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XDA GPRS : Sharing with Laptop via IR or CABLE?

Ok. Please don't tell me to search. I have. If you have found the magic cure, then can you possible and nicely show me there this thread is?
PROBLEM:
No internet access for Laptop on 1.5 hour train trip.
However, TMOBILE XDA phone has good GPRS signal.
REQUIREMENT:
Share GPRS internet connection coming through XDA with laptop.
SOLUTION (?) :
None found. Might test this one : http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cach...aptop-howto.pdf+gprs+laptop+ir&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Alt Link to above: http://tomt.ath.cx/attachments/gprs-turkcell-laptop-howto.pdf
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I understand boot mode (wallaby) where it can be used as traditional cellular modem. That's limited to speed problems, and I don't wish to pursue that.
I also found a link in Microsoft newsgroup (recaptured in google groups), but I need to track those individuals down:
http://groups.google.com/[email protected]&rnum=1
Thanks, hope we all can figure this out.

With wm2003 4.00.33 German there is the "Wireless Modem" application built in which works with my MDA. I don't know if that application also works with an english ROM. Maybe there is a ROM-Update out there and the wireless modem is included.
Fidl

Thanks. I just checked both PROGS and CONNECTIONS, no such thing.
New to my ENG 4.05.00 is GPRS AUTHENTICATION in the connections/networking seciton, but nothing else.

wize_1 said:
Thanks. I just checked both PROGS and CONNECTIONS, no such thing.
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I know that the wireless modem is NOT included with your 4.00.05 ROM. It was included in the 3.17.03 ENG ROM from O2.
Maybe you give a try to the wmodem.exe i extracted from my german ROM.....
Good Luck!
Fidl

Great!!! I'll try tonight installing that and will let everyone know.

One question, however. From reading other threads (I finally found some), I noticed that the laptop should be running XP.
I guess the question really is, what are the step-by-step instructions to complete the configuration and get the laptop on the internet. I would think that they were:
(1) Getting the phone to have WMODEM [complete]
(2) Powering the phone up, and running WMODEM app [complete]
(3) Powering up the laptop, and then discovering a device [unknown]
(4) Creating a new DUN (dial up networking) connection on the laptop and using the mystery modem device just discovered [unknown]
(5) Configuring SOME NUMBER to dial as the connection parameters [unknown]
(6) Connecting
I would think that the phone would accept the incoming 'request' for it to act as a wireless modem, and initiate a gprs connection, and then do some sort of NAT.
Does ANYONE have ANY more information on how this might work?
Is XP required?

GPRS Settings
You need a Serial Cable or an Irda COM Port available. XP is not required. I do Irda on W2k (it also works with XP)
Check this link for Instructions and the Irda-Driver:
http://www.myxda.com/html/HowToUse/XdaII/How to setup Wireless Modem for IrDA.htm
The important thing is to install a Standard Modem over some COM port and use Advanced Settings for your AccessPoint i.e
AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","web.one.at","",0,0
You then dial "*99#" (without the quotes)
Fidl

I gave up and bought an aircard!
:lol:

Where do we stand on the best solutions?
I have the same problem except I am also interested in getting the XDA to act as a wireless modem for circuit-switched data calls (7Kbps pipe).
I first saw the most pertinent information at http://www.xda-developers.com/modem/ but the page is labeled "superseded". As I understand, as soon as we get ROM 3.16.43 or above, all the "intrusive" trick posted on the page originally is obsolete.
My first question is about the "intrusive" trick there. It sure looks like the trick will get the XDA to act as a wireless modem for your laptop to make circuit-switched data calls (consuming minutes, 7Kbps only). Does it get the laptop to make GPRS connection (45Kbps) as well, assuming I subscribe to T-Mobile's data plan ($20/mo, unlimited data under promotion)?
My second question is, once we get a ROM version that gives a "wireless modem" program, can I make both types of data calls? Sounds like yes for the answer.
If so, great. Let's assume so. T-Mobile US is at ROM 3.14.40 ENG right now. In a matter of a month or two, they are going to post the upgrade for Windows Pocket PC 2003. A tier 2 tech guy told me that it will probably come with a ROM upgrade. I feel that the chances are high that that ROM version provides this "wireless modem" program. If so, isn't it true that the upgrade basically converts our XDA's into a Sierra Wireless AirCard 750, and then some? Or I am off track somewhere?
The tech support told me that the AirCard 750 approach calls for a SIM card for the air card. You would have to either open a new line for a new SIM card, quite costly, or eject the SIM card from your PPC and place it into the air card each time you use it, quite a hassle. Hardware capability wise, XDA is just an AirCard 750, and then some. It's rediculous that it was not made as such to begin with. Maybe it was just a matter of development phases to roll out functionalities gradually and we are getting there?

Hello! I´ve got only one problem left with the xda II
Does anybody know how it ist possible to get the shown data from the XDA2´s IE on the screen of a notebook? I have a wsp flatrate and want to read the text on a bigger screen......... ist that possible? does anybody have experience with this topic?

Re: Hello! I´ve got only one problem left with the xda II
alamor said:
Does anybody know how it ist possible to get the shown data from the XDA2´s IE on the screen of a notebook? I have a wsp flatrate and want to read the text on a bigger screen......... ist that possible? does anybody have experience with this topic?
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Well, there is this remote display application at YORCH.NET
"Remote Display Control for Pocket PC
With the Remote Display Control application, you can display actions on a Pocket PC, including user input, remotely on the display of a desktop or laptop personal computer. This is a great tool for demonstrating the power of the Pocket PC to a large audience. It also allows developers to test their applications for the Pocket PC on a larger screen.
size: 712KB"
I didn't try it yet, it sounds quite interesting for multiple purposes.

Confused: IE wants to use GPRS rather than GSM

Hi,
Very confused about this. When I go into connections it lists work connections and when I click on manage work connections there is one I added: VirginNet which uses CSD. No other exists.
Whenever I access a web page it keeps trying to connect to O2 Internet using GPRS.
Any ideas how I get it to stop? Do I have to hit the registry?
Cheers

R u sure there's only 'my work network' & no entry like 'my isp'.
if not create one for the csd type you want & check the advanced tab as well. 'my isp' is for internet. 'my work' for lan.
regards, M

Here goes..
If you open connections, go to the second tab, and click the "select networks" button. This is where you tell the operating system what network connection to ue for which application. You'll be specifically interested in the internet portion, which is the first section.

I had no My ISP section but it obviously still had the details somewhere. I've had to hard reset and start again.
Thanks for the replies though.
I guess, even with a CSD rather than GPRS, if something on my pocketPC tries to connect it will still cost me.
I seem to remember in Pocket PC 2000 that it couldn't do this on its own, it always needed permission.

borgs said:
I had no My ISP section but it obviously still had the details somewhere. I've had to hard reset and start again.
Thanks for the replies though.
I guess, even with a CSD rather than GPRS, if something on my pocketPC tries to connect it will still cost me.
I seem to remember in Pocket PC 2000 that it couldn't do this on its own, it always needed permission.
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Well, you are going to pay for the phone minutes if you use dial up, or you pay for GPRS useage. Actually, I didn't even realize the Magician had a dial up modem...
In any case, you can establish a connection by going to Connections and adding a connection. Select "Cellular Line" (which is the default, and go from there). I haven't done it with the Magician, but I have used dial up with WM2003.

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Man,as far as I learnt from my master courses, the GSM is a method for calling.For data transferring,it's GPRS........So if you wanna IE transfer data for ya,GPRS is needed.

That's not entirely true, you can configure a csd connection like with a regular modem.Which dials a number & have the data over the phone call.
Works OK PIE won't see the diff.
Cheers, M

I'm using CSD rather than GPRS because I can use my voice allowance of 200 minutes per month for data access. I've just checked my bill and, going via VirginNet dialup, it is using my allowance rather than being charged. It's slow but I can access the internet on the small number of occasions that I need to.
The question is; if something requires internet access on my pocket PC will it just go ahead and dial up now? Those 200 minutes won't last long if it fails to disconnect.
I would prefer it if the device would actually ask before it went ahead to get internet access.

Yes it will dial up & show shortly a message with the cancel/hide buttons. I'm on flatfee gprs from TMO & don't bother, so I can use journal bar, timesync, true imap mail (vgs mail), have automatic virus scan updates etc. etc. I guess your 200min. will be gone soon. In the Netherlands the internet dial-up numbers are seperate and expensive, so keep an eye on it.
Cheers, M

It all depends on the application you use.
IE won't connect on its own without you telling it to go to a web page. Messaging won't connect without you telling it to connect occasionally either.
Well-developed programs like Worldmate and PocketWeather won't either. You have to specifically allow them to connect, but it's program-dependent. If you install some rogue program that doesn't ask you, then yes, you will have problems.
Just remember that if you dial up using CSD, you will be connecting at around cellular speed 14.4Kbps (unless you connect to a HS connection, which I'm not sure the JARJAR even supports).

Hi,
Thanks for all the info.
In the end I've created 2 CSD profiles, one with user id info etc. and one without. When I don't intend to use the internet I set it to the one without. If anything attempts to get internet access it gets stuck at the network log on dialog and doesn't actually dial out - unless I accidentally hit the ok button on the handset. Best I can do I think.
When I want internet access I switch to the proper profile and it dials out normally.
Don't see why Microsoft couldn't provide a "Don't dial out" profile but there you go.
Cheers

I had a question pertaining to GSM/GPRS. Will the Magician/Jam, etc be able to upgrade to EDGE service once it is available in the U.S. at a decent rate? Will companies force us to upgrade our devices? How long will GPRS be available to consumers?

It's ALIVE .. OSX using Jasjar as a modem .. and working !!

I'm just so excited I had to post, I got my Powerbook (OSX 10.4) and my XDA Exec working together, the Exec as a Bluettoth modem thru O2
SO now I am able to browse the web/get emails on my Powerbook using the EXEC as a GPRS/3G modem .. Anywhere
All I had to do was:
1 - Flash be bios with the Jasjar one (??) (I had done this before, I dont know if it works with the O2 bios, I will assume it will)
2 - On EXEC, start Bluettoth and make it discoverable, run "Wireless modem" under programs .. enable Bluettoth modem in "Wireless Modem"
3 - on Powerbook, Setup a new Bluetooth device, choose "any device" . it will find the Jasjar/Exec .. pair them.
4 - On PB, go to "internet connect" .. click on bluettoth, create a new config with:
Description: O2 Web
Tel. Number: *99#
user: mobileweb
passwd: password
modem: au cdmaOne Bluetooth adapter
then just click "connect" and your on the web (well, at least I am)
good luck
Null

I can confirm it's working with DOPOD 900 chinese rom with HongKong Sunday GPRS.
The problem of MAC can't connect with old version of wireless modem (e.g. wireless modem on XDA Mini) is because there is no option to set the gprs AP, however, it is avalible in unverisal's wireless modem application.
Moreover , au cdmaone bluetooth adaptor is the only working modem setting with universal.
I am looking for this solution since a got my Powerbook G4! Thanks!!!!!!

I've got it working with my powerbook as well on tmobile US over GPRS. Really wish we had UMTS available over here :-( It was actually much easier to get working with my QTEK 9000 than with the PDA2k. There is a secret to getting older ones to work though in 10.4 You need to get a copy of the bluetooth serial utility which allows you to create ports, and then you use GPRS modem scripts and completely circumvent the wireless modem software on the phone itself. If anybody needs the bluetooth app (it came iwth older versions of os X but not X.4) or the scripts, lemme know

Im guessing this just charges it to your bill at what ever rate you pay per meg yeh?
could be useful in an emergency but not for playing about on.
JAmes

jamfitz86 said:
Im guessing this just charges it to your bill at what ever rate you pay per meg yeh?
could be useful in an emergency but not for playing about on.
JAmes
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i dunno about where you are mate but here in Hong Kong we got two operators with unlimited GPRS plans for HK$128 a month. i'm on the Sunday one (as mentioned above with the Powerbook dude, i'm gonna try it on my dad's powerbook tonight too) and there's another operator called Peoples that offers the same thing.
that's like 13 euros a month, or 16USD...somewhere around that figure.
i'm sure there's something similar in other parts of the world too~

I tried this on my tmobile MDA and it worked perfectly right away. I didn't have to change roms or anything like that.

Browsing the web while on a call? possible?

is there any way on my mda i can use the wifi to browse the web while i talk on the phone via bluetooth or even wired? i heard theres a reg tweak but i cant locate it after many searches. please give me sum knowledge!

Not possible at the same time with GPRS/EDGE because your phone is class B. No class A phones are sold retail yet.
Yoıu have to suspend the call and browse the web or vice versa..

That's funny I can surf (either using WiFi or GPRS) and speak at the same time!
It was one of the main reasons I chose the qteck 9000.

OK! I edit..
You can not use GPRS/EDGE at the same time with phone call. One must be suspended. You CAN use wired or Wifi while talking on the phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54738&highlight=

if you use UMTS connection and your provider is supporting it, you CAN surf while talking on the phone.

I confirm, Orange France does allow simultaneous 3G web + voice access I did the tests:
Was on a call switched to email picked up new mail, switched to PIE surfed some news sites as I kept on chating on the phone!
I thought the same was true with GPRS but I never did the above test over a GPRS connection...

It also works for T-Mobile in the UK, I use my MDA PRO as a 3G modem plugged into my PC via USB all day long, and can have phonecalls at exactly the same time as using the internet.
Neither one has to be "suspended", they both work at the same time (although internet use is a bit slower when you're on a call, because they both use the same bandwidth).
I haven't tested it with GPRS, that might well be different as 3G has a lot more bandwidth available than GPRS/CSD...

A few questions for sl9:
1. do you use the included Wmodem program to do this or did you configure something on your PC manually?
2. could you do the same with a BT connection from the WM5 machine to your PC (instead of using the USB cable)?
3. would using BT lower the available surfing speed on the PC?
4. what sort of data plan do you have to be able to "be connected all day"?
Thanks!

edeplano said:
A few questions for sl9:
1. do you use the included Wmodem program to do this or did you configure something on your PC manually?
2. could you do the same with a BT connection from the WM5 machine to your PC (instead of using the USB cable)?
3. would using BT lower the available surfing speed on the PC?
4. what sort of data plan do you have to be able to "be connected all day"?
Thanks!
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1. Yes, I am using WModem with the USB cable so the MDA PRO acts like a 3G broadband modem to my PC.
2. There should be no reason why you can't do the same with Bluetooth. But bear in mind Bluetooth is SLOWER than 3G (it's about as fast as GPRS), so if you want to use the full speed of 3G, you need to use the USB connection. IR (Infra-Red) is much faster than Bluetooth and faster than 3G, but slower than USB.
3. Yes - see no. 2 above for the reason why.
4. I am on T-Mobile UK's Web & Walk Professional, "unlimited" 3G and GPRS data use (they say 2GB max usage per month, but I never get near that). So I stay connected to my home PC from my office PC all day long with remote desktop :mrgreen: Surprsingly, this doesn't use too much bandwidth - this month I used about 600MB which is far below the 2GB they allow.
T-Mobile in the UK have the best data tarriff by FAR, I have this bolted onto a superb base voice tarriff too which is Flext 20 - a brilliant companion to WnW PRO in fact probably the best combo tarriff there is on any network, in any country :mrgreen:
Note: You can also use activesync at the same time as 3G WModem and making a voice call(!).
I have tested connecting to my PC with Activesync over bluetooth, connecting my PC to the internet using WModem over 3G with USB, and then making a voice call on my phone. It all worked! I could surf the net whilst talking on the phone and ActiveSync was busy synchronizing my calendar and e-mails at the same time. This is truly an amazing device, I love my MDA PRO :mrgreen:

Thanks for the quick reply!

OK guys.. the first post was about MDA, you are talking about 3G and MDA :?
I only mention about GPRS/EDGE not 3G/wired or smth. else..
I think we are not on the same thing. Forgive me if I am wrong..

do i have to change any settins to get wifi/phone call to work? because i cant seem to get it to go yet

For wi-fi + phone I o not think there is any settings that need changing.
Are you sure you have enough battery? If the level is low it could be possible there is not enough power to handle both radios...
Also are you sure both wi-fi and telephone work correctly if used by themselves?
Finally do you have an MDA IV (ie HTC Universal) because otherwise your in the wrong forum from the start!

i`m sure the wifi and the phone work themselves. and i have a tmobile mda tthe us version... i`lll try again and let u guys know what happens

Networking over USB?

Hi!
Is it possible to connect a WM6 PDA via a PC to the internet (over the USB-cable)?
I need to debug an application, and therefore run tcpdump somewhere do examine the packets. If I could route networking over my PC this would be possible.
Thanks!

unless you turn it off then when the pda is connected to activesync it have access to the same network as the pc running activesync

Rudegar said:
unless you turn it off then when the pda is connected to activesync it have access to the same network as the pc running activesync
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if thats the case then,why have i just received a bill of £22 for mobile data usage,when my kaiser is connected to my pc via usb???am i doing something wrong??if so,what? i'm a novice when it comes to these matters!!lol

maybe you did it the other way... and your pc used your pda as a modem...
on my touch dual...
if you are using the Internet Sharing app, the comp/laptop uses the gprs/3g modem on your pda.
any other time... i think the pda uses the computer's connection by default.
There is a setting somewhere in "Settings" I think, cant remember the exact wording. Sorry... dont have me phone on me.

soggybiscuit said:
maybe you did it the other way... and your pc used your pda as a modem...
on my touch dual...
if you are using the Internet Sharing app, the comp/laptop uses the gprs/3g modem on your pda.
any other time... i think the pda uses the computer's connection by default.
There is a setting somewhere in "Settings" I think, cant remember the exact wording. Sorry... dont have me phone on me.
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I welcome your comments,thanks 4 getting in touch.I spoke to 3 different tmobile customer service reps and only after the 3rd person was I any nearer in finding out why i'm being charged for mobile data.i had 1 tmobile CSR try and tell me that tmobile own the wireless network and also that tmobile make the handsets not htc,how ill informed was she???one also siad that if i didnt refresh the page on my pc,then gprs would kick in and that was the reason iwas being charged,they also said i should contact my broadband provider,when i challenged them that i tmobile should not be charging me for mobile data,for using my own broadband,only then did i get passed onto technical advisors.They suggested that i totally erase all gprs settings,of which i had already done the previous night,i then asked them to see if any charges were on my account for yesterday,surprise surprise i'd been charged £1.27,i told them that i had erased all gprs settings,so why were charges still showing up on my account??i was met with your wireless signal is not powerful enough,of which i said hogwash because my next door neighbour can connect from her house,so i cant see as to how my signal is too weak for me to connect my kaiser or wizard to.They have rescinded all charges,but i cant understand for the life of me,if i aint got gprs settings,how can i still be charged by tmobile for using my own home network???might need to call ghostbusters!!LOL

Use PC INTERNET
On The Option Go To Connection And Choose Where It Says Your Computer Is Connected To Choose Internet And If Lan'd Choose Work Network

settings->connections->connections->advanced->select network
choose my work network in the dropdownbox

Rudegar said:
settings->connections->connections->advanced->select network
choose my work network in the dropdownbox
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i've tried what you have suggested,but still not working,i added to my previous post,let me know what you think pls,as it is really mysterious