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does real player really works?

hi
can anyone play this file with real player ppc?
http://www.radio.rai.it/live/radio1.ram
on pc, it plays
on ppc (xda/mdaII) no
why? thanks!!
official link:
http://www.realnetworks.com/industries/mobile/operators/products/player/ppc/

Its a stream from the net so it should work.. but listening to the radio via the net on your PPC would probably run up some hefty GPRS bills.
Its in .ram format, so it should work fine as long as your GPRS is connected.

thanks for your reply
the rai link provided it's only a 33kbit audio file
the following file is only 20kbit:
http://www.radio.rai.it/live/radio1.ram
when opening a ram or rm file it always tell me:
"Response or data from server timed out"
i've search a solution on this page, but without success:
http://service.real.com/help/player/realone/pocketpc/realone.html#troubleshootingyourro
thanks for any help! ;-P

I've tried many times and many links to listend and see streamed media via Real One,also with newer version.
Only 2 of 25 i've tried worked.
In fact,I don't know why they do not work.
Saluti

thank you ;-P
is your error alway the same?
thanks!
i think it depens from the pocket pc version
on real site they always write "ppc 2002)...
any other suggest?

can anyone help me please?
this page works on pc:
http://www.realnetworks.com/mobile/pocketpc/usa/entertainment_movies.html
but on my xda/mdaII not
the error is always the same:
"Response or data from server timed out"
on the official real player web site they invite customers to try their page!
http://service.real.com/test
but NO demo play with windows mobile 2003...
how it's possibile that REAL didn't try it's most famous software on the last windows mobile?
uhm...

I contacted Real about this a while ago, and they seem pretty clueless.
As you mentioned, none of their test files work, yet their response seemed to deny any problem on their end, to the effect of saying "some streams may not be compatible, contact the source of the stream".
Just plain useless if you ask me.
Now if only Radio4's listen again site did windows media (which works, er, 40% of the time)...
Incidentally, did you know Auntie Beeb is planning on a video service for their TV programmes? High quality 320x240 optimised encodings of their past week's programmes (ideal for PocketPC, in fact they've given a lot of PPC devices to their staff to test). Could be fantastic.

thanks for your reply
any other suggest?
how it's possible that no one have my problem?
real player really doesn't work on windows mobile 2003?
it' a big BUG!!!

It could be 2 things afaik
1 realplayer doesn't like nat. It needs to open aa connection back to the mobile device to send the data. The device opens a control channel, and the streaming server opens a streaming data connection. Why does it work on the pc? either the pc has a non natted public ip address, or the player falls back to streaming via the control channel, this isn't happening on the ppc player.
2 ppc realplayer doesn't like http streams and only supports rtsp streams

thank you for yout technical reply
i can only reply on point 2:
the links provided (rai) directyl redirect to rtsp streams files
if you watch the clip info during the first loading, real player ppc show the correct rstp location
i'll try with ppc2002
last year it worked with wifi connection

always seems ok (configuration & requirements):
http://www.expressresponse.com/cgi-...st_name=&last_name=&email_address=&telephone=
http://www.expressresponse.com/cgi-...cument&search_input=JSS_0019.html&session_id=[[session_id]]
but it doesn't work
damn real! :twisted:

i've compliled a support form on real web site, let's wait for their reply..

Its got to be a problem with REAL, as every stream ive tried in windows media player always seems to work.
I didnt manage to get any of those test streams to work.

yes!
with microsoft media player almost all files play in streaming!

Just found buried in O2's website:
Question 5:
Can I use Realplayer with Xda?
Answer:
Yes - all content stored on Xda will be usable. You are not able to stream Real content using O2 MobileWeb at this time.
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So I guess they block the necessary ports. No idea why they would want to, but it's their network after all.

Anyone interested in a home made VOD service?

As some of you asked me for the translation, I did it. I just put it here, so that you can all give a try if you want.
http://shaka-team.ch/kaliF.ProD/FuN_KeY/vod_eng.rar
A week ago I spent some time to build a home made Video On Demand system, and I was wondering if it could interest some of you. If you are interested I can translate it into english and write a little how-to.
My system is very simple; the computer with the data (films, divx, dvd, ...) will become a web server listing all available media and offering live streaming and transcoding to smartphones/pdas and/or other computers.
Usage:
I am far too lazy to convert my film/dvd to ppc format and to send it to the SD card; that's why I decided to stream the film I want to see directly over the wifi. I also use this when I am on the go with a computer/ppc and nothing to do, I can easily watch my films through the internet.
Requirement for the server:
-Win 2k/XP Pro/2k3 with IIS setuped
Requirement for the client (PDA):
-TCPMP installed
-A tytn (didn't tried with other device in fact, but it should work on most PDA/smartphone)
Requirement for the client PC:
-Divx codec or filter setuped
Limitation:
-If you plan to stream over the internet, keep in mind that the size of your upload will condition the quality of the video.
-Only one client can stream at the same time (in fact more clients can connect to the server, but they will all see the same film)
-No possibility to go forward/backward, you have to watch the entire film straith forward (you can pause as long as your device is able to hold the running film in the buffer)
SETUP
-On XP Pro, Win 2k, Win 2k3 go to control panel > add/remove software > integrated components
-Select and install IIS (www service is enough)
-Extract my app in c:\inetpub\wwwroot\vod
-Edit default.asp and replace "c:\film_path" by the path of your films (you can add many folders by copy-pasting this line)
-Edit the play.asp and replace "server_name" by the name or the IP of the computer
-Edit film.asx and replace "external_dns" by your external ip or DNS if you have one. You can also setup here the local name/ip of the computer (the same as in play.asp) but in this case you will not be able to stream your films from outside your home network
-If you are using the external IP/DNS, do not forget to configure your router/firewall to allow and to route the traffic from the socket 8080 to the computer hosting the app
-If you don't have a static IP, you can freely get a DNS that link to your dynamique IP; visit www.dyndns.org for more informations
-go at http://computer_name/vod and try to watch a film (There may be an issue with firefox; I may work on it a bit later)
SETUP, PPC Side
-Setup TCPMP 0.71RC1 or 0.72RC1; most of the versions available should be fine
-Go to setup menu and remove all the tick in directdraw page if you are experiencing strange behaviour with the picture
-Go to file association and tic at least Windows meta files (ASX, ...)
-Start pocket IE and go to http://server_name/vod; you should be able to watch your films by now
NOTES
-The app is able to handle DVD files, as long as it can detect the VIDEO_TS folders
-The app is limited to one user at the same time; I did this because my upload do not allow me to stream more
-There is still a slight syncro problem on PPC with the picture and the sound; sadly, I think that it is a TCPMP issue

I'd be VERY interested in trialling this service, as I installed Orb and, like many other people with the latest version (see the Orb support forums), it just doesn't work AT ALL.
So, I'm looking for a good replacement (which works!) - I'm not afraid of getting my hands dirty and tweaking, bug testing, so yeah - send me the details ... Just a quick questing regarding the requirement for IIS; what technology does this use, .net/ASP? If so, I might have to install an ASP filter for Apache (as I don't use IIS), or I might have to set up that fileserver machine I've been preparing to build for a while

Yes, it uses a ASP. Most of the time I code in php, but as my file server was under win2k3 I decided to "learn" ASP. But my code is very simple; I am pretty sure that it can be translated in php in about 15 minutes, I don't believe in php on windows and asp on linux

Well mate, you know who to PM with the details & info

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Main topic edited => UP !

Regarding ORB, I have it installed and it works flawlessly with my Tytn. I can select my home webcam to see how my puppy is doing while away from home. I can stream all my recorded TV shows and movies as well as watch live TV from anywhwere that has a decent Internet connection. I can also schedule TV shows to record, plus I have access to all my music and picture libraries. I love it - its simply the most amazing free software. I love that there is nothing required to install on my Tytn it just uses the web browser and WM10.

Too bad ORB does not support DVB-S cards.
BTW, I'm converting mpegs from my webcam into 3gp H.263 using ffmpeg, it
shrinks files about 1/100 (w/ 176x144 resolution 5fps only, which is ok for this
purpose).

Downloaded just now, but I'm going to bed (have you seen the time! 6am UK time ) so I'll give it a try either tomorrow or beginning of next week.

I know orb, and it is a service that work great. But in my case I dont like the use of external server that I cannot control; that's why I prefere doing it my way. My app is not here to replace orb, it is just a small alternative that do the thing a bit different.

RTSP Breakthrough (kind of)

Hey guys! This is my first post so go easy on me (I apologize in advance to any mods if this is in the wrong section )
I own an Eten X500 so I couldn't really find a thread area that best suited for this topic. Regardless, this is a technique that I discovered by sheer accident that may help to relieve some of the stress of RTSP playback in WM5/6 devices.
For a while I have been attempting to playback rtsp feeds on my x500 because I happen to know of a couple live TV RTSP feeds (ESPN, MTV, etc..) and I thought it would be pretty damn cool to watch them on my phone via WiFi or whatever. However, my attempts seemed to keep failing; both pvplaver and the "HTC Streaming Video" app seemed to fail when I attempted to playback a file via an RTSP url. The only streaming video that seemed to work is orb (god bless this program) but TV streams could only be viewed via a TV Tuner built into your PC. Thats when I had my idea:
1) Create an easily accessible folder on your hard drive (i.e. C:\streams)
2) Within the folder create a shortcut to your feed by right clicking within the explorer window and selecting new->shortcut
3) Type the location of the RTSP feed into the dialouge box that appears (you can test it with one of my feeds, MTV BRAND NEW CHANNEL "rtsp://213.75.12.60/mtv_new_low" without the quotes.)
4)Click next
5) Label the shortcut with something you'll remember and click finish.
6) This is probably an important time to make sure you have orb installed and running. If not, you can download it HERE.
7) Once your orb server is set up, connect to it (with your Windows mobile device) via your mycast login page ("https://mycast.orb.com/orb/html/login.html").
8) Instead of browsing through your media, which for the most part is all you ever use orb for, use the "File Browser" tool found at the top of your mycast page. Navigate to your streams folder (i.e. C:\streams) and select your shortcut.
9) Voila! Windows Media Player should popup and your watching live TV on your Windows Mobile Phone via a simpe RTSP feed.
Hope someone can make use of this information or even figur out why it works, I figure this is the least I could do considering how many goodies I leech off of you guys!
Regards,
AIRBOURNE

AIRBOURNE said:
why it works
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Because RTSP, by default, doesn't work in NAT / behind firewalls and the two players you've listed (in addition to RealOne player) doesn't support HTTP fallback.
Orb, on the other hand, doesn't require back connections and, therefore, works even over restricted connections.
(BTW, great article! I'll link it in from my forthcoming Streaming Bible.)

Live streaming FROM Hermes ??

OK, I did search thru Google & didn't see any thread about live streaming from Hermes( besides this ones & alike: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320573 , http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=288857 )
Is there any application out there to use Hermes as live video cam to stream video(using 3G/Wi-Fi) directly from Hermes itself without using a PC? Basically u'd be able to 'telecast' in real time... I guess, then it'll need something like pocket Y! msngr(if there's any, "PPC-Skype" don't have any options to carry video) or similar to carry live video streaming out...
Does Windows Live for WM6 have an option to carry vids?
Any thoughts/help is highly appreciated

You mean 2 people w/ Hermes on a video chat? That would be interesting, isnt that what the video dialer is for? I want to know if something like this works..

The Hermes doesn't have anything approaching sufficient hardware to be able to capture AND encode AND broadcast in realtime, or even anything approaching that... The only reason things like CoolCamera work is because the PC's doing half the work, the phone's just passing a raw stream via its AS connection.
Plus, with the majority of 3G networks in the world today, you'd have to connect the device to some kind of third-party broadcasting node, because nearly all 3G networks' connections to the web are via a single (or single block) of IP addresses, so all devices coming from the 3G network are effectively NATted. I guess you could audio stream, because Skype (sorta) works, but you'd probably need to write software - something like a bespoke encoder for Windows Media Services, which could connect to a WMS streaming server and do audio only. There's no way I could see the Hermes doing video, even with divine intervention!

http://www.comvu.com/
They are in the midst of updating their website.
This produces very so-so video, but does work.
Good luck

Many Thanx
armedmetallica said:
http://www.comvu.com/
They are in the midst of updating their website.
This produces very so-so video, but does work.
Good luck
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Many Thanx 'armedmetallica'
Comvu.com sounds interesting...
A Q: I understand that there's a software to install on PPC but how someone on a PC (on other end) watch the particular live stream from Comvu servers?
Thanx again pal.

DLNA Divx network streamer anyone?

I'm looking for the best Divx network streamer...
Needs to be able to talk to dlna devices...such as Homeserver Twonky and TVersity.
I think alot of us would enjoy being able to stream from our disk/server...and watch around the home...
Lobster works for music only...
anyone??? The Omnia kinds works..but then starts a hissy ***** fit and then asks for a decoder..

Since I gave up my N95 with a almost perfect UPnP-client (and server on the pc side) I was thinking of using the same on WinMobile, accessing my media servers around the house. Difficult, as you noted, most clients (Lobster, Rudeo) just support music access. I guess Lobster Clips never got off the ground. I still have to test Nero Showtime Mobile, claiming to be a client that can access other servers than just Neros. But even this one seems to have vanished from Neros homepage. But I have a copy, will test eventually. Any other leads welcome.
Edit: Nero is crap, slow and cannot access any of my servers. But look...what a nice UPnP bible we have in the Wiki here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=The UPnP Bible
Looks like until Core Player is coming out with UPnP support (announced for a long time), Conduits Pocket Player, now in Version 3.7, is the client of (only) choice:
http://dontknow.me/http://www.conduits.com/products/player/
Just not very nice that this free plugin needed to have the "Network" tab in Browse is not included in the main program, but can be found under plugins:
http://dontknow.me/http://www.conduits.com/products/player/plugins/gen_upnp.zip

It seems like it was hard to stream media 4 years ago. It was begining of DLNA.
And now there are a lot of application for these purposes: Samsung AllShare, ArkMC, Skifta, BubleUPnP!
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=dlna+&c=apps