when a call comes in.
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Would you like to share your setup ?

Go on le_cactus,and I am glad to see that you found solution for your problem.
I am sorry for didn't send you requested screenshot,but I was on trip and I didn't have good internet connection.
I hope you will find solution how to integrate alternative navigation system with navipanel,and I hope one of them will be GarminXT.

You know I really hate when someone says "I found a solution" and does not care enough to share the solution with others, but yet had to ask here in the first place. As for the navipanel, if you connect pin 4 to ground it will start up navipanel and let you use the dialer in landscape without it rotating to portrait first. Hope this helps others finding their way here for a solution.

duplicate sorry!

iBlade67 said:
You know I really hate when someone says "I found a solution" and does not care enough to share the solution with others, but yet had to ask here in the first place. As for the navipanel, if you connect pin 4 to ground it will start up navipanel and let you use the dialer in landscape without it rotating to portrait first. Hope this helps others finding their way here for a solution.
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Yes that was Bl**dy annoying.
However here is the answer.
It is possible to modify any car power adapter to enable navipanel. You must indeed connect pin 4 to ground pin 5. However I have discovered it is not that simple, that did not work on my power adapter. The reason was this.
Most power adapters connect pins 2+3 (the USB data lines) together to identify that it is a charger capable of supplying higher power than a PC USB port. This enables "fast charge". with these pins connected the HD2 wont go into navipanel.
It is neccessary to remove the link between pins 2+3 and instead link 4+5.
This allows the HD2 to switch to navipanel mode and at the same time recognise there is a high power charger present!!
The pins look like this from the rear
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* *
numbered
5 3 1
4 2
I hope this helps someone else looking for this solution. It would be great if you could buy a "proper" aftermarket car adapter for the HD2 that had this mod done!
Cheers all and enjoy!

bob_bournemouth said:
Yes that was Bl**dy annoying.
However here is the answer.
It is possible to modify any car power adapter to enable navipanel. You must indeed connect pin 4 to ground pin 5. However I have discovered it is not that simple, that did not work on my power adapter. The reason was this.
Most power adapters connect pins 2+3 (the USB data lines) together to identify that it is a charger capable of supplying higher power than a PC USB port. This enables "fast charge". with these pins connected the HD2 wont go into navipanel.
It is neccessary to remove the link between pins 2+3 and instead link 4+5.
This allows the HD2 to switch to navipanel mode and at the same time recognise there is a high power charger present!!
The pins look like this from the rear
* * *
* *
numbered
5 3 1
4 2
I hope this helps someone else looking for this solution. It would be great if you could buy a "proper" aftermarket car adapter for the HD2 that had this mod done!
Cheers all and enjoy!
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Hi Bob,
I was also annoyed ybout the missing possibility to start the car kit mode. The Navi Panel was not a problem to start with a shortcut but unfortunately the predefined connect to my Parrot hands free set via bluetooth wouldnt work. So I have to crack it on the hardware side
I was very happy about your posting and the provided solution. I plan to start a field trial with a micro USB cable, my side cutter and my soldering iron. Hopefully I can affirm your pin-bridges
But before I start, I have to be sure that I count the plug pins right. Is the numbering of attached picture right or should I have to count otherwise?
Thanks for your help.

Here I got the answer!
http://translate.google.at/translat....cz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=73&p=1037#p1037

original usb adaptor solved this issue
I am coming from tytn II and I have the original htc car charger, when I purchased the HD2 I found that the charger can't be used with it, then I went back to HTC store here in Saudi Arabia and asked for an adaptor (USB mini to USB micro), and it cost less than 3 USD and once I attached to the HD2 it went to the Navipanal.
I think the solution of the resistor was built in it or it is because of using the original HTC car charger (which was for the Tytn II).
Funny thing that I thought that this is natural with any Car charger till I saw this thread

CU-S400 Emulator
Hi,
I finaly got a working CU-S400 Car Holder emulator! When using my HD2 in landscape mode in my car I ran into the following problems:
The device changes to portrait mode everytime the dialer comes up
The device always goes to speakerphone on incoming calls, even though my Parrot carkit is connected. Outgoing call are routed through my Parrot carkit though. I always had to manualy disable speakerphone on every incomming call.
I have to switch on Bluetooth everytime I enter my car; having BT on all the time drains my battery to fast
Running NaviPanel (to solve part of the above problems) disables the StartMenu hardkey, and changes the Home hardkey to always change to NaviPanel instead of Sense.
The attached ZIP file contains the following files:
CarKitMode Detect Helper.exe - A modified file that is originaly used by the Via Michelin GSP software. It detects if AC Power is connected of disconnected, and the launches my HTC_car_kit_mode_auto.exe. It either launches with the AC_ON or AC_OFF parameter, depending on wheter AC is connected or disconnected.
CarKitMode Detect Helper.lnk - The shortcut that is placed in \Windows\StartUp to autostart the monitoring of te AC connection.
HTC_car_kit_mode_auto.exe - A Basic4PPC file I created. If started with the AC_ON parameter it changes the registry so my HD2 thinks it's connected to a CU-S400 Car Holder. It enables Blueooth and then waits for 2 minutes to see i the bluetooth device specified in NaviPanel settings is connected. If not, shuts itself down after disabling Bluetooth. If Bluetooth is connected sits, and waits for a call, and then disables speakerphone if it sees that speakerphone is enabled. That way the call is routed through the BT device.
When started with the AC_OFF parameter it changes the registry back, disables BT and shuts itself down.
VJSpeakerPhoneOFF.exe - The program that is called to disable speakerphone. It's part of the VJPhoneShortcuts suite that was created many years back by Vijay555. Big thanks to him, although I'm sure there are other programs that will do the same.
I've tested a lot, and can't find any battery or performance penalty for the always running helper application. And the HTC_car_kit_mode_auto only runs if AC power is connected, and then only for two minutes if the BT device isn't connected. Just unzip the attached CU-S400 Emulator.zip to the root of your device and soft reset. I tried to make a CAB file, but installing it always failes, haven't got a clue why. If anyone find a way to create this cab file, please let me know.
Best way to use this if BT is disabled by default. And it's not necessary to enable the auto launch of NaviPanel. I don't use it anymore. It disables the StartMenu hardkey, and since I don't use CoPilot it doesn't do much for me. By using these utilities I do have true landscape support for the dialer, and I works with any AC power connection, no need to modify the USB connector. I'm very happy, my in car experience is 100% better now.
Hope this helps anyone, if not I'm still happy, it works for me!
Cheers,
/Cacti

le_cactus said:
CarKitMode Detect Helper.exe - A modified file that is originaly used by the Via Michelin GSP software. It detects if AC Power is connected of disconnected, and the launches my HTC_car_kit_mode_auto.exe. It either launches with the AC_ON or AC_OFF parameter, depending on wheter AC is connected or disconnected.
CarKitMode Detect Helper.lnk - The shortcut that is placed in \Windows\StartUp to autostart the monitoring of te AC connection.
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Hi,
unfortunately this wont work on my ROM. I use original german ROM with all updates. If I copy your "Startup" shortcut to my "Autostart" folder I get an error message, that the application is not certified or some components are missing. I already dissabled the "uncertified" message with HD2Tweak and it works for other apps.
Best regards

extrapurifier said:
I get an error message, that the application is not certified or some components are missing.
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Hi,
At what point does the error message occur? At startup (while launching CarKitMode Detect Helper.exe) or when connecting or disconnecting power?
Cheers,
/Cacti

le_cactus said:
Hi,
At what point does the error message occur? At startup (while launching CarKitMode Detect Helper.exe) or when connecting or disconnecting power?
Cheers,
/Cacti
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At StartUp. Maybe it's because I use german ROM?