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Being a newbie and only having an XDA1 I keep hearing the words GPRS and GSM banded about. Can someone plse tell me the differences between the two>???
Thanks john
GPRS is short for General Packet Radio Service, a standard for wireless communications which runs at speeds up to 115 kilobits per second,
GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications) 9.6 kilobits. so 11 times slower
GSM is mostly used for voice calls and SMS
GPRS for DATA-transfer ie MMS,surfing,email,...
GSM is usually charged by time ie minutes/second
GPRS by amount of data ie KiloBytes,Megabytes
You can surf or check email with GSM but then you'll have to use your GSM as a modem with a dial-in connection.
That's what i think, maybe I'm wrong but I'm sure the experts will correct me.
M4io said:
GPRS is short for General Packet Radio Service, a standard for wireless communications which runs at speeds up to 115 kilobits per second,
GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications) 9.6 kilobits. so 11 times slower
GSM is mostly used for voice calls and SMS
GPRS for DATA-transfer ie MMS,surfing,email,...
GSM is usually charged by time ie minutes/second
GPRS by amount of data ie KiloBytes,Megabytes
You can surf or check email with GSM but then you'll have to use your GSM as a modem with a dial-in connection.
That's what i think, maybe I'm wrong but I'm sure the experts will correct me.
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You are right.
GPRS is a data transfer protocol which runs OVER the GSM network. GPRS is a digital based protocol which is why high speeds can be achieved compared to GSM.
GPRS & GSM
Yep. generally speaking.........
Both can be used to surf the net (WWW) but generally GPRS is cheaper and faster.
GSM will dial up a server for your email and surfing. Your calls over GSM to a server generally cost 10 pence per minute, although it can be free depending on your personal tariff with your network (O2, Orange, Vodaphone, T Mobile, 3....)
GPRS is connected by your service provider, and you pay for what you download, by the KB, prices range fron £1 a megabyte to £7 depending on the supplier.
Coverage varies from mobile to mobile and area to area and of course network to network, for both GPRS & GSM.
Hi
For the networks, supporting GPRS meant a relatively simple firmware update to all but the oldest base stations. GPRS is pretty crude, if offers higher data rates at the expense of network capacity and makes poor use of the available spectrum (compared to W-CDMA G3 modulation schemes).
A basestation will have available to it a number of standard frequencies for GSM comms, say 50 channels, these channels will be different to the channels used on the neighboring base stations.
Each of these channels is split up into 8 time slots. In a GSM config, a mobile gets 1 timeslot, so 8 calls can take place 'at the same time' on the same channel. The base station and mobiles decide who is gonna transmit and when. This happens so fast that as far as the user is concerned they have a comms channel to themselves. This is TDMA Time Domain, Multiple Access.
Interestingly the time slots are so narrow that if you have phone A on located 20KM from the base station on timeslot 8, and phone B next to the base station on timeslot 2, then phone A will transmit its data before phone B, with the data arriving at the base station in correct time-slot order!
Mobile networks also support time-slot and channel hopping to get around network interference problems, and more importantly to counteract the issues of dopler shift when the mobile is moving at speed.
GPRS works simply by making more of these timeslots available to a single mobile. The fact that data is bursty means that the base station can hand out timeslots fairly efficiently. The 2 current systems for GPRS are class 8 and class 10
Class 8 offers 4 download timeslots and 1 upload timeslot
Class 10 offers 3 download timeslot and 2 upload timeslots
Each slot offers from 9.6K to 21.4K depending on network configuration (basically thats the width the RF channel, perhaps also the no of slots that the channel is split into - cant remember). In the UK I beleieve that each timeslot runs at 14.4K. You will however not see that since some of it is used for error correction.
O2 defaults to class 10. I dont know whether this is locked at the network level and I never tried changing it.
Class 10 will hence give max 43.2K down / 28800 up and
class 8 is 57.6K down, 14.4K up
You can knock 20% of those figures for error correction duties.
It would be possible for GPRS to run in 7/1 mode to give 7x14K4 = 100.8K down / 14.4K up. I dont think any networks or devices support such a configuration though!
Its been a while since I worked in this field so this info may be out of date by now. GPRS is not that much faster than HSCSD (high speed circuit switched data), but its much more efficient in its use of the bandwidth.
Ever been up a mountain miles from nowhere, had a screen full of signal bars but never managed to make a call?? Its a limitation of GSM (or rather the config of the network). A phone must be able to respond within the correct timeslot, if the phone is too far away then it can miss its slot altogether, hence full bars, but no calling! In the UK, the network setup means that the limit is around 25KM, in australia, they have extended this to around 100KM in rural locations.
Roll on EDGE - 2.5G++ its a new modulation scheme for GSM that makes *much much* better use of the spectrum. Should give us 256K on the move - i.e it will be pushing into 3G terratory bandwidth wise. Trouble is, GPRS was a firmware update for most base stations, EDGE is gonna require hardware. I would not be surprised though if we did not see networks giving up on taking 3G coverage beyond 70-80% of population, and rely on EDGE/GPRS to cover the dregs.
Nigel
Is there a way I can still get my GSM calls when I am connected to GPRS ?
As a matter of fact I do when the GPRS is Idle. But when there is some data transfer happening and a call comes in, It goes off to my voice mail !!!
Isn't it supposed to put the GPRS on hold and take the call ?
Any settings or any ideas ?
regards,
Arun
I'm just changing my tarriff to one of T-Mobile's Web & Walk things to get unlimited internet access.
I've been told that I get unlimited GPRS connection (within fair use policy blah blah) but what I'm worried about (and this may be a totally stupid thing!) is 3G.
When I don't have WI-FI access I get a message saying connecting to internet "GPRS, 3G". If there's no GPRS in that area, will it connect to a 3G service - or is that just for video calling??
If it is another way of connecting, is that free also?? Or will I be stung?
My main concern is I've got apps that will automatically load up the internet, and I don't want to get a large bill if the connect to something they shouldn't. I've looked through the settings but can't see how I would delete such a connection.
I've tried to talk to someone at T-Mobile about that, but, they seem to know as much about it as me.
Mate when your not in an area that picks up a 3g signal,it will drop to umts normal signal
and you can call but can use extended services like video talking,the net etc
jaceuk said:
Mate when your not in an area that picks up a 3g signal,it will drop to umts normal signal
and you can call but can use extended services like video talking,the net etc
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So if I'm in a 3G area it will connect via that then? Ignoring the GPRS?
:-(
I may not be gettingthis right mate but I'm sure the gprs is provided over 3g.
when ever I'm not in a 3g area I can't connect anyother way
but when I'm in the 3g area content is available
jaceuk said:
I may not be gettingthis right mate but I'm sure the gprs is provided over 3g.
when ever I'm not in a 3g area I can't connect anyother way
but when I'm in the 3g area content is available
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Ahh, I think I know what you're saying, cheers, but that's not exactly what I meant
With a new tarrif that I'm joining I've been told I get free GPRS, but want to know if 3G would be included, or chargable, and if charged then how I can stop my phone from using 3G as I've no interest in video calling or owt like that anyway. Just call/text/simple web browsing.
Regards
I'm also using T-Mobile Web & Walk and yes, 3G is included in your unlimited data allowance. You can just allow your MDA to connect in whichever way it wants and you will not have to pay any additional data charges.
as has been said, all data is free if on web and walk BUT>>>>>
wap dial up isnt (will be listed as tmobile CS or similar in connections manager) these connections are charged at 'mobile on net' rates per minute that you are connected (or like when mine dialed up overnight costing £35 for 6 hours connection and less than 1mb of data )
GPRS is "2.5"G service as is EDGE, this data is billed per MB. this is included in WnW
3G data is just that, 3G. again billed per mb but also included in WnW
so as long as you dont use wap dialup (ive actually found the settings on my MDC2 and replaced some of the numbers with XXXX so that it can never physically dial up again anyway) then all your data calls, regardless of route will be included in your WnW price plan
That's fantastic news :-D
I know I would be worried, and checking the phone all hours to make sure otherwise (sad I know, but I'm tight... I admit it...)
I'll delete the WAP thing now... doubt I'll ever need it, never used it before.
jonajuna said:
will be listed as tmobile CS or similar in connections manager
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Sorry....
I can't find it :-/
I go Settings/Connections/Connections/Manage Existing Connections
But the only one listed is T-Mobile Internet...
is it as I'm using a T-Mobile NL ROM and it's not been installed? Or Am I in the wrong place?
Regards.
Web'n'Walk'n'Pay
I am on Web'n'Walk; for my £20 a month I can surf/email without further thought on whether it says 'G' or 'U' in the top banner. Free, included. And with MSN Mobile, I've emailed freely on Hotmail from around the world for around 30p a day. My only complaint is that if there is a sniff of 3G reception, the MDA Pro latches onto it and ignores the much better GPRS reception, leaving me to watch it give up and reconnect, only to sniff that 3G again...
I too got stung by an overnight WAP connection and the resultant £35 bill even though im on 'walk n web'. I rang customers services who correctly told me that GPRS connection is included but WAP connection excluded but as a 'good will' gesture they would deduct £15 from the bill.
So question - how do you delete/amend the wap connection?
Wop WAP
WAP... stands for Computer Remote Access Protocol... :lol:
Sorry for being so thick, but I never realized there was such a thing as a wap connection. Would someone be so kind as to how explain how to disable it? TIA!
If you want to connect using GPRS only then surely can't you just select GSM in Phone Options instead of UMTS or GSM+UMTS? Then the phone will be forced to connect to your 2.5G/2G internet services.
moghisi101 said:
If you want to connect using GPRS only then surely can't you just select GSM in Phone Options instead of UMTS or GSM+UMTS? Then the phone will be forced to connect to your 2.5G/2G internet services.
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WAP isn't a 3G service, so won't be exluded if you get rid of the UMTS will it? Anyone know how to put XXXX's in the number to stop it connecting?
Guys, I just want to confirm that my Ameo really is running on 3.5G (HSDPA). Is there some icon or way to confirm that? I see the 3G icon at the top but bandwidth test returns 1.1 mbps and I expect more from HSDPA. Or does T-Mobile need to set a switch on their end? I have the web-n-walk plan.
Thanks,
Krip
1.1 is HSDPA, not UTMS
When connected to normal 3G network my Dopod U1000 shows a 3G icon, after HSDPA network covered it will show a H icon.
simdao said:
When connected to normal 3G network my Dopod U1000 shows a 3G icon, after HSDPA network covered it will show a H icon.
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hi, since you can connect to the HSDPA, can you kindly do a test for me for this problem?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302827
Am i on HSDPA....
As soon as you get higher bandwidth than 384 Kbps then you are on HSDPA regardless of what the icon on your phone reads, most networks have the feature enabled to register the "H" icon whebn you are using HSDPA but not all. The message is part of a SIB broadcast and is set as a parameter on the BTS cell that covers you - if this message is not enabled then you will only ever see the "3G" icon
As for speed 1.1 Mbps is about average if you are in a well populated area, the restriction comes mostly from the capacity available in in the BTS site serving you, most operators only have around 2x E1 (approx 4 Mbps) for the entire site so if you have more than 1 user on HSDPA then you will only get around 1 Mbps each - this dynamicaly adjusts if there is more bandwidth available for you to use. To get the higher speeds then you must be in a cell that uses 16QAM modulation (Tytn has this feature) and T-Mobile has this enabled on every site in the network but not all operators do!
normal 3G is 384Kbps download Hsdpa on T-mobile is restricted to their max network speed of 1Mbps but there are rumours of them soon going to 3.8 mbps, but the athena maxes out at 1.8 mbps anyway, so if you want full speed get a USB dongle.
web and walk plus
Im not sure if you are aware but to enable the hsdpa you must be on the "web and walk max" package in the uk.
If you are on the standard W&W package you will not benefit. I have the MAX W&W and can now enjoy the faster hsdpa connection, further more I can get faster speeds using my ameo and wifirouter linked to my laptop than I actualy get via my usb tmobile dongle.
In a nutshell, dont pay extra for the slower hsdpa dongle, not when you can pay £5 extra for the W&WMAX and enjoy wireless connection at a higher speed. I usualy use my laptop with the ameo tucked away inside my suit jacket, and often have people wondering where my dongle is!
hedgemonstahinz said:
Im not sure if you are aware but to enable the hsdpa you must be on the "web and walk max" package in the uk.
If you are on the standard W&W package you will not benefit. I have the MAX W&W and can now enjoy the faster hsdpa connection, further more I can get faster speeds using my ameo and wifirouter linked to my laptop than I actualy get via my usb tmobile dongle.
In a nutshell, dont pay extra for the slower hsdpa dongle, not when you can pay £5 extra for the W&WMAX and enjoy wireless connection at a higher speed. I usualy use my laptop with the ameo tucked away inside my suit jacket, and often have people wondering where my dongle is!
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Not true, I have both W&W added to my phone account and W&Wmax on a data card and both sims are capable of full 1mbps HSDPA in either device
Restricted network speeds on T-Mobile
ice_coffee said:
normal 3G is 384Kbps download Hsdpa on T-mobile is restricted to their max network speed of 1Mbps but there are rumours of them soon going to 3.8 mbps, but the athena maxes out at 1.8 mbps anyway, so if you want full speed get a USB dongle.
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Hi there, T-Mobile does not have any restrictions on download speeds apart from your service level (wnw max, plus etc) almost all wnw users can use the maximum speed available to them (apart from the newer users). The network is fully 3.8Mbps already and has been for around 9 months, within the next 8 weeks it will be 9.6Mbps capable (with a new datacard or release 6 mobile device) and within 6 months they should be around 10.7Mbps capable - most of the restrictions that users see (speeds not higher than 1.2Mbps etc) come from lack of capacity in the BTS site or transmission backhaul, the system automaticaly restricts bandwidth per user so that all users can be served at the same time, and it's not often nowadays that you only get 1 data user per BTS site!! not in built up areas......:-D
W'n'W Std = £7.50/month - No HSDPA (except on some older contracts) 1Gb FUP no tethering
W'n'W Plus = £12.50/ Month - HSDPA - speeds vary depending on congestion - Athena limited to 1,8Mb max 3Gb FUP No VOIP tethering allowed
W'n'W Max = £25? / Month As plus but with VOIP
Unless someone wants to correct me that's how I believe it stands (the old W'n'W Pro for £10/month was only available for a few months)
T do not limit speeds but the 1.8/3.6/7.2 etc are maximums which are shared so you are unlikely to ever get 'full' speed.
My 3G vs HSPDA test from San Antonio
I have a AT&T Tilt. Freshly programed with the 6.1 AT&T Rom. Minimal upgrades like color KB etc.. I have a Panasonic CF-74 connected to the PDA via USB. I ran 4 test each using 3G and HSPDA.
Here is what I found. Using the stock Internet Sharing provided on the PDA.
Active Sync 4.5.
Web site used: http://www.speedtest.net
3G test 1 2 3 4
ping 323ms 165 182 167
DL 1.33mb 1.01 1.35 1.10
Up .34 .80 .52 .24
HSPDA test 1 2 3 4
ping 292ms 189 640 113
DL .99mb .85 .72 1.01
Up .06 .31 .02 .41
It seems to me that 3G is faster.
I rebooted both laptop and pda after each test.
I connected to google once before running each test.
I waited 5 minutes after each boot up.
I used Keiser Tweak.
Nothing was syncing
Hmm,
I'm located in Singapore.
For some reason, after my HTC TP2 switch to 3G instead of HSDPA..
The Opera and Youtube speed is sooo much faster as compare with HSDPA.
When I was on HSDPA, the Opera is slow loading and Youtube a few time with reload for buffering.
Where else, on 3G.. the download speed is so much faster.
The first clip of the video start to play.. I can see the progress bar is on the
way to complete the video loading.
This proof 3G is better in Singapore with Starhub connection.
I still wonder
BTW, this is what I change in the Registry.
Locate the following key in the registry:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Internet Settings
On the Edit menu, point to New, click DWORD Value, and then add the following registry values:
Value name: MaxConnectionsPer1_0Server
Value data: 32
Base: Decimal
Value Name: MaxConnectionsPerServer
Value data: 16
Base: Decimal
Exit Registry Editor.
then softreset and do a speed test
hsdpa
I need the help. But there is no such option under "advanced network" on the htc tilt 2(Enable/Disabled hsdpa option).What programs recomended for me
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anyone know i this will work with t-mobile's new HSPA network?
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I have a AT&T Tilt. Freshly programed with the 6.1 AT&T Rom. Minimal upgrades like color KB etc.. I have a Panasonic CF-74 connected to the PDA via USB. I ran 4 test each using 3G and HSPDA.
Here is what I found. Using the stock Internet Sharing provided on the PDA.
Active Sync 4.5.
Web site used: http://www.speedtest.net
3G test 1 2 3 4
ping 323ms 165 182 167
DL 1.33mb 1.01 1.35 1.10
Up .34 .80 .52 .24
HSPDA test 1 2 3 4
ping 292ms 189 640 113
DL .99mb .85 .72 1.01
Up .06 .31 .02 .41
It seems to me that 3G is faster.
I rebooted both laptop and pda after each test.
I connected to google once before running each test.
I waited 5 minutes after each boot up.
I used Keiser Tweak.
Nothing was syncing
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i used samsung galaxy s wen showing H icon instead of 3g on att usa california, it gave results of 4.1mbps,
i used sonyericsson x10 on att showing 3g icon (it never shows H icon ever though), on att usa california it gave me max speed of 3.97 mbps
heavyio said:
I have a AT&T Tilt. Freshly programed with the 6.1 AT&T Rom. Minimal upgrades like color KB etc.. I have a Panasonic CF-74 connected to the PDA via USB. I ran 4 test each using 3G and HSPDA.
Here is what I found. Using the stock Internet Sharing provided on the PDA.
Active Sync 4.5.
Web site used: http://www.speedtest.net
3G test 1 2 3 4
ping 323ms 165 182 167
DL 1.33mb 1.01 1.35 1.10
Up .34 .80 .52 .24
HSPDA test 1 2 3 4
ping 292ms 189 640 113
DL .99mb .85 .72 1.01
Up .06 .31 .02 .41
It seems to me that 3G is faster.
I rebooted both laptop and pda after each test.
I connected to google once before running each test.
I waited 5 minutes after each boot up.
I used Keiser Tweak.
Nothing was syncing
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I'm getting similar results with my Samsung Captivate on a customer ROM. 3G seems to produce faster results than HSPDA.
i used this tweak on windowsphone
works great!
Hi all,
I've got an WM5 SPV M700 with the upgrade Orange FR ROM; I've upgrade the radio to the last version 1.50.08.11.
I've got HSDPA enable on my line .(With DSLReport I've got 656Kbp DL )
I've try the Registry tweak : HKLM/Software/OEM/RIL and create a DWORD EnableHSDPAIcon=1.
I've soft reset and check he registry. Everything is Ok.
When I do a DATA connection I never got the "H" Icon but aalways the 3G.
I've check around XDA search tool, google and other tools. The only thing I fond was the twaek or .cab file doing the registry modification.
I've check inside my \windows directory and there is the 3G, EDGE, GPRS, 1XRTT bmp icons but no HSDPA icon.
A frien has done the upgrade with WM6 and he have the HSDPA icon on the screen but nothing inside is \windows directory.
My questions :
- Is it possible to have H icon with WM5 ?
- DO I need to create an HSDPA_connect.bmp icon or something else ?
- Did someone have a magical cab ?
Chears,
Florian.
Are you in area that support (H)igh speed data connections?
I have 3G to allways on the sceen too, and when i use internet, it can show only 3G if there are not highspeed support.
example: when im at work im using only 3G ("3G" on the screen) connection because my carrier has not highspeed support in that area, but when im midle of my city where my carrier has highspeed data support, the H ("H")come on my screen when im using internet/download data. If you are in 3G area it dosnt meen that you allways can use the (H)SPDA speed, its depend on your carrier
sorry for my poor english but hope u understand what i meen
no proble with your english ;-)
Yes I'm in a HSDPA coverage area and I've test the speed and I downloading with a higher spped than 3G. I've also check with the FieldTest programm and the HSDPA CQI status are Ok to tell me that I'm HSDPA connected.
Are you running windowsmobile 5 or 6 ?
My OS version is 1.23.73.3
My Radio version is 1.50.08.11
Oh my god, there is really something strange : I'm walking inside my office and I juste have got an H icon.
The conclusio is that : The last Radio Rom plus the Registry tweak works inside WM5.
I'm now a happy man.
The explanation, is that behind my PC I've got a poor HSDPA signal
We can close the thread.
F.
Just on question?
is really 656kbps really above normal 3G speed?
in my case when Orange France stuck me to 3Gndslreports show me around 300kb, when i'm hsdpa enable the spped go to 600 kb
yes this normal because the speed are real speed when you read that hsdpa it's about 1,8mb this theorical speed wich are never seen.
One more thing remember that or kilobits and over are kilobytes. the conversion is very simple : 1 bytes = 8 bits
also there difference by measuring IP speed and radio speed. to explain your ISP sales an adsl ne speedup to 18Mb, remeber that this ATM Speed the IP speed is around 40% less due to ethernet and atm overhead ...
Hi All,
As UK Vodafone CS were no help what so ever...I thought I would ask the experts.
I recently updated my phone via Sony Update software to
R3AA013
At home all seemed fine I created a new wap and connection and setup email etc and on the 'H' network all was fine.
Unfortunately at work I have a weak signal and only ever get G. Problem is now the phone seems to be unable to connect to this, just seems to cycle through attempts then gives up.
Is it best to reapply the firmware update and start again or are there any settings I can check first?
As I say in the HSDPA signal is seems to work fine...
Thanks in advance!
Paul.
Personally i have only got a 3G signal in Crystal Palace but no where else - i sometimes see H but that is always a very low signal and sometimes G with a high signal - dont know which is better - and yea im not to sure about G working either - G isnt 3G though 3G=3G but yea it would seem vodafone suck and their CS is more than awful and rubbish
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Personally i have only got a 3G signal in Crystal Palace but no where else - i sometimes see H but that is always a very low signal and sometimes G with a high signal - dont know which is better - and yea im not to sure about G working either - G isnt 3G though 3G=3G but yea it would seem vodafone suck and their CS is more than awful and rubbish
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I very rarely see the 3G symbol too. I normally get H and G. I just walked out the office and the G went to H and I could get pages again. Does anyone know what is going on?
try next time u r at work going into "settings", "connections", "advanced", "select network" - and switch settings there from My ISP to WEB - then try connecting again.
I had the same problem for a while and this helped. However, occasionally I have to switch around when I m in an "H" signal area. Dont know why that is but I guess its not the only weird thing about this phone
Hi Amanox,
Thanks...I tried that work around, it shows the solid G and two dialled connections but when you try and access a page on IE or Opera... both say they can't locate remote server.
It's really frustrating.
Regards,
Paul.
When is shows GPRS (G), it may be that the Vodafone cell-sites (transmitter pylons) transmitter cards do not have the capacity to allow data over that frequency, whereas the 3G/3.5G (HSDPA) transmitter cards have ample bandwidth?
Just a sort of educated guess. Either that or something is screwed up in your account settings at Voda's end not allowing it.
I don't have this problem at all ...I get 3G or HSDPA most of the time in London -GPRS is the fall-back I think, when neither of the faster options is available.
What puzzled me, and I thought it might just have something to do with your issue, is that you mention manually setting up networks:-
"created a new wap and connection and setup email etc"
I do of course have tp set up Email, but have never had to set up wap or anything else ...when I've hard reset (upgrading ROMs etc -am now on R3A too) I have only ever had to enter my SIM / PIN code and that's it -I'm connected to 3G (or H or G depending on what's available)
Nothing set manually at all -other than email account (and WIFI/bluetooth connections)
My guess is that you have chosen the wrong APN. As I'm from Germany I do not know the correct setup for Internet access in the UK, but Vodafone Germany differs between WAP and WEB access as well. WAP access is really limited to a special bunch of sites, so maybe your problems are related to an incorrect setup of the APN.
Jcsxda, sorry to puzzle you. I created a Manual internet profile and a Wap connection profile as I can't edit the My Isp one the phone came configured with. I thought by creating it manually it might fix the problem. I used a Vodafone configuration guide for the SONY X1 so I must have the right APN's etc.
Foo you mentioned the APN might be wrong if that was true I would assume I would not see any connections. When I tap on connectivity info box I see a Voda INT (GPRS, 3G) and a contract WAP (GPRS, 3G) both with a timer counting up. I have set that programs that use the internet use the standard My ISP, then for programs that use a private network I have told it to use the manual connection which I setup using the UK Vodafone configuration guide.
Oh and I re-installed the firmware last night, but still have the same problem.
G, 3G and HSPDA are pretty much the same thing in terms of connecting. It's just the speeds they run at.
GPRS is around 56 kbit/s
3G (UMTS) is around 384 kbit/s
HSPDA on Vodafone UK is up to 7.2 mbit/s (although a lot of cells are at 3.6 and some are at 1.8)
Vodafone Greece have just released HSPA+ with speeds of 21.6 mbit/s.
In the UK most 3G cells have been upgraded to support HSPDA, so if your phone supports HSPDA (the X1) then you will find it rare to come across the 3G symbol.
I switch between using both the WAP and the INTERNET apns (images better on WAP, however more apps run on INTERNET), and switch between G and H through the house and never have a problem.
I would suggest making sure that the settings are 100% correct.
The INTERNET apn is the easiest as it doesn't need any proxy settings.
The apn is internet and the username and password are both web
artesea said:
G, 3G and HSPDA are pretty much the same thing in terms of connecting. It's just the speeds they run at.
GPRS is around 56 kbit/s
3G (UMTS) is around 384 kbit/s
HSPDA on Vodafone UK is up to 7.2 mbit/s (although a lot of cells are at 3.6 and some are at 1.8)
Vodafone Greece have just released HSPA+ with speeds of 21.6 mbit/s.
In the UK most 3G cells have been upgraded to support HSPDA, so if your phone supports HSPDA (the X1) then you will find it rare to come across the 3G symbol.
I switch between using both the WAP and the INTERNET apns (images better on WAP, however more apps run on INTERNET), and switch between G and H through the house and never have a problem.
I would suggest making sure that the settings are 100% correct.
The INTERNET apn is the easiest as it doesn't need any proxy settings.
The apn is internet and the username and password are both web
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Hi Artesea,
Please correct me if I am wrong but if I had the APN's details wrong wouldn't I be unable to surf in H areas? Which I can. It's only when just the G is displayed I can't get any access. The manual connection I created I have not added anything other than.
internet
web
web
wap.vodafone.co.uk
wap
wap
The crazy thing is it was all happy before I installed the firmware update..although the connection has always been weak I did get a connection at work.
Maybe I should just be happy I can still get phone calls and spend less time looking at my email...
The wap apn sometimes need (and therefore it is advisable to have) some extra proxy details.
You should have ticked "This network connects to the Internet" and "This network uses a proxy server to connect to the Internet" with "212.183.137.12" as the Proxy server.